Ouch...oh, oooh, ah,....eek....arrgh!

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The subject line says it all.

 

Hey, I'm 24 and I work a majorly butt-spreadin' job, so I decided that I

ought to do something to get some actual exercise on a regular basis.

Sure, I've been taking Tai Chi once a week for some time now, but Tai Chi

ain't exactly a decathalon, you know?

 

So I let my sister-in-law talk me into kickboxing, three times a week.

Last night was my third time--Can anybody say, " Agony " ? The sad part is,

*I'm* in fairly good shape, or I thought so; you can't imagine how sore

my poor sis-in-law is! In any case, I thought that I'd be sore after the

first time and then get progressively looser and more comfortable

(apparently this proves that Sara knows doo about aerobics), but it's

only gotten worse!

 

So my question, I think, is obvious: What can I do so that I can

*move*?? I'm in pain in places I didn't know there were muscles; even

walking is like trying to maneuver a badly rusted marionnette while being

repeatedly cattle-prodded at high voltage. If that made no sense, it's

because I think my brain is rebelling from the situation. Any help would

be phenomenal!

 

Oof ouch,

Sara T.

 

P.S. If anybody has a second to answer a bonus question...My dog

accidentally nicked me a good one with her teeth when we were playing

yesterday. (She's a big dog.) Is there any special way I should clean

out the gouges, besides peroxide and a band-aid? Thanks again!

 

When you have nothing better to do, visit Bored.com at http://www.bored.com

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>

> So I let my sister-in-law talk me into kickboxing, three times a week.

> Last night was my third time--Can anybody say, " Agony " ? The sad part is,

> *I'm* in fairly good shape, or I thought so; you can't imagine how sore

> my poor sis-in-law is! In any case, I thought that I'd be sore after the

> first time and then get progressively looser and more comfortable

> (apparently this proves that Sara knows doo about aerobics), but it's

> only gotten worse!

 

First make sure you are fully warmed up. secondly after your kickboxing

session do some tai chi to cool down.

 

Later at home do a bit more taichi to allow you muscles to move and be warm.

(what you can do is you taichi movements a bit faster follwed by slower

movements.

 

Yoga also will assist.

 

I developed a movement program which would stop those pains, if they are

muscular, but not something I could teach you over the net.

 

Since I have just returned from 15 years in the orient, I am still in

production to bring that into a teaching format which could be more widely

distributed.

 

As of now, anyone would need to come to Athens GA.

 

>

>

> So my question, I think, is obvious: What can I do so that I can

> *move*?? I'm in pain in places I didn't know there were muscles; even

> walking is like trying to maneuver a badly rusted marionnette while being

> repeatedly cattle-prodded at high voltage. If that made no sense, it's

> because I think my brain is rebelling from the situation. Any help would

> be phenomenal!

 

If you are in pain in places where you do not have muscles, it is also

possible you have done a bit of tendon and ligament damage. This often

happens when we go from seditary to " let's kick some butt " mode in our

exercise.

 

There are some topical creams with MSM and something else in them. You can

find them at a local pharmacy or even a big supermarket like Krogers.

 

Try stepping down your kickboxing a bit (go for 50%) for the next month to

45 days and see if that does not help.

 

If the pain does not go away, you need to see an othopedist to check for any

arthritic condition in your joints.

 

I am giving some things to look at, since there is really not enough

information for me to work with here.

 

but try some of those things and see what you find.

 

Also, treat yourself with a bit of respect.

 

Zip

 

The Dragonmaster

Heaven on Earth

 

dragonmasterzip

 

He who rules truly serves and she who serves truly rules.

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Regarding the dog...peroxide it several times a day. I got cabit and clawed one time (at the vets) and he told me do it as often as I think about it but at least several times a day and it will heal and no scars.... he was right....

Suzi

tv_is_a_drug wrote: The subject line says it all.Hey, I'm 24 and I work a majorly butt-spreadin' job, so I decided that Iought to do something to get some actual exercise on a regular basis.Sure, I've been taking Tai Chi once a week for some time now, but Tai Chi ain't exactly a decathalon, you know?So I let my sister-in-law talk me into kickboxing, three times a week.Last night was my third time--Can anybody say, "Agony"? The sad part is, *I'm* in fairly good shape, or I thought so; you can't imagine how soremy poor sis-in-law is! In any case, I thought that I'd be sore after the first time and then get progressively looser and more comfortable(apparently this proves that Sara knows doo about aerobics), but it'sonly gotten worse!So my question, I think, is obvious: What can I do so that I can*move*?? I'm in pain in places I didn't know there were muscles; evenwalking is like trying to maneuver a badly rusted marionnette while being repeatedly cattle-prodded at high voltage. If that made no sense, it'sbecause I think my brain is rebelling from the situation. Any help would be phenomenal!Oof ouch,Sara T.P.S. If anybody has a second to answer a bonus question...My dogaccidentally nicked me a good one with her teeth when we were playingyesterday. (She's a big dog.) Is there any special way I should cleanout the gouges, besides peroxide and a band-aid? Thanks again!When you have nothing better to do, visit Bored.com at http://www.bored.com

