Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 In a message dated 2/5/2005 3:37:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ienvan writes: What does Your Body feel from soy? After all, it is the only authority that matters! Great Question!!!!! ok . . tofu --- well feels like i have ingested plastic when its in its over cooked chewy spongy state if it is in its cooked whole bean edamame state its ok on occasion too much will again feel like its locking up my cell structure. when tofu is thrown in last second into a fabulous flavorful veggie dish and is left to cook for maybe 2 minute just to heat it and soak up the flavor of the sauce it feels fine again as long as I don't over do it .. once a week at most. gkb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 The question of soy came up again on another list. It has been touted as a panacea for a densely populated world and reviled as a hard to digest allergenic non-food. I would love to ask everyone on this list: What does Your Body feel from soy? After all, it is the only authority that matters! The whole pendulum swing regarding soy is so typical of the way this culture goes about things. It looks for a magic bullet, the "this for that" approach. Then the magic bullet gets taken out of its cultural context and hyped up out of all proportion. Then we have to take some steps back and the pendulum swings widely in the opposite direction. We have seen this with the carb thing. If Japanese women have hardly any menopause problems it must be this one factor, phyto-estrogens from soy. Aha! the magic bullet! Never mind that they have a totally different way of cooking/eating/living. Originally soy was not considered edible. It was used as green manure to replenish the soil. In the cultures where soy was used it was later used mainly in fermented form. It still is. Soy is known as a cooling food. Raw tofu is used by monks to dampen the inner fire. In the Western paradigm it is said to slow down the thyroid gland. In Japan tofu is often served with seaweed which of course nourishes the thyroid. It is also usually served in combination with warming spices like garlic, ginger and pepper, usually in miso soup. Yum. Traditionally Tofu is served in small quantities as part of a meal. It is not used as a substitute for dairy. I consider Tofu cheesecake an insult to two great foods. It is always best to eat foods that have not been tortured and denatured. That includes much that passes for "health food" just because it has no meat or dairy. Read the labels of some fake meat or fake anything at the health food store. Like those horrid pretend cheeses or pretend pepperoni slices with "liquid smoke" as flavouring. Ask yourself how much torture this food had to go through to become edible. Why eat pretend anything? More on that topic another time. Before flipping over into the next "soy=bad" extreme, do some reading and observing. Here are two links, pro and con soy. Both the Weston Price foundation and Robert Cohen's Not Milk website have tons of bewildering information. They each accuse the other of being in the pay of lobbyists. My sympathy is with the Weston Price people. http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html http://notmilk.com/joyofsoy.html As always, ask your body how it feels! We have an ageing hippie in Nelson, B.C. who makes wonderful fresh tofu from non-GM organic soy beans. We buy it from the health food store where it is kept in the fridge in water that gets rinsed twice a day. I use about a pound a week, usually marinated with garlic and ginger. It leaves me feeling really well nourished and balanced. Soy MILK on the other hand makes me ill. Almost a shock feeling. Cold and clammy and sick to my stomach, especially if I drink it cold. I have tried several brands. I have no idea of the science behind this and quite frankly I don't care anymore. My body says tofu yes, soy milk no. That is the research I go by. So, what about the rest of you? Ien in the Kootenays*******************************Stop. Breathe. Smile!~Padma ( my TV yoga teacher)See my smiling face:http://www.greatestnetworker.com/is/ien******************************* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 My body avoids soy like the plague. Linda - Ieneke van Houten Saturday, February 05, 2005 9:34 AM Let's have a Soy poll! The question of soy came up again on another list. It has been touted as a panacea for a densely populated world and reviled as a hard to digest allergenic non-food. I would love to ask everyone on this list: What does Your Body feel from soy? After all, it is the only authority that matters! The whole pendulum swing regarding soy is so typical of the way this culture goes about things. It looks for a magic bullet, the "this for that" approach. Then the magic bullet gets taken out of its cultural context and hyped up out of all proportion. Then we have to take some steps back and the pendulum swings widely in the opposite direction. We have seen this with the carb thing. If Japanese women have hardly any menopause problems it must be this one factor, phyto-estrogens from soy. Aha! the magic bullet! Never mind that they have a totally different way of cooking/eating/living. Originally soy was not considered edible. It was used as green manure to replenish the soil. In the cultures where soy was used it was later used mainly in fermented form. It still is. Soy is known as a cooling food. Raw tofu is used by monks to dampen the inner fire. In the Western paradigm it is said to slow down the thyroid gland. In Japan tofu is often served with seaweed which of course nourishes the thyroid. It is also usually served in combination with warming spices like garlic, ginger and pepper, usually in miso soup. Yum. Traditionally Tofu is served in small quantities as part of a meal. It