Guest guest Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 This is great information! Thanks for posting it. The only things i would recommend adding are these points: When people are diabetic, fasting is much more tricky. Diabetics should make sure there is someone around at all times when fasting, just in case there's a crash. [More research on this particular point is needed. Anyone who is aware of specific studies concerning diabetes and fasting, please let us all know more.] Some people don't do so well with fruit first thing in the morning. It makes some of us lightheaded. If that's the case, then it is better to make fruit a dinner or late night snack. In fact much of my weight loss came from simply avoiding high-fat meals late at night and substituting fruit at those times specifically. And the main thing, is to remember that in the Bible we are specifically told to be happy when fasting. This can be difficult, but i do believe this particular command creates great health benefits when followed. At 03:51 PM 9/7/01 -0000, you wrote: >Hi Steve, > >I have done several types and lengths of fasting, including colonics >or enemas, juicing etc. I have also read God knows how much >information on the subject, and my partner has done twice the amount >of cleansing/fasting that I have. >You might try juice fasting one day a week. Doing this over 6 months >or a year's time can really clean you up if your diet the rest of the >week is decent and it fits into a busy schedule pretty well. After >some weeks you may even be able to choose a fasting day as a work day, >at least I can, but of course that's individual. In fact, after >becoming an experienced faster, it actually made my day at work >smoother. Even if you have to purchase the juice (if available) it >will be SAVING you money. >Also like Jamie mentioned, I notice a significant detox effect just by >adding 2 small cups (4-6 ozs per) of fresh veggie juice when I am >eating normally. My latest choice is carrot, spinach, garlic. >The other powerful detoxers I have had success with are the vitamin C >flush and liver cleanse. Seems like I have seen you posting on >those... Anyway, I'm not sure what folks here are saying about how >often to do the vitamin C flush, but once a month is pretty >conservative, I have done it more often, and Linda Page recommends it >for several weeks in a row for SOME conditions. Of course then you >get into the debate over possible kidney damage. I have done the >liver flush 8 times in 2 years. >Here are some other things I have done singly or in combination with >other stuff: >Eating large amounts of fruit 1st meal of the day - an obvious one, >but if your diet tolerates fruit, over time this can really clean you out. >Eating 50% raw diet and using sprouted grain bread as my basic bread >source. Of course not only eating that, but using those as the base >of my diet. >Someone also refered to keeping the bowels flowing. If you can do >that for a year or so, you can bet that your body will have had time >to catch up on eliminating the stocked up toxins. I have gotten used >to imagining how everything I put in my mouth will come out the other >end! And what I've found is that I have accumulated a great number of >cleaning 'meals'. For example I can have 4 shredded carrots with >tahini and lemon dressing, maybe add herbs or dress it to my liking, >with grilled eggplant dressed in pesto and not only am I completely >satisfied for dinner, but the next day I know it drags out more than >what went in! I also practice food combining, and swear by it, but >lots of people think it's ridiculous. >I too had my amalgams removed about 3 months ago - all 12 of them! >Until you get them out, stay away from chewing gum. Chewing gum >releases something like 200% more mercury into your mouth than normal. > At least so the dentist that did mine claims. >Personally I wanted to clean out my body more slowly than my partner >for example, and I found that I spent a lot less money than what I was >spending previously. It can certainly be done without spending a dime >on supplements even, although I've used plenty of those as well. Even >though it took 2 years to evolve to a diet that I'm satisfied with as >'healthy', I noticed differences immediately when using these small >techniques. > >By the way, I guess I haven't really formally introduced myself on >this list before, so it looks like this is it! My website says lots >more, and it's not commercial, so I hope it's ok to post here. If >not, someone please let me know.... >Best to you Steve! >Thessa >www.mypath.net > >herbal remedies, " Steve " <bigbird3969@m...> wrote: >> I have a few books on detox, a few others that briefly cover it, and >several articles that go into juice fasting, and the like, but I need >to quit procrastinating as I have never done any kind of fast except >using AM/PM Ultimate Cleanse by Nature's Secret, which mostly get's >you regular, and does some basic cleaning I guess. The only problem >is, that you don't really change your eating habits which doesn't help >but so much. >> >> Everything that I've read, takes alot of rest and some dedication, >and the problem is I very seldom have 2-3 days off together, and when >i do, We usually go out of town, as this job also interferes with my >social life. Another problem is owing too much money to be buying 1/2 >of what I do buy, much less anything extra. And also, I eat as many >organics as I can, and grow a small amount of herbs, but nothing to >really use for cleansing; and live in an apartment with very limited >growing space and/or conditions. I also can't