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Tina,

I don't want to scare the heck out of you. It's probably just teething and it will get better when they come through. Do you remember if the 3-4 hour nights began after

a vaccination? A lot of autistic kids sleep like this but a sleepless baby doesn't mean autism, so don't panic. I would advise not to give him Tylenol or Advil to get him back to sleep. That's what I did for my son(he's 11 and autistic) and it still haunts me to this day. That's a temporary fix but does more harm in the long run. If it doesn't get better after the teeth come in, just be aware of his stages of development.

Have there been any changes in his or your diet(if you're breastfeeding)?

Have you thought about aromatherapy?

I know how tired you are(I still remember those days) and wish I could give you more ideas.

 

It will get better.

Ann

 

 

 

 

 

 

Our son slept really well through his first 3 months. He started teething at 4 months and now at 8 months he has a ton of teeth getting ready to pop through on the top. He already has several teeth through on the bottom. He has only been sleeping for about 3-4 hours at night since he started teething. The pediatrician says there isnt anything wrong with him. He is a super happy baby (which is surprising considering the amount of sleep he doesnt get). I am an older mom (almost 40) and I need my sleep. We have been told to rub Benadryl on his gums which we do but that only calms him down to get him to sleep than he sleeps a couple hours and right back up he comes.

 

Anyone have any suggestions???? I am about to tear all my hair out and I just really really need a good nights sleep. Good thing I only work part time as I could never work full-time with a baby doing this....

 

thanks for any advice.

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Maybe you could send him to Grandma's for a night or two of sleep? When he wakes up what do you do? That may be more the problem than anything else.

 

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[herbal remedies] Non sleeping baby at 8 months

Our son slept really well through his first 3 months. He started teething at 4 months and now at 8 months he has a ton of teeth getting ready to pop through on the top. He already has several teeth through on the bottom. He has only been sleeping for about 3-4 hours at night since he started teething. The pediatrician says there isnt anything wrong with him. He is a super happy baby (which is surprising considering the amount of sleep he doesnt get). I am an older mom (almost 40) and I need my sleep. We have been told to rub Benadryl on his gums which we do but that only calms him down to get him to sleep than he sleeps a couple hours and right back up he comes. Anyone have any suggestions???? I am about to tear all my hair out and I just really really need a good nights sleep. Good thing I only work part time as I could never work full-time with a baby doing this....thanks for any advice.tina ____Get Paid... With Your Free Email athttp://www.zwallet.com/index.html?user=jetiduncan1Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Our son slept really well through his first 3 months. He started teething at 4

months and now at 8 months he has a ton of teeth getting ready to pop through on

the top. He already has several teeth through on the bottom. He has only been

sleeping for about 3-4 hours at night since he started teething. The

pediatrician says there isnt anything wrong with him. He is a super happy baby

(which is surprising considering the amount of sleep he doesnt get). I am an

older mom (almost 40) and I need my sleep. We have been told to rub Benadryl on

his gums which we do but that only calms him down to get him to sleep than he

sleeps a couple hours and right back up he comes.

 

Anyone have any suggestions???? I am about to tear all my hair out and I just

really really need a good nights sleep. Good thing I only work part time as I

could never work full-time with a baby doing this....

 

thanks for any advice.

tina

 

 

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Tina,

 

You bring back many memories. My two children are 12 and 14 now but

neither of them slept through the night for a very long time. I used

to take them to bed with me, that helped a lot, and during the bad

teething I let them nurse as often as they needed to. That also

helped. Although they didn't sleep through the night, at least they

were in bed with me and I was able to get some sleep. It's a very

difficult time, but you will live through it. Wish I could be more

helpful but babies do that. There are two books that were very

helpful in helping me to understand why babies do this.

" Touching " , by Ashley Montagu and " Nighttime Parenting " , by Dr. Sears

Not sure I would have kept my sanity if it wasn't for those books and

their perspective. Good luck.

