RE: HELP assistance in finding a MD like Dr. Lev

[Guest guest]

Dr. Lev and group,

 

I have chronic health problems that are too overwhelming for me to address

and handle on my own without the assistance of a MD. I am attempting to

locate a doctor like Dr. Lev described him/herself to be in my geographical

area. At this point I don't know the appropriate questions I should ask when

selecting a MD or how to find one of this caliber. My geographical area is

Raleigh/Durhamn, North Carolina, USA. My exact zip code is 28356.

 

I am really trying hard to sort through the information available to me

concerning my health care via health care , public library, etc. I am

not of the sort mentioned in the group as unwilling to read information for

themselves or expecting a two line answer of a cure denoting a singular

homeopathic remedy to use with expectations of a cure within a few days.

 

The compounded health issues that I have as a result of mismanaged

pharmaceutical medications and the poisoning by the 'tainted' steroid

injection have left me with a lesser mental reasoning that I had before.

Concentration is difficult. Retaining information even more difficult.

 

I did not have this problem with mental functioning before the steroid

injection. The symptoms of the funny feeling in the base of my head became

worse after I stopped taking the 9 different prescribed medications 12 weeks

ago and I associated it with side effects of detoxing. Now I'm not so sure.

In addition I've been diagnosed with tortuous blood vessels to both eyes.

However, the Neuro-Opthamolgist assures me that this is no problem and even

though I may have the same blood vessels on the brain, she sees no concern

that the tortuous blood vessels are a health threat. She could not say if

the tortuous blood vessels are a result of the 'tainted shot.' These

symptoms are just a drop in the bucket of the whole picture.

 

This article explains a little about the 'tainted' steroid injection I speak

of. <A HREF= " http://www.injurync.com/methylprednisolone.htm " >Steroid Pain

Injection Contaminated with Mold Cases of Meningitis and

Death Associated with Methylprednisolone Articles</A>

 

Please understand that I'm not requesting a diagnosis or method of quick

cure. I need assistance on how I find a MD as Dr. Lev. I need a referred

source similar to Getting Your Health Care Under Control for Dummies 101, if

there is such a source. I am attempting to educate myself more on Natural

Health Care. I joined this egroup as a means to help educate myself and have

been lurking for a few weeks hoping to gleam some sort of direction and/or

answers. I'll be honest. The more I read the more confused I become and the

more questions I have. I simply have too many problems to address in a

simple format at this time.

 

This is what happened with my family care provider that I have been seeing

for 20+ years. Long story short. Because of a prolonged illness and being

treated by 3 different Specialist (OBGY, Spine Specialist and Allergist) I

scheduled an appointment with my Primary Care Provider. I had a gut feeling

the medications in themselves were contributing to my illness. My visit was

a joke. I'll not tell a story that you've heard a hundred versions of. It's

what happened 2 weeks after this visit I will tell you about. I received a

certified letter in the mail informing me that the steroid shots I received

were tainted and alerted me to health threats resulting from the shots. The

letter instructed me to call my Primary Care Provider. I called and left the

message for a call back. I got the call back and when I preceded to tell the

doctor about this letter I received and the tainted steroid shot and that it

may be a clue as to my prolonged illness of 7 months plus, she said and I

quote:

" Why are you calling me? Don't you think you should call the people

who gave you the shot? "

Needless to say, I literally broke at this point. I muttered something on

the phone to this doctor through tears and shock about her lack of concern

and health care and hung up the phone. I have not heard from or talked to

this person since then. That was the ending of my health care provider and

the beginning of my search for better health that I can take control of.

 

So, bottom line. I'm stuck in a rut. I have terminated my health care from

the medical professionals that have helped me get to this point. I call them

pharmaceutical lackeys because they will not take even a minute to discuss

alternative health care and have the opinion of it's their way of pills or no

way. When I asked my doctor on the above mentioned visit about changing my

hormone therapy to a natural herbal therapy she replied by saying something

on the order of no, let's not mess with that. We don't want to add to the

Premarin law suit scare. I wasn't even aware of a law suit pertaining to

Premarin.

