Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 16.1.05 i agree with you. there are lot of correction earth seems to be undergoing and may undergo till 2011. some more devastatng things may also come. the situation like the one in sri lanka sometimes buttress a point that there is a force which acts in a different manner. i shall also tell you a real life happening. in the 1965 war between india and pakistan, a small group of around 150 army men under major surinder singh ( a sikh) was sent to a border post from where no attack was expected. there was a small temple of divine mother in the village and since the army men were relatively free, they would go to the temple. suddenly around 50 tanks and around 3000 pakistanis coming in attack was noticed. it was night and nearby air force station though contacted, would not be able to do anything till dawn as night facilities were not there. this major instead of surrendering decided to give a fight till death. the strange thing was that all the tank ammunition was falling short of the line where the temple was situated. it would be say around 300 yards. it was unbelievable that tank fire was not able to go beyond this limit. there must have been some unseen force. major`s confidence got boosted and all the men fought like real warriors. when in the morning air force jets came, by that time his force had decapacitated 32 tanks and killed around 600 soldiers. in this force only 23 survived. till 3 years ago, he was alive. an indian movie, by the name of `border` has been made on this. now can you say that all those patton tanks could not send fire beyond 300 yards? though the village was evacuated by the military, except some houses, everything remained intact. do you believe this can happen. what i have experienced throughout my life that some unseen hand does certain things which are beyond the capability of normal logic and in so many of these god`s or creator or whatever you call, will is seen and in the popular expression, can be called miracles. i have also seen that surrendering to this great force releases you and heals you. while tsunami disaster was there, lot of stores of how some people could escape the fury are also a lot there. you get inspiration and just do not do which could cause harm . one high level lady film star was in phuket that day and in the morning was feeling very lazy and inspite of coaxing by the husband did not go to beach. if she would have gone, she would be wshed away. they could manage to go to safety from back side of hotel, when the news came in. there was no room for her being lazy as they had gone there for 1 week christmas vacation. i had just written it as we come across some mails where they feel the existence is doubtful and/or they could do everything without the help of God. with light & love d.k.kothari DK_Holistic_Healing/ - Bob Patrick Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:44 PM RE: is there any God I normally would not question someone like this on this board, but d.k. I am gently going to push you a bit on this one. I have to question the notion of a “god out there” when every human dwelling is flattened and only a stone statue is left as a miracle of such a god. What kind of god chooses a stone over human beings? This is no miracle. This is a tsunami doing what great forces of water do—they clear things out, and those things include houses and humans who are in the way. What there is, in my understanding, is a great cosmic force that nature and we and plants and animals and minerals are a part of. There is a balance in that great cosmic force that self-corrects. We are doing a great deal of damage to the earth who, herself, is a part of this great force. Earthquakes and tsunamis and weather systems are some of the ways this force self-corrects for the damage we do. And tsunamis happen. But, to point to a stone that stood against the water as a miracle of god is no comfort to the suffering, and quite frankly, not much of an endorsement for a god who would choose to do such a thing. Robert B. Patrick, Jr. Version: 7.0.298 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release 01/12/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 I have had enough..... I will un sub. This is ridiculous to suggest there is no God, Unfortunately there are to many people like this that take time to "study" all these other sources of "answers" But do not take the time to PROPERLY study the Bible. I know, I know...... You read the Bible blah and blah. To read the Bible is just to read. To apply the teachings in your life is FAITH. Having the faith, you gain the knowledge..... on an intimate scale. Cross reference it, do your home work, there are scientist's now that are recanting their earlier statements and proving the Bible is accurate. God does not cause these acts to kill people. Just as Noah tried to tell people to "wake up"..... they did not listen. People have GOD given free will choices, the poor children of people that do not listen...... terrible. `Children are sanctified by their parents. We have no idea why these things happen to the seemingly innocent. But we do know God is in charge. If you read in the book of Matthew, and in Daniel,..... and others ....... it tells about these things. I would rather live my life as if there is a God, And die to find out there isn't, Than live my life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. God Bless you, Sandra On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:14:19 -0500 "Bob Patrick" <potoole writes: I normally would not question someone like this on this board, but d.k. I am gently going to push you a bit on this one. I have to question the notion of a “god out there” when every human dwelling is flattened and only a stone statue is left as a miracle of such a god. What kind of god chooses a stone over human beings? This is no miracle. This is a tsunami doing what great forces of water do—they clear things out, and those things include houses and humans who are in the way. What there is, in my understanding, is a great cosmic force that nature and we and plants and animals and minerals are a part of. There is a balance in that great cosmic force that self-corrects. We are doing a great deal of damage to the earth who, herself, is a part of this great force. Earthquakes and tsunamis and weather systems are some of