Health

November 23, 2003

Someone mentioned to me that Siberian Ginseng ( Eleuthero ) is good for this.

Carole Drake <drakecarole wrote:I am starting chemo the first week

of December. I have heard there are special herbs that will help keep up my

energy during this time, but I don't know how to go about finding info. Anyone?

And the exercises, too? Would a TCM doctor be good for this? How do I find one?

Carole

November 24, 2003

Hi Carole,

There is plenty that TCM can do for a patient receiving chemo. This

would include acupuncture for nausea and/or pain relief as well as

calming or stimulating benefits, depending on what you need.

Herbal medicines can be a little tough, especially if your stomach gets

weird. If it doesn't, they can do a lot to really assist the chemo in

stimulating your immune system and generally supporting the organ

systems in the body that are being effected by the chemo.

Meditation, Qi Gong, and these kinds of activities of course are

helpful as well.

As for which herbs are right for you, I think that you might want to

visit a TCM doctor rather than take herbs that are said to be good for

this. Siberian Ginseng is a hot herb and that can damage the Yin (body

fluids, etc.) in the body. In some cases of cancer, this is already a

problem and so this herb can aggravate your condition. Chemo can also

damage the Yin, so please do visit with a TCM doctor before taking

anything.

Locating a TCM doctor would be as simple as using a search engine...

there are a variety of websites that feature long lists of TCM folk.

One is my own, and I invite you to use it.

http://gancao.net/Referrals/ref.shtml

-al.

On Nov 23, 2003, at 7:02 AM, mitchell shelford wrote:

> Someone mentioned to me that Siberian Ginseng ( Eleuthero ) is good

> for this.

>

> Carole Drake <drakecarole wrote:I am starting chemo the

> first week of December. I have heard there are special herbs that will

> help keep up my energy during this time, but I don't know how to go

> about finding info. Anyone? And the exercises, too? Would a TCM doctor

> be good for this? How do I find one?

> Carole

>

March 16, 2006

I get real angry at traditional medicine, big pharma, and all that

we as a society are going through in this world right now, too...

I understood where you are coming from.

I'm informed on much, but my need to keep learning about health

is never ending. I haven't always practiced what I've learned either..

that's why we're human, I guess. I used to raise my vegs for years

and avoided medications, was healthy. Sometimes for various

reasons, we let go of the good living..but it catches up for some of us.

I'm bent on getting well despite a cardiac arrest 3 years ago, stent

surgery, angioplasty a year later, and now a triple bypass 11 wks ago..

not fun..very barbaric surgery and my nerve damage from being cut

open all those hours is pretty bad. I was 49 when I had the heart attack,

but my brother died without warning at barely 40, and my mom had

the same things I do.

I'm thankful I never was a big soda drinker, so it was nothing to cut

it out totally. I know it's really hard for some people, especially the

very addicting diet sodas. With diabetes and heart trouble, there isn't

much I can eat, but I'm finding out more.

Have a good night..

Lor

In a message dated 3/16/2006 5:49:12 PM Central Standard Time, joseph_toman writes:

Thank you for being kind when you could have reacted

to my nonsense.

I learned how to eat by being a vegitarian for a time

in my past. And studying what foods are good and

which are bad. I certainly have not met my goal. I

know but do not follow what I know. I am weak as

most. And when at times we go to town I like to get a

mcdonalds or something just to be away from here. I

am not an example to follow. My genes do not make me

overweight and does not help me in understanding other

peoples problem with eating. I know what I know. I

feel proud that I now have indeed given up sodas or

stupid diet drinks and efference drinks that will kill

you and steal vitimins and minerals from your body.

Get off diet drinks, get off milk products and eat

veges etc.

Anyway, Sorry to be short. Don't mean to be. I know

many are trying to get their intake under control.

and just because I do not have that problem, does not

mean others are not sturggling to survive. I am

insensitive, sorry. Don't eat three biog meals a day,

eat little as the day goes on - just enough to help

you and feel full.

Our government and our society in general is bent on

killing us. Know that and resist the brainwash.

Take this - eat this - take this pill for INSTANT

relief. What a mess.