 

I need the guidance of a MD as Dr. Lev. I don't know how to find one in my

area that has my natural health care at interest. Can anyone help me?

 

Sick and confused in North Carolina,

Dee Brown

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

>

UM SEEMS TO ME THAT IVE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE SAME THING NO ONE

WANTS TO HELP YA NO DR AT ALL I WENT TO MANY AND I GET THE SAME OLD

RUN AROUND TAKE THESE PILLS I SAID IM LOOSING WEIGHT AND EATIN THEY

SAID OK DR SAID YOUR HEADACHES WILL GO AWAY WHEN U GET OLDER CAN I

HAVE AN ALLERGY TEST NO. CAN I HAVE AN MRI NO THAT WONT SHOW ANYTHING

TAKE PILLS TAKE PILLS THATS ALL THEY WANT U TO DO I GOT OFF ALL MY

PILLS I FEEL TERRIABLE NOT BECAUSE OF THE PILLS BUT I GOT ALOT ALOS

IBS FIBROMYALGIA WHICH WHEN U HAVE THAT U HAVE IT ALLLLLL... NO ONE

HELPED ME AND I DONT THINK THEY EVER WILL OR WANT TO DEBBIE FROM PA

GO IN IN SHORTS AND DR SEES ALL MY BLACK AND BLUE MARKS SAYS U BUMP

YOUR SELF ALOT I SAID NO I HAVE EM ALL THE TIME DINT DO ANYTHING

ABOUT IT SOME ON HAS TO DO SOMETHING SOON!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/25/2003 5:41:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,

califpacific writes:

 

 

> . Don't expect someone here to heal you either. If you

> feel that you need a physician, I do reccomend that you get an

> Orthomolecular or a Naturopath one. Most of us would like to find one

> also.

>

 

Frank,

 

You do go on about things that are definitely misconstrued on your part.

First you invite us to study natural health, then you slam someone when they

don't study fast enough and ask for a little help.

 

Please dear group forgive me for not being politically correct on using the

terms doctor instead of physician or that I don't use the term Orthomolecular

or Naturopath in my inquiries although that IS the area of my interest.

 

Forgive me group for being a novice or beginner and not getting my reading

done fast enough or stumbling through the files.

 

Forgive me group for wasting your valuable time by asking something or

responding to a posting made by someone else. Looks like I'm damned if I do

and I'm damned if I don't on how I make an inquiry or don't answer a question

posted. I didn't realize a college degree was required.

 

As to the ones who answered and gave me guidance to locate an Orthomolecular

or a Naturopath either by posting via the group or by posting to me

personally, I thank you greatly. Your kindness and helpfulness was most

welcome. I wish the same returned to you.

 

My apologies for causing such comments to be made against Dr. Lev or anyone

else. I think we are mature enough that if we did get involved a physician

of a type that wanted to push their drugs on us, we know now enough to say NO

or we wouldn't be here.

 

Respectfully,

Dee

 

PS spelling of reccommend is recommend

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Group,

 

To the ladies looking for a good doctor. We are too. But,we are here

because they don't make them.

 

Or they only make them in very small quatities.

 

This list is about getting rid of the allopathic medical model

because it won't cure you and will likely damage you, or possibly

kill you.

 

The list centers around the concept that almost all pharmacuetical

medicines are commecial toxic substances that are designed and sold

as a commercial enterprise with profit in mind and not healing, that

usually only suppress symptoms. They do not cure or correct the

problem.

 

They are of themselves toxic poisons which will debilitate, damage,

and in most cases will ruin your health further.

 

Is there a place for this type (allopathic) of treatment? Yes,

obviously, but a very small fraction of what is practiced today as

modern medicine. There is no shortage of that type of medicine. What

there isn't is widespread information about using natural, non toxic

methods to really heal and not just suppress some symptoms.

