Guest guest Posted August 23, 2001 Report Share Posted August 23, 2001 Hi all. I have a grandson that has ADHD. I don't wont him to take anymore meds from the doc. He's been loosing weight. He hasn't gained his weight back through the summer even though he hasn't been on his meds. I'm looking for something that can help him. Please can somebody help me. Thank You Read From U LaterTrish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2001 Report Share Posted August 24, 2001 Hi Trish, Its more complex than just substituting a herb or two for the meds. There are relaxant herbs, herbs for stimulating and healing the brain, etc, but I think we would have to have more details. Like, what is his diet like? Do his parents give him consistant boundaries? What is his birth history? What is is scool/teacher like? Well, thats where I would begin asking questions. ADHD is just a label, and every child is unique and neds to be approached individually- there are no miracle cures, and I am not sure its even a disease. It takes a total approach. And much can be done. My stepdaughter was diagnosed ADD several years ago and her mother wanted to put her on meds, to help her academic results, but my husband, her dad, who is a naturopath, brought my stepdaughter to the computer and looked up all the sights he could find on the negative effects of the drugs- and she refused to take them. Her mum was furious but it felt really important, we didnt like going against her mum. So I have a bit of experience, we gave her lots of magnesium and really really clear directions and boundaries, and keep her off sugar mostly.Thats the most we can do- its up to her mum mostly. She is always a handful when she comes to stay, though she is 13 now, but at least she is a bright spark, not a drugged one. Her mum is ok now, and supports her artistic creative side. There is a way for every kid, but its individual. Perhaps you could give us some background. love Peela --- Geema <geema52 wrote: > Hi all. > I have a grandson that has ADHD. I don't wont him > to take anymore meds from the doc. He's been > loosing weight. He hasn't gained his weight back > through the summer even though he hasn't been on his > meds. I'm looking for something that can help him. > Please can somebody help me. > Thank You > Read From U Later > Trish > ===== May the long time sun shine upon you, all love suround you, and the pure light within you guide your way on. Traditional Blessing Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger http://phonecard./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2001 Report Share Posted August 27, 2001 I totally agree with Peela Here, even people as myself as untrained as I am have a few life experiences that may or may not help. but through all my days of not getting answers from doctors I have never found a group more helpful than this one. whilst I would be foolish to take everything here as gospel, you simply cant turn you're back on the combined thousands of years experience that this group has. one experience ive had with liver problems was one of the numbers of my LFT liver function test was a little low, with a treatment of Milk Thistle over a few week period and a further blood test ,all numbers were normal. With the liver being the largest organ of the body (I Dispute the skin thing) it will quiet often let you know if its not well, it may cramp,spasm,twitch or just ache. My experience has told me that modern medicine has some great diagnostic machines and nature has some great remedies to apply to this information. Not being trained means I shall never quote anything from text, but I will relay my own experiences to others looking for answers. You see many of us have been through all sorts of life's experiences, so don't right us off. The very untrained Tom Murray. Peela [peelasacha]Wednesday, 29 August 2001 04:41herbal remedies Subject: Re: [herbal remedies] ADHD Herbal RemediesIn> a case this serious and complex, people on an email> list can do very little.> Michael,I take a little offense at you speaking for everyoneon this list, some of whom are naturopaths abdherbalists working with clients, and writing us alloff because of your diagnosis that his case is veryserious and complex and beyond us to comment upon.Also, its not necessarily 'serious liver damage', andthough it may be, it is a pretty scary thing to say.I would like more information, as I wrote before. Andof course, if the parents can find a good doctor tohelp, well great, but if not, why tell her to give upon us so soon? That no one here can help? This is aHerbal Remedy list, and I dont think its appropriateto recommend doctors- although of course there are afew gems out there, and they can be useful. And testscan be useful.There are 555 people on this list, perhaps there aresome gems of information that can help. Can inspire.Can point in helpful directions. Can tell ofexperiences to encourage her to keep going. yes, maybe its serious, but where is she going tostart? i think here is a good place, a wonderfulplace.my opinion, no hard feelings, just needed to say itlovePeela=====May the long time sun shine upon you, all love suround you, and the pure light within you guide your way on.Traditional BlessingMake international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messengerhttp://phonecard./Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 There are no herbal remedies for ADHD. That's because it was never a real disease in the first place. First off, it is helpful to realize that the whole ADHD thing is a huge fraud perpetrated by mostly foreign drug companies solely for their own profit. They are willing to sacrifice any number of children to this insane scam. Some of the doctors