food and strenght

[Guest guest]

Dear People ,

 

I was just wondering , i do body building and ive heard to build muscle u need lots of protein, like about 1 gram per pound of body weight , im quite slim so ive been told to eat lots of meat and chickent and milk, which i dont any more because ive become a lacto vegetarian.. any hints on what i may do to get bigger and sttronger using a vegetarian diet?

I also mentioned that some of the biggest animals are vegetarians but they said thats because they have different stomacs than we do.

Thanks,

 

Fahad

[Guest guest]

Dear Fahad,

You definitely do need the protein to put on the muscle bulk. I have several body building patients and we use: 1. Goat Whey 2. Spriulina 3. Chlorella. These work very well. Herbs to use would be Ginseng (all kinds), Yohimba Bark, Damiana, Sarsaparilla Root, Saw Palmetto Berry, Oat Seed, Kola Nut, Ginger root, and last but not least, Garlic.

Hope this helps.

Love,

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

-

Fahad

herbal remedies

Friday, January 11, 2002 9:22 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] food and strenght

 

Dear People ,

 

I was just wondering , i do body building and ive heard to build muscle u need lots of protein, like about 1 gram per pound of body weight , im quite slim so ive been told to eat lots of meat and chickent and milk, which i dont any more because ive become a lacto vegetarian.. any hints on what i may do to get bigger and sttronger using a vegetarian diet?

I also mentioned that some of the biggest animals are vegetarians but they said thats because they have different stomacs than we do.

Thanks,

 

Fahad

[Guest guest]

Doc...

 

Where do you get goat whey? I can only get ordinary whey, and thats

not from goat?

 

Marit

 

herbal remedies, " Ian Shillington N.D. "

<Dr.IanShillington@G...> wrote:

> Dear Fahad,

> You definitely do need the protein to put on the muscle bulk. I

have

> several body building patients and we use: 1. Goat Whey 2.

Spriulina

> 3. Chlorella. These work very well. Herbs to use would be Ginseng

> (all kinds), Yohimba Bark, Damiana, Sarsaparilla Root, Saw Palmetto

> Berry, Oat Seed, Kola Nut, Ginger root, and last but not least,

Garlic.

> Hope this helps.

> Love,

> Doc

>

> Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D.

> 505-772-5889

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

> -

> Fahad

> herbal remedies

> Friday, January 11, 2002 9:22 PM

> Re: [herbal remedies] food and strenght

>

>

> Dear People ,

>

> I was just wondering , i do body building and ive heard to build

> muscle u need lots of protein, like about 1 gram per pound of body

> weight , im quite slim so ive been told to eat lots of meat and

chickent

> and milk, which i dont any more because ive become a lacto

vegetarian..

> any hints on what i may do to get bigger and sttronger using a

> vegetarian diet?

> I also mentioned that some of the biggest animals are vegetarians

but

> they said thats because they have different stomacs than we do.

> Thanks,

>

> Fahad

[Guest guest]

I'm not Doc but here are some links.

I'm going to try and find a inexpensive source.

 

http://www.pcmartin.com/capramineralwhey.shtml

http://www.totalhealthsecrets.com/shopping/displayproducts.asp?categoryid=13

http://www.galaxymall.com/gift/africanamerican/goatwhey.html

http://www.totalhc.com/Goat_Whey/goat_whey.htm

http://www.wizardofeyez.com/g.html

 

 

http://www.abundalife.com/goats.asp

THE AMAZING BENEFITS of GOAT MILK PRODUCTS

 

Goat milk is as close to a perfect food as possible in nature. Its chemical

structure is amazingly similar to mother's milk. It is a complete protein

containing all the essential amino acids without the heavy fat content and

catarrh producing materials of cow's milk.

 

If you have been around farms you would notice goats are much more flexible

and limber than cows. They can climb and do things that are beautiful to

watch. I have seen goats get on the roofs of barns and houses and wondered

how it was possible. the reason for this is that goats are a bioorganic

sodium animal, while cows are a calcium animal.

 

Bioorganic sodium in known in naturopathic medicine as the youth element.

Arthritis does not come with old age. It is a lack of this essential

mineral that brings on the symptoms of old age.

