Guest guest Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 I do not believe that you could have put it better and more gracious than that... Thanks for your time and efforts, Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 Dear Group, I would like to cover a few items that probably will not be popular with some people. The reason that this group was started was to give an area to discuss the use of foods, vitamins, herbs and some others to be used in healing and to trade that information with each other, There were quite a few groups on that said they were promoting natural healing but their version was usually the same. They were promoting things like liver and gallbladder cleanses, machines that cured all disease, etc. ( I don't knock that element in the group, but this is not the forum for it either). This I found was usually at odds with most serious recognized alternate healing methods like orthomolecular and naturopathic methods. The term naturopathy or naturopath as used on the web, is used by all kinds of people, even though it is a very specific method, whose doctors study at colleges for an about equal amount of time as M.D.s, but in common usage on the web it can mean just about anything or anybody. Most sources on the web seem a little bit snake oilish to me. So, I started this group to get away from that and try and have a place where the more orthomolecular or naturopathic viewpoint could be discussed. Later, I did find a few groups based on what I considered solid nutritional and herbal foundations. Joann's was one and a few others. I eventually joined them also. And eventually I invited some of the groups of a similiar nature to post here also. Some of the observations that I have come to in trying to sift the wheat from the chaff are. If someone is trying to sell you information about health and nutrition, they probably are not the best source for information, as most of anything they could quote was taken from someone higher in the pecking order and the information from that source was usually free and available in a serious publication. The same held true for nutritional supplements. If someone was trying to sell me expensive supplements based on the superiority and cliams that theirs only worked and somesuch, I usually found on further research that their claims were more sales slant than truth. Good health information and good nutrition do not have to cost a lot. If someone is trying to tell you otherwise, then they are usually being influenced by a sales slant somewhere. I am not against business. I am for business. I am against misrepresentation for profit, no matter whether the business is large or small. Good nutrition is more a matter of education than what brand of vitamins to buy. Good health information is available on the net, but you have to search for it, seperate the wheat from the chaff, and be able to discern the difference. Self education is again the key. Not everything good to know, in this area, is available in it's entirety on the web. There are some very good books written on the use of nutrients and herbs to heal. Most are not the popular sellers promoted by the medias. Nor do they go out of fashion with the information if they are based on solid research. If someone wanted to invest in health dollars (or euros, yen, pesos. etc.), I would recommend some used books available for relatively few dolars from some of the online auctions and book exchanges. The old Adelle Davis paperbacks are available for about 75 cents plus postage. I have bought a lot of hardback classic books on health and nutrition for 2 to 5 bucks apiece. Now, that I consider a great bargain, considering the depth and completeness of some of these books in contrast to what someone is trying to sell me on the web. And written by people who really know what they are talking about. I have found a lot of them cheap, If anyone would like to know some examples, i will send them to you. I guess my point is that information is cheap if you look for it and steer clear of most of the advertised ones thrust upon you. Books do not have to be expensive (used), nutritious food does not have to be expensive, good supplements I'm still working on, but I don't buy the designer ones though. So, if anyone wants to promote the more popular versions of alternative methods like I mentioned above ( and are all over the web), please go to one of the many groups that promote that stuff. I came here to get away from that. But if you are interested in the non commercial, serious approach proposed by the othomolecular, naturopaths amd serious herbalists, then please stay and help us all learn. respectfully, Frank Gettingwell- / Vitamins, Herbs, Aminos, etc. To , e-mail to: Gettingwell- Or, go to our group site: Gettingwell Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 You get two thumbs up from me, Frank. Alobar - " Frank " <califpacific <gettingwell > Tuesday, December 31, 2002 2:54 PM starting point of group. > > Dear Group, > > I would like to cover a few items that probably will not be popular with some people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 Hi Frank, I would appreciate some of your examples for some good older books. Thanx. Marvin Frank <califpacific wrote: Dear Group, I would like to cover a few items that probably will not be popular with some people. The reason that this group was started was to give an area to discuss the use of foods, vitamins, herbs and some others to be used in healing and to trade that information with each other, There were quite a few groups on that said they were promoting natural healing but their version was usually the same. They were promoting things like liver and gallbladder cleanses, machines that cured all disease, etc. ( I don't knock that element in the group, but this is not the forum for it either). This I found was usually at odds with most serious recognized alternate healing methods like orthomolecular and naturopathic methods. The term naturopathy or naturopath as used on the web, is used by all kinds of people, even though it is a very specific method, whose doctors study at colleges for an about equal amount of time as M.D.s, but in common usage on the web it can mean just about anything or anybody. Most sources on the web seem a little bit snake oilish to me. So, I started this group to get away from that