So did I cover it: healthy eating is eating whole

foods and along with that --purging our body of all

the junk you have accumiliated - look to

herbalfiberblend

Sir, I apologise to you. And I will do whatever I can

to help you understand.

March 16, 2006

Thank you for being kind when you could have reacted

to my nonsense.

I learned how to eat by being a vegitarian for a time

in my past. And studying what foods are good and

which are bad. I certainly have not met my goal. I

know but do not follow what I know. I am weak as

most. And when at times we go to town I like to get a

mcdonalds or something just to be away from here. I

am not an example to follow. My genes do not make me

overweight and does not help me in understanding other

peoples problem with eating. I know what I know. I

feel proud that I now have indeed given up sodas or

stupid diet drinks and efference drinks that will kill

you and steal vitimins and minerals from your body.

Get off diet drinks, get off milk products and eat

veges etc.

Anyway, Sorry to be short. Don't mean to be. I know

many are trying to get their intake under control.

and just because I do not have that problem, does not

mean others are not sturggling to survive. I am

insensitive, sorry. Don't eat three biog meals a day,

eat little as the day goes on - just enough to help

you and feel full.

Our government and our society in general is bent on

killing us. Know that and resist the brainwash.

Take this - eat this - take this pill for INSTANT

relief. What a mess.

So did I cover it: healthy eating is eating whole

foods and along with that --purging our body of all

the junk you have accumiliated - look to

herbalfiberblend

Sir, I apologise to you. And I will do whatever I can

to help you understand.

--- mike man <mgsboediitodpc wrote:

> " " What does " healthy " mean to you? "

> Yes how did you learn what to eat?

> Were you told?

> Did you observe what others were doing and followed.

> Did you follow some text on proper eating?

>

> --- Joseph Toman <joseph_toman wrote:

>

> > Are you NUTs? " I will try to eat healthy " but....

> >

> > Eat yourself to death. If you wish. You admit you

> > are

> > over weight. So what is the problem. Either eat

> > right

> > or not. What does " healthy " mean to you?

> >

> > --- SHARON JAGGER <sharonjagger

> wrote:

> >

> > > yes I know.. and Im not that much of a fanatic

> > > anyway.

> > > I just eat what tastes good and I can afford. if

> > > healthy fits in those

> > > criteria fine... I will try to eat healthy, but

> if

> > > it tastes like crap I

> > > would rather go hungry... Im too fat anyway.

> > >

> > > -

> > > " mike man " <mgsboediitodpc

> > >

> > > Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:55 AM

> > > Re: Re: feeding

> > > animals to animals

> > >

> > > > " god says we can eat it Im gonna eat it. "

> > > > Actually there are rules on what to eat and

> > > reasons

> > > > for those rules are well defined within

> various

> > > > religions which some follow strictly and not

> so

> > > > strictly

> > > >

> > > > --- SHARON JAGGER <sharonjagger

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >> thats rediculous.

> > > >> god says we can eat it Im gonna eat it.

> > > >> especially if Im starving and there is

> nothing

> > > else

> > > >> on my plate.

> > > >>

> > > >> -

> > > >> " mike man " <mgsboediitodpc

> > > >>

> > > >> Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:21 PM

> > > >> RE: Re: feeding

> > > >> animals to animals

> > > >>

> > > >> > " I know people who follow Kosher laws who

> > > won't

> > > >> eat

> > > >> > out because the restaurant serves bacon in

> > the

> > > >> > morning. "

> > > >> >

> > > >> > They eat out just at approved restaruants.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > --- Ed Siceloff <siceloff

> > wrote:

> > > >> >

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> Well gees. Why pick on beef? Anything

> that

> > > is

> > > >> >> commercially raised for meat

> > > >> >> has to grab your attention. I buy from a

> > mill

> > > >> that

> > > >> >> makes many of their own

> > > >> >> products. Just to be a little more sure

> > about

> > > >> what

> > > >> >> I am feeding the

> > > >> >> critters that I eat (mostly eggs from

> > > chickens).

