Guest guest Posted September 14, 2001 Report Share Posted September 14, 2001 Thanks for the backup on this Michael. I just didn't have the time to respond appropriately. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Michael Riversong herbal remedies Friday, September 14, 2001 7:51 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Re: Arab v. Westerner A person does not choose to be an Arab. Most Muslims were born into theirfaith, and didn't particularly choose it either. But being a psychiatristis a very deliberate choice, which requires putting 12 years of one's lifeinto intense, agonizing study. When you look at it, the original ideabehind psychiatry is excellent. Let's have some professionals out there whoknow all about conventional medicine, with an overlay of specializedknowledge of mental conditions. That way, these professionals can dothorough physical exams, find definite causes for mental problems, and usethe full arsenal of medical weaponry against these situations.Unfortunately, in practice this has rarely worked. Very few psychiatristsare in the habit of giving physical exams. Instead, they have followed alarge body of false data about the mind, and have fallen into working almostexclusively with mythical "brain chemistry" ideas which nobody canunderstand or validate. In reading psychiatric research papers, i have beenapalled at the consistent use of terminology which is found in no dictionaryand is never explained. It seems that these papers are put out todeliberately confuse people.There are a few good psychiatrists out there who are exposing the rampantfraud and torture perpetrated by too many members of their profession. Iadmire these people, and will refer friends to their work. Butunfortunately these comprise a very small minority among psychiatrists.When dealing with Muslims, i recommend reading the Koran. When dealing withpsychiatry, i recommend reading many well-researched works which expose theproblems. If you want to read original psychiatric papers, good luck,because you will find only confusion, deception, and outright fraud. Manyrational people find themselves very upset after reading such material. Sorailing against psychiatrists is not the same as ethnic bashing.At 02:45 AM 9/14/01 -0000, you wrote:>> Just found out that Osama bin Laden's right hand man is a >Psychiatrist.>> >> It figures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2001 Report Share Posted September 14, 2001 Deb, could it be that the FBI already knew their names and some were already on lists with ties to certain countries and leaders? The names in the car with the manual were the same names on the plane manifesto. They are not running blind here but thank goodness they are waiting for definite confirmation. Marti George Matcham wrote: It's surprising to me that everyone thinks they know already. Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2001 Report Share Posted September 14, 2001 I usually don't get offended by what people say but to suggest that our country did this to itself just to promote the military, especially in light of what is known is highly offensive. Marti Peela wrote: But the whole thing could be a huge, well designed set up for America to go to war to justify its huge military . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2001 Report Share Posted September 14, 2001 Peela, I could not get back to you til now but, I had a good laugh at your post. You must let me explain. My dd is married and living in Australia for the last 7 years. When she was home (in US) she loved the U.S. and now that she is in Australia and a permanent resident, she loves Australia and its Gov't. So my feeling is wherever you are (most) you love the Gov't you are under. Thank you Peela for your concern. I hear it from my daughter and son-in-law also, so we just say yep!You must be right and go about our business so as not to cause problems. Love them for their concern and you too! Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2001 Report Share Posted September 14, 2001 Thanks Doc Ian for giving Penny time. I think she is hurting pretty bad right now. Love to you, Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 Marti, So you think they accidently left their names on a manual? They planned this for several years and Whoops! Darn! We left our manuals in the car with our names on it, stoopid stoopid. Hmmmm --- MartiWI <blueheaven wrote: > Deb, could it be that the FBI already knew their > names and some were > already on lists with ties to certain countries and > leaders? The names > in the car with the manual were the same names on > the plane manifesto. > They are not running blind here but thank goodness > they are waiting for > definite confirmation. > > Marti > > George Matcham wrote: > > > It's surprising to me that everyone thinks they > know > > already. > > > > Deb > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews./fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 You said it Doc! Thank you Suzi "Ian Shillington N.D." <Dr.IanShillington wrote: Dear Peela, From your post, I can honestly tell that you really don't know Americans all that well and that you yourself have bought into some "Black Propaganda" against us Americans (and yes, even though I am a Canadian, I also consider myself an American as well). Americans are the first to admit that we are not perfect (have never claimed to be), and we are just as likely to impeach a President as praise one. If we have any fault which may be commonly agreed upon, it is that we get too complacent and falsely trusting of what happens around us close to home. This concept you have of America being a "War Mongering" nation is just plain false and is Communist propaganda from the 60's and 70's you've bought into. Oh, I admit to not minding our own business at times and to making mistakes in our foreign diplomacy and foreign actions at times, but overall our hearts are in the right place and the average American has a passion for freedom which we think should extend to others as well. We also have the ability and the luxury of "self criticism" which most other peoples do not. The problem with your post is