Guest guest Posted December 13, 2001 Report Share Posted December 13, 2001 herbal remedies, GentleAnger@e... wrote: > Growing curiouser and curiouser....especially since I use music as a regular > part of my healing. Without music on some level I just feel numb. > Clove > Words, especially poetry, can have a similar effect (cause some form of trance), did you ever think of that? Reading and writing poetry is much more healing to me than music .... Katrin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2001 Report Share Posted December 13, 2001 > Words, especially poetry, can have a similar effect (cause some form > of trance), did you ever think of that? Reading and writing poetry is > much more healing to me than music .... > Katrin ~*~*~ Oh yes, you are so right Katrin. I write everything from poetry to short stories and have had much published. I feel music on a very different level of my soul than I do my writing. I keep my pad of paper and pen by my bedside since I tend to fancy free thought more during sleep time. As far as reading specific poetry or such, Rumi is my great love. He knew love and spirituality in ways I cannot express. Clove ~You already hold the key to everything you wish to become. You just need to stop putting it in the keyhole upside down.~ ____________________________ Send a friend your Buddy Card and stay in contact always with Excite Messenger http://messenger.excite.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 In a message dated 12/17/01 9:37:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, l_trin writes: << ******************* It would be interesting to me to know if you ever experienced trance or something close to trance while writing or reading poetry. ~*~*~ While reading Rumi, yes. My writing I tend to do in a still dazed state from sleeping. Most of the stuff I write comes to me during that time between waking and sleep...so it would be very difficult for me to tell if I was trancing. So this is quite different from what music and rhythm does, isn't it? >> ~*~*~ Would you think that it might be a heightened meditative state? Clove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 herbal remedies, GentleAnger@e... wrote: > > > > Words, especially poetry, can have a similar effect (cause some form > > of trance), did you ever think of that? Reading and writing poetry is > > much more healing to me than music .... > > Katrin > ~*~*~ > Oh yes, you are so right Katrin. I write everything from poetry to short > stories and have had much published. I feel music on a very different level > of my soul than I do my writing. I keep my pad of paper and pen by my > bedside since I tend to fancy free thought more during sleep time. > As far as reading specific poetry or such, Rumi is my great love. He knew > love and spirituality in ways I cannot express. > Clove > ******************* It would be interesting to me to know if you ever experienced trance or something close to trance while writing or reading poetry. I experienced something I'd call a light trance while reading some poems by Saut Situmorang (an Indonesian poet). When I analyzed this, I found out that it was not so much the sound that caused this state of mind (like with mantras), but the meaning, the pictures that the words evoked. So this is quite different from what music and rhythm does, isn't it? Katrin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 In a message dated 12/20/2001 10:21:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, l_trin writes: How do you define 'heightended meditative state', and what is the difference between this state and trance? (sorry, I don't know very much about these matters, as my field is literature, not medicine.) ~*~*~ Keeping in mind that this is strictly my opinion and based on no medicinal fact... Within trance, you are not aware of the world around you, yet awake and possibly even mobile. A heightened sense of meditation would be more in tune to the world around them. Sounds, lights, touch, etc...would still be heard, seen, and felt. Within the meditative state however, you have chosen to shut it out. You make the choice to tune out those things outside your own 'inner realm'. I hope that makes sense. LOL. Clove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 herbal remedies, shamelesswhisper@a... wrote: > In a message dated 12/17/01 9:37:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, > l_trin writes: > > << ******************* > It would be interesting to me to know if you ever experienced trance > or something close to trance while writing or reading poetry. > ~*~*~ > While reading Rumi, yes. My writing I tend to do in a still dazed state from > sleeping. Most of the stuff I write comes to me during that time between > waking and sleep...so it would be very difficult for me to tell if I was > trancing. > > So this is quite different from what music and rhythm > does, isn't it? >> > ~*~*~ > Would you think that it might be a heightened meditative state? > Clove ************ How do you define 'heightended meditative state', and what is the difference between this state and trance? (sorry, I don't know very much about these matters, as my field is literature, not medicine.) Katrin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2001 Report Share Posted December 22, 2001 You just hit on the fundamental problem with meditation. There are literally more definitions than there are gurus. There has never been a consistent medical definition for the term developed, although the Transcendental Meditation organization has a fairly good one, having done a lot of tests. At 03:19 PM 12/20/01 -0000, you wrote: \ >************ >How do you define 'heightended meditative state', and what is the >difference between this state and trance? >(sorry, I don't know very much about these matters, as my field is >literature, not medicine.) >Katrin > -- Michael Riversong ** Professional Harpist, Educator, and Writer ** RivEdu ** Phone: (307)635-0900 FAX (413)691-0399 http://home.earthlink.net/~mriversong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2001 Report Share Posted December 26, 2001 > ~*~*~ > Keeping in mind that this is strictly my opinion and based on no medicinal > fact... > Within trance, you are not aware of the world around you, yet awake and > possibly even mobile. > A heightened sense of meditation would be more in tune to the world around > them. Sounds, lights, touch, etc...would still be heard, seen, and felt. > Within the meditative state however, you have chosen to shut it out. You > make the choice to tune out those things outside your own 'inner realm'. > I hope that makes sense. LOL. > Clove ****************** Thanks, it certainly does make sence. What happens to me when I read certain poems certainly is not a 'full' trance, I am still aware of the world around me. That is why I call it 'light trance'. This is how Suryani and Jensen who wrote a book about trance and possession in Bali, callesd Suryani's state when she was meditating. So that seems to be what you call heightened sense. Anyway, as you say, in meditation you CHOOSE to tune out the world outside, but trance is something that just HAPPENS to you, isn't it? That is why I prefer to use the word trance in this case, not meditation. I do not choose to react that way to those poems, it just happens to me spontaneously, and it startled me quite a bit the first time it happened. Katrin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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