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respond to: kwabena

 

Rick's message:

 

I should title this message: “The Aids Lie Lie.†I live here in San Diego,

and I pick up Zenger’s Magazine now and then, and see your fliers posted

around town frequently entitled “The Aids Lie.†I feel compelled to fight

the garbage that is being promulgated around San Diego—the garbage that " HIV

does not Aids, " and the garbage that HIV is “not decimating Africa.â€

 

HIV DOES CAUSE AIDS! and it was invented in Maryland in the early 70’s by the

Special Virus Cancer Program. It was then subsequently deployed throughout

Africa by the WHO through smallpox vaccine trials, and in the U.S. through

Hepatitus B vaccines. Leonard G. Horowitz, in his book, “Emerging Viruses,

Aids and Ebola, Nature, Accident, or Intentional?†makes the case very

convincingly that Gallo, Duesberg, Montagnier, and a core of cancer scientists

were working on the same simian, feline, and bovine RNA tumor viruses that cause

cancer, sarcoma, immunodeficiency—the very same symptoms of AIDS—from

1969-1972. If you don’t believe that, you can look at Boyd E. Graves’ book,

“State Origin.†AIDS is a bioweapon. Pure and simple. I went to the UCSD

Biomed Library myself and looked at Gallo’s documents from the early 70’s.

He indeed was working on retroviruses, or “RNA-dependent DNA polymerase,†as

he put it.

 

Let’s look at the lie that “HIV does not cause AIDS†and examine where it

came from. The primary proponent of this dangerous misinformation was none

other than Peter Duesberg. This is what award-winning Harvard Medical School

Graduate Leonard Horowitz had to say about Duesberg:

“In any case, Duesberg has argued for more than a decade that you can find HIV

in any burned-out, drugged-out, and sexed-out individual. He has consistently

blamed the victims of AIDS for living unhealthy lives—“

---“In fact, Duesberg’s position is exactly that held by prominent NCI and

NIH researchers from the beginning of the epidemic. As Shilts wrote, it is

incredulous that the National Cancer Institute in 1982 was still fiddling around

with half-baked theories that GRID was caused by poppers or sperm—“

“The fact is that Duesberg—like Gallo, Montagnier, Francis, Hilleman, and a

few others—had been part of a core group of investigators funded by the NCI to

study ‘special’ viruses and their links to cancer.â€

--“In 1971, for instance, Duesberg became a ‘project director’ for the

University of California’s contract (NIH 71-2173; see fig 8.3) to study the

mechanisms regulating mutant RNA tumor virus reproduction and sarcoma

development; the RNA-dependent DNA polymerase related effects Gallo and his

teams studied. This work followed sarcoma and leukemia virus studies on monkies

and cows, also conducted at the University of California with NCI funding. The

same year, during a meeting in Paris attended by Gallo and Montagnier, Duesberg

presented evidence that RNA leukemia and sarcoma viruses can be manipulated and

observed to produce the ‘provirus DNA—“

 

On page125 of Horowitz’s book, he concludes his notes on Duesberg by saying:

“This, in light of Duesberg’s documented ties to the NAS and NCI, at the

exact time the NAS informed the DOD that AIDS-like viruses could be developed in

five years for $10 million, his earlier admission, and his incomplete message, I

wondered whether the professor intended to provide a disinformation smokescreen

for these organizations? Consistent with Hegel’s approach to

counterintelligence propaganda, Gallo’s HIV=AIDS thesis, coupled with

Duesberg’s HIV does not = AIDS antithesis, caused ‘synthesis’—mass

confusion.â€

 

And that’s what Duesberg’s followers are propagating. Mass confusion. And

that’s why I’m here to fight it.

 

Now I will agree with you to the extent that poverty and malnutrition may

exacerbate the conditions under which the AIDS virus spreads in Africa, and I

also agree that the WHO has the ulterior motive of wanting to cut down the

population when they distribute condoms. This is pure Problem-Reaction-Solution

on the part of the WHO. They give people the virus, they report how bad it is,

and then they discourage sex so that Africans will not reproduce. But that does

not necessarily mean that the distribution of condoms in itself as a safe sex

measure is bad. Condoms in Africa can protect individuals from untold misery

and agony. You can call me racist until the sun turns into a red giant, but to

tell Africans not to wear condoms to protect themselves from AIDS is MURDER BY

DISINFORMATION!