> > > >> >> There is pretty much only

> > > >> >> " good " ingredients in it. But, to be

> sure,

> > > from

> > > >> >> what the research states,

> > > >> >> prions actually have what I would say

> > " eternal

> > > >> life "

> > > >> >> ascribed to them. You

> > > >> >> give commercial feed to your animals, that

> > has

> > > >> >> animal carcass in it, that is

> > > >> >> infected with the various spongeiform

> > > diseases,

> > > >> you

> > > >> >> can be infected by

> > > >> >> putting it on the soil you grow your

> garden

> > > in.

> > > >> >> That is supposedly one of

> > > >> >> the ways that deer and elk get infected

> with

> > > it.

> > > >> >> But, I remember reading

> > > >> >> some things stating that particular immune

> > > >> systems

> > > >> >> can handle these things

> > > >> >> as well. Otherwise, we'd probably all be

> > > already

> > > >> >> sick with, what, mad

> > > >> >> human?

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> I know people who follow Kosher laws who

> > > won't

> > > >> eat

> > > >> >> out because the

> > > >> >> restaurant serves bacon in the morning.

> Too

> > > much

> > > >> >> risk in it for them. Pig

> > > >> >> gets all over everything.

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> Another thought would be that the prions

> > > last

> > > >> on

> > > >> >> from the animal carcass

> > > >> >> all the way to a gelatin capsule that is

> > made

> > > >> from

> > > >> >> animal source. You get

> > > >> >> it with your vitamins and herbs.

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> Ed

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> _____

> > > >> >>

>

> > On

> > > >> >> Behalf Of mike man

> > > >> >> Tuesday, March 14, 2006 2:44 PM

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> Re: Re:

> > feeding

> > > >> >> animals to animals

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> " That

> > > >> >> means if you eat in a kitchen that has had

> > > beef

> > > >> >> prepared in it using

> > > >> >> any surface, utinsels, pots or pans that

> > have

> > > had

> > > >> >> contact with beef

> > > >> >> you risk picking it up even if you do not

> > eat

> > > >> beef.

> > > >> >> Same with

> > > >> >> restaurants, even, probably, the air you

> > > >> breathe. "

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> And let us not forget that the beef

> industry

> > > >> sells

> > > >> >> the

> > > >> >> carcass and bones to companies that turn

> it

> > > into

> > > >> >> fertilizer used to grow vegetables and

> soap

> > > used

> > > >> to

> > > >> >> was one's skin with.

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> --- Kat <js_kat wrote:

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> > --- In

> ,

> > > >> >> > " missourinaturegirl "

> > > >> >> > <missourinaturegirl wrote:

> > > >> >> > >

> > > >> >> > > I understand on Coast there is still

> > > ground

> > > >> up

> > > >> >> > chicken feces in feed,

> > > >> >> > > and dead cows in feed. How come if we

> > > were

> > > >> >> > supposed to stop this in

> > > >> >> > > 95, it is still happening?

> > > >> >> > >

> > > >> >> > Big business in feeder cattle...do a

> > search

> > > on

> > > >> >> > feeder cattle, you'll

> > > >> >> > find lots and lots of hits relating to

> the

> > > >> stock

> > > >> >> > market. As long as

> > > >> >> > there is money made off it, it isn't

> going

> > > >> away.

> > > >> >> > Good reason to go to

> > > >> >> > natural, free-range beef.

> > > >> >> >

> > > >> >> > Besides, in my opinion there is no way

> to

> > > avoid

> > > >> >> > exposure to mad cow.

> > > >> >> > The prions only are destroyed at

> something

> > > like

> >

> === message truncated ===

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March 16, 2006

" purging our body of all the junk you have

accumiliated "

It is good to know that one cannot resist all

temptatoins and realize the need to abstain from

eating (fasting) for the purpose of cleansing the

toxins consumed.

Do you fast?

--- Joseph Toman <joseph_toman wrote:

> Thank you for being kind when you could have reacted

> to my nonsense.

>

> I learned how to eat by being a vegitarian for a

> time

> in my past. And studying what foods are good and

> which are bad. I certainly have not met my goal. I

> know but do not follow what I know. I am weak as

> most. And when at times we go to town I like to get

> a

> mcdonalds or something just to be away from here. I

> am not an example to follow. My genes do not make

> me

> overweight and does not help me in understanding

> other

> peoples problem with eating. I know what I know.