 

Cathy

 

 

 

 

herbal remedies, Tina D Duncan <jetiduncan1@z...> wrote:

> Our son slept really well through his first 3 months. He started

teething at 4 months and now at 8 months he has a ton of teeth

getting ready to pop through on the top. He already has several

teeth through on the bottom. He has only been sleeping for about 3-4

hours at night since he started teething. The pediatrician says

there isnt anything wrong with him. He is a super happy baby (which

is surprising considering the amount of sleep he doesnt get). I am an

older mom (almost 40) and I need my sleep. We have been told to rub

Benadryl on his gums which we do but that only calms him down to get

him to sleep than he sleeps a couple hours and right back up he

comes.

>

> Anyone have any suggestions???? I am about to tear all my hair out

and I just really really need a good nights sleep. Good thing I only

work part time as I could never work full-time with a baby doing

this....

>

> thanks for any advice.

> tina

>

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my kids didn't sleep well either, but it was because when they woke up I did things for them. As soon as I started working hard on not being "fun" in the night it got better. Although to this day I think I've only had 2 weeks of nights where I've (and the kids) have slept through the night and they are almost 4 and 7 now. You get used to it.

 

Try just keeping it very low key and must do activity in the night. Dim lighting, soft voice, change the diaper, feeding (whatever he really needs) and then right back to bed. NO playing or cooing, if you can just lay him back down and let him go to sleep on his own it may help. I'm not so sure about the "bring them to bed theory". I did that with my oldest and now at 7years old she wakes me up two or three times a night to ask if she can get into bed with us. Long term that hasn't really gotten me any good sleep.

 

Lynnette

 

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Tina,You bring back many memories. My two children are 12 and 14 now but neither of them slept through the night for a very long time. I used to take them to bed with me, that helped a lot, and during the bad teething I let them nurse as often as they needed to. That also helped. Although they didn't sleep through the night, at least they were in bed with me and I was able to get some sleep. It's a very difficult time, but you will live through it. Wish I could be more helpful but babies do that. There are two books that were very helpful in helping me to understand why babies do this."Touching", by Ashley Montagu and "Nighttime Parenting", by Dr. SearsNot sure I would have kept my sanity if it wasn't for those books and their perspective. Good luck. Cathyherbal remedies, Tina D Duncan <jetiduncan1@z...> wrote:> Our son slept really well through his first 3 months. He started teething at 4 months and now at 8 months he has a ton of teeth getting ready to pop through on the top. He already has several teeth through on the bottom. He has only been sleeping for about 3-4 hours at night since he started teething. The pediatrician says there isnt anything wrong with him. He is a super happy baby (which is surprising considering the amount of sleep he doesnt get). I am an older mom (almost 40) and I need my sleep. We have been told to rub Benadryl on his gums which we do but that only calms him down to get him to sleep than he sleeps a couple hours and right back up he comes. > > Anyone have any suggestions???? I am about to tear all my hair out and I just really really need a good nights sleep. Good thing I only work part time as I could never work full-time with a baby doing this....> > thanks for any advice.> tina > > > ____> Get Paid... With Your Free Email at> http://www.zwallet.com/index.html?user=jetiduncan1Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Not even sure i like the Benadryl, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

 

With our boy, we found that nothing really worked well. Rose says she hasn't

slept in 2 years. Sometimes chamomile would work before bedtime, but not

completely. And of course if there's a stomach upset fennel tincture works

great, but we hardly ever see that problem.

 

Guess from here, all we can do is offer some sympathy. Kids, especially

infants, tend to confound the best knowledge we have.

 

On Sat, 25 May 2002 22:00:48 -0500 (CDT) Tina D Duncan <jetiduncan1

wrote:

 

Our son slept really well through his first 3 months. He started teething at 4

months and now at 8 months he has a ton of teeth getting ready to pop through on

the top. He already has several teeth through on the bottom. He has only been

sleeping for about 3-4 hours at night since he started teething. The

pediatrician says there isnt anything wrong with him. He is a super happy baby

(which is surprising considering the amount of sleep he doesnt get). I am an

older mom (almost 40) and I need my sleep. We have been told to rub Benadryl on

his gums which we do but that only calms him down to get him to sleep than he

sleeps a couple hours and right back up he comes.

 

Anyone have any suggestions???? I am about to tear all my hair out and I just

really really need a good nights sleep. Good thing I only work part time as I

could never work full-time with a baby doing this....