 

You are right in that there needs to be a redress of wrongs, and that poverty

needs to be addressed in Africa. An eradication of debt and poverty will no

doubt cut down on the disease a great deal. So we’re on the same page on

that. But let’s talk about AIDS in Africa for a minute. In the February 2003

article of Zengers, Kim Stephenson writes: “Bangui Definition of AIDS in

Africa which says that an adult or adolescent 12 years old or greater is

considered to have AIDS if he or she exhibits two or more major signs plus one

minor sign. Major signs include: 1) weight loss of at least 10 percent of body

weight. 2:) diarrhea for at least one month; 3:) fever for at least one

month.†She goes on to say that major signs include lymphoadenopathy, herpes

simplex, among others. It is important to note that Gallo et al were working on

herpes viruses in the 1970’s Sounds like an AIDS case to me. As they say,

“If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and acts like a duck, then

it’s a duck.â€

 

Pure and simple. Now I know the Bangui Definition is coming from WHO, and they

are suspect. But even the worst agencies have to tell the truth part of the

time, in order to cover their ass.

 

Until proven otherwise, I will continue to fight this Lie called the “AIDS

Lie.â€

 

And that’s that.

 

Rick H.

 

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my response:

 

Hi, Rick,

 

thanks for your recent message, though it's too bad you think we're on such

different paths, since we both seek the truth.

 

I am aware of Len Horowitz's book, as well as the work of Boyd Graves - one of

my close friends has met with him several times. And although there was indeed

a government Virus Program (and will probably always be bio-weapons programs),

whether or not this Program produced this specific entity called 'HIV' as

currently defined, and as detectable by the current tests, is the looming

question. and it is specifically around this question that i disagree with you.

 

first of all, one virus cannot possibly cause both cancers/tumors AND

immunosuppression. the first case is an over-growth of cells, and the second is

a depletion of cells, supposedly t-cells. so the category of AIDS illnesses as

supposedly caused by this one virus, is still wrong.

 

and secondly, the AIDS phenomenon is completely explainable without positing a

new virus. people in the " high risk groups " for AIDS die from the same things

at the same ages whether they're 'HIV' positive or negative (e.g. i.v. drug

users, hemophiliacs, and the drug-using gay population), and the so-called AIDS

drugs are killing people by depleting bone marrow and causing organ failure.

 

the verified existence of a Virus Program does not in and of itself validate

current 'HIV' science. it's still a fact that the tests (ELISA, WB, viral load)

do not accurately determine who will die from AIDS, except insofar as this is a

self-fulfilling prophecy, in which case the medical establishment is still

murdering patients based on lies. i will continue working toward the

eradication of these deadly lies.

 

i'll forward your message to our group in case others would like to respond to

you, and i'm hoping we can all help each other uncover the whole truth about

AIDS.

 

thanks again,

Jo

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Rick!! I'm totally with you on this. I've read both Horrowitz' books &

Graves flow chart, and the evidence is quite damning! For a secret

program, the fools went as far as publishing. The paper trail speaks

for itself. I've thought the same about Duesberg, that he's a

disinformant. He was a paid consultant to the project. The man is

skilled enough to uncover the cause of AIDS, as are the people he

associates with--but he's been content to say 'HIV isn't the cause of

AIDS', and never done the science to reveal the cause. Primarily, I

suspect, that this is his role--to mislead, keep us " tail chasing " . The

most important information Graves presents, is that the cure for AIDS

was developed before the disease was implanted via Hepatitis B vaccines

in N. America, and in Smallpox vaccines in Africa. Graves names it as:

N-Dimethyl-Rifampicin, and also gives the patent number. Just imagine!

The cure has been available since the beginning, and " positive " people

have been poisoned with ineffective & profitable drugs for 20 years! I

see the results of " Treatments " nearly every day: facial deformities,

muscle wasting, neuropathies (people using wheel chairs, who were once

robust), diabetes, and recently a parkinsons disease like condition,

among others. Keep saying your truth, wherever you can! There's little

credibility left among the 'experts'. Most people just can't beleive

such evil would be perpetrated. Maybe suggest they view the movie

" May's Boys " , about the Tuskeegee Syphilus Experiment, for a sobering

look at 'medical ethics'. Steve

 

Elaine wrote:

 

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> joamazon

> [HEALSD] Message through HEALSD website

>

>

> HEAL San Diego has received the following message through our website,

> so i'm forwarding it to the group in case anyone would like to

> respond. my response to Rick follows his message.

