Rudeness

February 16, 2002

Thanks for your kind words. This is a good day for that sort of thing.

In dealing with anyone who has EI/MCS/CFS/FM (these being perhaps several

faces of a single condition) patience is required. Lashing out at a family

member or stranger who is trying to help, is in a sense a symptom in itself.

Sometimes in cases like this i will write a reply, and then trash it before

sending.

Of course it can be difficult or impossible to study something under the

circumstances of this condition. One never knows when this may be the case,

and also sometimes there are better and worse days. By taking in the great

nutritional advice that comes through this list, it is possible for there to

eventually be a larger proportion of better days.

As for religious references, i can no more hide my religion than i can hide

my face. Just one of those things that comes with the territory. If

someone is offended by that, i have decided to make no apologies. However,

by the teachings of the religion that i follow, i am required to forgive

those who say these sorts of things. They can change, and i don't want

anyone's possible embarrasment at having said something against my religion

in the past be a stumbling block to any future change. Beth is forgiven

already. Furthermore, i don't think she really harmed me in the first place.

So one post was deleted, and another saved for later encouragement. Sue,

you did help a lot.

At 07:49 AM 2/16/02 -0000, you wrote:

>I am new to this list and,as a person very interested in herbal

>remedies and ideas,having been reading the posts each day. However,

>I cannot stay quiet today as the whole thread on brain inflammation

>has made me quite angry (and if you know the whole British

>understatement thing, you will realise how angry that is!)

>

>Here is Michael giving kind and clear advice to Beth and in one of

>his answers states that 'anyone' should read the labels on products,

>a really good point. She then writes back raging on about him in a

>completely unreal and extremely over the top way. She then says

>he 'quoted the Bible' at her, well, what a terrible crime. Would she

>have complained the same if it had been the Buddhist scriptures?

>Also she has a link to a site that is full of Christian thoughts,

>quotes and ideas. How peculiar to attack someone because they are

>trying to help you by quoting the words of Jesus; I am always

>quoting the words of Gandhi, help, better watch out for attack!

>

>Michael, I think you are a very kind person to bother giving advice

>to people and I hope you are there to help me should I ever need to

>get advice from the list, which would not be impossible. Please do

>not be hurt by this person, she clearly has issues and problems that

>are nothing to do with you, but has transferred this anger to you.

>

>Kind regards,

>

>Sue

>

-- Michael Riversong **

Professional Harpist, Educator, and Writer **

RivEdu ** Phone: (307)635-0900 FAX (413)691-0399

http://home.earthlink.net/~mriversong

February 17, 2002

Oh please...

Michael did one thing wrong. He forgot Beths previous posts in here.

If he read those or remembered those, he never would have said what

he said.

Beth know alot about chemicals and what they do. Read her first mails

in here, and you will understand.

I have too fibromyalgia and chemical sensitivity, so I understand

her. My anger goes inward and make me depressed. Im glad Beth dare to

let her anger go outward!!

But I must say I am not angry over this. I am just sad that Beth have

left this group. It was cool to have someone with similar problems on

the same list here.

And please let your religious stuff be where it belongs to. Talk

about it with people who want to talk about religions. Not with

people who dont want to talk about it. I am on this list to learn

about herbal remedies, not about religions (OT - SORRY Doc, please

dont ban me because of these words: personally I dont believe in any

religions - they are just another way to fight - on a mental level -

or they are a good excusion to make war of - just look at history).

If someone from this list write to me personally, I want the same

rules as in here. Talk about herbal stuff, not religious stuff.

Lastly I want to copy Docs rules about this:

4. All members of all religious faiths are welcome to be members of

this list and are allowed to post instances of Spiritual healing that

they themselves have experienced. These are to be first hand

experiences only. Again, once a topic has been opened as above, it

is fair game unless stopped by a Moderator.

5. No member of any religious faith is allowed to promulgate their

own faith. This is a herbal remedies and natural healing list. All

religious dogma is OT (off topic). Spiritual healing personally

experienced is the one exception to this rule.

6. Under no circumstances will any Religion Bashing, the criticizing

of any Religion, or Flaming be allowed on this list. All members of

any religion are welcome to be members of this list. Any violation

of this rule will result in instant unsubscription and banning.

Im glad Doc have thought about this and made these great rules!!

By the way, I have many personal spiritual healing experiences. But I

havent talked about these because I see this list as a list about

herbs and nutrition and how get rid of diseases with what nature do

have......Nature do have all the remedies we need, I think...

Mar

February 18, 2002

Dear Mar,

I just saw the tail end of this chain (missed the original), and I want to thank you for upholding and pointing out the list policies on this.

I do appreciate the back up.

I take it that everything is calmed down on it now and that no further handling is needed by me.

Is this correct?

Love,

Doc

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

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walkyria9

herbal remedies

Sunday, February 17, 2002 7:44 AM

[herbal remedies] Re: Rudeness

Oh please...Michael did one thing wrong. He forgot Beths previous posts in here. If he read those or remembered those, he never would have said what he said. Beth know alot about chemicals and what they do. Read her first mails in here, and you will understand.I have too fibromyalgia and chemical sensitivity, so I understand her. My anger goes inward and make me depressed. Im glad Beth dare to let her anger go outward!!But I must say I am not angry over this. I am just sad that Beth have left this group. It was cool to have someone with similar problems on the same list here.And please let your religious stuff be where it belongs to. Talk about it with people who want to talk about religions. Not with people who dont want to talk about it. I am on this list to learn about herbal remedies, not about religions (OT - SORRY Doc, please dont ban me because of these words: personally I dont believe in any religions - they are just another way to fight - on a mental level - or they are a good excusion to make war of - just look at history).If someone from this list write to me personally, I want the same rules as in here. Talk about herbal stuff, not religious stuff.Lastly I want to copy Docs rules about this:4. All members of all religious faiths are welcome to be members of this list and are allowed to post instances of Spiritual healing that they themselves have experienced. These are to be first hand experiences only. Again, once a topic has been opened as above, it is fair game unless stopped by a Moderator.5. No member of any religious faith is allowed to promulgate their own faith. This is a herbal remedies and natural healing list. All religious dogma is OT (off topic). Spiritual healing personally experienced is the one exception to this rule.6. Under no circumstances will any Religion Bashing, the criticizing of any Religion, or Flaming be allowed on this list. All members of any religion are welcome to be members of this list. Any violation of this rule will result in instant unsubscription and banning.Im glad Doc have thought about this and made these great rules!!By the way, I have many personal spiritual healing experiences. But I havent talked about these because I see this list as a list about herbs and nutrition and how get rid of diseases with what nature do have......Nature do have all the remedies we need, I think...Mar