Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 Not sure what the original topic line was about but thought I'd jump in. My 11 year old daughter has ODD, and trust me she is very different from other kids her age. We have already dealt with her running away, cussing at teachers, stealing, lying etc. She's been kicked out of two schools and doesn't have a lot of friends. She is a bright and funny child who just has no self control and a terrible temper. On the natural note, she also suffers terrible allergies...at which times her behavior gets much worse. So we are trying to explore that route as well as getting her couseling. ODD is a very real disorder that leaves parents feeling frustrated and kids feeling out of control. I have four children and only one with ODD, and thats a very real thing. People who first meet or hear about her always say "oh she's just being a kid", until they actually spend time with her. For whoever was looking for help regarding ODD my best advice is to get couseling, get a support group and look into external causes for the outbursts (ie allergies etc). Its a tough road raising an ODD child but most of them find themselves and a happy medium as they reach adulthood. Good luck! Juliet doting mom to : Savannah age 11 our beautiful flutist Kyla forever four, our darling dancer Braelyn age 3, our singer Jack 4 months, our nightowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 In a message dated 5/20/02 10:53:25 AM Mountain Daylight Time, rivedu writes: Also, as musical competence emerges, sometimes defiance will subside on its own. Anything that encourages musical competence will help, because then the child will have another outlet besides doing things that simply aggravate adults. Wow I found your email to be quite enlighteneing, especially this last paragraph. My daughter (with ODD) took up the flute this past year and amazing just excels at it (this is the kid that would never follow through with anything). Her music teacher is in awe and thinks this may just be the thing to help her into her adult life. You also mentioned how you said the wrong things to classmates and that too describes my daughter to a "T". She is extreme artistic but on the social front she seems to be at the level of about a 4 year old. Thanks for your insights on ODD kids. I have a very open mind because if its one thing I have learned with my daughter is there is no way we will ever make her square peg fit into societies round hole.. Juliet doting mom to : Savannah age 11 our beautiful flutist Kyla forever four, our darling dancer always in our hearts Braelyn age 3, our singer and silly one Jack 5 months, mommy's snuggle bug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 It isn't that i might be trying to minimize a problem that a child may be having. What i object to is the fact that this labeling occurs as if it were scientific, which it clearly is not. Furthermore, these labels are often used by counselors as a springboard for trying to push very dangerous drugs on children, and i strenuously object to that. But yes, there are problem children, there always have been, and there always will be in this world. It is partly the nature of this world. I have often noticed how many problem children are artistic. That's a big thing. Those of us who are artistic, have a strong drive to make sure we communicate to others. I know, i was a problem child -- well behaved toward adults, but my problems manifested in drawing the absolute hatred of all my classmates and being emotionally unstable. I would have been a prime candidate for drugs if they had existed at that time. Let's look a little closer at the artistic nature. In my case, i communicated things to my classmates that were simply not acceptable. It took a long time to figure out what was acceptable, and even now sometimes i screw up. Other kids will have the same problem, but take it in a different direction. In those cases, anguished communication will be directed at the adults in the vicinity, as it may be the perception that these are the source of all problems in life. One of the " cures " for that type of defiance has classically been to get the child involved in volunteer activities. Pick a cause that the child has already expressed some affinity for, and get her into a group that DOES something. This can be difficult in itself, as volunteer organizations have withered away in many places. I know that working on some political campaigns at the age of 12 really helped a lot. Also, as musical competence emerges, sometimes defiance will subside on its own. Anything that encourages musical competence will help, because then the child will have another outlet besides doing things that simply aggravate adults. On Mon, 20 May 2002 12:33:42 EDT Ma2AngelKyla wrote: Not sure what the original topic line was about but thought I'd jump in. My 11 year old daughter has ODD, and trust me she is very different from other kids her age. We have already dealt with her running away, cussing at teachers, stealing, lying etc. She's been kicked out of two schools and doesn't have a lot of friends. She is a bright and funny child who just has no self control and a terrible temper. On the natural note, she also suffers terrible allergies...at which times her behavior gets much worse. So we are trying to explore that route as well as getting her couseling. ODD is a