who prescribe these medications are good people who have been duped, but others are just plain evil, and are direct desendants of those who once worshipped Moloch (look that up in your Bible)! However, it is likely that your grandson will need herbs to repair the damage done to his body by the drugs. Depending on what he was given, and how long he was doped up, there will be varying levels of damage to several internal organs, including the brain, stomach, intestines, and liver. Of these, the most likely to suffer permanent damage is the liver. There will also be residues of the drugs in fatty tissues scattered around his body, which may trigger cravings for more stimulant drugs in the future. Depending on where you are, it may be possible to find an honest and dedicated physician who will handle this properly. There needs to be a complete diagnostic workup on this child, and a total analysis of his nutritional patterns. This is not something that can be learned overnight. Once the level of damage is properly assessed, then a program of herbs can be put together. I suspect that this program will involve several different medicines in a rotation, specific dietary changes, and specific vitamins for the next several years. I'm saying this because you mentioned weight loss and the fact that the weight did not come back after the drugs were discontinued. That's often, but not always, a sign of severe liver damage. That's why i so strongly recommend that you get him to an honest doctor. In a case this serious and complex, people on an email list can do very little. At 09:42 PM 8/22/01 -0700, you wrote: >Hi all. > I have a grandson that has ADHD. I don't wont him to take anymore meds from the doc. He's been loosing weight. He hasn't gained his weight back through the summer even though he hasn't been on his meds. I'm looking for something that can help him. Please can somebody help me. >Thank You >Read From U Later >Trish -- Michael Riversong ** Professional Harpist, Educator, and Writer ** RivEdu ** Phone: (307)635-0900 FAX (413)691-0399 http://home.earthlink.net/~mriversong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 In > a case this serious and complex, people on an email > list can do very little. > Michael, I take a little offense at you speaking for everyone on this list, some of whom are naturopaths abd herbalists working with clients, and writing us all off because of your diagnosis that his case is very serious and complex and beyond us to comment upon. Also, its not necessarily 'serious liver damage', and though it may be, it is a pretty scary thing to say. I would like more information, as I wrote before. And of course, if the parents can find a good doctor to help, well great, but if not, why tell her to give up on us so soon? That no one here can help? This is a Herbal Remedy list, and I dont think its appropriate to recommend doctors- although of course there are a few gems out there, and they can be useful. And tests can be useful. There are 555 people on this list, perhaps there are some gems of information that can help. Can inspire. Can point in helpful directions. Can tell of experiences to encourage her to keep going. yes, maybe its serious, but where is she going to start? i think here is a good place, a wonderful place. my opinion, no hard feelings, just needed to say it love Peela ===== May the long time sun shine upon you, all love suround you, and the pure light within you guide your way on. Traditional Blessing Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger http://phonecard./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2001 Report Share Posted August 29, 2001 Dear Peela, I second your thoughts on this. One can never put forward a defeatist attitude. I have learnt a lot from others on this list and have used information to help others..Love Penny Peela wrote: > In > > a case this serious and complex, people on an email > > list can do very little. > > > Michael, > I take a little offense at you speaking for everyone > on this list, some of whom are naturopaths abd > herbalists working with clients, and writing us all > off because of your diagnosis that his case is very > serious and complex and beyond us to comment upon. > Also, its not necessarily 'serious liver damage', and > though it may be, it is a pretty scary thing to say. > I would like more information, as I wrote before. And > of course, if the parents can find a good doctor to > help, well great, but if not, why tell her to give up > on us so soon? That no one here can help? This is a > Herbal Remedy list, and I dont think its appropriate > to recommend doctors- although of course there are a > few gems out there, and they can be useful. And tests > can be useful. > There are 555 people on this list, perhaps there are > some gems of information that can help. Can inspire. > Can point in helpful directions. Can tell of > experiences to encourage her to keep going. > yes, maybe its serious, but where is she going to > start? i think here is a good place, a wonderful > place. > my opinion, no hard feelings, just needed to say it > love > Peela > > ===== > May the long time sun shine upon you, all love suround you, and the pure light within you guide your way on. > Traditional Blessing > > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger > http://phonecard./ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2001 Report Share Posted August 30, 2001 This was NOT defeatism. Sorry i was misunderstood here. What is important in a case like this, is that a personal relationship in real time, with physical examinations, is necessary when symptoms like those presented in the original email are happening. I don't think anything can be done by remote