Guest guest Posted July 7, 2002 Report Share Posted July 7, 2002 Eating raw eggs, or even undercooked eggs runs the risk of becoming infected with salmonella. http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/salment_g.htm How eggs become contaminated Unlike eggborne salmonellosis of past decades, the current epidemic is due to intact and disinfected grade A eggs. Salmonella enteritidis silently infects the ovaries of healthy appearing hens and contaminates the eggs before the shells are formed. Most types of Salmonella live in the intestinal tracts of animals and birds and are transmitted to humans by contaminated foods of animal origin. Stringent procedures for cleaning and inspecting eggs were implemented in the 1970s and have made salmonellosis caused by external fecal contamination of egg shells extremely rare. However, unlike eggborne salmonellosis of past decades, the current epidemic is due to intact and disinfected grade A eggs. The reason for this is that Salmonella enteritidis silently infects the ovaries of healthy appearing hens and contaminates the eggs before the shells are formed. Although most infected hens have been found in the northeastern United States, the infection also occurs in hens in other areas of the country. In the Northeast, approximately one in 10,000 eggs may be internally contaminated. In other parts of the United States, contaminated eggs appear less common. Only a small number of hens seem to be infected at any given time, and an infected hen can lay many normal eggs while only occasionally laying an egg contaminated with the Salmonella bacterium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2002 Report Share Posted July 7, 2002 Even the concept of raw eggs makes me sick. Nothing you or anyone else can say will ever change that. So don't try. That's a food for those who are disgusting enough to eat it, and i don't want anything to do with anything that icky. And don't tell me that you eat them, because i probably will not want to talk to you if you tell me that. Just keep that perversion to yourself, and away from decent people. I mean it. Raw eggs are awful. I don't want to talk about it any more, as it makes me want to puke. Really. At 01:03 PM 7/7/02 -0000, you wrote: >Doc, > >Dr. Mercola (http://www.mercola.com/2002/jul/6/biotin.htm) just came >out with a reference about raw eggs. In light of your recommendation >to eat raw eggs, can you comment on this? > >-------------- >By Hamid M. Said > >Biotin is an essential micronutrient for all mammals and is a member >of the B complex group of vitamins. Biotin was discovered in >nutritional experiments that revealed a factor in many foodstuffs >that was capable of curing the scaly dermatitis, hair loss, and >neurologic signs induced in rats fed dried egg whites. > >Avidin is a glycoprotein found in egg whites and binds biotin very >specifically and tightly. From an evolutionary standpoint, avidin >probably serves as a antibacterial in egg whites because it is >resistant to a broad range of bacterial proteases in both the free >and biotin-bound forms. > >Because it is resistant to digestive enzymes from the pancreas >dietary avidin binds to dietary biotin and prevents its absorption. >The normal bacteria of the large intestine synthesize biotin. Cooking >changes avidin and makes it susceptible to digestion and unable to >interfere with the intestinal absorption of biotin. > >The fact that we have a requirement for biotin has been most clearly >shown in 2 situations that result in biotin deficiency: > > 1) Prolonged consumption of raw egg whites and > > 2) IV nutrition without biotin supplementation in patients with >short- gut syndrome > > >Interestingly, the biotin requirements for normal persons and for >persons in special clinical circumstances are not known. Safe and >adequate doses have been suggested. > >American Journal Clinical Nutrition February 2002;75(2):179-80 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2002 Report Share Posted July 8, 2002 Doc, I wanted to commend you on writing that informative response on whether or not raw eggs should be eaten. Due to it's length, I didn't think it was necessary to copy it here, although I intend to copy it, print it out, and save it in case a patient of mine asks me that same question. Why anyone would question a food staple of many indigenous people for millions of years is beyond me. Many people throughout the world feed raw egg to babies as their first food (after breast milk) and the nourishment it offers is unsurpassed. Salmonella is only an issue for improperly handled commercial eggs. If a farmer is dilligent about keeping healthy chickens (raised in clean pens and given only organic feed) than the eggs produced will be completely free of pathogenic bacteria. I'd like to also mention that those with weak immune systems should be careful about eating raw foods as their digestive systems have been compromised. Again, Doc...bravo and kudos. In good health, Erica Sign up for SBC Dial - First Month Free http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 Dear Michael, If you are going through some kind of rough time or whatever. Or you just need someone to talk to - give me a call. Love, Doc Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D. 505-772-5889 herbal remedies, Michael Riversong <rivedu@e...