Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 I read an article yesterday about a scientist that created the aids virus by bringing monkeys to this country and injecting retarded children in a hospital and also Africans and gays.Am I correct in thinking this is an article that I read from a post? If so can you please post that address again as I have deleted it.Some nurses at the hospital where my daughter works want to read it. Thanks, Emily - " F. M. Nicoll " <fmn Tuesday, February 11, 2003 4:16 PM Re: Aids Emerging Virus or a Created Story > Hi! The book is " Into the Light " Tomorrow's Medicine Today, by William > C. Douglass, MD. It's available through Artisan Publishers: > www.artisanpublishers.com It's a good book to understand the > treatment, photo-oxidation (ultraviolet blood irradiation therapy), with > case histories that are about 60 yrs. old, mostly done in a Philadelphia > hospital. Only a small portion of blood (5%) is withdrawn for > treatment, passing through a quartz tube for exposure to ultraviolet > light. It takes less than 10 minutes. Hope this helps. Steve > > Alobar wrote: > > > I am not familiar with the book you mention, Wayne. > > > > Alobar > > > > > > - > > " Wayne Fugitt " <wayne > > > > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:25 PM > > Aids Emerging Virus or a Created Story > > > > > > > Evening Alobar, > > > > > > > I have been studying AIDS, HIV and other so-called > > dangerous > > > >viruses for about 15 years now. Not as a research scientist. > > Just > > > >reading whatever I can find & trying to sort it all out. > > > > > > Have you run across the story of the book that was banned about > > AIDS? > > > > > > Seems the title was, " Why we will never win the war on AIDS " , or > > similar. > > > > > > A group of doctors were working for an insurance company in order > > to > > > establish rates for AIDS patients. > > > > > > Lots of strange things happened as a result of this study. Likely > > I have > > > some documents on this but they all exist on the internet. > > > > > > In addition, some research done by Dr. W. C. Douglass is > > interesting. He > > > established a clinic in Africa > > > to treat an study AIDS. I can't remember which book it was. > > Possibly the > > > one titled, " Into the Light " . > > > or maybe his book on H2O2. > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 Hi there! Check out: www.bodgraves.com for the Flow Chart on the creation of the infectious agent for AIDS. It's a bit more complicated than the African Green Monkey story! Vaccines were used to disseminate the disease, both in the U.S. (hepatitis B vaccines) and Africa (smallpox vaccines), & Graves identifies the batch #'s. The paper trail, from the original military request for a " stealth virus " that destroys the immune system, through research, & published scientific papers, is quite damning! Even more disturbing, is that the cure for AIDS was developed prior to releasing the agent into the population, intentionally withheld until enough people have died. Hard to accept? You may like to do a search on the Tuskeegee Syphillus Experiment, and recall the Presidential appology to the Black Community, before dismissing that a government would perpetrate such evil. Steve Emily Bradford wrote: > I read an article yesterday about a scientist that created the aids > virus by > bringing monkeys to this country and injecting retarded children in a > hospital and also Africans and gays.Am I correct in thinking this is an > article that I read from a post? If so can you please post that address > again as I have deleted it.Some nurses at the hospital where my daughter > works want to read it. > Thanks, Emily > > > - > " F. M. Nicoll " <fmn > > Tuesday, February 11, 2003 4:16 PM > Re: Aids Emerging Virus or a Created Story > > > > Hi! The book is " Into the Light " Tomorrow's Medicine Today, by William > > C. Douglass, MD. It's available through Artisan Publishers: > > www.artisanpublishers.com It's a good book to understand the > > treatment, photo-oxidation (ultraviolet blood irradiation therapy), > with > > case histories that are about 60 yrs. old, mostly done in a > Philadelphia > > hospital. Only a small portion of blood (5%) is withdrawn for > > treatment, passing through a quartz tube for exposure to ultraviolet > > light. It takes less than 10 minutes. Hope this helps. Steve > > > > Alobar wrote: > > > > > I am not familiar with the book you mention, Wayne. > > > > > > Alobar > > > > > > > > > - > > > " Wayne Fugitt " <wayne > > > > > > Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:25 PM > > > Aids Emerging Virus or a Created Story > > > > > > > > > > Evening Alobar, > > > > > > > > > I have been studying AIDS, HIV and other so-called > > > dangerous > > > > >viruses for about 15 years now. Not as a research scientist. > > > Just > > > > >reading whatever I can find & trying to sort it all out. > > > > > > > > Have you run across the story of the book that was banned > about > > > AIDS? > > > > > > > > Seems the title was, " Why we will never win the war on AIDS " , or > > > similar. > > > > > > > > A group of doctors were working for an insurance company in order > > > to > > > > establish rates for AIDS patients. > > > > > > > > Lots of strange things happened as a result of this study. > Likely > > > I have > > > > some documents on this but they all exist on the internet. > > > > > > > > In addition, some research done by Dr. W. C. Douglass is > > > interesting. He > > > > established a clinic in Africa > > > > to treat an study AIDS. I can't remember which book it was. > > > Possibly