and try and have a place where the more orthomolecular or naturopathic viewpoint could be discussed. Later, I did find a few groups based on what I considered solid nutritional and herbal foundations. Joann's was one and a few others. I eventually joined them also. And eventually I invited some of the groups of a similiar nature to post here also. Some of the observations that I have come to in trying to sift the wheat from the chaff are. If someone is trying to sell you information about health and nutrition, they probably are not the best source for information, as most of anything they could quote was taken from someone higher in the pecking order and the information from that source was usually free and available in a serious publication. The same held true for nutritional supplements. If someone was trying to sell me expensive supplements based on the superiority and cliams that theirs only worked and somesuch, I usually found on further research that their claims were more sales slant than truth. Good health information and good nutrition do not have to cost a lot. If someone is trying to tell you otherwise, then they are usually being influenced by a sales slant somewhere. I am not against business. I am for business. I am against misrepresentation for profit, no matter whether the business is large or small. Good nutrition is more a matter of education than what brand of vitamins to buy. Good health information is available on the net, but you have to search for it, seperate the wheat from the chaff, and be able to discern the difference. Self education is again the key. Not everything good to know, in this area, is available in it's entirety on the web. There are some very good books written on the use of nutrients and herbs to heal. Most are not the popular sellers promoted by the medias. Nor do they go out of fashion with the information if they are based on solid research. If someone wanted to invest in health dollars (or euros, yen, pesos. etc.), I would recommend some used books available for relatively few dolars from some of the online auctions and book exchanges. The old Adelle Davis paperbacks are available for about 75 cents plus postage. I have bought a lot of hardback classic books on health and nutrition for 2 to 5 bucks apiece. Now, that I consider a great bargain, considering the depth and completeness of some of these books in contrast to what someone is trying to sell me on the web. And written by people who really know what they are talking about. I have found a lot of them cheap, If anyone would like to know some examples, i will send them to you. I guess my point is that information is cheap if you look for it and steer clear of most of the advertised ones thrust upon you. Books do not have to be expensive (used), nutritious food does not have to be expensive, good supplements I'm still working on, but I don't buy the designer ones though. So, if anyone wants to promote the more popular versions of alternative methods like I mentioned above ( and are all over the web), please go to one of the many groups that promote that stuff. I came here to get away from that. But if you are interested in the non commercial, serious approach proposed by the othomolecular, naturopaths amd serious herbalists, then please stay and help us all learn. respectfully, Frank Gettingwell- / Vitamins, Herbs, Aminos, etc. To , e-mail to: Gettingwell- Or, go to our group site: Gettingwell Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 Frank, what is the name of Joann's group?also is it about nutrition and supplements? - " Marvin Neva " <pharmdoc48 Tuesday, December 31, 2002 3:54 PM Re: starting point of group. > > Hi Frank, > I would appreciate some of your examples for some good older books. Thanx. > Marvin > Frank <califpacific wrote: > Dear Group, > > I would like to cover a few items that probably will not be popular with some people. > > The reason that this group was started was to give an area to discuss the use of foods, vitamins, herbs and some others to be used in healing and to trade that information with each other, > > There were quite a few groups on that said they were promoting natural healing but their version was usually the same. They were promoting things like liver and gallbladder cleanses, machines that cured all disease, etc. ( I don't knock that element in the group, but this is not the forum for it either). > > This I found was usually at odds with most serious recognized alternate healing methods like orthomolecular and naturopathic methods. The term naturopathy or naturopath as used on the web, is used by all kinds of people, even though it is a very specific method, whose doctors study at colleges for an about equal amount of time as M.D.s, but in common usage on the web it can mean just about anything or anybody. > > Most sources on the web seem a little bit snake oilish to me. So, I started this group to get away from that and try and have a place where the more orthomolecular or naturopathic viewpoint could be discussed. > > Later, I did find a few groups based on what I considered solid nutritional and herbal foundations. Joann's was one and a few others. I eventually joined them also. And eventually I invited some of the groups of a similiar nature to post here also. > > Some of the observations that I have come to in trying to sift the wheat from the chaff are. > > If someone is trying to sell you information about health and nutrition, they probably are not the best source for information, as most of anything they could quote was taken from someone higher in the pecking order and the information from that source was usually free and available in a serious publication. > > The same held true for nutritional supplements. If someone was trying to sell me expensive supplements based on the superiority and cliams that theirs only worked and somesuch, I usually found on further research that their claims were more sales slant than truth. > > Good health information and good nutrition do not have to cost a lot. If someone is trying to tell you otherwise, then they are usually being influenced by a sales slant somewhere. I am not against business. I am for business. I am against misrepresentation for profit, no matter whether the business is large or small. > > Good nutrition is more a matter of education than what brand of vitamins to