 

thanks for any advice.

tina

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herbal remedies, Tina D Duncan <jetiduncan1@z...> wrote:

> Our son slept really well through his first 3 months. He started

teething at 4 months and now at 8 months he has a ton of teeth

getting ready to pop through on the top. He already has several

teeth through on the bottom. He has only been sleeping for about 3-4

hours at night since he started teething. The pediatrician says

there isnt anything wrong with him. He is a super happy baby (which

is surprising considering the amount of sleep he doesnt get). I am an

older mom (almost 40) and I need my sleep. We have been told to rub

Benadryl on his gums

 

 

Tina, I'm not sure what Benadryl you're using but the ones I'm

familiar with use all caps in the warning, FOR EXTERNAL USE ONLY, it

also warns against contact with the eyes. I'm not sure that putting

this on your childs gums is a good idea. We used " Baby Oragel " , a

benzocaine formula,when our daughter was teething. We also had great

success with homeopathics. There are a lot of formulas for children,

our favorite was Highlands teething formula. At 8 months you should

still be careful with botanicals. Keep your eye out for other sources

of discomfort. Whenever our daughter was ready to cut a tooth she had

a bout of scalding urine. It was easy to spot on a little girl,

perhaps not the case with little boys.

 

Good luck,

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I know its not Herbal but we always used a product called Bonjella. It numbed the gums and worked miracles to calm Dads nerves.

 

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Saturday, May 25, 2002 8:00 PM

[herbal remedies] Non sleeping baby at 8 months

Our son slept really well through his first 3 months. He started teething at 4 months and now at 8 months he has a ton of teeth getting ready to pop through on the top. He already has several teeth through on the bottom. He has only been sleeping for about 3-4 hours at night since he started teething. The pediatrician says there isnt anything wrong with him. He is a super happy baby (which is surprising considering the amount of sleep he doesnt get). I am an older mom (almost 40) and I need my sleep. We have been told to rub Benadryl on his gums which we do but that only calms him down to get him to sleep than he sleeps a couple hours and right back up he comes. Anyone have any suggestions???? I am about to tear all my hair out and I just really really need a good nights sleep. Good thing I only work part time as I could never work full-time with a baby doing this....thanks for any advice.tina ____Get Paid... With Your Free Email athttp://www.zwallet.com/index.html?user=jetiduncan1Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Dont take your baby to bed with you, Many a parent have smothered thier baby to death by doing this

 

Tom.

 

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I know its not Herbal but we always used a product called Bonjella. It numbed the gums and worked miracles to calm Dads nerves.

 

Tom

 

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Saturday, May 25, 2002 8:00 PM

[herbal remedies] Non sleeping baby at 8 months

Our son slept really well through his first 3 months. He started teething at 4 months and now at 8 months he has a ton of teeth getting ready to pop through on the top. He already has several teeth through on the bottom. He has only been sleeping for about 3-4 hours at night since he started teething. The pediatrician says there isnt anything wrong with him. He is a super happy baby (which is surprising considering the amount of sleep he doesnt get). I am an older mom (almost 40) and I need my sleep. We have been told to rub Benadryl on his gums which we do but that only calms him down to get him to sleep than he sleeps a couple hours and right back up he comes. Anyone have any suggestions???? I am about to tear all my hair out and I just really really need a good nights sleep. Good thing I only work part time as I could never work full-time with a baby doing this....thanks for any advice.tina ____Get Paid... With Your Free Email athttp://www.zwallet.com/index.html?user=jetiduncan1Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Oh, come on, that's pure bull feathers! Where is your list of cases?

 

It has happened, but only where one or both parents was morbidly obese AND were

taking drugs.

 

We've been over this dozens of times on other lists. It is so rare, it is

extremely difficult to find an actual case. In the majority of cultures

world-wide, parents sleep with their infants. White-bread Americans are an

aberration, in having infants sleep in other beds or even other rooms. The

majority of people world-wide, throughout history, have not been able to AFFORD

an infant bed or another room for an infant. If your statement were true, our

planet's complement of human inhabitants would be a lot smaller than it is now.