 

The highest sources of bioorganic sodium is found in goat milk and sweet

goat whey. Abunda Life goat milk products contain both quick dried goat

milk and the whey. It is the sodium that keeps the goats young, active,

flexible, and limber all of their lives. There are no old goats in the

human sense. They can climb, jump, leap, and walk all of their lives

because bioorganic sodium is the joining mobilizing material that makes

this possible.

 

Each organ of the body has a reserve of one chemical element more than

others. It holds certain chemical elements so that it is a unique active

organ. This principle, known as " The Chemical Story, " is one of the

essential principles of naturopathic medicine.

 

Dr. Koenig of Germany, in autopsy after autopsy, discovered that there is

more sodium stored in the stomach than any other organ of the body. The

stomach is known as a bioorganic sodium organ in

 

naturopathic medicine. When the body becomes deficient in bioorganic sodium

foods do not digest properly. The stomach's ability to produce enzymes and

hydrochloric acid is slowed down and we experience belching, bloating, and

ulcers become possible along with many other digestive problems. Coffee,

tea, sugar, white flour products, chocolate, alcohol, and especially soda

drinking produces a high stomach acid imbalance that sucks the bioorganic

sodium right off the walls of the stomach and colon. This condition

sometimes takes many years to manifest itself and is not noticed until it

becomes a named disease. It is for this reason that we do not permit soda

in the house at Abunda Life.

 

The endless array of mindless over-the-counter drugs like Tums, Pepto

Bismal, and bicarbonite of soda, as you may well know, is the wrong type of

sodium. Like all drugs, without exception, cause more long term problems

than short term solutions. In naturopathic medicine we believe that God

provided the answer in food medicine. Goat milk and goat whey are natural

food medicines designed to both nourish and heal, prevent and treat the

stomach, colon, intestines, and arthritic like conditions.

 

I've seen goat milk perform wonders at Abunda Life Clinic with both

children and adults. I have seen people who could not digest a single food

come back to health with goat milk. Many mothers have thrown out the

plastic mixes called baby formulas to have their children grow strong and

healthy without drugging them and without heavy mucus that cows milk often

produces. Some people have resurrected from the dead with goat milk.

 

Dr. Jensen told me that Ghandi was always able to rapidly come back to

excellent health after his very prolonged fasts because of goat milk. Goat

milk is one of the best food medicines for rebuilding the brain, nervous

sytem, and mental faculties. Goat milk is one of the finest foods for

regenerating the cells of the body and bringing a person back to health.

 

After mother's milk, goat milk is the ideal food for weaning a child. It is

the nearest to mother's milk in composition, nutrients, and natural

chemical properties. It is easy to digest and is a magnificent bodybuilding

food. Its fat globules are one ninth the size as cow's milk, making it

easier to digest. If you don't homogenize cow's milk you must remove some

of the cream. With goats milk this is not neccessary as it is naturally

homogenized.

 

One common denominator that Dr. Jensen discovered in his 70 year study of

people over the

 

age of 100, in visiting 90 countries, was goat milk. Margaret Patton of

London died at 137 years old. Jonathan Hartop walks 9 miles a day at the

age of 136 and lived to be 138. Thomas Parr lived 152 years and Peter

Czartin from Austria live to be 184. All lived on goat milk. This is not

surprising to some who realize that the only milk referred to in the Bible,

as food, is goat milk (Proverbs 27:27).

 

Abunda Life goat milk is not only highly nutritious, but is so delicious

that children love it. One 12 ounce container makes 2 gallons or 8 quarts

or 32 eight ounce glasses of reconstituted goat milk.

Abunda Life's goat milk is so highly nutritous that it can often serve as a

meal substitute or healthy snack in itself. It is so delicious that

children and adults love it.

Goat milk is the number one substitute for cow milk made by most

naturopathic doctors for the following reasons:

 

1. Goat milk is a highly comabtible nourishing natural food for people who

are allergic to cow milk.

 

2. Cow milk is mucus forming to many people. Goat milk is not only

non-mucus forming, but actually helps to neutralize mucus.