buy. > > Good health information is available on the net, but you have to search for it, seperate the wheat from the chaff, and be able to discern the difference. Self education is again the key. > > Not everything good to know, in this area, is available in it's entirety on the web. There are some very good books written on the use of nutrients and herbs to heal. Most are not the popular sellers promoted by the medias. Nor do they go out of fashion with the information if they are based on solid research. > > If someone wanted to invest in health dollars (or euros, yen, pesos. etc.), I would recommend some used books available for relatively few dolars from some of the online auctions and book exchanges. > > The old Adelle Davis paperbacks are available for about 75 cents plus postage. I have bought a lot of hardback classic books on health and nutrition for 2 to 5 bucks apiece. > > Now, that I consider a great bargain, considering the depth and completeness of some of these books in contrast to what someone is trying to sell me on the web. And written by people who really know what they are talking about. > > I have found a lot of them cheap, If anyone would like to know some examples, i will send them to you. > > I guess my point is that information is cheap if you look for it and steer clear of most of the advertised ones thrust upon you. > > Books do not have to be expensive (used), nutritious food does not have to be expensive, good supplements I'm still working on, but I don't buy the designer ones though. > > So, if anyone wants to promote the more popular versions of alternative methods like I mentioned above ( and are all over the web), please go to one of the many groups that promote that stuff. I came here to get away from that. > > But if you are interested in the non commercial, serious approach proposed by the othomolecular, naturopaths amd serious herbalists, then please stay and help us all learn. > > respectfully, > > Frank > > Gettingwell- / Vitamins, Herbs, Aminos, etc. > > To , e-mail to: Gettingwell- > Or, go to our group site: Gettingwell > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 Gettingwell , " Emily Bradford " <emilyjoeb@c...> wrote: > Frank, > what is the name of Joann's group?also is it about nutrition and > supplements? > Sure, Her group is at: FriendsForHealthNaturally/ It is named on the bottom of her posts and is on our links page also. regards, Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 Yes post the name of this list to the group please I think more than one would like to know. sharon - Emily Bradford Gettingwell Tuesday, December 31, 2002 4:56 PM Re: starting point of group. Frank, what is the name of Joann's group?also is it about nutrition and supplements? - " Marvin Neva " <pharmdoc48 Tuesday, December 31, 2002 3:54 PM Re: starting point of group. > > Hi Frank, > I would appreciate some of your examples for some good older books. Thanx. > Marvin > Frank <califpacific wrote: > Dear Group, > > I would like to cover a few items that probably will not be popular with some people. > > The reason that this group was started was to give an area to discuss the use of foods, vitamins, herbs and some others to be used in healing and to trade that information with each other, > > There were quite a few groups on that said they were promoting natural healing but their version was usually the same. They were promoting things like liver and gallbladder cleanses, machines that cured all disease, etc. ( I don't knock that element in the group, but this is not the forum for it either). > > This I found was usually at odds with most serious recognized alternate healing methods like orthomolecular and naturopathic methods. The term naturopathy or naturopath as used on the web, is used by all kinds of people, even though it is a very specific method, whose doctors study at colleges for an about equal amount of time as M.D.s, but in common usage on the web it can mean just about anything or anybody. > > Most sources on the web seem a little bit snake oilish to me. So, I started this group to get away from that and try and have a place where the more orthomolecular or naturopathic viewpoint could be discussed. > > Later, I did find a few groups based on what I considered solid nutritional and herbal foundations. Joann's was one and a few others. I eventually joined them also. And eventually I invited some of the groups of a similiar nature to post here also. > > Some of the observations that I have come to in trying to sift the wheat from the chaff are. > > If someone is trying to sell you information about health and nutrition, they probably are not the best source for information, as most of anything they could quote was taken from someone higher in the pecking order and the information from that source was usually free and available in a serious publication. > > The same held true for nutritional supplements. If someone was trying to sell me expensive supplements based on the superiority and cliams that theirs only worked and somesuch, I usually found on further research that their claims were more sales slant than truth. > > Good health information and good nutrition do not have to cost a lot. If someone is trying to tell you otherwise, then they are usually being influenced by a sales slant somewhere. I am not against business. I am for business. I am against misrepresentation for profit, no matter whether the business is large or small. > > Good nutrition is more a matter of education than what brand of vitamins to buy. > > Good health information is available on the net, but you have to search for it, seperate the wheat from the chaff, and be able to discern the difference. Self education is again the key. > > Not everything good to know, in this area, is available in it's entirety on the web. There are some very good books written on the use of nutrients and herbs to heal. Most are not the popular sellers promoted by the medias. Nor do they go out of fashion with the information if they are based on solid research. > > If someone wanted to invest in health dollars (or euros, yen, pesos. etc.), I would recommend some used books available for relatively few dolars from some of the online auctions and book exchanges. > > The old Adelle Davis paperbacks are available for about 75 cents plus postage. I have bought a lot of hardback classic books