email when the symptoms are this serious, and i don't want to mislead someone into thinking that they can take some herb and everything will be peachy. That's not the way it works when children's bodies have been damaged by serious drugs! At 10:10 AM 8/29/01 -0400, you wrote: >Dear Peela, > I second your thoughts on this. One can never put forward a defeatist attitude. > I have learnt a lot from others on this list and have used information to help others..Love Penny > >Peela wrote: > >> In >> > a case this serious and complex, people on an email >> > list can do very little. >> > >> Michael, >> I take a little offense at you speaking for everyone >> on this list, some of whom are naturopaths abd >> herbalists working with clients, and writing us all >> off because of your diagnosis that his case is very >> serious and complex and beyond us to comment upon. >> Also, its not necessarily 'serious liver damage', and >> though it may be, it is a pretty scary thing to say. >> I would like more information, as I wrote before. And >> of course, if the parents can find a good doctor to >> help, well great, but if not, why tell her to give up >> on us so soon? That no one here can help? This is a >> Herbal Remedy list, and I dont think its appropriate >> to recommend doctors- although of course there are a >> few gems out there, and they can be useful. And tests >> can be useful. >> There are 555 people on this list, perhaps there are >> some gems of information that can help. Can inspire. >> Can point in helpful directions. Can tell of >> experiences to encourage her to keep going. >> yes, maybe its serious, but where is she going to >> start? i think here is a good place, a wonderful >> place. >> my opinion, no hard feelings, just needed to say it >> love >> Peela >> >> ===== >> May the long time sun shine upon you, all love suround you, and the pure light within you guide your way on. >> Traditional Blessing >> >> >> >> Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger >> http://phonecard./ >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2001 Report Share Posted August 31, 2001 I don't think > anything can be done by > remote email when the symptoms are this serious, Much can be done by talking to caring people. We are what we are, and we have much to offer. Again, I disagree, on a human level much can be offered here on many issues. It is not a substitute for face to face diagnosis and consultation, but it is rude to discount what we can offer. I have children ,and a step child with ADHD who is also skinny, part of which can be put down to her very high strung nature. It wouldnt take much for her to get skinnier and I would be very concerned if she did but it may not be so hard to bring her back into balance. One would hope no one would rely on a list like this to deal with serious issues, but it could open possibilities for people who otherwise wouldnt even go to a natural therapist, for financial reasons, doubt about what they could do, pressure from relatives/ husbands not to try this sort of stuff, many reasons. Perhaps the grandmother needs more information to convince her daughter to visit a naturopath, and she needs to gather information. I would like to think nothing is too serious to discuss here, keeping in mind we are what we are, an online email discussion group with a wealth of talent and experience to draw from and share. People do need to take responsibility, it seems you are concerned we will mislead and innapropriately mistreat her grandson, but i think we are mostly sensitive to the complexities involved. I myself have an interest in ADHD and an interest in working with children with ADHD, so I am keen not to scare everyone off from commenting, I would like to learn of people's experiences. my 2 cents, once again love Peela ===== May the long time sun shine upon you, all love suround you, and the pure light within you guide your way on. Traditional Blessing Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Messenger http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2001 Report Share Posted September 1, 2001 Nobody is being written off here. Note that i said an herbal program could be put together once there was a full diagnostic workup on the boy. But before that's done, any kind of program could be counter-productive. We have to know what we're dealing with to the greatest extent possible before medicines are offered. That's good common sense in a medical situation. Actually i should also have added that there are other possibilities here, unrelated to drugs. I know liver damage is a side effect of three common medications for ADHD, but such damage can also result from other factors. And, a child losing weight and not gaining it back could have some other condition, like leukemia or hepatitis. All these possibilities need to be checked in the absence of other information.b That said, Milk Thistle has been highly praised by many. It grows profusely in some parts of Colorado and Wyoming. I really would like to know more about it. Anybody have more info on this particular herb? At 11:46 AM 8/27/01 +1000, you wrote: >I totally agree with Peela Here, even people as myself as untrained as I am >have a few life experiences that may or may not help. but through all my >days of not getting answers from doctors I have never found a group more >helpful than this one. whilst I would be foolish to take everything here as >gospel, you simply cant turn you're back on the combined thousands of years >experience that this group has. >one experience ive had with liver problems was one of the numbers of my LFT >liver function test was a little low, with a treatment of Milk Thistle over >a few week period and a further blood test ,all