>

> **************

>

> respond to: kwabena

>

> Rick's message:

>

> I should title this message: “The Aids Lie Lie.†I live here in San

> Diego, and I pick up Zenger’s Magazine now and then, and see your

> fliers posted around town frequently entitled “The Aids Lie.†I feel

> compelled to fight the garbage that is being promulgated around San

> Diego—the garbage that " HIV does not Aids, " and the garbage that HIV

> is “not decimating Africa.â€

>

> HIV DOES CAUSE AIDS! and it was invented in Maryland in the early 70’s

> by the Special Virus Cancer Program. It was then subsequently

> deployed throughout Africa by the WHO through smallpox vaccine trials,

> and in the U.S. through Hepatitus B vaccines. Leonard G. Horowitz, in

> his book, “Emerging Viruses, Aids and Ebola, Nature, Accident, or

> Intentional?†makes the case very convincingly that Gallo, Duesberg,

> Montagnier, and a core of cancer scientists were working on the same

> simian, feline, and bovine RNA tumor viruses that cause cancer,

> sarcoma, immunodeficiency—the very same symptoms of AIDS—from

> 1969-1972. If you don’t believe that, you can look at Boyd E. Graves’

> book, “State Origin.†AIDS is a bioweapon. Pure and simple. I went

> to the UCSD Biomed Library myself and looked at Gallo’s documents from

> the early 70’s. He indeed was working on retroviruses, or

> “RNA-dependent DNA polymerase,†as he put it.

>

> Let’s look at the lie that “HIV does not cause AIDS†and examine where

> it came from. The primary proponent of this dangerous misinformation

> was none other than Peter Duesberg. This is what award-winning

> Harvard Medical School Graduate Leonard Horowitz had to say about

> Duesberg:

> “In any case, Duesberg has argued for more than a decade that you can

> find HIV in any burned-out, drugged-out, and sexed-out individual. He

> has consistently blamed the victims of AIDS for living unhealthy lives—“

> ---“In fact, Duesberg’s position is exactly that held by prominent NCI

> and NIH researchers from the beginning of the epidemic. As Shilts

> wrote, it is incredulous that the National Cancer Institute in 1982

> was still fiddling around with half-baked theories that GRID was

> caused by poppers or sperm—“

> “The fact is that Duesberg—like Gallo, Montagnier, Francis, Hilleman,

> and a few others—had been part of a core group of investigators funded

> by the NCI to study ‘special’ viruses and their links to cancer.â€

> --“In 1971, for instance, Duesberg became a ‘project director’ for the

> University of California’s contract (NIH 71-2173; see fig 8.3) to

> study the mechanisms regulating mutant RNA tumor virus reproduction

> and sarcoma development; the RNA-dependent DNA polymerase related

> effects Gallo and his teams studied. This work followed sarcoma and

> leukemia virus studies on monkies and cows, also conducted at the

> University of California with NCI funding. The same year, during a

> meeting in Paris attended by Gallo and Montagnier, Duesberg presented

> evidence that RNA leukemia and sarcoma viruses can be manipulated and

> observed to produce the ‘provirus DNA—“

>

> On page125 of Horowitz’s book, he concludes his notes on Duesberg by

> saying:

> “This, in light of Duesberg’s documented ties to the NAS and NCI, at

> the exact time the NAS informed the DOD that AIDS-like viruses could

> be developed in five years for $10 million, his earlier admission, and

> his incomplete message, I wondered whether the professor intended to

> provide a disinformation smokescreen for these organizations?

> Consistent with Hegel’s approach to counterintelligence propaganda,

> Gallo’s HIV==AIDS thesis, coupled with Duesberg’s HIV does not == AIDS

> antithesis, caused ‘synthesis’—mass confusion.â€

>

> And that’s what Duesberg’s followers are propagating. Mass

> confusion. And that’s why I’m here to fight it.