> I

> feel proud that I now have indeed given up sodas or

> stupid diet drinks and efference drinks that will

> kill

> you and steal vitimins and minerals from your body.

> Get off diet drinks, get off milk products and eat

> veges etc.

>

> Anyway, Sorry to be short. Don't mean to be. I

> know

> many are trying to get their intake under control.

> and just because I do not have that problem, does

> not

> mean others are not sturggling to survive. I am

> insensitive, sorry. Don't eat three biog meals a

> day,

> eat little as the day goes on - just enough to help

> you and feel full.

>

> Our government and our society in general is bent on

> killing us. Know that and resist the brainwash.

>

> Take this - eat this - take this pill for INSTANT

> relief. What a mess.

>

> So did I cover it: healthy eating is eating whole

> foods and along with that --purging our body of all

> the junk you have accumiliated - look to

> herbalfiberblend

>

> Sir, I apologise to you. And I will do whatever I

> can

> to help you understand.

>

> --- mike man <mgsboediitodpc wrote:

>

> > " " What does " healthy " mean to you? "

> > Yes how did you learn what to eat?

> > Were you told?

> > Did you observe what others were doing and

> followed.

> > Did you follow some text on proper eating?

> >

> > --- Joseph Toman <joseph_toman wrote:

> >

> > > Are you NUTs? " I will try to eat healthy "

> but....

> > >

> > > Eat yourself to death. If you wish. You admit

> you

> > > are

> > > over weight. So what is the problem. Either eat

> > > right

> > > or not. What does " healthy " mean to you?

> > >

> > > --- SHARON JAGGER <sharonjagger

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > > yes I know.. and Im not that much of a fanatic

> > > > anyway.

> > > > I just eat what tastes good and I can afford.

> if

> > > > healthy fits in those

> > > > criteria fine... I will try to eat healthy,

> but

> > if

> > > > it tastes like crap I

> > > > would rather go hungry... Im too fat anyway.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > " mike man " <mgsboediitodpc

> > > >

> > > > Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:55 AM

> > > > Re: Re: feeding

> > > > animals to animals

> > > >

> > > > > " god says we can eat it Im gonna eat it. "

> > > > > Actually there are rules on what to eat and

> > > > reasons

> > > > > for those rules are well defined within

> > various

> > > > > religions which some follow strictly and not

> > so

> > > > > strictly

> > > > >

> > > > > --- SHARON JAGGER <sharonjagger

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >> thats rediculous.

> > > > >> god says we can eat it Im gonna eat it.

> > > > >> especially if Im starving and there is

> > nothing

> > > > else

> > > > >> on my plate.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> -

> > > > >> " mike man " <mgsboediitodpc

> > > > >>

> > > > >> Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:21 PM

> > > > >> RE: Re:

> feeding

> > > > >> animals to animals

> > > > >>

> > > > >> > " I know people who follow Kosher laws

> who

> > > > won't

> > > > >> eat

> > > > >> > out because the restaurant serves bacon

> in

> > > the

> > > > >> > morning. "

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > They eat out just at approved

> restaruants.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > --- Ed Siceloff <siceloff

> > > wrote:

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> >>

> > > > >> >> Well gees. Why pick on beef? Anything

> > that

> > > > is

> > > > >> >> commercially raised for meat

> > > > >> >> has to grab your attention. I buy from

> a

> > > mill

> > > > >> that

> > > > >> >> makes many of their own

> > > > >> >> products. Just to be a little more sure

> > > about

> > > > >> what

> > > > >> >> I am feeding the

> > > > >> >> critters that I eat (mostly eggs from

> > > > chickens).

> > > > >> >> There is pretty much only

> > > > >> >> " good " ingredients in it. But, to be

> > sure,

> > > > from

> > > > >> >> what the research states,

> > > > >> >> prions actually have what I would say

> > > " eternal

> > > > >> life "

> > > > >> >> ascribed to them. You

> > > > >> >> give commercial feed to your animals,

> that

> > > has

> > > > >> >> animal carcass in it, that is

> > > > >> >> infected with the various spongeiform

> > > > diseases,

> > > > >> you

> > > > >> >> can be infected by

> > > > >> >> putting it on the soil you grow your

> > garden

> > > > in.