numbers were normal. >With the liver being the largest organ of the body (I Dispute the skin >thing) it will quiet often let you know if its not well, it may >cramp,spasm,twitch or just ache. My experience has told me that modern >medicine has some great diagnostic machines and nature has some great >remedies to apply to this information. >Not being trained means I shall never quote anything from text, but I will >relay my own experiences to others looking for answers. >You see many of us have been through all sorts of life's experiences, so >don't right us off. > >The very untrained >Tom Murray. -- Michael Riversong ** Professional Harpist, Educator, and Writer ** RivEdu ** Phone: (307)635-0900 FAX (413)691-0399 http://home.earthlink.net/~mriversong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2001 Report Share Posted September 1, 2001 Fair enough. I agree with what you're saying here. Are you getting a chance to work with any ADHD kids these days? That can be a real joy. I sometimes like to say, " the deficit of attention is too often with the people surrounding the child. " It is amazing how just a little bit of work with a kid can have a huge effect. I personally like the old American principle of older kids helping the younger ones. When properly supervised, that tends to be a very powerful method of education. It is the exact opposite of what goes on in most classrooms, where too often a teacher will have to ignore some kids just to keep going through the all-important curriculum. My favorite quote on ADHD comes from Joe Bob Briggs: " These days they're drugging boys just for being normal boys. " At 07:48 AM 8/31/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Much can be done by talking to caring people. We are >what we are, and we have much to offer. Again, I >disagree, on a human level much can be offered here on >many issues. It is not a substitute for face to face >diagnosis and consultation, but it is rude to discount >what we can offer. >I have children ,and a step child with ADHD who is >also skinny, part of which can be put down to her very >high strung nature. It wouldnt take much for her to >get skinnier and I would be very concerned if she did >but it may not be so hard to bring her back into >balance. >One would hope no one would rely on a list like this >to deal with serious issues, but it could open >possibilities for people who otherwise wouldnt even go >to a natural therapist, for financial reasons, doubt >about what they could do, pressure from relatives/ >husbands not to try this sort of stuff, many reasons. >Perhaps the grandmother needs more information to >convince her daughter to visit a naturopath, and she >needs to gather information. >I would like to think nothing is too serious to >discuss here, keeping in mind we are what we are, an >online email discussion group with a wealth of talent >and experience to draw from and share. People do need >to take responsibility, it seems you are concerned we >will mislead and innapropriately mistreat her >grandson, but i think we are mostly sensitive to the >complexities involved. >I myself have an interest in ADHD and an interest in >working with children with ADHD, so I am keen not to >scare everyone off from commenting, I would like to >learn of people's experiences. >my 2 cents, once again >love >Peela > > >===== >May the long time sun shine upon you, all love suround you, and the pure light within you guide your way on. >Traditional Blessing > -- Michael Riversong ** Professional Harpist, Educator, and Writer ** RivEdu ** Phone: (307)635-0900 FAX (413)691-0399 http://home.earthlink.net/~mriversong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2001 Report Share Posted September 1, 2001 > Are you getting a chance to work with any ADHD kids > these days? That can be > a real joy. I havnt as yet, i qualified last year and am slowly building a practice, but it is an area I am really interested in. My husband is ADHD, (self diagnosed) and was expelled from 3 kindergartens and highschool. He was the violent type. He has basically overcome it through meditation and healing, and is now a healer and spiritual teacher with a lot of wisdom to share, and a deep understanding of people. His oldest daughter has been diagnosed with it, but as i said previously, my husband refused to let her be medicated. He said if he had been medicated, he wouldnt be who he is today. I have watched my two children very closely for signs, but they seem quite balanced- my son is just a normally boisterous and mischevious 5 year old, my daughter is very practical and grounded. My step daughter's mother studied psychology and did her thesis on ADHD. Thats why she wanted to put her daughter on the drugs. She had 'evidence' and statistics saying she should- and a lot of guilt as a mother. I dont blame her at all. I want to work with kids, and I have talked to parents whose kids are on the drugs who dont like it, but dont know what else to do, the kids are so off the planet at home and school. The parents are convinced their child has a disorder. I can only say so much, the parents want to do their best, but its hard, the doctors and teachers tell them the drugs are whats best for the child. 3 lots of parents have said they will come and see me but havnt. Hopefully they got help somewhere. Its really horrible, I feel pretty strongly about it, as you obviously do too, Michael. love Peela ===== May the long time sun shine upon you, all love suround you, and the pure light within you guide your way on. Traditional Blessing Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Messenger http://im. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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