>

> Now I will agree with you to the extent that poverty and malnutrition

> may exacerbate the conditions under which the AIDS virus spreads in

> Africa, and I also agree that the WHO has the ulterior motive of

> wanting to cut down the population when they distribute condoms. This

> is pure Problem-Reaction-Solution on the part of the WHO. They give

> people the virus, they report how bad it is, and then they discourage

> sex so that Africans will not reproduce. But that does not necessarily

> mean that the distribution of condoms in itself as a safe sex measure

> is bad. Condoms in Africa can protect individuals from untold misery

> and agony. You can call me racist until the sun turns into a red

> giant, but to tell Africans not to wear condoms to protect themselves

> from AIDS is MURDER BY DISINFORMATION!

>

> You are right in that there needs to be a redress of wrongs, and that

> poverty needs to be addressed in Africa. An eradication of debt and

> poverty will no doubt cut down on the disease a great deal. So we’re

> on the same page on that. But let’s talk about AIDS in Africa for a

> minute. In the February 2003 article of Zengers, Kim Stephenson

> writes: “Bangui Definition of AIDS in Africa which says that an adult

> or adolescent 12 years old or greater is considered to have AIDS if he

> or she exhibits two or more major signs plus one minor sign. Major

> signs include: 1) weight loss of at least 10 percent of body weight.

> 2:) diarrhea for at least one month; 3:) fever for at least one

> month.†She goes on to say that major signs include lymphoadenopathy,

> herpes simplex, among others. It is important to note that Gallo et

> al were working on herpes viruses in the 1970’s Sounds like an AIDS

> case to me. As they say, “If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck,

> and acts like a duck, then

> it’s a duck.â€

>

> Pure and simple. Now I know the Bangui Definition is coming from WHO,

> and they are suspect. But even the worst agencies have to tell the

> truth part of the time, in order to cover their ass.

>

> Until proven otherwise, I will continue to fight this Lie called the

> “AIDS Lie.â€

>

> And that’s that.

>

> Rick H.

>

> *************

>

> my response:

>

> Hi, Rick,

>

> thanks for your recent message, though it's too bad you think we're on

> such different paths, since we both seek the truth.

>

> I am aware of Len Horowitz's book, as well as the work of Boyd Graves

> - one of my close friends has met with him several times. And

> although there was indeed a government Virus Program (and will

> probably always be bio-weapons programs), whether or not this Program

> produced this specific entity called 'HIV' as currently defined, and

> as detectable by the current tests, is the looming question. and it

> is specifically around this question that i disagree with you.

>

> first of all, one virus cannot possibly cause both cancers/tumors AND

> immunosuppression. the first case is an over-growth of cells, and the

> second is a depletion of cells, supposedly t-cells. so the category

> of AIDS illnesses as supposedly caused by this one virus, is still wrong.

>

> and secondly, the AIDS phenomenon is completely explainable without

> positing a new virus. people in the " high risk groups " for AIDS die

> from the same things at the same ages whether they're 'HIV' positive

> or negative (e.g. i.v. drug users, hemophiliacs, and the drug-using

> gay population), and the so-called AIDS drugs are killing people by

> depleting bone marrow and causing organ failure.

>

> the verified existence of a Virus Program does not in and of itself

> validate current 'HIV' science. it's still a fact that the tests

> (ELISA, WB, viral load) do not accurately determine who will die from

> AIDS, except insofar as this is a self-fulfilling prophecy, in which

> case the medical establishment is still murdering patients based on

> lies. i will continue working toward the eradication of these deadly

> lies.

>

> i'll forward your message to our group in case others would like to

> respond to you, and i'm hoping we can all help each other uncover the

> whole truth about AIDS.

>

> thanks again,

> Jo

> webmaster, healsd.org

>

> To to this group, send an email to:

> HEALSD-

>

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[Guest guest]

I have been studying AIDS, HIV and other so-called dangerous

viruses for about 15 years now. Not as a research scientist. Just

reading whatever I can find & trying to sort it all out.

 

I find Peter Deusberg to be asking all the right questions.

There are no simple answers. But unless the so-called scientists

actually find some bug which adheres to the protocol set up by Koch

for proving any particular organism actually causes a disease, nobody

is gonna convince me the so-called AIDS experts really know a damn

thing.

