Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 Hi Wayne, Thanks, I believe what makes it so hard to discuss poitics is, it takes on a my team against your team, as opposed to what is the truth, and what is political claptrap. As you may guess, I do not have a high opinion of most politicians. I also think that the quote from Linus Pauling on our group's homepage is appropriate. " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus Pauling It is very hard to put aside labels, like republican, democrat, liberal, conservative, libertarian, etc. with which most people indentify with. If you swallow whole what any political group tries to make you believe (public relations, manipulation), without some critical thinking, it borders on the impossible. As to your other subject, I think that the whole prion issue is a very, very important one. I hope that you will share your thoughts and findings on the prions with the group. It is a subject that interests me greatly. Frank Gettingwell , Wayne Fugitt <wayne@f...> wrote: > Morning Frank, > > >Out of 900+ members only a very few members responded. > > I did not reply because others stated an opinion similar to mine. > > There is no way to escape the fact that political information effects > our health, some of it more directly that others. Actually, I think all > politics effects our health, some of it has immediate effect and some long > term effect. > > For example, I am now studying Prions disease. This item is potentially > the bubonic plague of the century. > > The political maneuvers may even be worse than the scientific blunders. > > Here is a short example............. ( with names removed ) > > > A few years ago, a twin engine plane crashed near Calhoun, Georgia. Initial > reports said tissue samples onboard were headed to CDC in Atlanta. > > An immediate retraction was issued including a statement by the CDC that NO > tissue samples were on board and the cargo was NOT headed to the CDC. > > I was there and the labels were clearly addressed to the CDC in Atlanta. > Some of > the packages were broken open or partially burned. I could see tissue and > bones. Makes you wonder. > ----------- > > In summary, I feel that related political information is vital to our > health. > > Deciding what is related requires decision making. Most of our list > members are good at doing that. > > Wayne > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 If you continue with political agendas, you should rename the list Gettingpoliticallywell. Again, I have and use my delete button. So show your colours. Hank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 Gettingwell , Wayne Fugitt <wayne@f...> wrote: > Morning Frank, > > >Out of 900+ members only a very few members responded. > > I did not reply because others stated an opinion similar to mine. > ************************************************ Yes, I can how many people might think that also, but you nor I would never know that is why they didn't answer. The only way we will know, is if they do answer, even if it is similar to someone else's opinion. So, everyone, please try and answer with something. thanks, Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 I am new here but would like to say I prefer not talking politics unless it relates to health issues. Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 Frank-- I'm fairly new here and enjoy all the sharing. Thank you for having this group. Before I give my opinion, I just wanted to say I thought it was very kind of you to inquire as to our opinions.... it is your list and I am respectful of your rules. I believe limiting political discussion is best, but I can also use my delete button. Lianne Lang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 califpacific wrote: >Dear Group, > >I posted the previous message below to the group asking for opinions, >comments, etc. > >Out of 900+ members only a very few members responded. > >By the lack of response, I do not know what to believe. > >Do you not care what or how politics are discussed here? > I prefer that politics be left to a site which discusses politics, not this one. > >The majority of you have no opinions? or are apathetic? > >Are you afraid to voice your true feelings in todays climate? > No, I am definitely not afraid to voice my opinions, in this or any climate. > >Are you confused by the conflicting issues involved? > No, I am not confused by conflicting issues involved. It is just that there are so many issues around a partaicular topic, many of which are not expressed by the speaked for many reasons, ignorance being only one of them. > >Are we to ignore all political issues and pretend they don't exist? > Many people to whom I have spoken are ignorant of many issues, and if they are aware of some issues, not the underlying ones. > >I would like to ask you all, once again, to give your thoughts on >these matters. > I very much prefer to keep politics off this list. Maybe, just maybe, include only those political issues which affect health - like CODEX. > >If we can formulate some guidelines at this point, it might be a good >idea. > >Please send in your thoughts to help with this complex issue. > >thanks, > >Frank > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 Ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 Sorry, I was responding to Barbara's message. It was not attached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 my humble opinion, politics have always been discussed on this group - to a lesser degree, and, if it was decided on a poll (good idea), I would vote to keep politics out of this health support group, i.e. to keep it the way it is (if you see what I mean). Ray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 I'm interested in alien abductions, pot and conspiracy theories.... so lets get it on Y-MM ..oops art bell is on gotta run.. later CT >Yahwist >I have a group and we talk about Politics,Religion,Newage, Health, and >other things so I see nothing wrong with it and I have very little >trouble with having to boot people off...So lets get it on....MM. > _______________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2003 Report Share Posted February 23, 2003 - Ken Woody Gettingwell Friday, February 21, 2003 5:18 PM Re: ATTENTION ALL GROUP MEMBERS Frank, I really appreciate your efforts on this board, and I hope you will continue for a long long time. I believe that political discussions here should only involve matters that have a direct impact on the health expectations of the people. Governmental limits on the right of the public to obtain vitamins and supplements should be discussed and opposed. I'm a little uneasy about about discussions dealing with environmental regulations. For instance, We had some problems getting state permits for our organic fertilizers, due to the arsenic content found by the lab. When our chemist pointed out, and proved, that the native soil contained more arsenic than our fertilizer did, we got our permits. Sometimes we just