Wound healer--this is what it looks like!

February 12, 2002

Kathryn: Thank you for the only positive thing said. I have

permission from the medicine woman what I can share. This salve is

like your development. And FYI I am a woman. Thank you, the

cruel words have questioned my signing up for this web. Medicine

people of the native american culture do not share or show all their

skills or herbal knowledge, as tradition and respect.

At 02:27 AM 2/24/02 -0800, you wrote:

Hi, all--I am new to this

group and have been

reading all the email messages about Chris Noone's

comment that he knew about a wound healer herbal

formula and was unwilling to share his information

with the group. I am rather troubled about the

group's response to his decision.

This is what it looks like! I don't know Chris and he

definately looks like the 'underdog' from the

collaborative comments towards him personally and from

a group level. However, it seems to me that there is

an undercurrent of response towards him that is more

about judgment than of acceptance and fairness. The

main theme of the group's comments seem to rest upon

the hypothesis that anybody's formulas are everybody's

formulas in the name of perpetuating education and

information. And if you are not going to

share--beware!!

The higher consciousness that I operate from is

unconditional love and acceptance to create a freedom

of choice for all in order that harmony prevails. For

above and beyond any formula or blend is the healing

power of love which includes acceptance. As Jewel

sings so eloquently--'in the end, kindness is the only

thing that matters'.

Before herbal formulas, before essential oils, before

the flora and the fauna--the energy of lovingkindness

was and is today the strongest form of healing in the

Universe. Love is to be shared unconditionally with

all in our world. Resentment creates dis-ease. The

mind/body/spirit connection is indisputable.

Let go and Get Love. That's what it looks like. That

is the very basic fundamental of any healing

methodology. Without the energy of our acceptance

towards others, our love and understanding for all, we

have dearly missed the true lesson(s) of our lives

here. Formulas and medicine, in all it's forms, won't

heal without a belief system in our basic primal

sustinence--love.

Possibly Chris should not have mentioned a formula

that he could not share openly due to the integrity of

his word and promise not to share it. I accept that

with no argument or judgment about him. Who says he

must share that in order to be a part of this online

community without judgment? We share what we can and

we hold what we must.

I, myself, have a formula that cures the common cold.

I have worked over 13 years to develop this, my own

signature formula. I have plowed over 1/2 million

dollars into my education and signature product line

over the last 15 years. Much of my information I do

share with those who are interested. However, I am

not obligated to share my 'secret' formulas with

anyone. I do not hoard my product line; they are for

sale for those who have chosen to participate in the

responsibility of their own optimum health. My field

of expertise is in herbs/aromatherapy/motivational

speaking/writing/mind/body/spirit health. Should the

FDA wake up and allow herbs/oils to be sold with

therapeutic claims, my position will undoubtedly

shift. In the meantime, I continue with my financial

self sufficiency in my field of expertise, so that I

can continue to teach and reach others with the

message of optimum health.

Maybe there are those who do not hold my opinions. So

what? In the end, in the beginning, and in the

present moment--kindess is the only thing that

matters.

Kathryn

--- thawth7366 <THAWTH7366 wrote:

> Chris noone seems to not understand its a secret you

> will not share

> ok.The biggest problem would seem to be if you are

> not going to share

> your secret why mention it at all that seems kinda

> silly and like

> your trying to make people mad at you.Just stop

> talking about it and

> let it go your not going to share it they know it so

> drop it.

> Its nothing against you either i understand money

> being hard to come

> by we all have those problems.

>

> Tammy

>

> -- In herbal remedies, Chris Busby

> <chrisb@i...> wrote:

> > Doc: I find that in my training from a Native

> American Medicine

> woman and

> > the privilege of learning several of the oldest

> remedies and herb

> to use,

> > and agreements made in this learning process

> should be respected

>

Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games

http://sports.

February 24, 2002

Hi, all--I am new to this and have been

reading all the email messages about Chris Noone's

comment that he knew about a wound healer herbal

formula and was unwilling to share his information

with the group. I am rather troubled about the

group's response to his decision.

This is what it looks like! I don't know Chris and he

definately looks like the 'underdog' from the

collaborative comments towards him personally and from

a group level. However, it seems to me that there is

an undercurrent of response towards him that is more

about judgment than of acceptance and fairness. The

main theme of the group's comments seem to rest upon

the hypothesis that anybody's formulas are everybody's

formulas in the name of perpetuating education and

information. And if you are not going to

share--beware!!