 

I realize that what I have said probably sounds somewhat crazy to you

at this point. I invite you to start a self education on health and

medicine. Simply asking questions on this list will not be sufficient

to do that. You will have to read until you uderstand what the whole

thinking, theory, and process is about.

 

We have a large links section or just start reading all of the back

messages going backwards.

 

If you are seriously looking for a doctor to somehow give you a

medicine to make you " well " . you are probably on the wrong list.

 

This list is about NOT taking pharmacuetical medicine. That is how

many in this group wound up with the problems that they have.

 

That goes for you too Doctor Lev. We have other doctors in this

group. We also have Naturopaths, Traditional Chinese Medics,

Accupuncturists, chemists, nurses, pharmacists, etc., etc., etc., The

fact of being a doctor is not much of a plus in this group. In fact

it would make me look upon that person with a lot of suspicion.

 

Hell, if I wanted to talk to a doctor, they are a dime a dozen in my

city. And most of them daily damage their patients with impunity.

 

So, if you want to stay and learn, whether you are a doctor or just a

victum of the health sytem, fine. But if your purpose is to promote

allopathic medicine, do it somewhere else. There is almost NO

discussion of the benefits of drugs allowed on this list. The world

is full of that junk. That is why we are here and not in some

doctors office.

 

I can almost hear it now from some of the new people here. " But how

will we ever get well. What I have is serious. "

 

There are people on this list who are dealing with cancer, serious

heart disease, autism, arthritis, immune disease, etc. Not everyone

here is dealing with trivial ailments. To us this is very serious

business.

 

Am I going to heal you? Is someone in this group going to heal you?

NO, but you can learn what health and healing is really about and

learn your own body and it's problems and learn what it needs to heal

itself. If you do that, you can then move towards health and know

more so that you can hopefully protect yourselves from being damaged

further by the allopathic medical community.

 

People have to somewhat choose between a course of allopathic

treatment or natural healing. You usually cannot heal a damaged body

with more toxic chemicals. If you think that you can, in most cases

you are fooling yourself.

 

As for my experience with the integrative approach to medicine, it

seemed that the two approaches were not that compatible. The ones

that I have met, really were mainly giving lip service to alternate

madicine because they know that is what people want, and that will

attract patients. But they treat mainly with allopathic drugs which

eventually makes the patient sick, so they then get a long term

patient/customer.

 

So to you Lev or any other doctors here, if you came to try and

impress us or tout your drugs. Forget it, just go away. You are very

definately in the wrong place. If you are here to explore the fields

of natural healing with the rest of us, stay and be welcome.

 

I don't say that because, I feel competent or capable enough to

decide for others, or enough to try and teach anyone what they should

believe. I cannot diagnose or prescribe, and neither can anyone else

on this list. That is not what this list is all about. This list is

about looking for a different alternative.

 

But it is absolutely NOT about the benefits of allopathic medicne.

Period.

 

Each of us has to decide what is right for ourselves. That is our

right and duty. We are here to learn about natural healing becasue we

are looking for something other than the usual drug driven allopathic

mainstream model.

 

So, stay and read, or don't read, decide to take drugs, don't take

drugs. It is up to each and every one of us. But what you put in to

reading and understanding will benefit you and only you. If you don't

want to put any effort into it, only you are the only who will lose.

 

But, don't come to the group and expect to swap drug information or

what allopathic treatment in your opinion is the best. Go to one of

those groups. Don't expect someone here to heal you either. If you

feel that you need a physician, I do reccomend that you get an

Orthomolecular or a Naturopath one. Most of us would like to find one

also.

 

If you choose to learn there are many resources to help you. We have

11,000+ messages to read. We have an extensive links section to

explore. We have a few files, and we have posting to the group to ask

for information.

 

respectfully,

 

Frank

[Guest guest]

-

<califpacific

 

Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:38 PM

Re: HELP assistance in finding a MD like Dr.