> > > > >> >> That is supposedly one of

> > > > >> >> the ways that deer and elk get infected

> > with

> > > > it.

> > > > >> >> But, I remember reading

> > > > >> >> some things stating that particular

> immune

> > > > >> systems

> > > > >> >> can handle these things

> > > > >> >> as well. Otherwise, we'd probably all

> be

> > > > already

> > > > >> >> sick with, what, mad

> > > > >> >> human?

> > > > >> >>

> > > > >> >> I know people who follow Kosher laws

> who

> > > > won't

> > > > >> eat

> > > > >> >> out because the

> > > > >> >> restaurant serves bacon in the morning.

> > Too

> > > > much

> > > > >> >> risk in it for them. Pig

> > > > >> >> gets all over everything.

> > > > >> >>

> > > > >> >> Another thought would be that the

> prions

> > > > last

>

=== message truncated ===

March 16, 2006

Shiree

Homeopathic hypericum is good for nerve damage, and it is inexpensive.

Your problems can be related to low thyroid.Have you been tested for

thyroid?If so one of the biggest problems is the standard testing for

thyroid which is just to do a TSH which is not reliable or nearly as

good as a complete thyroid panel which drs don't do because they have

been brainwashed about how to diagnose and treat thyroid.Low thyroid

causes weight gain ,high cholesterol numerous heart conditions and

many many other symptoms too numerous to mention.I can send you a lot

of resources if you are interested in checking this out further.One of

the easiest ways to check for low thyroid even before getting lab test

is to take your morning temperature .....if it is below 97.8 it's a

pretty good indication of a thyroid problem.If you have a thyroid

problem diet won't help all that much, so you are spinning your wheels

so to speak.Also thyroid problems run in families and there is an

epidemic of undiagnosed thyroid problems today.

Chantal

I'm bent on getting well despite a cardiac arrest 3 years ago, stent

> surgery, angioplasty a year later, and now a triple bypass 11 wks

ago..

> not fun..very barbaric surgery and my nerve damage from being cut

> open all those hours is pretty bad. I was 49 when I had the heart

attack,

> but my brother died without warning at barely 40, and my mom had

> the same things I do.

March 16, 2006

" ...diet won't help all that much... "

Do you really believe that???

--- ladyhawkblue2 <chantalh wrote:

>

> Shiree

> Homeopathic hypericum is good for nerve damage, and

> it is inexpensive.

> Your problems can be related to low thyroid.Have you

> been tested for

> thyroid?If so one of the biggest problems is the

> standard testing for

> thyroid which is just to do a TSH which is not

> reliable or nearly as

> good as a complete thyroid panel which drs don't do

> because they have

> been brainwashed about how to diagnose and treat

> thyroid.Low thyroid

> causes weight gain ,high cholesterol numerous heart

> conditions and

> many many other symptoms too numerous to mention.I

> can send you a lot

> of resources if you are interested in checking this

> out further.One of

> the easiest ways to check for low thyroid even

> before getting lab test

> is to take your morning temperature .....if it is

> below 97.8 it's a

> pretty good indication of a thyroid problem.If you

> have a thyroid

> problem diet won't help all that much, so you are

> spinning your wheels

> so to speak.Also thyroid problems run in families

> and there is an

> epidemic of undiagnosed thyroid problems today.

> Chantal

>

> I'm bent on getting well despite a cardiac arrest 3

> years ago, stent

> > surgery, angioplasty a year later, and now a

> triple bypass 11 wks

> ago..

> > not fun..very barbaric surgery and my nerve damage

> from being cut

> > open all those hours is pretty bad. I was 49 when

> I had the heart

> attack,

> > but my brother died without warning at barely 40,

> and my mom had

> > the same things I do.

>

March 16, 2006

Thanks again.

Be careful what Doctors you go to. Most are of the

AMA and they could care less about health and care

more about money; and tests and drugs and money....

