Guest guest Posted October 3, 2001 Report Share Posted October 3, 2001 Todd.....please delete me from your list.......thanks! - Thursday, October 04, 2001 10:06 AM Digest Number 725 > Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education. > > > ------ > > There are 3 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: New Book/Wen bing > pemachophel2001 > 2. Re: New Book/Wen bing > pemachophel2001 > 3. Re: Proposition 65 > pemachophel2001 > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 1 > Thu, 04 Oct 2001 15:37:05 -0000 > pemachophel2001 > Re: New Book/Wen bing > > Alon, > > As a contributing editor to the Townsend Letter, I can tell you it is > their editorial position not to publish critical pieces (except of > standard Western medicine). When I tried to rebutt an article by > another TLDP contributor, I was told I should discuss my critcisms > with him personally but that TLDP was not interested in publishing my > response. I can also tell you as a publisher that the book reviews in > TLDP are often nothing more than infomercials. By citing TLDP, I think > you are actually supporting my position. TLDP is hardly a > professionally credible medical journal. They are a money-making > business and caveat emptor. > > So then, perhaps, the question is, " Why are you a contributing editor > for TLDP? " And when I read TLDP, I sometimes ask myself that question. > However, my main reason for contributing to TLDP is in order to > publish what I believe is a higher caliber of information, along with > the likes of other scholarly and credible TLDP authors such as Bob > Anderson. Frankly, I hope my articles counterbalance the infomercial > drek that another TLDP editor contributes on Chinese medicine. If TLDP > will not let me criticize this other contributor's stuff, then at > least I can publish materials of a different quality and caliber > (since the information I publish in TLDP is mostly taken directly from > Chinese medical journals). Hopefully, readers will decide for > themselves which information they prefer on Chinese medicine. > > Bob > > , <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > > Again, I think more than objectivity, disclosure > > is the critical issue. Since Jeff was entirely > > forthright in his presentation of his involvement > > I didn't imagine that there would be any issue > > about letting readers continue to know. > > >>>>I agree. When you read reviews in places such as the Townsend > letter you never see the information on conflict. > > Alon > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 2 > Thu, 04 Oct 2001 15:39:28 -0000 > pemachophel2001 > Re: New Book/Wen bing > > Alon, > > I was not criticizing what the original respondent was saying in his > discussion on this list. I think he did a nice job of plugging the > book while honestly disclosing his bias. What I was criticizing is > Ken's solicitation of a review for a scholarly journal by this same > person. These are two entirely different matters, at least to me. > > Bob > > , <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > > As editor of the book, is he not too close to be the > > reviewer? > > >>>It did not look like a review to me, more like a plug. And being > a plug he disclosed all that needs to be known. > > Alon > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > Message: 3 > Thu, 04 Oct 2001 15:48:49 -0000 > pemachophel2001 > Re: Proposition 65 > > > > Maybe someone has already said this on this list in the past, but, as > principal in a business which markets herbal extracts manufactured in > China, what I've been told by our suppliers is that the heavy metals > that are found in Chinese herbs and products made from these herbs are > in the soil. They are residues from past use of fertilizers, > herbicides, and pesticides which are taken up by the plants grown in > these soils. All the machiney which comes in contact with any of our > products during their manufacture is welded stainless steel, not > soldered copper. > > Bob > > , @i... wrote: > > , " Marian Blum " <marianb@r...> wrote: > > I haven't been able to determine > > > whether those products, simply by virtue of their being made into > pills in > > > China, are more likely to be more contaminated than those > manufactured here. > > > > I think it is the machinery that is implicated in the contamination > of > > herbs made in china. Machinery is often used that has made with > lead > > components that contact the herbs. Plus, some companies may have > used > > small amounts of heavy metals as " medicinals " in the past (if not > > currently) and these may contaminate other products made on the same > > machinery. > > > > . " > > > > > > I don't understand your statement below, that " Companies > like KPC and > > > springwind already comply by testing for heavy metals and AA. " I > thought > > > compliance meant that if your products are below the stated > levels, no > > > problem > > > > All KPC herbs are tested for heavy metals and AA. I don't use raw > > herbs in my practice. > > > > > > > " I do not think it will affect raw herbs and