Lev

 

 

> Dear Group,

>

> To the ladies looking for a good doctor. We are too. But,we are

here

> because they don't make them.

>

> Or they only make them in very small quatities.

 

<snip>

 

I think Frank & I have very similar views on allopathic

medicine. I have to really bite my tongue whenever someone I know

talks about being on meds or going to a doctor for some illness or

other.

 

I accept that going to a " doctor " is everyone's choice, but

it strikes me with the same sinking feeling in my gut as I had when

my Friend Sharon voluntarily underwent chemo for leukemia. Sharon is

dead now. I knew all along she would die. Sharon knew she was gonna

die. She died painfully. Sharon went to the docs anyway. But this

was 15 years ago.

 

Back in the days before the internet, there was damn little

anyone could do to find out information on healing, and the " doctors "

had a strong monopoly. But today, although the " doctors " are

struggling hard to maintain their monopoly, there is tons more

information available on the web. One can become a researcher & a

health specialist. Surely one has time to save one's own life,

doesn't one?!? Everyone makes time to breathe, to eat, to sleep, and

to excrete. It is my firm belief that learning to be one's own health

practitioner is just as basic a need as the other functions outlined

above.

 

To make an analogy, going to an allopath for treatment of a " disease "

or " condition " seems to me like unto turning oneself over to the

Inquisition because one is plagued by " demons " . Turning oneself over

to either allopaths or Inquisitors is a decision with ultimately

fatal consequences. Both " doctors " and inquisitors will do things

which torment the body (supposedly for one's own ultimate good). Both

will take all one's money away in the process. Both will cause one's

family to witness the suffering. And both will prolong the suffering

as long as possible before allowing one to die.

 

Alobar

[Guest guest]

I mostly agree with the negativity expressed here against allopathic doctors,

and I do not accept treatment options--esp. prescription drugs--from them.

However, I do continue to pay for my health coverage (albeit with grumbling at

the high amounts) because I will ocassionally use my doctor to 1) ask for tests

(usually nothing more than blood work) to reassure me that the alternative

approaches I'm using are solving problems I have no other way of tracking (e.g.

a very elevated total bili reading) 2) to ask for a diagnosis if I'm uncertain

about a given problem and 3) --and this is the real reason I cough up money for

the insurance--to cover me in the case of an major accident (auto or otherwise)

that necessitates hospitalisation for " repair " kinds of intervention.

 

Claire

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Dee and Others,

 

If you were taking 9 medications, you may have received damage from

more than the suspected tainted one, as most can be toxic.

 

Polypharmacy is a very dangerous practice. There are probably many

people here who have received something similar, although with

differing degrees of severity.

 

Or in what manner that you discontinued them may have also played a

part. Some drugs you have to slowly wean yourself off from, over a

fairly long period of time, to give your body a chance to readjust.

Coming off some medicines too fast can cause damage.

 

If you want to use natural means, it sounds like that you may have to

deal with your original complaints and the damage caused by the drugs

also.

 

Most medicines will deplete your nutritonal reserves, which also

could have caused damage.

 

It would be very, very hard to ever determine what caused what, after

the fact, when there are so many variables involved.

 

The important thing is to get a valid assessment, of your current

situation, and hopefully know what to do, to proceed to health.

 

Testing by the standard allopathic or alternate means is not easy

but usually helpfull.

 

Even if you do not know all of what is wrong, and in reality, most

people don't, no matter what method of treatment. The body knows what

is going on and tries to achieve a balance with all of it's systems

and heal itself, if it has ALL of the necessary input of substances

to heal.

 

Your nutrition will need to be enough to maintain health and also

enough to have some left over to heal the damage that you have

already sustained.

 

The amount of nutrients to heal is in direct proportion to the amount

of illness or damage. For people who are ill it is usually much more

needed than that needed just to maintain good health in a relatively

healthy person.

 

Although I know nothing of your situation, for symtom relief,

nutrients and herbs are usually supportive and promote healing also.