 

3. The fat content in goat milk is very low compared to cow milk. The fat

globules are 1/9 the size of cow milk making it a very easy natural food to

break down.

 

4. Certain ethnic groups, especially Jews and Blacks and some Hispanics are

lactate intolerant, which means that their bodies can react adversly to cow

milk and cow milk products. For these people goat milk can be the perfect

substitute.

 

5. The chemical structure of goat milk is very close to that of mother's milk.

 

6. The elements of goat milk are similar to those found in the stomach,

colon, intestines, and joints. Thereby making goat milk the perfect food

for these symptoms.

 

7. Goat milk digests easily making it the perfect food for children, the

elderly, those with digestive diffi

 

culties, those recuperating from a disease or health conditions, and your

pets that have been weaned from their mother.

 

8. Goat milk neutralizes acids and toxins.

 

9. Goat milk is high in healing enzymes and has a superior form of calcium

than cow milk.

 

10. Goat milk is compatible with most Abunda Life powder formulas.

[Guest guest]

It is said to be difficult to accomplish body building on just vegetable and

dairy protein, but perhaps not impossible. That said, some people

absolutely cannot build much more than they have to begin with.

 

Long ago in India, a medical science called " Ayurveda " was developed. There

are some problems with it, particularly as it goes into psychological

characteristics, but i have found it to be a reliable guide to the type of

exercise that is ideal for each person.

 

In general, and please note that this is a broad generality, many thin

people are of the " Vata " type. This means that metabolism tends to be

centered in the lungs, and that running is the ideal exercise. If a Vata

type of person tries to gain weight, does intense pushing and lifting

exercises, and overloads on protein, serious damage can result. This can

manifest in the form of gross digestive disturbances, lung collapse,

intestinal damage, and pulled muscles that don't heal. Vata people do best

eating light, sweet foods and fruits.

 

The pushing and weightlifting exercises typically used in body building

programs are most appropriate for " Kapha " types, which are people who tend

to be heavy and slow-moving.

 

The third body type is generally what we call " medium build " , called Pitta,

with metabolism centered largely in the joints. Ideal exercise for this

type is walking. Pitta people are the ones who should consume a lot of

protein, and have the most trouble with vegetarian diets.

 

There are a very few exercises that are good for all body types. Mainly,

these are dancing and skiing. Green vegetables are good for all three types.

 

Ayurvedic medicine teaches that people should avoid trying to change their

fundamental body type. In the USA, many people get into serious medical

trouble by trying to become very thin while their body type is Kapha. This

can be compounded by the use of certain psychiatric drugs such as Zantac

(yes, it is sold for digestion but in its manner of action, it is

psychiatric) or Prozac, which can damage the digestive system permanently.

 

And yes, the large vegetarian animals have very different stomachs from

humans. They should not be compared with us.

 

At 09:22 AM 1/12/02 +0500, you wrote:

>Dear People ,

>

>I was just wondering , i do body building and ive heard to build muscle u

need lots of protein, like about 1 gram per pound of body weight , im quite

slim so ive been told to eat lots of meat and chickent and milk, which i

dont any more because ive become a lacto vegetarian.. any hints on what i

may do to get bigger and sttronger using a vegetarian diet?

>I also mentioned that some of the biggest animals are vegetarians but they

said thats because they have different stomacs than we do.

>Thanks,

>

>Fahad

[Guest guest]

Ugh...I think I am pitta and the walking is something I really dont

like...I like weight-lifting. But cant do anymore because of

fibromyalgia. The protein part is true for pitta...I need to get

extra protein through protein powder so I dont need to eat much meat.

I cant eat fish because of allergy, so.....

 

I wasnt medium, I was thin....but other characteristics seems to be

on pitta on me???

 

Marit

 

herbal remedies, Michael Riversong <rivedu@e...> wrote:

> It is said to be difficult to accomplish body building on just

vegetable and

> dairy protein, but perhaps not impossible. That said, some people

> absolutely cannot build much more than they have to begin with.

>

> Long ago in India, a medical science called " Ayurveda " was

developed. There

> are some problems with it, particularly as it goes into

psychological

> characteristics, but i have found it to be a reliable guide to the

type of

> exercise that is ideal for each person.