don't know all the facts, and it's easy to let political bias take over the discussion. I'm one of these misfits that believes that all doctors are not bad, nor are all pharma drugs. I was very nearly killed by one doctor, saved by another, who then sent me to another who insisted, to no avail, on taking out my colon to heal my Crohn's. My wife is bipolar who has had her life restored by a pharmaceutical drug, after another doctor almost destroyed her with shock treatments. Political discussions dealing with doctors and drug company matters can become extreme rather quickly. If we allow discussion of political matters on this board, I believe it should be very limited. Facts are liable to be overwhelmed by assumptions colored by political orientation. Les > > We have always had a policy of no political discussion in this group, although politics impact health in many ways. In effect, what that really meant was no discussion of politics except as it affects a health issue. > > A thorough discussion of health has to include some elements of a political nature due to governments regulating so many aspects of our societies which affect health. > > Regulation of nutritional substances, health care, costs involved, foods, air, water, sunlight, polution, etc. The list goes on and on. It impacts most areas of our lives. Politics should be for the common good, but most of the time what it really means is dollars (or other money) in someone's pockets. > > It is very hard to view or discuss these issues due to everyones own personal beliefs or economic interests. To further complicate the problem, I think that most people's belief systems are programmed or manipulated by special interest groups or other outside forces much more so than any internal thought processes. Although everyone thinks of himself as an independent free thinker, it is the opposite I believe that is far more true. > > So, how do we discuss the political aspects that affect us all without it degenerating into a low level, partisan free for all of knee jerk reactions? It could quickly descend to name calling and destructive behaviour. We have already had some of that even though the posts were discarded before they made it to the group. > > Can these issues be discussed in a rational, intelligent manner? > > And now, we have the looming specter or war approaching. That is a health issue for many people, even if maybe not you personally. > > I would like input from all members on these issues. > > thanks, > > Frank > > > > > > > > > Gettingwell- / Vitamins, Herbs, Aminos, etc. > > To , e-mail to: Gettingwell- > Or, go to our group site: Gettingwell > > > > > Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 In a message dated 2/23/2003 10:46:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, califpacific writes: > Dear Group, > > I posted the previous message below to the group asking for opinions, > comments, etc. > > Out of 900+ members only a very few members responded. Unfortunately the hard truth is 900+ responses is a lot of email to have to read. A poll would be the most beneficial way to approach this matter. Everyone will have their own reasons for not being able to sit and read 900+ emails. My reason is I am not physically able to sit for that long a time and it would take me away from reading an email that may be more helpful to myself and my family on Gettingwell. > > By the lack of response, I do not know what to believe. > > Do you not care what or how politics are discussed here? Yes, I care how politics are discussed here. Is there such a thing as policing posted messages concerning politics. > > The majority of you have no opinions? or are apathetic? I feel this is a little bit rude. Of course we all have opinions. There is a time to speak and a time to listen. > > Are you afraid to voice your true feelings in todays climate? Yes, I am. I have a tendency to be extremely passionate about my views and when I jump in a mud puddle I don't care who gets splashed. I've learned to be careful about my mud puddles. > Are you confused by the conflicting issues involved? Absolutely. I'm new on the Gettingwell scene and just recently realized how my doctors were slowing killing me. I am one of the unfortunate few who received not one but two tainted epidural steroid injections in my spine. 3 people died. Many are left very sick including myself. The shot was tainted with a mold. So yes. I'm confused. But as with all things, when my year and a day is up I will be more prolific at studying.> > Are we to ignore all political issues and pretend they don't exist? Not if we are of sound mind and physically able to take them on. > I would like to ask you all, once again, to give your thoughts on > these matters. > > If we can formulate some guidelines at this point, it might be a good > idea. > > Please send in your thoughts to help with this complex issue. My thoughts are to do polls. My thoughts are to have political statements clarified as to how they relate to Gettingwell. My thoughts are to use a touch of kindness when addressing ones mistakes and misguided conceptions. My thoughts are that a member introduction file would be helpful in recognizing the experts from the ones in their year and a day of study. I'll end by saying thank you to all the folks posting. I've gleamed a lot on the GI Candidas (I hope I spelled that right). After going cold turkey on 9 different prescribed medications 4 months ago due to the sickness incurred by the tainted shot, my entire system is a mess. I have gained improvement with some of the advice. I'm attempting to locate a MD that will work with a Nutritionist and more homeopathic or natural remedies. I'll not read all the responses titled Re: ATTENTION ALL GROUP MEMBERS. I'll file them and read them as I can. Blessings, Dee > > thanks, > > Frank > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 I agree with Rena and Barbara, no politics unless it pertains to a health issue. Good health groups are hard to find, political groups are in abundance. Have a great week everyone! Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2003 Report Share Posted February 24, 2003 My opinion of this politic thing is to limit it to the necessity of tying it to the health issues at hand. Otherwise, I feel only health issues need be discussed in this group. I think that Frank is doing a great job of presenting articles as well as others. It has been said that there are two things that you don't discuss and that is Religion and Politics. There are as many opinions out there as there are people. Health issues and/or subjects can be enlightening and helpful for our neighbor/s. Wayne Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 Frank, This is a wonderful source of health regaining information that is not easily obtained elsewhere. Political discussions are easy to obtain almost anywhere, even those related to health matters. Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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