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Dancing is a universal exercise, suitable for all body types. You also have

little potential of hurting someone else. It is better to work with more

traditional dance music, including swing, Israeli, Roumanian, Flamenco, West

African, and Country. Disco is specifically not recommended, because the

injury rate is high. That has to do with certain elements in the music.

Some people dance to Rap, but again there are negative factors to consider.

I don't know much about dancing to Reggae -- i know it's done a lot in

Jamaica, but have not heard anything about injury rates. So if anyone has

been in groups that dance to Reggae, let me know.

 

If a bite wound is infected, tobacco will stop the infection in most cases.

 

At 03:04 PM 4/19/02 GMT, you wrote:

>The subject line says it all.

>

>Hey, I'm 24 and I work a majorly butt-spreadin' job, so I decided that I

>ought to do something to get some actual exercise on a regular basis.

>Sure, I've been taking Tai Chi once a week for some time now, but Tai Chi

>ain't exactly a decathalon, you know?

>

>So I let my sister-in-law talk me into kickboxing, three times a week.

>Last night was my third time--Can anybody say, " Agony " ? The sad part is,

>*I'm* in fairly good shape, or I thought so; you can't imagine how sore

>my poor sis-in-law is! In any case, I thought that I'd be sore after the

>first time and then get progressively looser and more comfortable

>(apparently this proves that Sara knows doo about aerobics), but it's

>only gotten worse!

>

>So my question, I think, is obvious: What can I do so that I can

>*move*?? I'm in pain in places I didn't know there were muscles; even

>walking is like trying to maneuver a badly rusted marionnette while being

>repeatedly cattle-prodded at high voltage. If that made no sense, it's

>because I think my brain is rebelling from the situation. Any help would

>be phenomenal!

>

>Oof ouch,

>Sara T.

>

>P.S. If anybody has a second to answer a bonus question...My dog

>accidentally nicked me a good one with her teeth when we were playing

>yesterday. (She's a big dog.) Is there any special way I should clean

>out the gouges, besides peroxide and a band-aid? Thanks again!

>

[Guest guest]

Sara,

 

If you are trying to lose fat, there are some new things which have been

learned about exercise and fat burning.

 

Aerobic exercise is not very good at burning fat. Mainly any exercise which

has you do things for a long period of time, first go to your liver and pull

out glycogen reserves stored there (this is after you burn up what ever

blood sugar you have in your blood stream).

 

Once these reserves are burned usually the body will then go the the muscles

themselves and break down actual muscle tissue (ever wonder why those

marathon guys all look like a bag of bones?).

 

Recent research was testing different exercise. They were actually looking

at what it did to the heart, but were taking all sorts of side measures (one

of them was total body fat).

 

They learned that very rapid exercise done for a very short period of time

(do please warm up first with some slower more aerobic sorts of exercise but

only about 5 minutes or so), will cause you to burn more fat than long

amounts of aerobic exercise which might have burned more calories!

 

They are still not sure why but the prevailing theory is when you are doing

very fast exercise (this is running like the tiger is about to chew that

deliciously meaty butt you are hauling around), you burn the glucose in your

blood stream quickly and the body them thinks it is in a Dangerous situation

(see Tiger).

 

since it takes time for the body to convert the Glycogen in your liver into

Glucose (the fuel we use), it looks for a faster simpler supply. This is

where your fat stores come in.

 

Fat can be converted to glucose in a single step. Teh heat from the rapid

exercise heats the fat and makes it more liquid (actually they think part of

it heat up enough to be in the form of liquid fat (like the hot grease in

your frying pan). This fat can be then used right away to replace teh

depleted Glucose.

 

Rapid exercise means: going as fast as you can until your muscles start

breaking down and not moving correctly. if you last more than 3 minutes, you

are not going fast enough.

 

Once you ahve done a cycle of this sort of exercise, slow down and move your

arms around, sort of doing stretching exercises and cooling down. Once you

have caught your breath, do another burst of rapid.

 

The scientists found you could burn more fat with only 2 or 3 of these sorts

of exercise bursts done 3 times a week than you would doing 40 minutes of

slower, but still aerobic exerices 4 times a week.

 

I know it flies in the face of the must exercise 24 hours a day and 27 on

Sunday school of thought.