Not that some doctors may not be okay, but most have

no idea that what you put in your mouth controls and

acts on what happens IN your body. Seems we should

have gotten way beyond that many centuries ago. But

most have been conditioned to believe OLD lies. And

the AMA has either murdered or shut down real research

like Dr Hoxie or Rife. Wherein you and I could be

CURED and 'they' would get no money any more.

Eat well, exercise moderately, and you will live for a

long time.

--- Shiree1000 wrote:

> I get real angry at traditional medicine, big

> pharma, and all that

> we as a society are going through in this world

> right now, too...

> I understood where you are coming from.

>

> I'm informed on much, but my need to keep learning

> about health

> is never ending. I haven't always practiced what

> I've learned either..

> that's why we're human, I guess. I used to raise my

> vegs for years

> and avoided medications, was healthy. Sometimes for

> various

> reasons, we let go of the good living..but it

> catches up for some of us.

> I'm bent on getting well despite a cardiac arrest 3

> years ago, stent

> surgery, angioplasty a year later, and now a triple

> bypass 11 wks ago..

> not fun..very barbaric surgery and my nerve damage

> from being cut

> open all those hours is pretty bad. I was 49 when I

> had the heart attack,

> but my brother died without warning at barely 40,

> and my mom had

> the same things I do.

>

> I'm thankful I never was a big soda drinker, so it

> was nothing to cut

> it out totally. I know it's really hard for some

> people, especially the

> very addicting diet sodas. With diabetes and heart

> trouble, there isn't

> much I can eat, but I'm finding out more.

>

> Have a good night..

> Lor

>

> In a message dated 3/16/2006 5:49:12 PM Central

> Standard Time,

> joseph_toman writes:

>

> > Thank you for being kind when you could have

> reacted

> > to my nonsense.

> >

> > I learned how to eat by being a vegitarian for a

> time

> > in my past. And studying what foods are good and

> > which are bad. I certainly have not met my goal.

> I

> > know but do not follow what I know. I am weak as

> > most. And when at times we go to town I like to

> get a

> > mcdonalds or something just to be away from here.

> I

> > am not an example to follow. My genes do not make

> me

> > overweight and does not help me in understanding

> other

> > peoples problem with eating. I know what I know.

> I

> > feel proud that I now have indeed given up sodas

> or

> > stupid diet drinks and efference drinks that will

> kill

> > you and steal vitimins and minerals from your

> body.

> > Get off diet drinks, get off milk products and eat

> > veges etc.

> >

> > Anyway, Sorry to be short. Don't mean to be. I

> know

> > many are trying to get their intake under control.

>

> > and just because I do not have that problem, does

> not

> > mean others are not sturggling to survive. I am

> > insensitive, sorry. Don't eat three biog meals a

> day,

> > eat little as the day goes on - just enough to

> help

> > you and feel full.

> >

> > Our government and our society in general is bent

> on

> > killing us. Know that and resist the brainwash.

> >

> > Take this - eat this - take this pill for INSTANT

> > relief. What a mess.

> >

> > So did I cover it: healthy eating is eating whole

> > foods and along with that --purging our body of

> all

> > the junk you have accumiliated - look to

> > herbalfiberblend

> >

> > Sir, I apologise to you. And I will do whatever I

> can

> > to help you understand.

> >

>

March 16, 2006

Are you being condesending or disrepectful. Perhaps

not. But after tomorrow you won't have to deal with

me anymore. Sorry to be such an ass.

--- mike man <mgsboediitodpc wrote:

> " purging our body of all the junk you have

> accumiliated "

> It is good to know that one cannot resist all

> temptatoins and realize the need to abstain from

> eating (fasting) for the purpose of cleansing the

> toxins consumed.

>

> Do you fast?

>

> --- Joseph Toman <joseph_toman wrote:

>

> > Thank you for being kind when you could have

> reacted

> > to my nonsense.

> >

> > I learned how to eat by being a vegitarian for a

> > time

> > in my past. And studying what foods are good and

> > which are bad. I certainly have not met my goal.

> I

> > know but do not follow what I know. I am weak as

> > most. And when at times we go to town I like to

> get

> > a

> > mcdonalds or something just to be away from here.