is not used as a substitute for dairy. I consider Tofu cheesecake an insult to two great foods. It is always best to eat foods that have not been tortured and denatured. That includes much that passes for "health food" just because it has no meat or dairy. Read the labels of some fake meat or fake anything at the health food store. Like those horrid pretend cheeses or pretend pepperoni slices with "liquid smoke" as flavouring. Ask yourself how much torture this food had to go through to become edible. Why eat pretend anything? More on that topic another time. Before flipping over into the next "soy=bad" extreme, do some reading and observing. Here are two links, pro and con soy. Both the Weston Price foundation and Robert Cohen's Not Milk website have tons of bewildering information. They each accuse the other of being in the pay of lobbyists. My sympathy is with the Weston Price people. http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html http://notmilk.com/joyofsoy.html As always, ask your body how it feels! We have an ageing hippie in Nelson, B.C. who makes wonderful fresh tofu from non-GM organic soy beans. We buy it from the health food store where it is kept in the fridge in water that gets rinsed twice a day. I use about a pound a week, usually marinated with garlic and ginger. It leaves me feeling really well nourished and balanced. Soy MILK on the other hand makes me ill. Almost a shock feeling. Cold and clammy and sick to my stomach, especially if I drink it cold. I have tried several brands. I have no idea of the science behind this and quite frankly I don't care anymore. My body says tofu yes, soy milk no. That is the research I go by. So, what about the rest of you? Ien in the Kootenays*******************************Stop. Breathe. Smile!~Padma ( my TV yoga teacher)See my smiling face:http://www.greatestnetworker.com/is/ien******************************* ********************************************* WWW.PEACEFULMIND.COM Sponsors Alternative Answers-HEALING NATURALLY- this is the premise of HOLISTIC HEALTH. Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at:http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments_frame.htm__________-To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them:http://www./members_add _________To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://www./links___________Community email addresses: Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______Shortcut URL to this page: http://www. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 > What does Your Body feel from soy? Honestly, a vast improvement. Please allow me to elaborate. Several years ago, I found myself with some rather unusual health problems. Since I'd been healthy my entire life up to that point, I had issues with not feeling completely well. I was sharing with a friend and she suggested that perhaps I'd gone into early menopause and to research that further. I did so and I had fourteen of the eighteen symptoms. That was definitely enough to convince me something strange was going on. I waited a few more months to see if anything improved and it did not. I made the mistake of going to an MD. The first visit, he told me I was in early menopause and put me on the pill to 'fix' it. I objected, informing him that I saw that as a last resort because the pill gave me debilitating migraines. (Having a husband and three sons to take care of with nobody to help in any manner if I were dealing with a migraine was just one of many reasons I didn't want to take the pill.) His answer? Not to worry about it, it would be okay. Knowing fully well I was an idiot for agreeing to try it, I fought with migraines for three months. The only thing that kept me functional was a wonderful chiropractor who would give me adjustments to help with the migraines. I decided the regular MD was an idiot and started researching a more holistic manner in which to deal with the symptoms I had been having. (These had not been alleviated by the pill, either.) I discovered soy milk. I figured it certainly couldn't do any more harm to me than the pill. I tried it. I started out drinking about twenty four ounces per day every day for about three weeks. Then I cut back to about eighteen ounces per day for another two or three weeks. Then eventually, I was drinking one eight ounce glass about every three to five days. Within a week, I noticed the symptoms were alleviated. Within a month, I completely felt as if I were back to my old self. About six months later, I was completely off the soy milk. Now, if I drink it, it's just to get lined back out because I've had the occasional one or two symptoms at the same time. I would highly suggest it to anyone who's dealing with that sort of health issue to see if it would be beneficial. It would certainly be much better for someone as opposed to taking whatever garbage a doctor would give you to clear up the symptoms of menopause. Unfortunately, we have moved and there are absolutely no alternative therapy/holistic practitioners of any sort. I strongly suggest to always question what you're told, do research and ask questions. LOTS of them. When you know a doctor is wrong, tell them. Remember, they work for YOU! Kel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 I have never had the real thing that you speak of, Ieneke, but everything else soy I have had including milk, burgers, soy nuts, hot dogs and tofu silk, makes my stomach swell up like a balloon, and I am only 125 lbs on a 5'7 " frame. I have heard that soy is the hardest thing in the world to digest, and I believe it from my own experience. Bright , " Ieneke van Houten " <ienvan@t...