on health and nutrition for 2 to 5 bucks apiece. > > Now, that I consider a great bargain, considering the depth and completeness of some of these books in contrast to what someone is trying to sell me on the web. And written by people who really know what they are talking about. > > I have found a lot of them cheap, If anyone would like to know some examples, i will send them to you. > > I guess my point is that information is cheap if you look for it and steer clear of most of the advertised ones thrust upon you. > > Books do not have to be expensive (used), nutritious food does not have to be expensive, good supplements I'm still working on, but I don't buy the designer ones though. > > So, if anyone wants to promote the more popular versions of alternative methods like I mentioned above ( and are all over the web), please go to one of the many groups that promote that stuff. I came here to get away from that. > > But if you are interested in the non commercial, serious approach proposed by the othomolecular, naturopaths amd serious herbalists, then please stay and help us all learn. > > respectfully, > > Frank > > > > > > > > > Gettingwell- / Vitamins, Herbs, Aminos, etc. > > To , e-mail to: Gettingwell- > Or, go to our group site: Gettingwell > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2003 Report Share Posted January 1, 2003 Thank you for this!!!!!!! I wholeheartedly agree... >Frank <califpacific >Gettingwell >gettingwell > starting point of group. >Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:54:02 -0800 (PST) > > >Dear Group, > >I would like to cover a few items that probably will not be popular with >some people. > >The reason that this group was started was to give an area to discuss the >use of foods, vitamins, herbs and some others to be used in healing and to >trade that information with each other, > >There were quite a few groups on that said they were promoting >natural healing but their version was usually the same. They were promoting >things like liver and gallbladder cleanses, machines that cured all >disease, etc. ( I don't knock that element in the group, but this is not >the forum for it either). > >This I found was usually at odds with most serious recognized alternate >healing methods like orthomolecular and naturopathic methods. The term >naturopathy or naturopath as used on the web, is used by all kinds of >people, even though it is a very specific method, whose doctors study at >colleges for an about equal amount of time as M.D.s, but in common usage >on the web it can mean just about anything or anybody. > >Most sources on the web seem a little bit snake oilish to me. So, I started >this group to get away from that and try and have a place where the more >orthomolecular or naturopathic viewpoint could be discussed. > >Later, I did find a few groups based on what I considered solid nutritional >and herbal foundations. Joann's was one and a few others. I eventually >joined them also. And eventually I invited some of the groups of a similiar >nature to post here also. > >Some of the observations that I have come to in trying to sift the wheat >from the chaff are. > >If someone is trying to sell you information about health and nutrition, >they probably are not the best source for information, as most of anything >they could quote was taken from someone higher in the pecking order and the >information from that source was usually free and available in a serious >publication. > >The same held true for nutritional supplements. If someone was trying to >sell me expensive supplements based on the superiority and cliams that >theirs only worked and somesuch, I usually found on further research that >their claims were more sales slant than truth. > >Good health information and good nutrition do not have to cost a lot. If >someone is trying to tell you otherwise, then they are usually being >influenced by a sales slant somewhere. I am not against business. I am for >business. I am against misrepresentation for profit, no matter whether the >business is large or small. > >Good nutrition is more a matter of education than what brand of vitamins to >buy. > >Good health information is available on the net, but you have to search for >it, seperate the wheat from the chaff, and be able to discern the >difference. Self education is again the key. > >Not everything good to know, in this area, is available in it's entirety on >the web. There are some very good books written on the use of nutrients and >herbs to heal. Most are not the popular sellers promoted by the medias. >Nor do they go out of fashion with the information if they are based on >solid research. > >If someone wanted to invest in health dollars (or euros, yen, pesos. etc.), >I would recommend some used books available for relatively few dolars from >some of the online auctions and book exchanges. > >The old Adelle Davis paperbacks are available for about 75 cents plus >postage. I have bought a lot of hardback classic books on health and >nutrition for 2 to 5 bucks apiece. > >Now, that I consider a great bargain, considering the depth and >completeness of some of these books in contrast to what someone is trying >to sell me on the web. And written by people who really know what they are >talking about. > >I have found a lot of them cheap, If anyone would like to know some >examples, i will send them to you. > >I guess my point is that information is cheap if you look for it and steer >clear of most of the advertised ones thrust upon you. > >Books do not have to be expensive (used), nutritious food does not have to >be expensive, good supplements I'm still working on, but I don't buy the >designer ones though. > >So, if anyone wants to promote the more popular versions of alternative >methods like I mentioned above ( and are all over the web), please go to >one of the many groups that promote that stuff. I came here to get away >from that. > >But if you are interested in the non commercial, serious approach proposed >by the othomolecular, naturopaths amd serious herbalists, then please stay >and help us all learn. > >respectfully, > >Frank > > > > > > > > >Gettingwell- / Vitamins, Herbs, Aminos, etc. > >To , e-mail to: Gettingwell- >Or, go to our group site: Gettingwell > > > > > Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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