Symptoms and the real problems causing the symptoms are 2 very

different things in natural healing. Many people because they are

used to the allopathic model try to only treat the symptom rather

than the whole body and it's main health problems.

 

Being given one drug, on top of another, on top of another, is the

usual course of events in todays medical practice. Many people are

being damaged daily in this manner. The more damage, the more drugs

they are then given. The reason for this, is that they don't have

anything else to offer. It causes a spiral of damage and destruction

in a worsening situation which leads to chronic illness, constantly

increasing damage, and death.

 

Please read up on all of your conditions and general healing

nutritional protocols. If you have questions or need help. please ask

with a post to the group.

 

For a good place to start. you might try our links page and in

particlar the doctoryourself.com website. It is an education in

itself. All of those links there were picked for the most part, the

good information that they contain.

 

If you would like some suggestions on books to read about general

healing or specifics, please ask.

 

And please ask for information from the group. Please understand that

this is the internet and a sustantial portion of the information may

not be accurate or usefull. People try and help. but you will get

answers from people of many different levels of understanding and

opinion. In my opinion a lot of them are not the best course, but I

only have to decide for myself.

 

To be effective, you will have to educate your self to the point

where you will be able to discern what is the wheat and what is the

chaff, so please take any advice or information accordingly with that

in mind. You must take control of your health and your own treatment

whether using natural means or any other.

 

I suggest that you do not take anyone's advice (including myself)

here, and act on it without researching it and be assured that you

think it is the correct course for you, based upon what you

researched and choose, not because someone recommended it. Whatever

you get in the way of information please look at it as possible

suggestions only and nothing more.

 

Good luck,

 

Frank

 

 

 

Gettingwell , Browngoldpanners@a... wrote:

> Dr. Lev and group,

>

> I have chronic health problems that are too overwhelming for me to

address

> and handle on my own without the assistance of a MD. I am

attempting to

> locate a doctor like Dr. Lev described him/herself to be in my

geographical

> area. At this point I don't know the appropriate questions I

should ask when

> selecting a MD or how to find one of this caliber. My geographical

area is

> Raleigh/Durhamn, North Carolina, USA. My exact zip code is 28356.

>

> I am really trying hard to sort through the information available

to me

> concerning my health care via health care , public library,

etc. I am

> not of the sort mentioned in the group as unwilling to read

information for

> themselves or expecting a two line answer of a cure denoting a

singular

> homeopathic remedy to use with expectations of a cure within a few

days.

>

> The compounded health issues that I have as a result of mismanaged

> pharmaceutical medications and the poisoning by the 'tainted'

steroid

> injection have left me with a lesser mental reasoning that I had

before.

> Concentration is difficult. Retaining information even more

difficult.

>

> I did not have this problem with mental functioning before the

steroid

> injection. The symptoms of the funny feeling in the base of my

head became

> worse after I stopped taking the 9 different prescribed medications

12 weeks

> ago and I associated it with side effects of detoxing. Now I'm not

so sure.

> In addition I've been diagnosed with tortuous blood vessels to both

eyes.

> However, the Neuro-Opthamolgist assures me that this is no problem

and even

> though I may have the same blood vessels on the brain, she sees no

concern

> that the tortuous blood vessels are a health threat. She could not

say if

> the tortuous blood vessels are a result of the 'tainted shot.'

These

> symptoms are just a drop in the bucket of the whole picture.

>

> This article explains a little about the 'tainted' steroid

injection I speak

> of. <A

HREF= " http://www.injurync.com/methylprednisolone.htm " >Steroid Pain

Injection Contaminated with Mold Cases of Meningitis and

> Death Associated with Methylprednisolone Articles</A>

>

> Please understand that I'm not requesting a diagnosis or method of

quick

> cure. I need assistance on how I find a MD as Dr. Lev. I need a

referred

> source similar to Getting Your Health Care Under Control for

Dummies 101, if

> there is such a source. I am attempting to educate myself more on

Natural

> Health Care. I joined this egroup as a means to help educate

myself and have

> been lurking for a few weeks hoping to gleam some sort of direction

and/or

> answers. I'll be honest. The more I read the more confused I

become and the

> more questions I have. I simply have too many problems to address

in a

> simple format at this time.