very real disorder that leaves parents feeling frustrated and kids feeling out of control. I have four children and only one with ODD, and thats a very real thing. People who first meet or hear about her always say " oh she's just being a kid " , until they actually spend time with her. For whoever was looking for help regarding ODD my best advice is to get couseling, get a support group and look into external causes for the outbursts (ie allergies etc). Its a tough road raising an ODD child but most of them find themselves and a happy medium as they reach adulthood. Good luck! Juliet doting mom to : Savannah age 11 our beautiful flutist Kyla forever four, our darling dancer Braelyn age 3, our singer Jack 4 months, our nightowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2002 Report Share Posted May 20, 2002 Hi, I don't have children but, as a child I had a friend who was "hyper-active" and his Mom put him on a strick diet. He couldn't eat anything with preservative, additives, artificial coloring, and sugars. I don't know what the time frame was, but, I do remember that his behavior changed considerably. I am 35 and he is about 32 and still eats whole and organic foods, doesn't drink sodas, and plays Lacrosse. I think that diet plays a very large role in "hyper-active" children. I think they are just so much more sensative to all the "garbage" that is in foods now a days. Well, that is just my observation and I hope that maybe I shed some light on this. Take care, Kristen - Ma2AngelKyla herbal remedies Monday, May 20, 2002 12:33 PM Re: [herbal remedies] help/ODD Not sure what the original topic line was about but thought I'd jump in. My 11 year old daughter has ODD, and trust me she is very different from other kids her age. We have already dealt with her running away, cussing at teachers, stealing, lying etc. She's been kicked out of two schools and doesn't have a lot of friends. She is a bright and funny child who just has no self control and a terrible temper. On the natural note, she also suffers terrible allergies...at which times her behavior gets much worse. So we are trying to explore that route as well as getting her couseling. ODD is a very real disorder that leaves parents feeling frustrated and kids feeling out of control. I have four children and only one with ODD, and thats a very real thing. People who first meet or hear about her always say "oh she's just being a kid", until they actually spend time with her. For whoever was looking for help regarding ODD my best advice is to get couseling, get a support group and look into external causes for the outbursts (ie allergies etc). Its a tough road raising an ODD child but most of them find themselves and a happy medium as they reach adulthood. Good luck! Juliet doting mom to : Savannah age 11 our beautiful flutist Kyla forever four, our darling dancer Braelyn age 3, our singer Jack 4 months, our nightowl Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2002 Report Share Posted May 21, 2002 thanks kristen i think that is good advice along with everything else that was offered; thanks to everyone - Kristen Tarpy herbal remedies Monday, May 20, 2002 3:41 PM Re: [herbal remedies] help/ODD Hi, I don't have children but, as a child I had a friend who was "hyper-active" and his Mom put him on a strick diet. He couldn't eat anything with preservative, additives, artificial coloring, and sugars. I don't know what the time frame was, but, I do remember that his behavior changed considerably. I am 35 and he is about 32 and still eats whole and organic foods, doesn't drink sodas, and plays Lacrosse. I think that diet plays a very large role in "hyper-active" children. I think they are just so much more sensative to all the "garbage" that is in foods now a days. Well, that is just my observation and I hope that maybe I shed some light on this. Take care, Kristen - Ma2AngelKyla herbal remedies Monday, May 20, 2002 12:33 PM Re: [herbal remedies] help/ODD Not sure what the original topic line was about but thought I'd jump in. My 11 year old daughter has ODD, and trust me she is very different from other kids her age. We have already dealt with her running away, cussing at teachers, stealing, lying etc. She's been kicked out of two schools and doesn't have a lot of friends. She is a bright and funny child who just has no self control and a terrible temper. On the natural note, she also suffers terrible allergies...at which times her behavior gets much worse. So we are trying to explore that route as well as getting her couseling. ODD is a very real disorder that leaves parents feeling frustrated and kids feeling out of control. I have four children and only one with ODD, and thats a very real thing. People who first meet or hear about her always say "oh she's just being a kid", until they actually spend time with her. For whoever was looking for help regarding ODD my best advice is to get couseling, get a support group and look into external causes for the outbursts (ie allergies etc). Its a tough road raising an ODD child but most of them find themselves and a happy medium as they reach adulthood. Good luck! Juliet doting mom to : Savannah age 11 our beautiful flutist Kyla forever four, our darling dancer Braelyn age 3, our singer Jack 4 months, our nightowl Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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