find a full realm of >organics, and they are " expensive " as a whole around here. >> >> Okay, besides me being 44+ and never have done a " cleanse " , I have >come up with some skin conditions on my feet (was alot worse, but went >away, and now is back in a small couple of patches), in the crease of >my leg around my genitals (where I used tea tree oil, vitamin E, and >calendula, but didn't dilute the tea tree oil enough, and 'irritated >it " ), and recently, I have been having more headaches (more meaning >instead of once or twice a year, more like several times a month), >which I attributed to the stress of the job, debt, etc.. I've also had >dental amalgams since before I was 16, and have had 2 redone in gold >inlays, but don't have the time, money, etc. to get them taken out, >though I have been checking different angles over the past year or so. >> >> Is there something to be suggested that I can do to get results >until I can get in better financial (etc.) situations, that can >improve my sleep and the other above conditions? I believe that if >everything starts getting back to normal, my attitude, spirituality, >etc. will fall in place, though it may take more work than that, but >it would be the beginning! >> >> >> In Health, >> Steve > > > >Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: >1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. >2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. >3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to >prescribe for your own health. >We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as >they behave themselves. >Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person >following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. >It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to >be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > >Dr. Ian Shillington >Doctor of Naturopathy >Dr.IanShillington > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2001 Report Share Posted September 9, 2001 Yes, good points Michael. I will say that I have no experience with blood sugar conditions and fasting - diabetes or hypoglycemia. Certainly Ian's success using the Total Body Cleanse might be a more traveled/successful route in that arena. I used to work at a health food store where we used a program similar to the Total Body Cleanse and I remember at least one diabetic responding well. Also a good thing to note is that people get lightheaded, headaches, irritability, sometimes nausea, diahrea etc when cleansing, especially at the beginning. Not only can fruit cause lightheadedness, but also a lot of people experience cleansing effects just by drinking a glass of veggie juice! It's good to go slow if you are noticing these types of symptoms with a light cleansing meal, juice or fruit. For weight loss my partner often recommends exactly what you said, replace either lunch or dinner with as much fruit as you like 3 or 4 times a week. It seems to be easy for people to follow and they are losing weight on a healthy schedule. As for the bible telling us to be happy while fasting, I must say, it can be one of the grouchiest times to be around me if I am really in need of a cleanse! Only after a few cleanses was I feeling serene, calm, and meditative. herbal remedies, Michael Riversong <rivedu@e...> wrote: > This is great information! Thanks for posting it. > > The only things i would recommend adding are these points: > > When people are diabetic, fasting is much more tricky. Diabetics should > make sure there is someone around at all times when fasting, just in case > there's a crash. [More research on this particular point is needed. Anyone > who is aware of specific studies concerning diabetes and fasting, please let > us all know more.] > > Some people don't do so well with fruit first thing in the morning. It > makes some of us lightheaded. If that's the case, then it is better to make > fruit a dinner or late night snack. In fact much of my weight loss came > from simply avoiding high-fat meals late at night and substituting fruit at > those times specifically. > > And the main thing, is to remember that in the Bible we are specifically > told to be happy when fasting. This can be difficult, but i do believe this > particular command creates great health benefits when followed. > > At 03:51 PM 9/7/01 -0000, you wrote: > >Hi Steve, > > > >I have done several types and lengths of fasting, including colonics > >or enemas, juicing etc. I have also read God knows how much > >information on the subject, and my partner has done twice the amount > >of cleansing/fasting that I have. > >You might try juice fasting one day a week. Doing this over 6 months > >or a year's time can really clean you up if your diet the rest of the > >week is decent and it fits into a busy schedule pretty well. After > >some weeks you may even be able to choose a fasting day as a work day, > >at least I can, but of course that's individual. In fact, after > >becoming an experienced faster, it actually made my day at work > >smoother. Even if you have to purchase the juice (if available) it > >will be SAVING you money. > >Also like Jamie mentioned, I notice a significant detox effect just by > >adding 2 small cups (4-6 ozs per) of fresh veggie juice when I am > >eating normally. My latest choice is carrot, spinach, garlic. > >The other powerful detoxers I have had success with are the vitamin C > >flush and liver cleanse. Seems like I have seen you posting on > >those... Anyway, I'm not sure what folks here are saying about how > >often to do the vitamin C flush, but once a month is pretty > >conservative, I have done it more often, and Linda Page recommends it > >for several weeks in a row for SOME conditions. Of course then you > >get into the debate over possible kidney damage. I have done the > >liver flush 8 times in 2 years. > >Here are some other things I have done singly or in combination with > >other stuff: > >Eating large amounts of fruit 1st meal of the day - an obvious one, > >but if your diet tolerates fruit, over time this can really clean you out. > >Eating 50% raw diet and using sprouted grain bread as my basic bread > >source. Of course not only eating that, but using those as the base > >of my diet. > >Someone also refered to keeping the bowels flowing. If you can do > >that for a year or so, you can bet that your body will have had time > >to catch up on eliminating the stocked up toxins. I have gotten used > >to imagining how everything I put in my mouth will come out the other > >end! And what I've found is that I have accumulated a great number of > >cleaning 'meals'. For example I can have 4 shredded carrots with > >tahini and lemon dressing, maybe add herbs or dress it to my liking, > >with grilled eggplant dressed in pesto and not only am I completely > >satisfied for dinner, but the next day I know it drags out more than > >what went in! I also practice food combining, and swear by it, but > >lots of people think it's ridiculous. > >I too had my amalgams removed about 3 months ago - all 12 of them! > >Until you get them out, stay away from chewing gum. Chewing gum > >releases something like 200% more mercury into your mouth than normal. > > At least so the dentist that did mine claims. > >Personally I wanted to clean out my body more slowly than my partner > >for example, and I found that I spent a lot less money than what I was > >spending previously. It can certainly be done without spending a dime > >on supplements even, although I've used plenty of those as well. Even > >though it took 2 years to evolve to a diet that I'm satisfied with as > >'healthy', I noticed differences immediately when using these small > >techniques. > > > >By the way, I guess I haven't really formally introduced myself on > >this list before, so it looks like this is it! My website says lots > >more, and it's not commercial, so I hope it's ok to post here. If > >not, someone please let me know.... > >Best to you Steve! > >Thessa > >www.mypath.net > > > >herbal remedies, " Steve " <bigbird3969@m...> wrote: > >> I have a few books on detox, a few others that briefly cover it, and > >several articles that go into juice fasting, and the like, but I need > >to quit procrastinating as I have never done any kind of fast except > >using AM/PM Ultimate Cleanse by Nature's Secret, which mostly get's > >you regular, and does some basic cleaning I guess. The only problem > >is, that you don't really change your eating habits which doesn't help > >but so much. > >> > >> Everything that I've read, takes alot of rest and some dedication, > >and the problem is I very seldom have 2-3 days off together, and when > >i do, We usually go out of town, as this job also interferes with my > >social life. Another problem is owing too much money to be buying 1/2 > >of what I do buy, much less anything extra. And also, I eat as many > >organics as I can, and grow a small amount of herbs, but nothing to > >really use for cleansing; and live in an apartment with very limited > >growing space and/or conditions. I also can't find a full realm of > >organics, and they are " expensive " as a whole around here. > >> > >> Okay, besides me being 44+ and never have done a " cleanse " , I have > >come up with some skin conditions on my feet (was alot worse, but went > >away, and now is back in a small couple of patches), in the crease of > >my leg around my genitals (where I used tea tree oil, vitamin E, and > >calendula, but didn't dilute the tea tree oil enough, and 'irritated > >it " ), and recently, I have been having more headaches (more meaning > >instead of once or twice a year, more like several times a month), > >which I attributed to the stress of the job, debt, etc.. I've also had > >dental amalgams since before I was 16, and have had 2 redone in gold > >inlays, but don't have the time, money, etc. to get them taken out, > >though I have been checking different angles over the past year or so. > >> > >> Is there something to be suggested that I can do to get results > >until I can get in better financial (etc.) situations, that can > >improve my sleep and the other above conditions? I believe that if > >everything starts getting back to normal, my attitude, spirituality, > >etc. will fall in place, though it may take more work than that, but > >it would be the beginning! > >> > >> > >> In Health, > >> Steve > > > > > > > >Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > >1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > >2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural > remedy. > >3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > >prescribe for your own health. > >We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > >they behave themselves. > >Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > >following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > >It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from > list members, you are agreeing to > >be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and > members free of any liability. > > > >Dr. Ian Shillington > >Doctor of Naturopathy > >Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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