the > > > > one titled, " Into the Light " . > > > > or maybe his book on H2O2. > > > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 This Link below doesn't work for me > Hi there! Check out: www.bodgraves.com for the Flow Chart on the > creation of the infectious agent for AIDS. It's a bit more complicated > than the African Green Monkey story! Vaccines were used to disseminate > the disease, both in the U.S. (hepatitis B vaccines) and Africa --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release 1/30/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 Try www.boydgraves.com Regards, Marsha Bristol - MoonWolfe Gettingwell Wednesday, February 19, 2003 5:19 PM Re: Aids genocide This Link below doesn't work for me > Hi there! Check out: www.bodgraves.com for the Flow Chart on the > creation of the infectious agent for AIDS. It's a bit more complicated > than the African Green Monkey story! Vaccines were used to disseminate > the disease, both in the U.S. (hepatitis B vaccines) and Africa --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release 1/30/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 - " F. M. Nicoll " <fmn Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:55 PM Re: Aids genocide > Hi there! Check out: www.bodgraves.com for the Flow Chart on the > creation of the infectious agent for AIDS. It's a bit more complicated > than the African Green Monkey story! Vaccines were used to disseminate > the disease, both in the U.S. (hepatitis B vaccines) and Africa > (smallpox vaccines), & Graves identifies the batch #'s. The paper > trail, from the original military request for a " stealth virus " that > destroys the immune system, through research, & published scientific > papers, is quite damning! Even more disturbing, is that the cure for > AIDS was developed prior to releasing the agent into the population, > intentionally withheld until enough people have died. Hard to accept? > You may like to do a search on the Tuskeegee Syphillus Experiment, and > recall the Presidential appology to the Black Community, before > dismissing that a government would perpetrate such evil. Steve All the suspicious links and paper trails in the world do not prove anything. It is the nature of the paranoid mind to create links of causation where none exist. Back when there were a lot of airline hijackings going on, I remember someone who sifted thru all the people caught hijacking planes & came up with two very high links among all of them. Most everyone smoked cigarettes & most all of them ate pickles. It has never been demonstrated that HIV even causes AIDS. Science has some very specific ways of demonstrating that a particular disease is caused by a specific organism. In all these years, *nobody* has proven HIV causes AIDS. HIV=AIDS is nothing but a PR stunt. All smoke & mirrors. AIDS is a syndrome which may have many causes. Certain marker diseases are used to indicate AIDS. But the people doing the measuring keep changing what are considered marker diseases! And the marker diseases vary from country to country. Different tests for the HIV virus give different results. It is all a sham & a very sick joke. There is plenty of politics going on with AIDS, and lots of money is at stake, but little hard science. I sure am not saying the government is above doing something evil as you suggest. I am saying whatever dastardly germ warfare agents various people working for the US government may have developed, I see no proof AIDS is one of them. And I also do not believe there is or can be any vaccine or treatment for AIDS which can combat the disease. IMO, the only cure for AIDS is a lifestyle change, good nutrition, and plenty of supplements. It is not about killing off an organism, it is about restoring bodily balance & beefing up the immune system. I doubt seriously there is any one single organism which causes AIDS. AIDS is a systemic collapse & there are myriad infections by opportunistic organisms during such a collapse. AIDS is rife in parts of the world where public sanitation is low, nutrition is poor, and people's immune system is terribly compromised. People are often diagnosed with AIDS because the clinic then gets more money for treating whatever else is wrong with that person. There is also the extreme prejudgment of the people making the diagnosis. I'll bet that if I had gone to a clinic back 14 years ago when I wore my leather jacket & had a pink mohawk, I would have been diagnosed with AIDS, no matter what was really wrong with me. Rather than look for evil people who caused AIDS, 'd rather suggest going after the evil people who say there is a causative link between HIV and AIDS. Make them prove their wild pronouncements. And educate people to not take any of the toxic cocktails which cause far more harm than good. Alobar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2003 Report Share Posted February 20, 2003 You have some very good points to make. Over the last 20 yrs. of AIDS, people living with the illness have used a surprising range of natural therapies, improved diet, employed spirituality, from the time before AZT was introduced, until today. From direct observation, some therapies work well for some individuals, but not others. The same can be said to be true for medications. So much is inconsistant, it's like there's several diseases rather than one. Before dismissing the evidence of the origins of AIDS, why not review the Flow Chart? Dr. Len Horrowitz is also a good source of information, as it relates to the development of a composite, engineered, infective agent. Suggestions that paranoia is