>

> In general, and please note that this is a broad generality, many

thin

> people are of the " Vata " type. This means that metabolism tends to

be

> centered in the lungs, and that running is the ideal exercise. If

a Vata

> type of person tries to gain weight, does intense pushing and

lifting

> exercises, and overloads on protein, serious damage can result.

This can

> manifest in the form of gross digestive disturbances, lung collapse,

> intestinal damage, and pulled muscles that don't heal. Vata people

do best

> eating light, sweet foods and fruits.

>

> The pushing and weightlifting exercises typically used in body

building

> programs are most appropriate for " Kapha " types, which are people

who tend

> to be heavy and slow-moving.

>

> The third body type is generally what we call " medium build " ,

called Pitta,

> with metabolism centered largely in the joints. Ideal exercise for

this

> type is walking. Pitta people are the ones who should consume a

lot of

> protein, and have the most trouble with vegetarian diets.

>

> There are a very few exercises that are good for all body types.

Mainly,

> these are dancing and skiing. Green vegetables are good for all

three types.

>

> Ayurvedic medicine teaches that people should avoid trying to

change their

> fundamental body type. In the USA, many people get into serious

medical

> trouble by trying to become very thin while their body type is

Kapha. This

> can be compounded by the use of certain psychiatric drugs such as

Zantac

> (yes, it is sold for digestion but in its manner of action, it is

> psychiatric) or Prozac, which can damage the digestive system

permanently.

>

> And yes, the large vegetarian animals have very different stomachs

from

> humans. They should not be compared with us.

>

> At 09:22 AM 1/12/02 +0500, you wrote:

> >Dear People ,

> >

> >I was just wondering , i do body building and ive heard to build

muscle u

> need lots of protein, like about 1 gram per pound of body weight ,

im quite

> slim so ive been told to eat lots of meat and chickent and milk,

which i

> dont any more because ive become a lacto vegetarian.. any hints on

what i

> may do to get bigger and sttronger using a vegetarian diet?

> >I also mentioned that some of the biggest animals are vegetarians

but they

> said thats because they have different stomacs than we do.

> >Thanks,

> >

> >Fahad

[Guest guest]

The ideal way to determine your body type is to get educated on the subject

and determine for yourself. I have formulated a questionaire which seems to

help. And then occasionally you will find some people who exhibit

characteristics of more than one type, and there seem to be complicated

protocols for dealing with that. I wish this part of science were a little

more exact.

 

Is it possible the weight lifting might have contributed to the development

of fibromyalgia (FM)? That's a very tough question. Usually FM originates

from an environmental factor such as chemical exposure, which can be very

difficult to trace. For example, many office workers have gotten it after

their facilities were remodeled. I have known a forestry worker who got it

from an insecticide. These are gross insults to the system, which in a way

transcend the whole Ayurvedic body typing system. After all, ancient Hindus

didn't have to deal with DDT, EDB, or Penta.

 

Most Pitta people will answer a resounding YES to this question: Do people

sometimes tell you that you're too intense? Actually i don't even like that

question because it implies psychological typing, which i generally oppose.

But it does hold true over many cases!

 

Also i could see how in Norway walking may not always be such a pleasant

activity, given the weather and geography. Even here in the wilderness of

Wyoming, i have not wanted to walk on several recent days due to bitter

winds. And yet that's one of my most favorite things in life. Of course in

past years i've usually arranged to be somewhere else in January. How about

cross-country skiing? Do you find that pleasurable? (Haven't been able to

do that for the past couple of years due to a severe drought here.)

 

At 01:07 AM 1/14/02 -0000, you wrote:

>Ugh...I think I am pitta and the walking is something I really dont

>like...I like weight-lifting. But cant do anymore because of

>fibromyalgia. The protein part is true for pitta...I need to get

>extra protein through protein powder so I dont need to eat much meat.

>I cant eat fish because of allergy, so.....

>

>I wasnt medium, I was thin....but other characteristics seems to be

>on pitta on me???

