Guest guest Posted May 29, 2002 Report Share Posted May 29, 2002 > 've also heard that one can grow organic crops, very successfully in 5 > gallon buckets. If anyone has any further data on this, or a website to > turn me onto, I'd appreciate it. This is the simplist thing to do. I have my potatoes growing in them and virtually any veggie will grow this way. I clean a 5 gallon bucket, drill about eight small holes in the bottom (maybe 1/4 inch hole) put in some rocks then layer straw and dirt --ending with the dirt, then plant your plants in it. It dries out very easily so keep it thoroughly watered. If the water drains too quickly then fill a tub with water and set the bucket in it until it is saturated. This is my way of doing it and it works, hope it is of some use. Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2002 Report Share Posted May 30, 2002 Hi Kirsten, Yes, I live on five acres out in the country. Very little traffic and very happy with my plants. I think part of growing your own food and herbs is the well being tending the plants gives you as well as the postive energy you expound while around them. I would be concerned about your Burger King drive thru as well. One thing you might consider, if you have the sun, is to garden in laundry baskets. Line the basket with newspaper, fill 2/3rds of the way with soil and plant. This way you could have your plants anywhere you wished. My daughter lives in the Twin Cities and gardens this way on her apartment balcony. Roxanne Roxanne J. Brown Elemental Clay http://www.cloudnet.com/~elemclay/ " One does not learn by speaking " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2002 Report Share Posted May 30, 2002 Dear Roxanne, I've also heard that one can grow organic crops, very successfully in 5 gallon buckets. If anyone has any further data on this, or a website to turn me onto, I'd appreciate it. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - elementalclay herbal remedies Wednesday, May 29, 2002 5:15 PM [herbal remedies] Re: growing herbs and veggies Hi Kirsten, Yes, I live on five acres out in the country. Very little traffic andvery happy with my plants. I think part of growing your own food andherbs is the well being tending the plants gives you as well as thepostive energy you expound while around them. I would be concerned about your Burger King drive thru as well. Onething you might consider, if you have the sun, is to garden in laundrybaskets. Line the basket with newspaper, fill 2/3rds of the way withsoil and plant. This way you could have your plants anywhere youwished. My daughter lives in the Twin Cities and gardens this way on herapartment balcony.RoxanneRoxanne J. BrownElemental Clayhttp://www.cloudnet.com/~elemclay/"One does not learn by speaking" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2002 Report Share Posted May 30, 2002 Rozanne, thanks for the "laundry basket" idea! I will have to give that a try! One day I will have my 5 acres out in the country!! I do find when I have time to garden that my mind is a blank, I love that!! Everyday I go out and look at my flowers! I have peony bushes, iris's, giant canna, lavender, lilac tree, sun-drop bushes, easter lilies from easter past, hiacynth, and my fisrt time, strawberries!! I am slowly expanding, but working at a flowershop/greenhouse I get alot of ideas and plants!! Thank you, Roxanne! Love, Kristen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2002 Report Share Posted May 30, 2002 > I've also heard that one can grow organic crops, very successfully in 5 > gallon buckets. If anyone has any further data on this...I'd appreciate it. It is possible to grow herbs and veggies right in bags of potting soil. Just poke holes for drainage. They only last one season, of course, but I’ve grown tomato plants that way. Maureen Slack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 From what I understand, one uses a double bucket system, with the inner one holding the soil and the outer one containing the water so that the soil in the inner sucks the water up from below. Anyone else heard of this. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Maureen Slack herbal remedies Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:16 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: growing herbs and veggies > I've also heard that one can grow organic crops, very successfully in 5> gallon buckets. If anyone has any further data on this...I'd appreciate it.It is possible to grow herbs and veggies right in bags of potting soil. Just poke holes for drainage. They only last one season, of course, but I’ve grown tomato plants that way.Maureen Slack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 I don't know about vegetable plants but, that's how I water my African Violets! Kristen - Ian Shillington N.D. herbal remedies Friday, May 31, 2002 9:11 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: growing herbs and veggies From what I understand, one uses a double bucket system, with the inner one holding the soil and the outer one containing the water so that the soil in the inner sucks the water up from below. Anyone else heard of this. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Maureen Slack herbal remedies Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:16 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: growing herbs and veggies > I've also heard that one can grow organic crops, very successfully in 5> gallon buckets. If anyone has any further data on this...I'd appreciate it.It is possible to grow herbs and veggies right in bags of potting soil. Just poke holes for drainage. They only last one season, of course, but I’ve grown tomato plants that way.Maureen SlackFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 lots of plants do well this way; they suck up what water they want; a lot of my houseplants are watered like that - Kristen Tarpy herbal remedies Friday, May 31, 2002 7:10 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: growing herbs and veggies I don't know about vegetable plants but, that's how I water my African Violets! Kristen - Ian Shillington N.D. herbal remedies Friday, May 31, 2002 9:11 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: growing herbs and veggies From what I understand, one uses a double bucket system, with the inner one holding the soil and the outer one containing the water so that the soil in the inner sucks the water up from below. Anyone else heard of this. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Maureen Slack herbal remedies Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:16 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: growing herbs and veggies > I've also heard that one can grow organic crops, very successfully in 5> gallon buckets. If anyone has any further data on this...I'd appreciate it.It is possible to grow herbs and veggies right in bags of potting soil. Just poke holes for drainage. They only last one season, of course, but I’ve grown tomato plants that way.Maureen SlackFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 Several systems like this have been developed, many in Israel. I have seen a couple duplicated here in Wyoming, where we have even worse water problems than they do there. More effective than the double bucket system, is what they call " drip irrigation " . This involves running very small quantities of water through tiny pipes about the size of a pencil, with little holes here and there. The danger of the double bucket system is that some plants will absorb too much water. On Fri, 31 May 2002 19:11:41 -0600 " Ian Shillington N.D. " <Dr.IanShillington wrote: Re: [herbal remedies] Re: growing herbs and veggies From what I understand, one uses a double bucket system, with the inner one holding the soil and the outer one containing the water so that the soil in the inner sucks the water up from below. Anyone else heard of this. Love, Doc Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D. 505-772-5889 <A href= " Dr.IanShillington " >Dr.IanShillington</A> - <A title=maureens href= " maureens " >Maureen Slack</A> <A title=herbal remedies href= " herbal remedies " >herbal remedies </A\ > Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:16 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: growing herbs and veggies > I've also heard that one can grow organic crops, very successfully in 5 > gallon buckets. If anyone has any further data on this...I'd appreciate it. It is possible to grow herbs and veggies right in bags of potting soil. Just poke holes for drainage. They only last one season, of course, but I’ve grown tomato plants that way. Maureen Slack Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 What happens when a plant absorbs too much water??? Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Michael Riversong herbal remedies Saturday, June 01, 2002 10:46 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: growing herbs and veggies Several systems like this have been developed, many in Israel. I have seen a couple duplicated here in Wyoming, where we have even worse water problems than they do there.More effective than the double bucket system, is what they call "drip irrigation". This involves running very small quantities of water through tiny pipes about the size of a pencil, with little holes here and there.The danger of the double bucket system is that some plants will absorb too much water.On Fri, 31 May 2002 19:11:41 -0600 "Ian Shillington N.D." <Dr.IanShillington wrote:Re: [herbal remedies] Re: growing herbs and veggies>From what I understand, one uses a double bucket system, with the inner one holding the soil and the outer one containing the water so that the soil in the inner sucks the water up from below.Anyone else heard of this.Love,Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 As opposed to being given too much water??? Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Ian Shillington N.D. herbal remedies Saturday, June 01, 2002 10:54 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: growing herbs and veggies What happens when a plant absorbs too much water??? Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Michael Riversong herbal remedies Saturday, June 01, 2002 10:46 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: growing herbs and veggies Several systems like this have been developed, many in Israel. I have seen a couple duplicated here in Wyoming, where we have even worse water problems than they do there.More effective than the double bucket system, is what they call "drip irrigation". This involves running very small quantities of water through tiny pipes about the size of a pencil, with little holes here and there.The danger of the double bucket system is that some plants will absorb too much water.On Fri, 31 May 2002 19:11:41 -0600 "Ian Shillington N.D." <Dr.IanShillington wrote:Re: [herbal remedies] Re: growing herbs and veggies>From what I understand, one uses a double bucket system, with the inner one holding the soil and the outer one containing the water so that the soil in the inner sucks the water up from below.Anyone else heard of this.Love,Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 > What happens when a plant absorbs too much water??? It will rot and die if it is saturated and the soil does not drain. Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2002 Report Share Posted June 1, 2002 If your plants and veggies are only pulling up what they need then they would grow magnificently. But that would mean not to keep that bottom bucket filled with water, you would have to monitor the plant and fill the bottom when needed. Personally I think a drip line on top and holes in the bottom of the bucket is the way to go. I have my buckets under the soaker hoses that go from one raised bed to the next. That way the water and space is not wasted. Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 This makes sense if the soil was saturated (mud). But what if there was just enough water getting in so that it was being pulled up from the bottom??? Love, Doc PS. This method is supposed to be very successful, but I'd like someone's first hand experience if they have tried it. Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - seifert925 herbal remedies Saturday, June 01, 2002 5:37 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: growing herbs and veggies > What happens when a plant absorbs too much water???It will rot and die if it is saturated and the soil does not drain. Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Thanks Patty. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - seifert925 herbal remedies Saturday, June 01, 2002 8:24 PM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: growing herbs and veggies If your plants and veggies are only pulling up what they need then they would grow magnificently. But that would mean not to keep that bottom bucket filled with water, you would have to monitor the plant and fill the bottom when needed. Personally I think a drip line on top and holes in the bottom of the bucket is the way to go. I have my buckets under the soaker hoses that go from one raised bed to the next. That way the water and space is not wasted. Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 OK Doc this is my .02 cents worth. I have successfully grown many veggies and herbs this way. Take your 5 gal bucket or whatever you are using to have the soil in. I use 5 gal bucket for large and long rooted type plants. But for smaller short rooted plants I have used anything from clay pots to plastic soda pop bottles with the tops cut off. Poke holes in the bottom and add some gravel or small rocks then fill with your soil mix. then place the container in a larger one keeping in mind the height of the root system - you don't want to drown the plants. I usually only fill the water portion to about 1 inch above where I feel the roots of the plant would be - and later in the season as the plant and the roots grow - I fill the container less and less - this encourages long strong roots and that they will not be sitting in mud. I only water when the outside bucket is empty or I notice a reasonable drop in the water level and the soil at the top of the plant is drying out or not wet and soggy. I only water from the top with a weak manure tea about once everyother week or so (when I think about it) I grew things very well for many years this way until I finally got my 10 acres but with the current drought I may go back to doing more of this again. Patricia P.S. Now if I could just come up with a large enough container to grow hay for the horses this year we just might survive this old drought. This makes sense if the soil was saturated (mud). But what if there was just enough water getting in so that it was being pulled up from the bottom??? Love, Doc PS. This method is supposed to be very successful, but I'd like someone's first hand experience if they have tried it. Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 My understanding is that many plants will absorb too much water if given too much. This will upset the balance of turgor pressure inside the plant's circulatory system, meaning that the plant wilts and dies. Turgor pressure is simply the amount of fluid sufficient to keep the plant standing up. On Sat, 1 Jun 2002 10:55:52 -0600 " Ian Shillington N.D. " <Dr.IanShillington wrote: As opposed to being given too much water??? Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D. 505-772-5889 What happens when a plant absorbs too much water??? Love, Doc Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D. 505-772-5889 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Dear Pat, Thank you so much for the data. Looks very good. Of course, we here in NM are in the middle of a horrendous drought ourselves. Valorie and I are lucky in that our 14 acre ranch is at the bottom of a basin where 3 valleys meet and the ground water level is very high all the time. Our well is only 68 ft. deep, but has never gone dry and produces 15 gallons a minute. Eventually, we plan on going the green house route due to our high elevation and our short growing season, but until then I think I'd like to try this 5 gallon bucket method. Again, thanks for the info. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Patricia herbal remedies Sunday, June 02, 2002 12:46 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: growing herbs and veggies OK Doc this is my .02 cents worth. I have successfully grown many veggies and herbs this way. Take your 5 gal bucket or whatever you are using to have the soil in. I use 5 gal bucket for large and long rooted type plants. But for smaller short rooted plants I have used anything from clay pots to plastic soda pop bottles with the tops cut off. Poke holes in the bottom and add some gravel or small rocks then fill with your soil mix. then place the container in a larger one keeping in mind the height of the root system - you don't want to drown the plants. I usually only fill the water portion to about 1 inch above where I feel the roots of the plant would be - and later in the season as the plant and the roots grow - I fill the container less and less - this encourages long strong roots and that they will not be sitting in mud. I only water when the outside bucket is empty or I notice a reasonable drop in the water level and the soil at the top of the plant is drying out or not wet and soggy. I only water from the top with a weak manure tea about once everyother week or so (when I think about it) I grew things very well for many years this way until I finally got my 10 acres but with the current drought I may go back to doing more of this again. Patricia P.S. Now if I could just come up with a large enough container to grow hay for the horses this year we just might survive this old drought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 Great advice! I might use it to enrich the content I can squeeze out of my suburban backyard. Just one thing... " manure tea " ??? Tell me you don't steep it on the stove! *lolol* -ST >OK Doc this is my .02 cents worth. I have successfully grown many veggies >and herbs this way. Take your 5 gal bucket or whatever you are using to ha>ve the soil in. I use 5 gal bucket for large and long rooted type plants. > But for smaller short rooted plants I have used anything from clay pots to> plastic soda pop bottles with the tops cut off. Poke holes in the bottom >and add some gravel or small rocks then fill with your soil mix. then plac>e the container in a larger one keeping in mind the height of the root syst>em - you don't want to drown the plants. I usually only fill the water por>tion to about 1 inch above where I feel the roots of the plant would be - a>nd later in the season as the plant and the roots grow - I fill the contain>er less and less - this encourages long strong roots and that they will not> be sitting in mud. I only water when the outside bucket is empty or I not>ice a reasonable drop in the water level and the soil at the top of the pla>nt is drying out or not wet and soggy. I only water from the top with a wea>k manure tea about once everyother week or so (when I think about it) I gr>ew things very well for many years this way until I finally got my 10 acres> but with the current drought I may go back to doing more of this again. > >Patricia > >P.S. Now if I could just come up with a large enough container to grow hay >for the horses this year we just might survive this old drought. > > > >This makes sense if the soil was saturated (mud). > >But what if there was just enough water getting in so that it was being pul>led up from the bottom??? > >Love, > >Doc > >PS. This method is supposed to be very successful, but I'd like someone's >first hand experience if they have tried it. > >Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D. >505-772-5889 >Dr.IanShillington > > > httpd://www.boredmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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