the ways this force self-corrects for the damage we do. And tsunamis happen. But, to point to a stone that stood against the water as a miracle of god is no comfort to the suffering, and quite frankly, not much of an endorsement for a god who would choose to do such a thing. Robert B. Patrick, Jr. d.k.kothari [dkishan] Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:46 AMDK_Holistic_Healing Cc: ; 01ANGELS ; MPRUE Subject: is there any God 15.1.05 just wanted to share this. in the recent tsunami devastation, one village having around 180 houses in sri lanka coast, was totally devastated. not a single building remained - nothing above 3`. they had a buddha temple with 8` high statue on a stone. the whole temple was flat but nothing happened to this statue and the stone on which it was there. this was the only thing left. the disaster wnet inside up to 7 km , flattened everything but this smiling buddha statue was still there. is God still there ? He know Him through only His miracles with light & love d.k.kothari DK_Holistic_Healing/ ********************************************* WWW.PEACEFULMIND.COM Sponsors Alternative Answers-HEALING NATURALLY- this is the premise of HOLISTIC HEALTH. Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at:http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments_frame.htm__________-To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them:http://www./members_add _________To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://www./links___________Community email addresses: Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______Shortcut URL to this page: http://www. ********************************************* WWW.PEACEFULMIND.COM Sponsors Alternative Answers-HEALING NATURALLY- this is the premise of HOLISTIC HEALTH. Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at:http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments_frame.htm__________-To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them:http://www./members_add _________To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://www./links___________Community email addresses: Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______Shortcut URL to this page: http://www. Happy New Year, God Bless!SandraFor I have learned in whatsoever state I am in,..therewith to be content. (Paul) Phil 4:11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Sandra, I honor you and your understanding of things. I am not responding to argue with you, but I would like you to know that it is a life-long study of the Bible and its application that has brought me to where I am at this point in my life. I served for 8 years as an ordained Christian minister and another 12 years teaching bible and theology in high school and college. I am only telling you that to say that you cannot so easily dismiss what I have tried to gently raise for reflection by telling me to study my bible. I have, and I take that very seriously. I mean no attack on anyone, but since this is a healing forum felt that raising important questions around how we make sense of disaster and death a very important if not also difficult thing for healers to do. Lastly, if you will note in my original post, I was questioning the “notion” of a god out there. I was not attacking anyone’s relationship with any god. Just questioning a “notion”. Our notions can frequently lead us to misunderstandings. Robert Almost_off-the-Ark [Almost_off-the-Ark] Sunday, January 16, 2005 11:18 AM To: Re: is there any God I have had enough..... I will un sub. This is ridiculous to suggest there is no God, Unfortunately there are to many people like this that take time to " study " all these other sources of " answers " But do not take the time to PROPERLY study the Bible. I know, I know...... You read the Bible blah and blah. To read the Bible is just to read. To apply the teachings in your life is FAITH. Having the faith, you gain the knowledge..... on an intimate scale. Cross reference it, do your home work, there are scientist's now that are recanting their earlier statements and proving the Bible is accurate. God does not cause these acts to kill people. Just as Noah tried to tell people to " wake up " ..... they did not listen. People have GOD given free will choices, the poor children of people that do not listen...... terrible. `Children are sanctified by their parents. We have no idea why these things happen to the seemingly innocent. But we do know God is in charge. If you read in the book of Matthew, and in Daniel,..... and others ....... it tells about these things. I would rather live my life as if there is a God, And die to find out there isn't, Than live my life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. God Bless you, Sandra On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:14:19 -0500 " Bob Patrick " <potoole writes: I normally would not question someone like this on this board, but d.k. I am gently going to push you a bit on this one. I have to question the notion of a “god out there” when every human dwelling is flattened and only a stone statue is left as a miracle of such a god. What kind of god chooses a stone over human beings? This is no miracle. This is a tsunami doing what great forces of water do—they clear things out, and those things include houses and humans who are in the way. What there is, in my understanding, is a great cosmic force that nature and we and plants and animals and minerals are a part of. There is a balance in that great cosmic force that self-corrects. We are doing a great deal of damage to the earth who, herself, is a part of this great force. Earthquakes and tsunamis and weather systems are some of the ways this force self-corrects for the damage we do. And tsunamis happen. But, to point to a stone that stood against the water as a miracle of god is no comfort to the suffering, and quite frankly, not much of an endorsement for a god who would choose to do such a thing. Robert B. Patrick, Jr. d.k.kothari [dkishan] Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:46 AM To: DK_Holistic_Healing Cc: ; 01ANGELS ; MPRUE is there any God 15.1.05 just wanted to share this. in the recent tsunami devastation, one village having around 180 houses in sri lanka coast, was totally devastated. not a single building remained - nothing above 3`. they had a buddha temple with 8` high statue on a stone. the whole temple was flat but nothing happened to this statue and the stone on which it was there. this was the only thing left. the disaster wnet inside up to 7 km , flattened everything but this smiling buddha statue was still there. is God still there ? He know Him through only His miracles with light & love d.k.kothari DK_Holistic_Healing/ ********************************************* WWW.PEACEFULMIND.COM Sponsors Alternative Answers- HEALING NATURALLY- this is the premise of HOLISTIC HEALTH. Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at: http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments_frame.htm __________ -To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them: http://www./members_add _________ To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://www./links ___________ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______ Shortcut URL to this page: http://www. ********************************************* WWW.PEACEFULMIND.COM Sponsors Alternative Answers- HEALING NATURALLY- this is the premise of HOLISTIC HEALTH. Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at: http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments_frame.htm __________ -To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them: http://www./members_add _________ To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://www./links ___________ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______ Shortcut URL to this page: http://www. Happy New Year, God Bless! Sandra For I have learned in whatsoever state I am in,..therewith to be content. (Paul) Phil 4:11 ********************************************* WWW.PEACEFULMIND.COM Sponsors Alternative Answers- HEALING NATURALLY- this is the premise of HOLISTIC HEALTH. Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at: http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments_frame.htm __________ -To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them: http://www./members_add _________ To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://www./links ___________ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______ Shortcut URL to this page: http://www. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 d.k. I honor your story and experiences. And I agree with you, that surrendering to the natural forces that make us all up, including this earth, holds much healing for us. Robert d.k.kothari [dkishan] Sunday, January 16, 2005 3:21 AM To: Re: is there any God 16.1.05 i agree with you. there are lot of correction earth seems to be undergoing and may undergo till 2011. some more devastatng things may also come. the situation like the one in sri lanka sometimes buttress a point that there is a force which acts in a different manner. i shall also tell you a real life happening. in the 1965 war between india and pakistan, a small group of around 150 army men under major surinder singh ( a sikh) was sent to a border post from where no attack was expected. there was a small temple of divine mother in the village and since the army men were relatively free, they would go to the temple. suddenly around 50 tanks and around 3000 pakistanis coming in attack was noticed. it was night and nearby air force station though contacted, would not be able to do anything till dawn as night facilities were not there. this major instead of surrendering decided to give a fight till death. the strange thing was that all the tank ammunition was falling short of the line where the temple was situated. it would be say around 300 yards. it was unbelievable that tank fire was not able to go beyond this limit. there must have been some unseen force. major`s confidence got boosted and all the men fought like real warriors. when in the morning air force jets came, by that time his force had decapacitated 32 tanks and killed around 600 soldiers. in this force only 23 survived. till 3 years ago, he was alive. an indian movie, by the name of `border` has been made on this. now can you say that all those patton tanks could not send fire beyond 300 yards? though the village was evacuated by the military, except some houses, everything remained intact. do you believe this can happen. what i have experienced throughout my life that some unseen hand does certain things which are beyond the capability of normal logic and in so many of these god`s or creator or whatever you call, will is seen and in the popular expression, can be called miracles. i have also seen that surrendering to this great force releases you and heals you. while tsunami disaster was there, lot of stores of how some people could escape the fury are also a lot there. you get inspiration and just do not do which could cause harm . one high level lady film star was in phuket that day and in the morning was feeling very lazy and inspite of coaxing by the husband did not go to beach. if she would have gone, she would be wshed away. they could manage to go to safety from back side of hotel, when the news came in. there was no room for her being lazy as they had gone there for 1 week christmas vacation. i had just written it as we come across some mails where they feel the existence is doubtful and/or they could do everything without the help of God. with light & love d.k.kothari DK_Holistic_Healing/ - Bob Patrick Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:44 PM RE: is there any God I normally would not question someone like this on this board, but d.k. I am gently going to push you a bit on this one. I have to question the notion of a “god out there” when every human dwelling is flattened and only a stone statue is left as a miracle of such a god. What kind of god chooses a stone over human beings? This is no miracle. This is a tsunami doing what great forces of water do—they clear things out, and those things include houses and humans who are in the way. What there is, in my understanding, is a great cosmic force that nature and we and plants and animals and minerals are a part of. There is a balance in that great cosmic force that self-corrects. We are doing a great deal of damage to the earth who, herself, is a part of this great force. Earthquakes and tsunamis and weather systems are some of the ways this force self-corrects for the damage we do. And tsunamis happen. But, to point to a stone that stood against the water as a miracle of god is no comfort to the suffering, and quite frankly, not much of an endorsement for a god who would choose to do such a thing. Robert B. Patrick, Jr. ********************************************* WWW.PEACEFULMIND.COM Sponsors Alternative Answers- HEALING NATURALLY- this is the premise of HOLISTIC HEALTH. Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at: http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments_frame.htm __________ -To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them: http://www./members_add _________ To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://www./links ___________ Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______ Shortcut URL to this page: http://www. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Dear Bob, One can find miracles in anything. It is not that they are not here or not there but rather that they are everywhere. Each man sees in life what his understanding of God enables him to see. Few grasp the simplicity of this eternal principle. Religion is simply the configuration of matter, energy, space and time to reflect exactly what lies within a man's consciousness. For every viewpoint of God there is an appropriate religion. Man, in his adolescent spirituality fails to comprehend that his particular religion is of no interest to God. You ask why is this. God IS. All else is merely a viewpoint of IT. Hence, for D.K. to see in the continued existence of a statue as evidence of the presence of God is a good thing, for it reminds D.K. of God. Let each man be free to find his own evidence of God and in so doing he will grow deeper in his love for God. It matters not how a man chooses to love God, in here or out there. What is important to the man is that he remembers God. In this act alone, he is awakening from the sleep of illusion and in time will break the cycle of karma and reincarnation of which Jesus knew but which was stripped from man's Bible at the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. It is true, that the earth self corrects, for these are the worlds of duality in which each cause has an effect. Yet, since few in this world have unfolded into the stillness within their own heart, most act not as cause but as the effect of an effect. Do not try to understand what occurs in this world, for to do so is folly. Rather, practice movement beyond yourself or that which you know as yourself and enter into the worlds of those who have realized themselves and in so doing have come to understand all that is within them including this world and their neighbor. Much Love in Spirit, Stephen Bob Patrick [potoole] Saturday, January 15, 2005 1:14 PM Subject: RE: is there any God I normally would not question someone like this on this board, but d.k. I am gently going to push you a bit on this one. I have to question the notion of a “god out there” when every human dwelling is flattened and only a stone statue is left as a miracle of such a god. What kind of god chooses a stone over human beings? This is no miracle. This is a tsunami doing what great forces of water do—they clear things out, and those things include houses and humans who are in the way. What there is, in my understanding, is a great cosmic force that nature and we and plants and animals and minerals are a part of. There is a balance in that great cosmic force that self-corrects. We are doing a great deal of damage to the earth who, herself, is a part of this great force. Earthquakes and tsunamis and weather systems are some of the ways this force self-corrects for the damage we do. And tsunamis happen. But, to point to a stone that stood against the water as a miracle of god is no comfort to the suffering, and quite frankly, not much of an endorsement for a god who would choose to do such a thing. Robert B. Patrick, Jr. d.k.kothari [dkishan] Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:46 AMDK_Holistic_Healing Cc: ; 01ANGELS ; MPRUE Subject: is there any God 15.1.05 just wanted to share this. in the recent tsunami devastation, one village having around 180 houses in sri lanka coast, was totally devastated. not a single building remained - nothing above 3`. they had a buddha temple with 8` high statue on a stone. the whole temple was flat but nothing happened to this statue and the stone on which it was there. this was the only thing left. the disaster wnet inside up to 7 km , flattened everything but this smiling buddha statue was still there. is God still there ? He know Him through only His miracles with light & love d.k.kothari DK_Holistic_Healing/ ********************************************* WWW.PEACEFULMIND.COM Sponsors Alternative Answers-HEALING NATURALLY- this is the premise of HOLISTIC HEALTH. Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at:http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments_frame.htm__________-To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them:http://www./members_add _________To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://www./links___________Community email addresses: Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______Shortcut URL to this page: http://www. ********************************************* WWW.PEACEFULMIND.COM Sponsors Alternative Answers-HEALING NATURALLY- this is the premise of HOLISTIC HEALTH. Preventative and Curative measure to take for many ailments at:http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments_frame.htm__________-To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them:http://www./members_add _________To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: http://www./links___________Community email addresses: Post message: Subscribe: - Un: - List owner: -owner _______Shortcut URL to this page: http://www. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Scripture is full of warnings about natural disasters increasing toward the end of time. Reasons are given for this. Prophecy is a very interesting subject. I believe there is a God and He has had a plan since the beginning of time. I know this is not a religious list, so I will not elaborate any further. mary For the Lord God helps Me; therefore have I not been ashamed or confounded. Therefore have I set My face like a flint, and I know that I shall not be put to shame. Isa 50:7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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