> wrote: > I dunno what to say. I realize that back when i was a kid, when i got the > knowledge that raw eggs are so horrible, that there was no such thing as > organic eggs. I'm now fishing through my memory banks to figure out where > this might have come from. There are spotty memories of really creepy guys > in bars that my dad played in, who would have raw eggs in their beer. These > people were NASTY, and i'm sure they are all very dead now. > > So i will save your post and look it over again when i feel stronger. > > There are just a very few things that push my buttons big-time. And they > are odd things. One is men dressing up as women -- i am NOT a Benny Hill > fan. If i catch a guy in women's clothes, i want to kill him, literally -- > it is all i can do to get out of there FAST before someone gets hurt. > Fortunately here in Cheyenne, that's something you never see. > > And the raw eggs thing is another -- i hadn't thought about it in years. > It's not something i ever get confronted with these days -- but apparently > sometime in my childhood i WAS confronted with it in a very unpleasant manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 Thank you Erica, and I appreciate your supportive comments. I think one of the main problems is vested interest groups (such as the Pharmaceuticals, the Psychs, and the AMA), who specialize in throwing confusion into a young growing area which lacks an overall codification at this time. If you read such magazines as Time, Newsweek, The National Inquirer, The Sun, and just about any newspaper out there, it's almost enough to throw anyone into a panic with all the FALSE and misleading data strewn about. The News Media is rampant with bad information and downright lies. They specialize in Doom, Gloom, Sensationalism, and Chaos and government media sources are the worst. Look who they have as their "protector of the weak" and "saviour of the masses" = The FDA. Talk about placing a wolf among the sheep. I actually recommend to my patients that they stop reading these merchants of Chaos, and cancel their subscriptions to newspapers. It's amazing how their mental agitation calms right down after they do so. You can get more accurate data by researching for yourself on the internet or by phone. Remember libraries? ;o) Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - erica feldman herbal remedies Monday, July 08, 2002 6:55 AM [herbal remedies] Re: Raw eggs Doc,I wanted to commend you on writing that informative response on whether or not raw eggs should be eaten. Due to it's length, I didn't think it was necessary to copy it here, although I intend to copy it, print it out, and save it in case a patient of mine asks me that same question. Why anyone would question a food staple of many indigenous people for millions of years is beyond me. Many people throughout the world feed raw egg to babies as their first food (after breast milk) and the nourishment it offers is unsurpassed. Salmonella is only an issue for improperly handled commercial eggs. If a farmer is dilligent about keeping healthy chickens (raised in clean pens and given only organic feed) than the eggs produced will be completely free of pathogenic bacteria. I'd like to also mention that those with weak immune systems should be careful about eating raw foods as their digestive systems have been compromised.Again, Doc...bravo and kudos.In good health,Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 Hey Doc, You don't mean the "Federal Death Administration" do you? ) I agree whole heartedly with your assessment of our modern media. But let us not forget to turn off that dang T.unnel V.ision to truth in advertising. Always your servant in light, Don Eitner - Ian Shillington N.D. herbal remedies Monday, July 08, 2002 7:55 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Raw eggs Thank you Erica, and I appreciate your supportive comments. I think one of the main problems is vested interest groups (such as the Pharmaceuticals, the Psychs, and the AMA), who specialize in throwing confusion into a young growing area which lacks an overall codification at this time. If you read such magazines as Time, Newsweek, The National Inquirer, The Sun, and just about any newspaper out there, it's almost enough to throw anyone into a panic with all the FALSE and misleading data strewn about. The News Media is rampant with bad information and downright lies. They specialize in Doom, Gloom, Sensationalism, and Chaos and government media sources are the worst. Look who they have as their "protector of the weak" and "saviour of the masses" = The FDA. Talk about placing a wolf among the sheep. I actually recommend to my patients that they stop reading these merchants of Chaos, and cancel their subscriptions to newspapers. It's amazing how their mental agitation calms right down after they do so. You can get more accurate data by researching for yourself on the internet or by phone. Remember libraries? ;o) Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - erica feldman herbal remedies Monday, July 08, 2002 6:55 AM [herbal remedies] Re: Raw eggs Doc,I wanted to commend you on writing that informative response on whether or not raw eggs should be eaten. Due to it's length, I didn't think it was necessary to copy it here, although I intend to copy it, print it out, and save it in case a patient of mine asks me that same question. Why anyone would question a food staple of many indigenous people for millions of years is beyond me. Many people throughout the world feed raw egg to babies as their first food (after breast milk) and the nourishment it offers is unsurpassed. Salmonella is only an issue for improperly handled commercial eggs. If a farmer is dilligent about keeping healthy chickens (raised in clean pens