Toxins, Stressors, Detoxification Programs

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Hey Bros and Sises,

 

I'm inviting members of this forum to visit a thread on

another forum, to read more about a topic of importance to

our community's health and wellness, natural hygienic

practise and philosophy:

 

" Toxins, Stressors and Detoxofication Programs. "

http://forums.about.com/innocuous/messages/?msg=106.1

 

 

We are providing resources and information re: a dissident

scientific and alternative health critique of the dominant,

conventional pharmaceutically-based medical model for the

alleged viral pathogenesis and progression of 'HIV=AIDS.'

Much of what the hundreds of AIDS Dissident Scientists are

saying, including Nobel Laureates and Members of the

National Academy of Sciences, is confirming Alternative

Medicines' long questioning of the virus/germ 'one-cause,

one-course/cure' drug-based model. This is uncomplementary

to the holistic or multi-factorial 'many-causes, many

course/cures' approach to health and wellness. Many often

disconnect the alternative theories of diagnosis from the

alternative therapies of treatment in what together comprise

the authentic philosophy and practise of the alternative

health care model.

 

Anyway, these Dissident Scientists and Alternative Medicine

Doctors, Consumers and Advocates-- myself being of the

latter catagory-- are dissenting from or at least raising

critical questions, failings and flaws in the 'HIV=AIDS'

theory. Many of these resources and information apply to or

have interlap with other related health issues such as those

faced with liver toxicity or 'hepatitis.'

 

Specifically, we know well the role of toxins and other

oxidative stressors which elevate cortisol levels we place

into or next to our bodies or allow into our lives. We are

not conspiratorialists or claiming that 'HIV' or 'AIDS' were

invented to kill minorities or any such thing, but that they

never really existed as accurate markers of health or

predictors of illnesss or wellness. 'HIV' and 'AIDS' are

constructs, myths really. Did you know that 85% of those

diagnosed with Hep C and over 90% of those diagnosed with

Hep B never develop chronic symptoms or clear 'it' from

their body naturally? Maybe we should be studying what they

are doing or not doing to detoxify their bodies.

 

The conflict between the virus/germ or 'one-cause, one-

course/cure' drug-based model and the holistic multi-

factorial, 'many-causes, many-courses/cures' model actually

predates the modern AIDS or Hepititis Dissident Scientific

era...

 

" Beauchamp and Pasteur: Beauchamp, a contemporary of

Pasteur's, differed with Pasteur on a number of theoretical

models. Whereas Pasteur felt that bacteria[ " bugs " ] were

the " all " (primary and sufficient cause) in illness or dis-

ease, Beauchamp felt that the inner terrain (biological or

human host, interior milieu) was far more important in

determining whether illness or dis-ease manifested or not. "

Although his theory of dis-ease was generally rejected in

favor of Pasteur's, it was later adopted by Alternative

Medicine.

 

As you might imagine, this is quite controversial and

Dissidents are called 'denialists' for being in denial of

the One, True Hypothesis.

 

There are many known *co-causes*[sometimes called co-factors

by the AIDS Apologists or Conventional Medicos, Pharmacos]

of aquiring immune deficiencies and all of the 29

official 'AIDS' defining conditions are previously known and

unrelated to each other or to a single syndrome sinkhole

catch-all CDC survielance classification.

 

All of these 29 'AIDS' defining conditions exist or occur in

persons testing 'HIV' antibody negative, yet are only

REDEFINED as 'AIDS' in persons testing 'HIV' antibody

positive. Further, there are over 60+ documented factors,

conditions that can cross-react to the socalled 'HIV'

specific proteins used on the Elisa and Western Blot 'HIV'

antibody tests, which are not actually specific and have

disclaimers on the test kit inserts stating " there is no

recognized standard for measuring HIV-1 or HIV-2 in human

blood. "

 

Toxins, Stressors and Detoxification Programs

http://forums.about.com/innocuous/messages/?msg=106.1

 

Yet antibodies are not always an indication of infection and

infact often they are seen as an indicator of an immune

response to foreign proteins, toxic exposure to the many

These non-specific antibodies can be one possible indicator

or marker of a stressed " immune system " or as alternative

medicine would see it, there is not one " immune system " but

many systems, organs interacting together. NDs, LAc, DCs

and alternative thinking MDs would therefore not be

recommending a cure-all for such a catch-all condition. And

before they could even prescribe any treatment, there would

need to be a proper diagnosis.

 

Hope this was not too technical, and if you want more

scientific and medical references or just to learn and/or

share your own practical advice on detoxification programs

like Whole Body Hyperthermia [steam/Sauna], HBOT or

Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy and other oxygen based programs

including componants of special detox diets, fasting,

juicing, cleanses, exersize, massage, chiropractic lymphatic

drainage, and supplements and advice in other health-style

modalities as a part of a detoxification program, then come

visit the thread, " TOXINS, STRESSORS AND DETOX PROGRAMS. "

 

 

 

Warmly,

 

Kelly

 

[ " ALEXANDE8X6 " on Delphi because I was banned on the sister

About.com AIDS/HIV forum under " KELLYJON1 " ]

 

 

 

 

QUESTION AUTHORITY...

INCLUDING THE 'AIDS' AND 'HEP' MEDICAL,

SCIENTIFIC 'AUTHORITIES'

 

 

 

HIV/AIDS Alternative Views

http://forums.about.com/innocuous

[Guest guest]

Has anyone got the link below to work? I registered

according to instructions, signed in, but cannot get to the link in

the message below.

 

Alobar

 

 

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" Kelly Jon Landis " <kjlandis

 

Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:30 PM

Toxins, Stressors, Detoxification Programs

 

 

> Hey Bros and Sises,

>

> I'm inviting members of this forum to visit a thread on

> another forum, to read more about a topic of importance to

> our community's health and wellness, natural hygienic

> practise and philosophy:

>

> " Toxins, Stressors and Detoxofication Programs. "

> http://forums.about.com/innocuous/messages/?msg=106.1

>

[Guest guest]

Gettingwell , " Alobar " <alobar@b...> wrote:

> Has anyone got the link below to work? I registered

> according to instructions, signed in, but cannot get to the link in

> the message below.

>

> Alobar

 

 

Hey Alobar,

 

Thanks for your interest. We would love to hear from any of you on

this forum interested in learning and sharing about detoxification. I

think you should be able to follow the other link at the bottom of my

original message to the forum itself:

 

HIV/AIDS Alternative Views

http://forums.about.com/innocuous

 

 

It may then prompt those who are not registered Delphi, About.com

users, but it is fast and free to set up an account. You don't have

to fill in all of the profile to set it up and start posting. Let me

know if you are still having any problems getting there.

 

 

 

> -

> " Kelly Jon Landis " <kjlandis@a...>

>

> Wednesday, April 02, 2003 7:30 PM

> Toxins, Stressors, Detoxification Programs

>

>

> > Hey Bros and Sises,

> >

> > I'm inviting members of this forum to visit a thread on

> > another forum, to read more about a topic of importance to

> > our community's health and wellness, natural hygienic

> > practise and philosophy:

> >

> > " Toxins, Stressors and Detoxofication Programs. "

> > http://forums.about.com/innocuous/messages/?msg=106.1

> >