the black propaganda which is false, is also interspersed with criticisms which we are already very well aware of, and is therefore not only redundant, but ill timed considering this is our time of mourning. While we are experiencing rage, anger, antagonism, a tremendous amount of grief, and yes even fear, it would be more appropriate for others who are not American to show at least a little sympathy and empathy rather than forward ememy propaganda which is false and interspersed with criticisms we are only too aware of. We may be somewhat arrogant, but we are not insensitive. We may not be too subtle, but we are at times passionate, compassionate, and generous to a fault. We may not be perfect, but overall I'd say that a majority of us try to look at the greatest good for all concerned. Peela, I think you need to take a walk in our shoes before you feel like getting critical again. Truly, you really don't know us all that well. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.505-772-5889Dr.IanShillington - Peela herbal remedies Friday, September 14, 2001 3:23 AM Re: [herbal remedies] Arab v. Westerner Hi,This is a pretty emotional time for all and I think its great we all get to really examine our own beliefs, prejudices, hatreds, etc. The spanner I would like to throw into the discussionis, who will benefit greatly from a war? The American military. Maybe I have been watching too many X-Files, but from over here in Australia, America is not the innocent country it likes to believe it is, and it is surprising sometimes to hear American propaganda- you guys do get fed a lot of it. There seems to be a widespread belief - only amongst Americans- that America is God's country, the best country in the world, the world's policeman etc.(I expect some feisty replies to that comment! I dont mean it to be racist against Americans- we are all people. We all get fed propaganda, but it just seems Americans get fed a hell of a lot about how terrific they are- in order to turn people's attention away from the evil things they have done to other nations, usually self righteously). I simply dont know the truth of the situation. It APPEARS to be terrorists from an Arab nation. But the whole thing could be a huge, well designed set up for America to go to war to justify its huge military . I may be way off- its just that I wouldnt be surprised.I am just suspicious of any situation that ends up in the president of America being given full personal power to exact military revenge against a nebulous enemy! American s 'trust' their president far too much! Anyway, as I say, I dont know, and I keep an open mind about it all. It is always sad when innocent people die, for the agendas of people they have never met.lovepeelaFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 They did a lot of stupid things. Now that we know who they were and the follow-up that has been done since, the mistakes stand out. No, they didn't accidentally do anything. At that point they didn't care whether people knew who they were or not. They didn't expect anything to be found until after the strike and after that it didn't matter. They've left all kinds of trails, even to suicide notes that have now been found. Look how many of the tickets were on one credit card and they weren't all on the same plane. Marti George Matcham wrote: Marti, So you think they accidently left their names on a manual? They planned this for several years and Whoops! Darn! We left our manuals in the car with our names on it, stoopid stoopid. Hmmmm --- MartiWI <blueheaven wrote: > Deb, could it be that the FBI already knew their > names and some were > already on lists with ties to certain countries and > leaders? The names > in the car with the manual were the same names on > the plane manifesto. > They are not running blind here but thank goodness > they are waiting for > definite confirmation. > > Marti > > George Matcham wrote: > > > It's surprising to me that everyone thinks they > know > > already. > > > > Deb > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews./fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 I am an American, born and raised in New York City and today because of a wonderful women I make my home in Australia. I have a daughter, Kathleen, who lives in New York attending New York University as a graduate student. She lives only a stones throw from the world trade center. I went through a living hell this week Everyone here in Australia gave me comfort and support. They prayed with me, they cried with me. Their is and will always be a small percentage of people in all societies who out of sheer ignorance, or greed set forth their own dogma. It is these people that we must always stand up to no matter what the consequence or we might just suffer as other cultures have in the past. And to Tom Murray, thanks mate. Michael --- Tom Murray <tom wrote: > Albert Einstein once said, if a person knew one > percent of one percent of > everything to be known then they would be the > smartest person in the world. > I would guess that the knowledge the governments of > the world release to us > is around the same figure. > and with that knowledge many of us have become > experts. > Believe me most Australians as myself are very > emotionally shaken by this. I > say good on you for having the positive arrogance > that lacks in some ways > from a lot of Australian people. The ability to > stand up and say I am the > best, wether that be a sporting contest or a cook > off or your chosen > profession, Americans may travel the world with a > degree of arrogance, WE > are the best attitude, but it is a healthy attitude > to adopt for a country. > maybe if we in Australia had a bit more of this, > more people would stand on > their own feet, believe in themselves and stop > blaming the government for > everything that ever goes wrong. > > Tom > > MartiWI [blueheaven] > Saturday, 15 September 2001 07:02 > herbal remedies > Re: [herbal remedies] Arab v. Westerner > > > I usually don't get offended by what people say > but to suggest that our > country did this to itself just to promote the > military, especially in light > of what is known