powders > from > > > reputable companies. " I'm interested in why you think that's the > case. > > > Mayway was using the Australian standards which are lower than USP > so I > > > think they are certainly reputable in this area. I have received > some raw > > > herbs from them with that 'cancer' label on them, too. > > > > I think eventually all the herbs will be tested by certain companies > > and economic pressures will force others to conform or they will > lose > > business. I certainly would not use any herbs that came with such a > > label, because I think it would be aliability for me if ANYTHING, no > > matter how tenuously connected resulted to a patient uder my care > who > > was taking such herbs. > > > > > > > ______________________ > ______________________ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2003 Report Share Posted January 6, 2003 Hello Victoria and to all in the list, My name is Rolando and i´m a Chilean student of chinese medicine. I would like to know if you have any information of the use of aromas related to the 5 elements. Thank you very much, Rolando Rojas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2003 Report Share Posted January 6, 2003 Are you talking about aroma therapy? There are different aromas relating to the five elements, they smell differently from one another. If you are treating by use of aroma, you are talking about a simple yet complex thing. The different herbs and sytems for treatment have different smells. One could say that the hours of the day have different smells. Trying to put all of the different aspects of a patients treatment program together including smells, I suppose, are integral to correct treatment. rrrojas wrote:Hello Victoria and to all in the list, My name is Rolando and i´m a Chilean student of chinese medicine. I would like to know if you have any information of the use of aromas related to the 5 elements. Thank you very much, Rolando Rojas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2003 Report Share Posted January 6, 2003 >If you are treating by use of aroma, you are talking about a simple yet complex thing. The different herbs and sytems for treatment have different smells. One could say that the hours of the day have different smells. Trying to put all of the different aspects of a patients treatment program together including smells, I suppose, are integral to correct treatment. Could you go into more detail and give examples, please. There is a little bit about aromas or smells in the message base, but I suspect you could add to the knowledge greatly. Thanks, Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2003 Report Share Posted January 7, 2003 --- rrrojas wrote: > Rolando and i´m a Chilean > student of chinese medicine. I would like to know if > you have any > information of the use of aromas related to the 5 > elements. Thank you very > much, > Rolando Rojas Hola Cumpa!! And are you learning in Chile??! I have no idea if this answer will help you - one thing tries to do is acknowledge that all things are whole, or connected. Therefore, if we take this question of aroma " therapy " and we see where it might be practiced in the TCM system, then we can have one answer right away: Smell and flavour are intimately connected, and as we know from having worked with the raw herbs, all the herbs have very distinct smells - smells which happen to fit exactly with their energy, taste, channel tropism, colour etc. The smells are ready made for us, and let us not forget that the herbs can have the intense flavour that they have only through a very tight partnership with the sense of smell. The aroma " therapy " is " built in " . Secondly - the use of aromas alone - is something I have heard of and have training in, but only in terms of using orifice-opening herbs to rouse people from unconscious states. <shrug> Which I think is fairly standard. It seems to me that aromas generally fall into the category of yang/easily dispersed/primarily affecting qi. This might mean that their application is limited, i.e. how does one tonify kidney yin with an aroma? The traditional method seems to be to use yin to tonify yin and yang to tonify yang. This idea seems to be supported by the literature that I've come across on the subject, which is that internally, smells can be used to: open the orifices clear the mind/spirit regulate and diffuse the upper burner regulate the qi of the middle burner resolve accumulations in the middle burner (and similar things) and that, externally (topically), " smells " (oils) can be used to: disperse blood and qi swellings dispel dampness remove obstruction from the channels disinhibit the joints (etc) So those are my unsupported opinions. Anyone else? See you, Hugo Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2003 Report Share Posted January 7, 2003 I am refreshing my ability with the help of your site. I have studied about things relating to chinese Medicine, and believe that the smell of a homecooked meal or a touch by someone who cares are integral to good health. I am interested in studying a couple of