>

>Marit

>

 

-- Michael Riversong **

Professional Harpist, Educator, and Writer **

RivEdu ** Phone: (307)635-0900 FAX (413)691-0399

http://home.earthlink.net/~mriversong

[Guest guest]

Just curious, I haven't heard about Prozac damaging the digestive system

before. Could you tell me how it does that and what kind of damage it does?

 

Thanks,

Anni

 

 

--- Michael Riversong <rivedu wrote:

 

> This

> can be compounded by the use of certain psychiatric drugs such as Zantac

> (yes, it is sold for digestion but in its manner of action, it is

> psychiatric) or Prozac, which can damage the digestive system

> permanently.

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

You should be able to get it in most healthfood stores. I know that Doc Jensen's organization carries it also and probably has the highest quality. Punch "Dr. Bernard Jensen" into a search engine and you should be able to find his website if he has one.

Love,

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington

 

-

walkyria9

herbal remedies

Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:44 AM

[herbal remedies] Re: food and strenght

Doc...Where do you get goat whey? I can only get ordinary whey, and thats not from goat?Marit

[Guest guest]

No healthfood store in norway do have it..sorry....

 

Its alot of things we cant get here in norway...organic

papaya...impossible to get here...I will try to grow myself and see

if that goes well....perhaps I dont need to buy ordinary papaya to

get the seeds, some day

 

Have a nice day

 

Mar

 

herbal remedies, " Ian Shillington N.D. "

<Dr.IanShillington@G...> wrote:

> You should be able to get it in most healthfood stores. I know

that Doc

> Jensen's organization carries it also and probably has the highest

> quality. Punch " Dr. Bernard Jensen " into a search engine and you

should

> be able to find his website if he has one.

> Love,

> Doc

>

> Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D.

> 505-772-5889

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

> -

> walkyria9

> herbal remedies

> Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:44 AM

> [herbal remedies] Re: food and strenght

>

>

> Doc...

>

> Where do you get goat whey? I can only get ordinary whey, and

thats

> not from goat?

>

> Marit

[Guest guest]

Do you have a good hothouse? Papaya is a tropical fruit, and needs a

temperature constantly above 25 degrees C. in order to survive. If you do

manage to grow it there, i definitely would like to know about it.

 

The fact that so many things are unavailable in Norway is sad. I thought it

was a rather enlightened country in so many ways, and to find that they

highly regulate available foods is a disappointment.

 

Maybe some of us on this list need to develop a sort of " underground

railroad " to get foods and medicines into Norway.

 

At 12:47 PM 1/15/02 -0000, you wrote:

>No healthfood store in norway do have it..sorry....

>

>Its alot of things we cant get here in norway...organic

>papaya...impossible to get here...I will try to grow myself and see

>if that goes well....perhaps I dont need to buy ordinary papaya to

>get the seeds, some day

>

>Have a nice day

>

>Mar

>

[Guest guest]

I first observed this with a very close friend who was on Prozac for 6

months in 1990. After that, she suffered increasingly from dramatic

digestive disturbances. So i did a little digging into how this drug works.

It's common knowledge that Prozac artificially holds serotonin, a key nerve

transmitter, out on nerve cells longer than usual. That's its main action,

and i was unable to find any psychiatric reference that would explain

exactly WHY this would result in people sometimes feeling relief from

various mental problems. (Eventually, i wrote up what appears to be

happening, but probably most psychiatrists would not like what was said in

that document.)

 

What is not so common is the knowledge that serotonin, while playing a key

role in how impulses are transmitted along gaps in nerve cell lines, also

plays a key role in the regulation of histamines. This is difficult for

anyone, even a top-notch biochemist, to understand. That's because there

are several other digestive system chemicals that interact with histamines

in a complex manner. These interactions in turn regulate the digestive

system in specific ways.

 

In 1998, i predicted that eventually the phenomenon of Prozac (and its

relatives) having a negative impact on digestion would be recognized. Late

in 1999, a study came out from Spain that showed increased incidence of

intestinal bleeding among Prozac users. So there is at least some

vindication here.

 

Since the initial observation, i have seen several other cases where this

appears to have happened. Unfortunately, it is the nature of current

medical practice to treat body systems as if they were in isolation from

each other. So any cause-effect relationship is going to be difficult to

spot in many cases.