>

> This is what happened with my family care provider that I have been

seeing

> for 20+ years. Long story short. Because of a prolonged illness

and being

> treated by 3 different Specialist (OBGY, Spine Specialist and

Allergist) I

> scheduled an appointment with my Primary Care Provider. I had a

gut feeling

> the medications in themselves were contributing to my illness. My

visit was

> a joke. I'll not tell a story that you've heard a hundred versions

of. It's

> what happened 2 weeks after this visit I will tell you about. I

received a

> certified letter in the mail informing me that the steroid shots I

received

> were tainted and alerted me to health threats resulting from the

shots. The

> letter instructed me to call my Primary Care Provider. I called

and left the

> message for a call back. I got the call back and when I preceded

to tell the

> doctor about this letter I received and the tainted steroid shot

and that it

> may be a clue as to my prolonged illness of 7 months plus, she said

and I

> quote:

> " Why are you calling me? Don't you think you should call

the people

> who gave you the shot? "

> Needless to say, I literally broke at this point. I muttered

something on

> the phone to this doctor through tears and shock about her lack of

concern

> and health care and hung up the phone. I have not heard from or

talked to

> this person since then. That was the ending of my health care

provider and

> the beginning of my search for better health that I can take

control of.

>

> So, bottom line. I'm stuck in a rut. I have terminated my health

care from

> the medical professionals that have helped me get to this point. I

call them

> pharmaceutical lackeys because they will not take even a minute to

discuss

> alternative health care and have the opinion of it's their way of

pills or no

> way. When I asked my doctor on the above mentioned visit about

changing my

> hormone therapy to a natural herbal therapy she replied by saying

something

> on the order of no, let's not mess with that. We don't want to add

to the

> Premarin law suit scare. I wasn't even aware of a law suit

pertaining to

> Premarin.

>

> I need the guidance of a MD as Dr. Lev. I don't know how to find

one in my

> area that has my natural health care at interest. Can anyone help

me?

>

> Sick and confused in North Carolina,

> Dee Brown

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello!

I recently moved to the Raleigh, Nc area. There is a weekly newspaper

called : " The Independent " that has classifieds in the back.They list

many alternative modalities of treatment. Here is a name and number

that you may call for particulars.

Integrative Health Care

James R. Dykes M.D.

Helen W.Yang M.D.

919-286-7755

Also:

Academy Center

3001 Academy Road

Wyler Hecht ND, Lac

919-403-8600

Also :

Integrative Physicians PC

same address and phone number.

There seems to be more in Durham than Raleigh.

You may call them and ask more about their practices.I am not

personally recommending anyone because I have not seen any one of

them personnaly.

You may also have to pay out of pocket.Some insurances will reimburse

you and others may not do so.That is one unfortunate aspect of

alternative or integrative therapy. It can be costly and although

well worth it there may be people out there who can not afford such

high costs.I have worked with some naturopaths in the Rochester, Ny

area that were very reasonably priced and /or worked with people on

an individual basis.I thank God for them.But I have noticed " down

here " in the South they are charging up to 350.00- 400.00 for the

fist visit. The first visit may be very comprehensive as well as

lasting 1-2 hours but that amount of money is a bite for most people.

I wish you well.Please pick up an " Independent " which may give you

more options.

Namaste

Mary Jo:)

[Guest guest]

Hello Clare,

I think allopathic doctors are fairly efficient

when it comes to acute emergencies. They are the best

when it comes to broken bones, and emergency repairs

when there is blood loss etc.They are not very good

when it comes to chronic illness and that is when

natural methods outstrip drug therapy.

Best wishes

Chris

 

 

 

 

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