and given only organic feed) than the eggs produced will be completely free of pathogenic bacteria. I'd like to also mention that those with weak immune systems should be careful about eating raw foods as their digestive systems have been compromised.Again, Doc...bravo and kudos.In good health,Erica Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 Don, you musta been sittin' behind my shoulder as I wrote that. LOL I'd just started a paragraph on the ole TV, and then decided to erase it as I didn't have time to get on that soap box ;o) I haven't watched a real TV program in over 16 years. Movies on a VCR once in a while = sure. TV - maybe for a second or two if I happen to be passing one in a friends house and it's on. My TV has a VCR connected to it and that's it. No cable. No Antenna. Just a VCR which I use mostly for educational purposes and a good movie once in a while. I don't eat garbage, why should I allow it in my mind??? Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Donald Eitner herbal remedies Monday, July 08, 2002 9:08 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Raw eggs Hey Doc, You don't mean the "Federal Death Administration" do you? ) I agree whole heartedly with your assessment of our modern media. But let us not forget to turn off that dang T.unnel V.ision to truth in advertising. Always your servant in light, Don Eitner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 Dear Sara, The "chances" are that the eggs are good. Some of the Supermarkets are getting on to the "organic" bandwagon, because they see the hand writing on the wall. However, I learned a long time ago not to take everything as it sometimes "appears" to be. There's a lot of cons out there. I'd call up the company (Eggland) and ask them if it would be OK for me to come out for a visit to check out their operation. If they say "NO' then I'd suspect them like a hidden plague. I'd then tell them that I write articles for a major publication (herbal remedies is a major publication isn't it ;o), and that if they don't let me come out to their operation, I'd just have to turn in a "negative" report as obviously they have something to hide. This could be fun ;o) If they say right up front, "Sure, c'mon out cause we'd love to show ya around", then it would be obvious to me that they are proud of their operation and are on the up and up. I find that most (if not all) organic growers are as proud as can be of their accomplishments. These guys will talk your ear off on why their stuff is the best. They'll spend hours and hours with you showing off their latest new-fangled gizmos which they invented to create a better product. These people are ethical and proud of it. The slime-balls will hem and haw, and try to pull a fast con over on you, and the last thing they'll do is invite you to come out and have a "lookysee". Try it. You'll have a ball doing so. You might have so much fun doing it, that you'll end up with a new profession LOL. I can see it now. Sara Thustra - the Ralph Nader of Organic Farming. ROTFLOL. Much love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Sara Thustra herbal remedies Monday, July 08, 2002 8:33 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Raw Eggs Hey Doc: Great answer; I can't wait to read thequote-authoritative-unquote study *g*, and I will do some more research onmy own.Specifically, I want to guinea-pig on myself, but I want to be safe, so Iwas wondering if you could answer one more question on the subject. Ithink I mentioned that I did finally find organic eggs and have beenpurchasing them exclusively since the second I saw them...but they're beingsold at Meijer's, which I trust about as much as I trust a turncoat CIAagent. The company is "eggland" and the container says "cagefree...certified organic". Do you think it's safe to try eating these raw?Thanks,ST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2003 Report Share Posted March 4, 2003 I still eat raw eggs... but just the yolk ~from what I have researched.... the whites have a glycoprotein that binds avadin thus creating biotin deficiency jen - " Lorenzo " <lorenzo1 Tuesday, March 04, 2003 1:46 PM Re: Digest Number 725 > Reply, > > I put lecethin, powdered multi vitamin formula, nutritional yeast, berries, > pineapple or papaya, other fruit, cottage cheese or yogurt and flaxseed oil, > ground flaxseed, turmeric, ginger, raw egg, and sometimes some raw carrot or > broccoli or red bell pepper or other fruit in may smoothie. > > I like to buy fruits and berries when they are at their prime of ripeness > and freeze them. > > I use a vita mix, so I can start with frozen in the winter. After the tough > or frozen stuff is ground up I run it on low speeds for the mixing of the > other stuff. > > Lorenzo > > > Message: 11 > Mon, 03 Mar 2003 18:58:18 -0800 > Kathy Dery <gfx > Re: Hmm, now who is it that eats raw eggs for breakfast? Was that > you or Lorenzo? > > I have raw eggs every am in smoothie. Is that ok? If I use egg > beaters instead, do I need to take Lecithin or anything? > k > On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 01:31 PM, Lorenzo wrote: > > > Hmm, now who is it that eats raw eggs for breakfast? Was that you or > > Lorenzo? > > > > I only started recently putting the raw eggs in a smoothie. > > > > I get mine from a small farmer. > > > > Lorenzo > > > > > > ______________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2003 Report Share Posted March 5, 2003 My understanding is that the protein in the egg white if eaten for a long time can produce a biotin deficiency. However the yolk of the egg contains a large amount of biotin. Eating the whole egg, yolk and white, will still provide some biotin. This is according to the information on Dr. Mercola's site. Eating the yolk only may be better but I do not bother seperating it. What can I say, I'm lazy. I use the whole egg. Raw of course. All the best, Jim Gettingwell , " Jenny Evely " <je@h...