things. One is a relatively unknown psychological affliction relating to separation from siblings as twins or triplets at birth or soon after, I am wondering, can the ancestral points be used to help? I am also interested in the recent bad infection that seems to come from nowhere and grows fast and rots the flesh. I am thinking that the ways we are weakening our immune systems by pollution and bad food are a factor. This infection, which seems to grow after a fever and is shown to have red streaks visible as the traveling infection may be related to the also recent outbreak of the salmonella disease. Salmonella also grows quickly. The rotting flesh disease is obviously a moist heat by my guess, though I have never seen it. I am also interested in how meridians relate to auras visible by the latest machines. As far as smells go I will try to think about it. I bet a person could cure a moist heat problem by smelling the burning moxa at the right time. Thank you for your interest. Hoang Ho " victoria_dragon <victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon wrote:>If you are treating by use of aroma, you are talking about a simple yet complex thing. The different herbs and sytems for treatment have different smells. One could say that the hours of the day have different smells. Trying to put all of the different aspects of a patients treatment program together including smells, I suppose, are integral to correct treatment. Could you go into more detail and give examples, please. There is a little bit about aromas or smells in the message base, but I suspect you could add to the knowledge greatly. Thanks, Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2003 Report Share Posted January 7, 2003 Chinese Traditional Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor> wrote: > yin and yang to tonify yang. This idea seems to be > supported by the literature that I've come across on > the subject, which is that internally, smells can be > used to: > open the orifices > clear the mind/spirit > regulate and diffuse the upper burner > regulate the qi of the middle burner > resolve accumulations in the middle burner > (and similar things) > and that, externally (topically), " smells " (oils) can > be used to: > disperse blood and qi swellings > dispel dampness > remove obstruction from the channels > disinhibit the joints > (etc) Thanks, Hugo. There is another use. Somewhere in the message base there is an article about the use of burning an herb in order to prevent infection. If memory serves, some clinics are experimenting with burning the herb in waiting rooms in order to cut down on the number of infections caught in the waiting room. Sorry, don't remember which herb right off hand. A note to those new to the list. The first posts in the message base were written to explain the basics of TCM to those new to the subjects. But some students also use them for review. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2003 Report Share Posted January 8, 2003 .... <smelly stuff snipped> > Thanks, Hugo. You're welcome. > There is another use. Somewhere in the message base > there is an > article about the use of burning an herb in order to > prevent > infection. Hmm. Interesting. I'll try giving that a search. Thanks, HUgo Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2003 Report Share Posted March 4, 2003 Reply, I put lecethin, powdered multi vitamin formula, nutritional yeast, berries, pineapple or papaya, other fruit, cottage cheese or yogurt and flaxseed oil, ground flaxseed, turmeric, ginger, raw egg, and sometimes some raw carrot or broccoli or red bell pepper or other fruit in may smoothie. I like to buy fruits and berries when they are at their prime of ripeness and freeze them. I use a vita mix, so I can start with frozen in the winter. After the tough or frozen stuff is ground up I run it on low speeds for the mixing of the other stuff. Lorenzo Message: 11 Mon, 03 Mar 2003 18:58:18 -0800 Kathy Dery <gfx Re: Hmm, now who is it that eats raw eggs for breakfast? Was that you or Lorenzo? I have raw eggs every am in smoothie. Is that ok? If I use egg beaters instead, do I need to take Lecithin or anything? k On Monday, March 3, 2003, at 01:31 PM, Lorenzo wrote: > Hmm, now who is it that eats raw eggs for breakfast? Was that you or > Lorenzo? > > I only started recently putting the raw eggs in a smoothie. > > I get mine from a small farmer. > > Lorenzo > ______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2003 Report Share Posted March 5, 2003 Thanks Lorenzo. How about Cayenne and Garlic? Bad idea? And why raw egg if you have protein, and Lecithin? Is Brewers Yeast better than Nutritional Teast? Thanks K On Tuesday, March 4, 2003, at 01:46 PM, Lorenzo wrote: > Reply, > > I put lecethin, powdered multi vitamin formula, nutritional yeast, > berries, > pineapple or papaya, other fruit, cottage cheese or yogurt and > flaxseed oil, > ground flaxseed, turmeric, ginger, raw egg, and sometimes some raw > carrot or Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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