> I

> > am not an example to follow. My genes do not make

> > me

> > overweight and does not help me in understanding

> > other

> > peoples problem with eating. I know what I know.

>

> > I

> > feel proud that I now have indeed given up sodas

> or

> > stupid diet drinks and efference drinks that will

> > kill

> > you and steal vitimins and minerals from your

> body.

> > Get off diet drinks, get off milk products and eat

> > veges etc.

> >

> > Anyway, Sorry to be short. Don't mean to be. I

> > know

> > many are trying to get their intake under control.

>

> > and just because I do not have that problem, does

> > not

> > mean others are not sturggling to survive. I am

> > insensitive, sorry. Don't eat three biog meals a

> > day,

> > eat little as the day goes on - just enough to

> help

> > you and feel full.

> >

> > Our government and our society in general is bent

> on

> > killing us. Know that and resist the brainwash.

> >

> > Take this - eat this - take this pill for INSTANT

> > relief. What a mess.

> >

> > So did I cover it: healthy eating is eating whole

> > foods and along with that --purging our body of

> all

> > the junk you have accumiliated - look to

> > herbalfiberblend

> >

> > Sir, I apologise to you. And I will do whatever I

> > can

> > to help you understand.

> >

> > --- mike man <mgsboediitodpc wrote:

> >

> > > " " What does " healthy " mean to you? "

> > > Yes how did you learn what to eat?

> > > Were you told?

> > > Did you observe what others were doing and

> > followed.

> > > Did you follow some text on proper eating?

> > >

> > > --- Joseph Toman <joseph_toman wrote:

> > >

> > > > Are you NUTs? " I will try to eat healthy "

> > but....

> > > >

> > > > Eat yourself to death. If you wish. You admit

> > you

> > > > are

> > > > over weight. So what is the problem. Either

> eat

> > > > right

> > > > or not. What does " healthy " mean to you?

> > > >

> > > > --- SHARON JAGGER <sharonjagger

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > yes I know.. and Im not that much of a

> fanatic

> > > > > anyway.

> > > > > I just eat what tastes good and I can

> afford.

> > if

> > > > > healthy fits in those

> > > > > criteria fine... I will try to eat healthy,

> > but

> > > if

> > > > > it tastes like crap I

> > > > > would rather go hungry... Im too fat anyway.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > " mike man " <mgsboediitodpc

> > > > >

> > > > > Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:55 AM

> > > > > Re: Re:

> feeding

> > > > > animals to animals

> > > > >

> > > > > > " god says we can eat it Im gonna eat it. "

> > > > > > Actually there are rules on what to eat

> and

> > > > > reasons

> > > > > > for those rules are well defined within

> > > various

> > > > > > religions which some follow strictly and

> not

> > > so

> > > > > > strictly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- SHARON JAGGER

> <sharonjagger

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >> thats rediculous.

> > > > > >> god says we can eat it Im gonna eat it.

> > > > > >> especially if Im starving and there is

> > > nothing

> > > > > else

> > > > > >> on my plate.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> -

> > > > > >> " mike man "

> <mgsboediitodpc

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:21 PM

> > > > > >> RE: Re:

> > feeding

> > > > > >> animals to animals

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > " I know people who follow Kosher laws

> > who

> > > > > won't

> > > > > >> eat

> > > > > >> > out because the restaurant serves bacon

> > in

> > > > the

> > > > > >> > morning. "

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > They eat out just at approved

> > restaruants.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > --- Ed Siceloff

> <siceloff

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> >>

> > > > > >> >> Well gees. Why pick on beef?

> Anything

> > > that

> > > > > is

> > > > > >> >> commercially raised for meat

> > > > > >> >> has to grab your attention. I buy

> from

> > a

> > > > mill

> > > > > >> that

> > > > > >> >> makes many of their own

> > > > > >> >> products. Just to be a little more

> sure

> > > > about

> > > > > >> what

> > > > > >> >> I am feeding the

> > > > > >> >> critters that I eat (mostly eggs from

> > > > > chickens).