> wrote: > I still eat raw eggs... but just the yolk > ~from what I have researched.... the whites have a glycoprotein that binds > avadin thus creating biotin deficiency > > > jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2003 Report Share Posted March 5, 2003 oh.... I thought Mercola's stance was not to eat it he must have changed his view since last I read his site - " thmicom " <clements Tuesday, March 04, 2003 8:42 PM Re: raw eggs > > My understanding is that the protein in the egg white if eaten for a > long time can produce a biotin deficiency. However the yolk of the > egg contains a large amount of biotin. Eating the whole egg, yolk > and white, will still provide some biotin. This is according to the > information on Dr. Mercola's site. Eating the yolk only may be > better but I do not bother seperating it. What can I say, I'm lazy. > I use the whole egg. Raw of course. > > All the best, > Jim > > Gettingwell , " Jenny Evely " <je@h...> wrote: > > I still eat raw eggs... but just the yolk > > ~from what I have researched.... the whites have a glycoprotein > that binds > > avadin thus creating biotin deficiency > > > > > > jen > > > > > Getting well is done one step at a time, day by day, building health and well being. > > list or archives: Gettingwell > > ........ Gettingwell- > post............. Gettingwell > digest form...... Gettingwell-digest > individual emails Gettingwell-normal > no email......... Gettingwell-nomail > moderator ....... Gettingwell-owner > ...... Gettingwell- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2003 Report Share Posted March 5, 2003 Jim, Any idea how safe it is to eat 2 raw eggs per day? K On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 10:43 PM, Jenny Evely wrote: > >> >> My understanding is that the protein in the egg white if eaten for a >> long time can produce a biotin deficiency. However the yolk of the >> egg contains a large amount of biotin. Eating the whole egg, yolk >> and white, will still provide some biotin. This is according to the >> information on Dr. Mercola's site. Eating the yolk only may be >> better but I do not bother seperating it. What can I say, I'm lazy. >> I use the whole egg. Raw of course. >> >> All the best, >> Jim >> >> Kathy Dery http://www.kstars.com Chance favors the prepared mind. - Louis Pasteur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 Herru, It should be fine if you make sure these eggs are organic!! I certainly wouldn't try it with commercial eggs! I have a raw (organic) egg every day, and have had no problems. love, Lisa - Herru Suwandi herbal remedies Friday, September 05, 2003 4:49 AM [herbal remedies] Raw Eggs Dear All,I am working out regularly these days and my friend suggests me to dring a raw white eggs to get some additional protein to build mucles. Don't you think that raw eggs are not steril. There are some bacterias such as Salmonella things that made me think over and over again whether I should drink raw white eggs or not. I have no problem with smell or any characteristic of eggs :-)Regards,Herru----Original Message Follows---- > My parents made me drink a raw egg in orange juice when I was little, cause > my Dad though I was tooooooo skinny. To this day the smell of a raw egg can > make me GAG lol yuck_______________Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 Unless the shell is cracked and the membrane torn the inside of that egg is perfectly sterile and free from salmonella. You will have no problems eating them. Just make sure you only use organic eggs and fresh at that. Don Quai ---- herbal remedies 05. September 2003 08:24:17 AM herbal remedies [herbal remedies] Raw Eggs Dear All,I am working out regularly these days and my friend suggests me to dring a raw white eggs to get some additional protein to build mucles. Don't you think that raw eggs are not steril. There are some bacterias such as Salmonella things that made me think over and over again whether I should drink raw white eggs or not. I have no problem with smell or any characteristic of eggs :-)Regards,Herru----Original Message Follows----> My parents made me drink a raw egg in orange juice when I was little, cause> my Dad though I was tooooooo skinny. To this day the smell of a raw egg can> make me GAG lol yuck_______________Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2003 Report Share Posted September 5, 2003 You should get organic eggs....Herru Suwandi <herrusuwandi wrote: Dear All,I am working out regularly these days and my friend suggests me to dring a raw white eggs to get some additional protein to build mucles. Don't you think that raw eggs are not steril. There are some bacterias such as Salmonella things that made me think over and over again whether I should drink raw white eggs or not. I have no problem with smell or any characteristic of eggs :-)Regards,Herru----Original Message Follows----> My parents made me drink a raw egg in orange juice when I was little, cause> my Dad though I was tooooooo skinny. To this day the smell of a raw egg can> make me GAG lol yuck_______________Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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