 

It also seems to improve some of the hormone levels and be even better for

the heart than the slower longer forms of exercise.

 

Zip

 

The Dragonmaster

Heaven on Earth

 

dragonmasterzip

 

He who rules truly serves and she who serves truly rules.

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Hi SaraSorry to hear that you are in such pain - and to think that you voluntarily did this to yourself too... Whenever I have exercised myself to agony (which isn't very often!) I have found that taking warm/hot baths can help to relax those really painful areas. And generally I wrap up my body and try to keep as warm as possible to help with the healing.

Gentle swimming may also help!

Otherwise... are you sure that Kick-boxing is your sport? It strikes me as being dreadfully violence and lacking harmony!

Good luck and get well soon!Yvonne

 

At 03:04 PM 4/19/02 GMT, you wrote:>The subject line says it all.>>Hey, I'm 24 and I work a majorly butt-spreadin' job, so I decided that I>ought to do something to get some actual exercise on a regular basis.>Sure, I've been taking Tai Chi once a week for some time now, but Tai Chi >ain't exactly a decathalon, you know?>>So I let my sister-in-law talk me into kickboxing, three times a week.>Last night was my third time--Can anybody say, "Agony"? The sad part is, >*I'm* in fairly good shape, or I thought so; you can't imagine how sore>my poor sis-in-law is! In any case, I thought that I'd be sore after the >first time and then get progressively looser and more comfortable>(apparently this proves that Sara knows doo about aerobics), but it's>only gotten worse!>>So my question, I think, is obvious: What can I do so that I can>*move*?? I'm in pain in places I didn't know there were muscles; even>walking is like trying to maneuver a badly rusted marionnette while being >repeatedly cattle-prodded at high voltage. If that made no sense, it's>because I think my brain is rebelling from the situation. Any help would >be phenomenal!>>Oof ouch,>Sara T.>>P.S. If anybody has a second to answer a bonus question...My dog>accidentally nicked me a good one with her teeth when we were playing>yesterday. (She's a big dog.) Is there any special way I should clean>out the gouges, besides peroxide and a band-aid? Thanks again!>

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Hey Zip:

 

I'm actually not trying to 'burn fat', but thanks for all the great info!

Sara, in spite of her beefily bombastic verbal skill, is a little

person--still proud that she recently broke the 120-lb mark (121 and

counting!), but she's a little tired of being called a runt. Thanks to

lots of lovely tendonitis in the hips, shoulders, etc. and carpal tunnel

in the wrists, actual weight-lifting or strength training turned out not

to be a good option. ( " Wow, look how strong I am! Hey hon, can you lift

that coffee cup for me? My wrists hurt. " ) I've noticed that sitting

around all day in this office makes me really sore, tired and cold which

then puts me in a horrible funky mood. Tai Chi--which I've been doing

for two years or so--is a great help with the soreness. It feels great

to stretch and meditate, no lie. But after getting up-sitting in the

car-sitting in the office-going home-cleaning-sleeping for a few months

straight, I was really starting to feel like I never *moved*.

 

Kickboxing is great. I love that it feels like fighting (I sure don't

punch as girly as I used to!), and it really works all the muscles and

scores a ten on the 'tired and sweaty' scale. Considering that my whole

store of fat consists of about five pounds, I wouldn't be at all

surprised if I burned it doing this...I just want to replace it with nice

strong healthy usable muscles, instead of skin and bones. (Usually I

have two body-styles: An inch of pudge in the winter, skin and bones in

the summer. Hmph.)

 

If there's any further advice you could give me on how to better tone and

strengthen myself, that'd be wonderful--you sound like you know your

shiznit. I've also been told by a couple docs that having stronger

muscles might help mitigate the effects of my tendonitis.

 

Thanks,

ST

 

 

 

> Sara,

>

> If you are trying to lose fat, there are some new things which have been

> learned about exercise and fat burning.

>

> Aerobic exercise is not very good at burning fat. Mainly any exercise

> which

> has you do things for a long period of time, first go to your liver

> and pull

> out glycogen reserves stored there (this is after you burn up what ever

> blood sugar you have in your blood stream).

>

> Once these reserves are burned usually the body will then go the the

> muscles

> themselves and break down actual muscle tissue (ever wonder why those

> marathon guys all look like a bag of bones?).

>

> Recent research was testing different exercise. They were actually looking

> at what it did to the heart, but were taking all sorts of side

> measures (one

> of them was total body fat).

>

> They learned that very rapid exercise done for a very short period of time

> (do please warm up first with some slower more aerobic sorts of

> exercise but

> only about 5 minutes or so), will cause you to burn more fat than long

> amounts of aerobic exercise which might have burned more calories!