> wrote: > The question of soy came up again on another list. > > It has been touted as a panacea for a densely > populated world and reviled as a hard to digest > allergenic non-food. > > I would love to ask everyone on this list: > > What does Your Body feel from soy? > After all, it is the only authority that matters! > > The whole pendulum swing regarding soy is > so typical of the way this culture goes about > things. > > It looks for a magic bullet, the " this for that " > approach. > Then the magic bullet gets taken out of its cultural > context and hyped up out of all proportion. > > Then we have to take some steps back and > the pendulum swings widely in the opposite > direction. > > We have seen this with the carb thing. > > If Japanese women have hardly any menopause > problems it must be this one factor, phyto-estrogens > from soy. Aha! the magic bullet! > Never mind that they have a totally different way > of cooking/eating/living. > > Originally soy was not considered edible. > It was used as green manure to replenish the soil. > In the cultures where soy was used it was later > used mainly in fermented form. It still is. > > Soy is known as a cooling food. > Raw tofu is used by monks to dampen the inner fire. > In the Western paradigm it is said to slow down > the thyroid gland. > > In Japan tofu is often served with seaweed which > of course nourishes the thyroid. > It is also usually served in combination with warming > spices like garlic, ginger and pepper, usually in miso > soup. Yum. > > Traditionally Tofu is served in small quantities as > part of a meal. It is not used as a substitute for dairy. > I consider Tofu cheesecake an insult to two great foods. > > It is always best to eat foods that have not been > tortured and denatured. > > That includes much that passes for " health food " > just because it has no meat or dairy. Read the > labels of some fake meat or fake anything at the > health food store. Like those horrid pretend > cheeses or pretend pepperoni slices with > " liquid smoke " as flavouring. > > Ask yourself how much torture this food had > to go through to become edible. > Why eat pretend anything? More on that topic > another time. > > Before flipping over into the next " soy=bad " > extreme, do some reading and observing. > > Here are two links, pro and con soy. > > Both the Weston Price foundation and Robert Cohen's > Not Milk website have tons of bewildering information. > They each accuse the other of being in the pay of lobbyists. > > My sympathy is with the Weston Price people. > > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html > > http://notmilk.com/joyofsoy.html > > As always, ask your body how it feels! > > We have an ageing hippie in Nelson, B.C. who makes > wonderful fresh tofu from non-GM organic soy beans. > We buy it from the health food store where it is kept > in the fridge in water that gets rinsed twice a day. > > I use about a pound a week, usually marinated > with garlic and ginger. > It leaves me feeling really well nourished and > balanced. > > Soy MILK on the other hand makes me ill. > Almost a shock feeling. Cold and clammy > and sick to my stomach, especially if I drink it > cold. I have tried several brands. > > I have no idea of the science behind this and > quite frankly I don't care anymore. > My body says tofu yes, soy milk no. > > That is the research I go by. > > So, what about the rest of you? > > Ien in the Kootenays > ******************************* > Stop. Breathe. Smile! > ~Padma ( my TV yoga teacher) > See my smiling face: > http://www.greatestnetworker.com/is/ien > ******************************* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Wow. All those different responses! Thanks for everyone's input. We should make a soy file. This sure illustrates the fact that we all have to take responsibility for our own well-being and that we are all different! As the old saying goes, one man's food is another (wo)man's poison. So true. Ien in the Kootenays*************************** Society is like a stew.If you don't stir it up you get a lot of scum on top"~Edward Abbeymeet my stirring face http://greatestnetworker.com/is/ien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 I've been surprised at all the negative responses soy has received. I adore soy. I always did, but didn't eat it much until my total hysterectomy five years ago. I wear an estrogen patch, but I feel I need the extra boost from the soy too. I use at least a half gallon a week of soy milk, more if I feel like " cooking. " I love tofutti, but I try not to buy it every time I go to the store (a struggle) because if it's in the house, I eat it right up. I've experimented with tofu in recipes, but I'm repelled by so many of the recipes I've found. If I don't want to eat hot dogs or sausage, why would I want an imitation of them? About the idea of tofu cheesecake being an insult to both foods, I can't see that at all. Since I'm lactose intolerant, I've found soy to be a Godsend. I can still have all the comfort food, like rice pudding (made with brown rice, soy milk, raisins, and cinnamon), and pumpkin pie. I like tofu stir fried with veggies too. Does anyone have a favorite way of eating tofu? Maria > " Ieneke van Houten " <ienvan > > >Re: Let's have a Soy poll! >Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:32:43 -0800 > >Wow. All those different responses! >Thanks for everyone's input. >We should make a soy file. > >This sure illustrates the fact that we all have >to take responsibility for our own well-being >and that we are all different! > >As the old saying goes, one man's food is >another (wo)man's poison. So true. > >Ien in the Kootenays >*************************** >Society is like a stew. >If you don't stir it up >you get a lot of scum on top " >~Edward Abbey >meet my stirring face >http://greatestnetworker.com/is/ien > _______________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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