 

What list members can do, is to look around and see if former users of the

SSRI drugs (Prozac, Luvox, Celexa, Paxil, and Zoloft are the most

well-known) are experiencing mysterious digestive problems. I'm not yet

sure how the chemical interactions can be restored to their previous

configurations, but at least we can spot possible allergy patterns in these

cases and get people on to diets that they can tolerate.

 

My friend, who remains close, has never completely recovered all her

digestive functions. But by sticking to a dairy and wheat free diet, she is

in very good health these days.

 

At 12:16 PM 1/14/02 -0800, you wrote:

>Just curious, I haven't heard about Prozac damaging the digestive system

>before. Could you tell me how it does that and what kind of damage it does?

>

>Thanks,

>Anni

>

[Guest guest]

Wow! Fascinating, Michael! Thank you so much for the information. I find it

really interesting because I spent 1.5 years on Prozac. I've been off it

for almost 5 years now but because I'd been having so many digestive

problems, I went to see a naturopathic doctor and had one of those saliva

tests done to test my secretory IgA. This was about 8 months ago. The test

indicated that my overall intestinal lining health was about 65% below the

norm. I also had massive candida overgrowth. I've since cut all wheat,

dairy, soy, corn, and sugar (or at least try like hell with the sugar

out of my diet. I also took and still take a lot of supplements for the

candida and have had much success. I'm still dealing with the problems but

upon retesting a couple of weeks ago it looks like I'm about half way back

to being 'normal'. My first inclination wasn't to nail the blame on the

prozac, though, since I spent many years pumping other non-prescribed

chemicals into body. Hmm, again, fascinating! Thanks.

 

Anni

 

--- Michael Riversong <rivedu wrote:

> I first observed this with a very close friend who was on Prozac for 6

> months in 1990. After that, she suffered increasingly from dramatic

> digestive disturbances. So i did a little digging into how this drug

> works.

> It's common knowledge that Prozac artificially holds serotonin, a key

> nerve

> transmitter, out on nerve cells longer than usual. That's its main

> action,

> and i was unable to find any psychiatric reference that would explain

> exactly WHY this would result in people sometimes feeling relief from

> various mental problems. (Eventually, i wrote up what appears to be

> happening, but probably most psychiatrists would not like what was said

> in

> that document.)

>

> What is not so common is the knowledge that serotonin, while playing a

> key

> role in how impulses are transmitted along gaps in nerve cell lines, also

> plays a key role in the regulation of histamines. This is difficult for

> anyone, even a top-notch biochemist, to understand. That's because there

> are several other digestive system chemicals that interact with

> histamines

> in a complex manner. These interactions in turn regulate the digestive

> system in specific ways.

>

> In 1998, i predicted that eventually the phenomenon of Prozac (and its

> relatives) having a negative impact on digestion would be recognized.

> Late

> in 1999, a study came out from Spain that showed increased incidence of

> intestinal bleeding among Prozac users. So there is at least some

> vindication here.

>

> Since the initial observation, i have seen several other cases where this

> appears to have happened. Unfortunately, it is the nature of current

> medical practice to treat body systems as if they were in isolation from

> each other. So any cause-effect relationship is going to be difficult to

> spot in many cases.

>

> What list members can do, is to look around and see if former users of

> the

> SSRI drugs (Prozac, Luvox, Celexa, Paxil, and Zoloft are the most

> well-known) are experiencing mysterious digestive problems. I'm not yet

> sure how the chemical interactions can be restored to their previous

> configurations, but at least we can spot possible allergy patterns in

> these

> cases and get people on to diets that they can tolerate.

>

> My friend, who remains close, has never completely recovered all her

> digestive functions. But by sticking to a dairy and wheat free diet, she

> is

> in very good health these days.

>

> At 12:16 PM 1/14/02 -0800, you wrote:

> >Just curious, I haven't heard about Prozac damaging the digestive system

> >before. Could you tell me how it does that and what kind of damage it

> does?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >Anni

> >

>

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

> remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and

> to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long

> as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any

> person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products

> from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

> members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington

>

>