>

> They are still not sure why but the prevailing theory is when you are

> doing

> very fast exercise (this is running like the tiger is about to chew that

> deliciously meaty butt you are hauling around), you burn the glucose

> in your

> blood stream quickly and the body them thinks it is in a Dangerous

> situation

> (see Tiger).

>

> since it takes time for the body to convert the Glycogen in your

> liver into

> Glucose (the fuel we use), it looks for a faster simpler supply. This is

> where your fat stores come in.

>

> Fat can be converted to glucose in a single step. Teh heat from the rapid

> exercise heats the fat and makes it more liquid (actually they think

> part of

> it heat up enough to be in the form of liquid fat (like the hot grease in

> your frying pan). This fat can be then used right away to replace teh

> depleted Glucose.

>

> Rapid exercise means: going as fast as you can until your muscles start

> breaking down and not moving correctly. if you last more than 3

> minutes, you

> are not going fast enough.

>

> Once you ahve done a cycle of this sort of exercise, slow down and

> move your

> arms around, sort of doing stretching exercises and cooling down. Once you

> have caught your breath, do another burst of rapid.

>

> The scientists found you could burn more fat with only 2 or 3 of

> these sorts

> of exercise bursts done 3 times a week than you would doing 40 minutes of

> slower, but still aerobic exerices 4 times a week.

>

> I know it flies in the face of the must exercise 24 hours a day and 27 on

> Sunday school of thought.

>

> It also seems to improve some of the hormone levels and be even better for

> the heart than the slower longer forms of exercise.

>

> Zip

>

> The Dragonmaster

> Heaven on Earth

>

> dragonmasterzip

>

> He who rules truly serves and she who serves truly rules.

>

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

> natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician

> and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as

> long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any

> person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products

> from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

> members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington

>

>

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At 2:14 PM +0000 4/23/02, tv_is_a_drug wrote:

> Hey Zip:

>

> I'm actually not trying to 'burn fat', but thanks for all the great info!

> Sara, in spite of her beefily bombastic verbal skill, is a little

> person--still proud that she recently broke the 120-lb mark (121 and

> counting!), but she's a little tired of being called a runt.

 

Ok but how tall is this runt. Personally I go for the runts. My wife, before

she graduated from life, was 5'3 " and weighed 96 lbs Had to carry a suitcase

or a baby to get over 100!

 

> Thanks to

> lots of lovely tendonitis in the hips, shoulders, etc. and carpal tunnel

> in the wrists, actual weight-lifting or strength training turned out not

> to be a good option.

 

Weight lifting and strength training are very harmful unless you are moving

correctly.

 

> The tendonitis et al are a sure sign you are not Moving correctly.

 

 

>

>

> Kickboxing is great. I love that it feels like fighting (I sure don't

> punch as girly as I used to!), and it really works all the muscles and

> scores a ten on the 'tired and sweaty' scale. Considering that my whole

> store of fat consists of about five pounds, I wouldn't be at all

> surprised if I burned it doing this...I just want to replace it with nice

> strong healthy usable muscles, instead of skin and bones. (Usually I

> have two body-styles: An inch of pudge in the winter, skin and bones in

> the summer. Hmph.)

 

If you live up north that inch of pudge is insulation. It is actually good

for you. Muscle tone can be had using slower movements to corrdinate and

really fast movement to burn fat and build muscles. Your body will always

find the right amount of fat for you to stay healthy.

 

Something is telling me, you might need to look at the mineral balance.

Sodium and Potassium play a big part in how muscles operate. You might also

look into taking Alpha Lipoic acid and Acetly L-Cartinine (they need to be

together and best taken with a fat.

 

These are the mechanism to transport fatty acids into the mitochondria which

are the true powerhouses inside your cells.

 

Last year a rather crazy black lady told me to take 3 drops of medicinal

grade turpentine in a glass of water and it will stop muscle aches right

away.

 

Personally this sounds totally weird. First I had never heard of medicinal

grade turpentine, but Edgar Cacye used to prescribe something like this in

some of his cures and they worked. I have also found crazy old black ladies

to often be a wonderous store of obscure knowledge.

 

Many years ago, one, actually confined to a mental institution, told me to

pput a pinch of salt in the bitter coffee to make it taste better. She was

right and a wizo chemistry friend of mine when he was told that was able to

explain the science behind it (the chlorine molecule binds to the

oxygenated, ie racid acid molecule in the coffee's oils and neutralizes it.)

 

So, maybe you could try it. Turpentine is distilled from pine tree. Let me

know if it works. And if we NEVER hear from you again, would you say hello

to my wife, if you run into he on the other side.

 

Zip

 

The Dragonmaster

Heaven on Earth

 

dragonmasterzip

 

He who rules truly serves and she who serves truly rules.