is highly offensive. > Marti > > Peela wrote: > > But the whole thing could be a huge, well > designed set up for > America to go to war to justify its huge > military . > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the > following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician > before using any natural > remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be > your own physician and > to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are > welcome to post here as long > as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are > exactly that, and any > person > following the advice of anyone posting here does > so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting > advice or products from > list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold > the List Owner and > members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 History of the Arabs is that they are split up with fierce tribal mentality and that they probably could never mount a complete gathering of the Arab world, to start and finish a military war against the west. But along comes a new group, the radical Muslim Arab, who perhaps is not religious but knows that he/they can gain control of the Arab o Muslim world thru religion..This idea is not new as it was used effectively about 1400 years ago by the Muslims. That time these so called religious zealos took control of the world from the Gangis river on the east to Spain in the West, and including northern Africa , and central Asia. The political scheme achieved in the name of god worked well for them. Humans have been killing themselves for their ideas for quite a long time. Most recently, a teacher of " life on other worlds " convinced a large group of men to castrate themselves and then commit suicide so that they could meet up with their fellow space men on a passing comet. It cannot be difficult to understand how a leader of a sect or country can convince zealot s to die for a so-called just cause, it is nothing new, and it has been happening for ages. If these new leaders within the Arab or Muslim world achieve their goals of uniting their world using religion as a basis of their new creed then the West is facing a War which it might not win . Michael --- Peela <peelasacha wrote: > What would someone have to do to you, > to your children, > to your family, > to make you prepared to kill yourself in order to > make > yourself heard? > Why have these people, who have mothers and fathers, > children, and friends, done this? > What has driven them? > > love > peela > > ===== > May the long time sun shine upon you, all love > suround you, and the pure light within you guide > your way on. > Traditional Blessing > > > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? > Donate cash, emergency relief information > http://dailynews./fc/US/Emergency_Information/ > Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews./fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 Hi Everyone, Nice to meet you in such precarious times. Im Canadian and send my support and condolences for those who succumbed and were wounded on 9-11. Also... Salute to those helping out! Im wondering if anyone can give me some very concrete information on healing Hepatitis C naturally. I have no damage, normal enzymes and have a naturopath and homeopath. Anything I could suggest to them? Is there a protocol anyone is aware of. Im familiar with milk thistle, co q 10, glutathione, c and e/. Please let me know amounts, brands and anything you might be able to share with me. Also looking for remedy for pleurisy for a freind. Thank you Kim Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews./fc/US/Emergency_Information/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2001 Report Share Posted September 15, 2001 Dear List: I am normally a silent student of this list, absorbing the tremendous knowledge of its members, of which I am truely grateful. But as the days go by and the focus has changed here, I am truely saddened by many of the comments and views expressed on a list dedicated to healing. So I humbley (Sp?) submit my opinions. First and foremost I submit that America, as a nation is grieving. Part of that process is first a numbing shock and then anger. We must go through this to heal. Soon, as the days go on, especially for the rescue workers and family members of the missing, a dispair will set in and then finally acceptance will follow. These are all necessary for healthy healing. So as those in other countries watch what America is going through, please do not judge us too harshly as we go through this process! Other countries around the world have all the time in the world to discuss our reaction, they have not been attacked at this time. They have not had their whole way of life changed in one hour! There is a huge difference between revenge and justice. Our leaders are taking their time,compiling the evidence,and most important, are gathering allies into a coalition to fight terrorism around the world, not just for this one incident but for oppressed people everywhere. America has been infiltrated by " sleeper " agents who have lived here sometimes for years! They have benefited from our freedoms, utilized our financial and educational opportunities. To those of you not living in America, I submit...how do you know there are not " sleeper agents " lying in wait in your own countries waiting for the code to attack? Finally, the anger is normal but to those who stereotype and lump together by race nationality or religion I say, Please,Please,Please! open your hearts and minds! America has long been called a melting pot of various nationalities. Sadly, discrimination and prejudice has long been woven into our history. Hopefully, we have learned from history and will not repeat the disgrace of the aftermath of WWII and the Americans of Japanese decent. We need to come together as AMERICANS, take out the hyphen, in prayer and comfort to ALL and begin to heal our wounded land, Body,Mind and Spirit. God Bless You All Jeanni Rogers Spokane WA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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