 

To recap Koch from memory:

To prove an organism is responsible to causing a disease,

one must isolate the organism from a sick person or animal,

inoculate it into a healthy person or animal,

that person or animal must then get sick from the same disease as the

original person or animal, and

then live organisms must be then isolated from the newly sickened

person or animal.

 

HIV does not meet those stringent requirements. The

powers-that-be have just *decided* that HIV causes AIDS without any

proof whatsoever. Were this an isolated instance of such un-founded

proclamations, I could just possibly trust in their hunch. But

reputable scientists have been wrong before. Very badly wrong. And

by making the same sort of off-the-wall assumptions. Let me give

some lengthy quotes here. URL is at the end, but as I have not

visited the site in years, I do not know if the site is still up.

 

 

> Then we have Pernicious Anemia, which had a mortality rate of 98 or

> 99 percent. And no medical modality under the sun could touch it.

> Arsenic and its salts, strychnine, iron and hundreds of other

> remedies were tried, but to no avail until the researchers Drs.

> Murphy, Shipple and Minot commenced their classical studies on the

> relationship of Pernicious Anemia to dietary deficiency.

 

> While working at the University of California they discovered a

very

> simple remedy for preventing and curing this disease. They simply

> said to their patients, " go down to your butcher shop and get a

> quarter pound of fresh liver. Grind it up and take a tablespoon

> everyday and take the quarter pound and cook it very lightly and

just

> singe the surface and use this as a ration for three days. " And

when

> the patients followed this advice without exception, those with

> Pernicious Anemia made complete recoveries. Despite this these men

> were censored by the Medical Establishment at the time and were

> criticized for engaging in what was alleged to be Medical Quackery.

 

> The argument was how can respectable doctors advise people with a

> disease that has a 99 percent mortality rate to ignore all of the

> established drugs of medical science and go down to the butcher

shop

> and buy some raw liver and take this and expect this to cure a

> disease that nothing else had cured. Well, raw liver did cure the

> disease and raw liver did prevent it.

 

> As the chemistry of raw liver was studied it was discovered that

the

> factors responsible were Vitamin B12 and Folic Acid. So Vitamin B12

> and Folic Acid are now a part of our normal dietary experience.

 

> There was another disease that is a metabolic or chronic nature and

> this is Pellagra. At one time it was so endemic in certain parts of

> the world, particularly the American southwest, that there were

> entire hospitals given to the treatment of Pellagrans.

 

> The great Sir William Osler in his " Principles and Practices of

> Medicine " written at the turn of this century, said of Pellagra, " I

> was at Lenoir, North Carolina during one winter and this winter I

> visited the Lenoir home for the colored insane and there 75 percent

> of the inmates died from the disease. It ran rampant through this

> institution and convinced me beyond any doubt that pellagra is a

> virus that is infectious. "

 

> And then came the fine works of the United States Public Health

> Service Surgeon, Dr. Goldberger, who showed conclusively that the

> occurrence of Pellagra was related with a deficiency of fresh green

> material in the diet.. So Dr. Goldberger approached this problem

> first by the use of Brewer's Yeast, which would completely prevent

and

> cure pellagra. Further studies then showed that the factor in

> Brewer's yeast that was most determinate of this effect was niacin,

> Vitamin B3.

 

> So another fatal chronic metabolic disease found total resolution

and

> cure through factors normal to the normal diet or the animal

economy.

> We know that cancer is no exception to this great generalization

and

> to date has known no exception. That is that every chronic of

> metabolic disease that will ever be controlled by man, must be

> controlled by means that are a part of the biological experience of

> the organism. Chronic and metabolic diseases can never be

controlled,

> prevented or cured by factors foreign to the biological experience

of

> the organism.

 

> http://www.karlloren.com/biopsy/p77.htm

 

I posted a lot of info gleaned from different sources about

AIDS into my LiveJournal so I could find them later. Rather than

copy all that material here, I shall give the access URL:

http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?journal=alobar & itemid=78920

 

I can't locate my notes right now, but I do remember being

pointed at an interesting website last year from some healthlist (not

sure which one) which posited that viruses are not really life as we

know it, but simply the decay products of disease which have other

causes. Not sure if I buy that one yet, but it does seem like an

interesting premise worth exploring. Sorry I have no URL handy for

that article.

 

Alobar

 

 

 

 

 

 

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