FW: [AskGranny] Soy: The Poison Seed

[Guest guest]

Question:

 

What gives me some reservations is how

widely soy is used in China and Japan and

that it is not the only plant that has estrogen

like substances.

I am going to investigate further.

Any thoughts?

 

 

In China and Japan soy is used

in moderation, and usually it is

fermented.

 

Tofu is eaten in combination with

warming spices like garlic, ginger and

pepper.

 

In our paradigm, we say soy has

estrogenic properties.

In the East the same truth is expressed

in a different language: raw tofu

is said to be very yin, a cold

energy, and it is good for monks

who need some help in controlling

their male urges....

 

There is a big difference between

moderate use and raw soy smoothies

for breakfast and lunch.

 

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Gail wrote:

We need to look at the Chinese/Asian diet and lifestyle as a whole before adopting any part of it as a magic cure all.Thats my two cents worth!Gail

Exactly.

As I wrote earlier, in the original culture soy is mainly

used fermented, and unfermented tofu is used in

small quantities and mixed with warming spices,

to balance the cool energy.

 

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I live in Taiwan. What Doug says is very true.

 

EuJing

 

 

--- Doug Murray <Doug ªº°T®§¡G>

> The so-called massive Asian consumption is only in

> the eyes and imagination of the US soy propaganda

> spinners.

> Cheers, Doug

[Guest guest]

 

lwh

I live in Hong Kong and have traveled extensively in China. The use of soy as portrayed by the soy industry in the USA is totally wrong. Soy is used in small amounts, usually as a side dish or sometimes as a drink. The largest part of the soy used here is of the fermented products (temph, miso and soy sauce) The fermenting process alters the molecular structure and significantly reduces the toxins that are present.

The so-called massive Asian consumption is only in the eyes and imagination of the US soy propaganda spinners.

Cheers, Doug

 

Doug,

 

I eat about a pound of tofu per week,

usually in combination with warming

spices like pepper, garlic, ginger.

It is hand made from organically

grown, non gmo beans.

I stay away from "fake foods",

tortured curds that are supposed to

resemble pepperoni and such.

 

Would that be too much by Asian standards?

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Len

It is certainly more than I would eat. But the fact that you are eating it with ginger, garlic and spices, I certainly wouldn't worry too much about it, and as I read your posts it is obvious that you generally eat very healthy. I think the "whites" (sugar, flour, milk, RBD oils) are probably more important to minimize or eliminate. Any amount of fresh coconut, young or mature that you can consume is very beneficial, including virgin and/or expeller pressed (fresh, nod RBD made from copra)

Cheers, Doug

 

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Ieneke van Houten

Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:29 AM

Re: FW: [AskGranny] Soy: The Poison Seed

 

 

 

lwh

I live in Hong Kong and have traveled extensively in China. The use of soy as portrayed by the soy industry in the USA is totally wrong. Soy is used in small amounts, usually as a side dish or sometimes as a drink. The largest part of the soy used here is of the fermented products (temph, miso and soy sauce) The fermenting process alters the molecular structure and significantly reduces the toxins that are present.

The so-called massive Asian consumption is only in the eyes and imagination of the US soy propaganda spinners.

Cheers, Doug

 

Doug,

 

I eat about a pound of tofu per week,

usually in combination with warming

spices like pepper, garlic, ginger.

It is hand made from organically

grown, non gmo beans.

I stay away from "fake foods",

tortured curds that are supposed to

resemble pepperoni and such.

 

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply Doug.

Here in the boondocks fresh coconut tends

to be in short supply!

 

I have a friend who has been agonizing

over a soy based instant protein product

that she loves.

Sometimes it was the only thing she could

keep down!

 

I told her to be on the alert for the signs of

hypothyroidism, but to otherwise keep

enjoying it, since it has agreed with her

for 24 years,

 

I keep coming back to that.

What does it feel like? To YOU?

 

The expert is within.

 

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[Guest guest]

I eat plenty and it seems to do me well. My rats also seem to have

benefited from it in longevity and reduced incidence of tumors, for what

it's worth. Yeah, I'm not going to start snorting soy protein isolate

and I get protein from other sources (beans, legumes, etc.) and at the

same time try to avoid over-proteining (which is, sadly, in fashion right

now) in general which I feel is the main issue with soy or any other

protein source. Too much protein (in humans and other omnivorous species)

can cause loads of problems.

Incidentally, for those who may be concerned, you can be vegan with

little/no soy. Rice milk is darn fine stuff (there's also oat milk,

almond milk, or just plain juice and stuff) and veggie burgers, faux

meats, etc (which aren't necessary, but a treat for some) can also be

found made of veggies, grains, etc. (I buy many at the Asian market.)

Tofu/soymilk have been around for hundreds of years, developed by

Buddhist monks in Japan.

Veronica

Buddhist and soy fan.

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Len

It is certainly more than I would eat. But the fact that you

are eating it with ginger, garlic and spices, I certainly wouldn't worry

too much about it, and as I read your posts it is obvious that you

generally eat very healthy. I think the " whites " (sugar, flour,

milk, RBD oils) are probably more important to minimize or eliminate. Any

amount of fresh coconut, young or mature that you can consume is very

beneficial, including virgin and/or expeller pressed (fresh, nod RBD made

from copra)

Cheers, Doug

 

-

Ieneke van Houten

 

Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:29 AM

Re: FW: [AskGranny] Soy: The Poison Seed

 

lwh

I live in Hong Kong and have traveled extensively in China. The use of soy as portrayed by the soy industry in the USA is totally wrong. Soy is used in small amounts, usually as a side dish or sometimes as a drink. The largest part of the soy used here is of the fermented products (temph, miso and soy sauce) The fermenting process alters the molecular structure and significantly reduces the toxins that are present.

The so-called massive Asian consumption is only in the eyes and imagination of the US soy propaganda spinners.

Cheers, Doug

 

Doug,

 

I eat about a pound of tofu per week,

usually in combination with warming

spices like pepper, garlic, ginger.

It is hand made from organically

grown, non gmo beans.

I stay away from " fake foods " ,

tortured curds that are supposed to

resemble pepperoni and such.

 

Would that be too much by Asian standards?

 

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Veronica wrote:

 

Tofu/soymilk have been around for hundreds of years, developed by Buddhist monks in Japan. VeronicaBuddhist and soy fan. ;)Thanks Veronica!

Though the point is precisely that the inventors

were monks, who relied on the cooling

properties of raw soy to douse their internal fire.

 

I will keep enjoying my tofu.

Right now I am staying away from

cheese, and I must say I do feel

lighter without it.

 

Though I miss my Gort's Gouda.

sniff, sniff.

 

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