The higher consciousness that I operate from is

unconditional love and acceptance to create a freedom

of choice for all in order that harmony prevails. For

above and beyond any formula or blend is the healing

power of love which includes acceptance. As Jewel

sings so eloquently--'in the end, kindness is the only

thing that matters'.

Before herbal formulas, before essential oils, before

the flora and the fauna--the energy of lovingkindness

was and is today the strongest form of healing in the

Universe. Love is to be shared unconditionally with

all in our world. Resentment creates dis-ease. The

mind/body/spirit connection is indisputable.

Let go and Get Love. That's what it looks like. That

is the very basic fundamental of any healing

methodology. Without the energy of our acceptance

towards others, our love and understanding for all, we

have dearly missed the true lesson(s) of our lives

here. Formulas and medicine, in all it's forms, won't

heal without a belief system in our basic primal

sustinence--love.

Possibly Chris should not have mentioned a formula

that he could not share openly due to the integrity of

his word and promise not to share it. I accept that

with no argument or judgment about him. Who says he

must share that in order to be a part of this online

community without judgment? We share what we can and

we hold what we must.

I, myself, have a formula that cures the common cold.

I have worked over 13 years to develop this, my own

signature formula. I have plowed over 1/2 million

dollars into my education and signature product line

over the last 15 years. Much of my information I do

share with those who are interested. However, I am

not obligated to share my 'secret' formulas with

anyone. I do not hoard my product line; they are for

sale for those who have chosen to participate in the

responsibility of their own optimum health. My field

of expertise is in herbs/aromatherapy/motivational

speaking/writing/mind/body/spirit health. Should the

FDA wake up and allow herbs/oils to be sold with

therapeutic claims, my position will undoubtedly

shift. In the meantime, I continue with my financial

self sufficiency in my field of expertise, so that I

can continue to teach and reach others with the

message of optimum health.

Maybe there are those who do not hold my opinions. So

what? In the end, in the beginning, and in the

present moment--kindess is the only thing that

matters.

Kathryn

--- thawth7366 <THAWTH7366 wrote:

> Chris noone seems to not understand its a secret you

> will not share

> ok.The biggest problem would seem to be if you are

> not going to share

> your secret why mention it at all that seems kinda

> silly and like

> your trying to make people mad at you.Just stop

> talking about it and

> let it go your not going to share it they know it so

> drop it.

> Its nothing against you either i understand money

> being hard to come

> by we all have those problems.

>

> Tammy

>

> -- In herbal remedies, Chris Busby

> <chrisb@i...> wrote:

> > Doc: I find that in my training from a Native

> American Medicine

> woman and

> > the privilege of learning several of the oldest

> remedies and herb

> to use,

> > and agreements made in this learning process

> should be respected

>

Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games

http://sports.

February 24, 2002

'The higher consciousness that I operate from isunconditional love and acceptance to create a freedomof choice for all in order that harmony prevails.'

Does this operate without any conditions Kathryn? Do we give unconditional love and acceptance to everyone's freedom of choice? Are there any choices that we don't accept? Is there no qualifier to this?

I am very interested in this idea because it seems to me to go to the root of the difficulty I have with philosophical liberalism, which seems to be tipping over into anarchy.

Of course Chris is allowed to chose to charge for his 'secret' formula, that is his choice. It is also the choice of other people to question the ethics that operates here. Does not the questioning itself fall into your definition of 'unconditional love and acceptance'? Can you therefore respond? Doesn't unconditional acceptance stop you from writing your email? Or is your unconditional acceptance only acceptance of what you agree with, which I think is where everyone is coming from?

Also does unconditional acceptance allow harmony to prevail? Doesn't harmony come from people living in such a way that the greatest good operates to all people? I honestly don't understand this. I do think that if a group of people is operating in an open and non-secret way, where formulae are openly published and where information is given freely and with love, then if someone states that their formulae is secret then surely the people can be allowed to question that point of view?

Sue

February 24, 2002

I agree with what Kathryn says. Perhaps we can move on to other topics

Anne

I am rather troubled about thegroup's response to his decision.

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