 

On Mon, 27 May 2002 08:23:40 -0700 Victim <tom wrote:

 

 

Dont take your baby to bed with you, Many a parent

have smothered thier baby to death by doing this

 

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Funny how I would stumble on this after having been gone for so long...

 

Michael is right. Thousands of children in the USA have died from abuse,

neglect, and let's not forget, SIDS<--that's leaving an infant alone in a

room and their very own crib (there are other mitigating factors involved in

SIDS, but no supervision is utmost.) There's a huge amount of material on

the benefits of co-sleeping. If anyone would like that info, email me off

list.

 

What has worked for my 12 month old, now actively teething, has been the

Highlands Teething tablets and nursing on demand. Giving her things to chew

on when she doesn't forage for herself (she's the youngest of 3, the oldest

being 11, and leggos seem to be her favorite) and lots of mommy/baby time,

including co-sleeping.

 

There's also lacto-based homeopathic chamomile.

 

Mama, make sure you are eating very well and getting enough water. This

time is tough, but it too will pass... then your baby's walking and that's a

whole nother problem!!!

Robin

 

> Mon, 27 May 2002 14:04:09 -0700

> Michael Riversong<rivedu

> Re: Non sleeping baby at 8 months

>

> Oh, come on, that's pure bull feathers! Where is your list of cases?

>

> It has happened, but only where one or both parents was morbidly obese AND

> were taking drugs.

>

> We've been over this dozens of times on other lists. It is so rare, it is

> extremely difficult to find an actual case. In the majority of cultures

> world-wide, parents sleep with their infants. White-bread Americans are an

> aberration, in having infants sleep in other beds or even other rooms. The

> majority of people world-wide, throughout history, have not been able to

> AFFORD an infant bed or another room for an infant. If your statement were

> true, our planet's complement of human inhabitants would be a lot smaller than

> it is now.

>

> On Mon, 27 May 2002 08:23:40 -0700 Victim <tom wrote:

>

>

> Dont take your baby to bed with you, Many a parent

> have smothered thier baby to death by doing this

>  

> Tom.

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Just as I was reading this " Dont take your baby to bed with you, Many

a parent

> > have smothered thier baby to death by doing this

> >

> > Tom. "

 

they were talking about co sleeping on the news, they said something

like 60 babys a year in the US die this way. well that is NOTHING

compared to how may are killed from vaccination reactions! I haven't

seen a new report against THAT yet! there are probably several

times that 60 who are DAMAGED from vaccinations DAILY (look at the

drastic sid increase since vax " mandates " )!!!!

 

I would put my kids to slep in their own bed but once they woke up

they came in with me. Only problems any of them have had a from

vaccinations and as far as being obese, I topped out at about 300

after my 3rd was born but I still knew when i rolled or even moved

slightly for that matter.

I'd be willing to bet of those 60, 55 or more of the parents were

intoxicated in some form wether alchohol, OTC drugs, prescriptions or

illegal ones.

 

The way ialways assured I wouldn't roll on tehm and hubby wouldn't,

was to have them sleeping in the crook of my arm , I was in a

possition that I COULDN'T roll toward them and hubby would just bump

my arm if he rolled toward them.

 

I mean it is good i think for mom and dad to have " their space " for a

while but mothers shouldn't be scared into trying to sit up with the

baby half the night! I tried sitting up ONCE with my first son, I

fell asleep in the rocking chair and almost droped him onto the

cement floor hen he was like 3 days old. FORGET THAT!!! after that in

bed with mommy was the place to be! :o)

 

I second the coment about alone in their own bed in their own room

NOT being althat safe! at least in bed you feeel them fighting if a

blanket hapens to cover their face! cant do that when they are alone

i another room!

ok enough from me! it just bugs me when people jump i with a little

comment and no support to it. I mean if tom had said his kid died

this way ok maybe some merit to it for him but just spitting it

out?! bugs me!!!!!!

 

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I read the thread on this topic and would like to say that all four of

our children were family bed babies. The worst thing that happened was

Dad got a few hickies late at night. Each child decided they wanted

their own bed around 20 to 22 months and only wanted back in our bed

when they weren't feeling well.

We were very happy with this arrangement as none of the children

wanted pacifiers or needed a comfort toy or blanket.