responsible for diverting from conventional views on AIDS, is often used when evidence cannot be countered. Medical science is also stubbornly resistant to evidence which is not supported by common opinion. How we ever make progress in medicine, except at an extremely slow pace, I'll never know. People living with AIDS are justifiably impatient with the holders of " authorized facts " about AIDS and research, as with all the deaths, and time wasted, there's no real progress. Oftentimes, PWA's conduct their own research projects, in a range of therapies. Trusting the 'experts' has produced little of real value, and so they sometimes look elsewhere for answers. The dispute about the etiology of AIDS, particularly Duesberg's arguments, have led nowhere--and I think that's purposely. Duesberg insists HIV is not the cause of AIDS, and while that may be true, he's never taken the trouble to identify the cause. He's certainly capable of doing so, if he wished to, but choses to simply repeat his assertions, contributing nothing of value. Graves & Horrowitz have identified the cause, and Graves identified the cure which was developed. Surely that's more of a contribution than Duesberg has ever made (in over a decade of disputing the etiology). Very sadly, nothing that people living with AIDS have ever done in natural therapies has been sufficient. This isn't to say that these therapies haven't been useful, just not enough. Pharmaceuticals haven't cured anyone, either. Strategies used in the past 20 yrs. have produced very little, and so, in my view, it's time to look in other directions--both concerning etiology and treatments. Wish us all well with this! Steve Alobar wrote: > > - > " F. M. Nicoll " <fmn > > Wednesday, February 19, 2003 4:55 PM > Re: Aids genocide > > > > Hi there! Check out: www.bodgraves.com for the Flow Chart on > the > > creation of the infectious agent for AIDS. It's a bit more > complicated > > than the African Green Monkey story! Vaccines were used to > disseminate > > the disease, both in the U.S. (hepatitis B vaccines) and Africa > > (smallpox vaccines), & Graves identifies the batch #'s. The paper > > trail, from the original military request for a " stealth virus " > that > > destroys the immune system, through research, & published > scientific > > papers, is quite damning! Even more disturbing, is that the cure > for > > AIDS was developed prior to releasing the agent into the > population, > > intentionally withheld until enough people have died. Hard to > accept? > > You may like to do a search on the Tuskeegee Syphillus Experiment, > and > > recall the Presidential appology to the Black Community, before > > dismissing that a government would perpetrate such evil. Steve > > All the suspicious links and paper trails in the world do not > prove anything. It is the nature of the paranoid mind to create > links of causation where none exist. Back when there were a lot of > airline hijackings going on, I remember someone who sifted thru all > the people caught hijacking planes & came up with two very high links > among all of them. Most everyone smoked cigarettes & most all of > them ate pickles. > > It has never been demonstrated that HIV even causes AIDS. > Science has some very specific ways of demonstrating that a > particular disease is caused by a specific organism. In all these > years, *nobody* has proven HIV causes AIDS. HIV=AIDS is nothing but > a PR stunt. All smoke & mirrors. AIDS is a syndrome which may have > many causes. Certain marker diseases are used to indicate AIDS. > But the people doing the measuring keep changing what are considered > marker diseases! And the marker diseases vary from country to > country. Different tests for the HIV virus give different results. > It is all a sham & a very sick joke. There is plenty of politics > going on with AIDS, and lots of money is at stake, but little hard > science. > > I sure am not saying the government is above doing something > evil as you suggest. I am saying whatever dastardly germ warfare > agents various people working for the US government may have > developed, I see no proof AIDS is one of them. And I also do not > believe there is or can be any vaccine or treatment for AIDS which > can combat the disease. IMO, the only cure for AIDS is a lifestyle > change, good nutrition, and plenty of supplements. It is not about > killing off an organism, it is about restoring bodily balance & > beefing up the immune system. I doubt seriously there is any one > single organism which causes AIDS. AIDS is a systemic collapse & > there are myriad infections by opportunistic organisms during such a > collapse. AIDS is rife in parts of the world where public > sanitation is low, nutrition is poor, and people's immune system is > terribly compromised. People are often diagnosed with AIDS > because the clinic then gets more money for treating whatever else is > wrong with that person. > > There is also the extreme prejudgment of the people making > the diagnosis. I'll bet that if I had gone to a clinic back 14 > years ago when I wore my leather jacket & had a pink mohawk, I would > have been diagnosed with AIDS, no matter what was really wrong with > me. > > Rather than look for evil people who caused AIDS, 'd rather > suggest going after the evil people who say there is a causative link > between HIV and AIDS. Make them prove their wild pronouncements. > And educate people to not take any of the toxic cocktails which cause > far more harm than good. > > Alobar > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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