For teething I would give the babies a thigh bone of a chicken of a

chicken to chew on. Nothing can break off to choke once the cartilage

on the ends were removed. A frozen carrot was also helpful to cool the

teething pain.

If the pain was really bad, a tiny bit of brandy rubbed on the gums

helped. This amount is only what you put on your finger and rub on.

As always, this is just what worked well for us.

Roxanne

 

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Hi,

 

I just joined this group a few days ago when I found out about this group.

 

I live in the United Kingdom, but am Dutch from origin.

 

We gave our son a regular dose of a Calcium-Magnesium mix, which helped him

a lot with the teething pain. According to Adele Davis, from her book " Let's

have healthy children " , calcium is a very under-utilized painkiller, and

works wonders. Magnesium helps to relax, so this is a good combination for

any such problems.

 

We also had our son sleep with us when he was disturbed. I think that as

long as you don't make this a habit, it can do no harm at all. Even now, our

son is 4, when he's disturbed he likes to cuddle with us in bed, and then

quite happily goes to his own bed after a while to sleep. I also was very

aware of him sleeping with us, and his slightest move would wake me to

ensure his safety.

 

Hope this helps?

 

Regards,

Lisa Belcher

Sunderland UK

 

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> I read the thread on this topic and would like to say that all four of

> our children were family bed babies. The worst thing that happened was

> Dad got a few hickies late at night. Each child decided they wanted

> their own bed around 20 to 22 months and only wanted back in our bed

> when they weren't feeling well.

> We were very happy with this arrangement as none of the children

> wanted pacifiers or needed a comfort toy or blanket.

> For teething I would give the babies a thigh bone of a chicken of a

> chicken to chew on. Nothing can break off to choke once the cartilage

> on the ends were removed. A frozen carrot was also helpful to cool the

> teething pain.

> If the pain was really bad, a tiny bit of brandy rubbed on the gums

> helped. This amount is only what you put on your finger and rub on.

> As always, this is just what worked well for us.

> Roxanne

>

> Roxanne J. Brown

> Elemental Clay

> http://www.cloudnet.com/~elemclay/

> " One does not learn by speaking "

>

>

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and

to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long

as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any

person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington

>

>

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Hey Lisa. Welcome to the list.

Love,

Doc

 

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Wednesday, May 29, 2002 4:13 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Non sleeping baby at 8 months

Hi,I just joined this group a few days ago when I found out about this group.I live in the United Kingdom, but am Dutch from origin.We gave our son a regular dose of a Calcium-Magnesium mix, which helped hima lot with the teething pain. According to Adele Davis, from her book "Let'shave healthy children", calcium is a very under-utilized painkiller, andworks wonders. Magnesium helps to relax, so this is a good combination forany such problems.We also had our son sleep with us when he was disturbed. I think that aslong as you don't make this a habit, it can do no harm at all. Even now, ourson is 4, when he's disturbed he likes to cuddle with us in bed, and thenquite happily goes to his own bed after a while to sleep. I also was veryaware of him sleeping with us, and his slightest move would wake me toensure his safety.Hope this helps?Regards,Lisa BelcherSunderland UK

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Thanks Doc!

Lisa

 

 

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Wednesday, May 29, 2002 11:23 PM

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Hey Lisa. Welcome to the list.

Love,

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

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Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Non sleeping baby at 8 months

Hi,I just joined this group a few days ago when I found out about this group.I live in the United Kingdom, but am Dutch from origin.We gave our son a regular dose of a Calcium-Magnesium mix, which helped hima lot with the teething pain. According to Adele Davis, from her book "Let'shave healthy children", calcium is a very under-utilized painkiller, andworks wonders. Magnesium helps to relax, so this is a good combination forany such problems.We also had our son sleep with us when he was disturbed. I think that aslong as you don't make this a habit, it can do no harm at all. Even now, ourson is 4, when he's disturbed he likes to cuddle with us in bed, and thenquite happily goes to his own bed after a while to sleep. I also was veryaware of him sleeping with us, and his slightest move would wake me toensure his safety.Hope this helps?Regards,Lisa BelcherSunderland UKFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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