> > > > > >> >> There is pretty much only

> > > > > >> >> " good " ingredients in it. But, to be

> > > sure,

> > > > > from

> > > > > >> >> what the research states,

> > > > > >> >> prions actually have what I would say

> > > > " eternal

> > > > > >> life "

> > > > > >> >> ascribed to them. You

> > > > > >> >> give commercial feed to your animals,

> > that

> > > > has

> > > > > >> >> animal carcass in it, that is

> > > > > >> >> infected with the various spongeiform

> > > > > diseases,

> > > > > >> you

> > > > > >> >> can be infected by

> > > > > >> >> putting it on the soil you grow your

> > > garden

> > > > > in.

> > > > > >> >> That is supposedly one of

> > > > > >> >> the ways that deer and elk get

> infected

> > > with

> > > > > it.

> > > > > >> >> But, I remember reading

> > > > > >> >> some things stating that particular

> > immune

> > > > > >> systems

> > > > > >> >> can handle these things

> > > > > >> >> as well. Otherwise, we'd probably all

> > be

> > > > > already

> > > > > >> >> sick with, what, mad

> > > > > >> >> human?

> > > > > >> >>

> > > > > >> >> I know people who follow Kosher laws

> > who

> > > > > won't

> > > > > >> eat

> > > > > >> >> out because the

> > > > > >> >> restaurant serves bacon in the

> morning.

> > > Too

> > > > > much

> > > > > >> >> risk in it for them. Pig

> > > > > >> >> gets all over everything.

> > > > > >> >>

> > > > > >> >> Another thought would be that the

> > prions

> > > > > last

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

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>

March 17, 2006

" Donkey "

Admission is the first step.

So what are you doing to stop this behavior?

--- Joseph Toman <joseph_toman wrote:

> Are you being condesending or disrepectful. Perhaps

> not. But after tomorrow you won't have to deal with

> me anymore. Sorry to be such an ass.

>

> --- mike man <mgsboediitodpc wrote:

>

> > " purging our body of all the junk you have

> > accumiliated "

> > It is good to know that one cannot resist all

> > temptatoins and realize the need to abstain from

> > eating (fasting) for the purpose of cleansing the

> > toxins consumed.

> >

> > Do you fast?

> >

> > --- Joseph Toman <joseph_toman wrote:

> >

> > > Thank you for being kind when you could have

> > reacted

> > > to my nonsense.

> > >

> > > I learned how to eat by being a vegitarian for a

> > > time

> > > in my past. And studying what foods are good

> and

> > > which are bad. I certainly have not met my

> goal.

> > I

> > > know but do not follow what I know. I am weak

> as

> > > most. And when at times we go to town I like to

> > get

> > > a

> > > mcdonalds or something just to be away from

> here.

> > I

> > > am not an example to follow. My genes do not

> make

> > > me

> > > overweight and does not help me in understanding

> > > other

> > > peoples problem with eating. I know what I

> know.

> >

> > > I

> > > feel proud that I now have indeed given up sodas

> > or

> > > stupid diet drinks and efference drinks that

> will

> > > kill

> > > you and steal vitimins and minerals from your

> > body.

> > > Get off diet drinks, get off milk products and

> eat

> > > veges etc.

> > >

> > > Anyway, Sorry to be short. Don't mean to be. I

> > > know

> > > many are trying to get their intake under

> control.

> >

> > > and just because I do not have that problem,

> does

> > > not

> > > mean others are not sturggling to survive. I am

> > > insensitive, sorry. Don't eat three biog meals

> a

> > > day,

> > > eat little as the day goes on - just enough to

> > help

> > > you and feel full.

> > >

> > > Our government and our society in general is

> bent

> > on

> > > killing us. Know that and resist the brainwash.

> > >

> > > Take this - eat this - take this pill for

> INSTANT

> > > relief. What a mess.

> > >

> > > So did I cover it: healthy eating is eating

> whole

> > > foods and along with that --purging our body of

> > all

> > > the junk you have accumiliated - look to

> > > herbalfiberblend

> > >

> > > Sir, I apologise to you. And I will do whatever

> I

> > > can

> > > to help you understand.

> > >

> > > --- mike man <mgsboediitodpc wrote:

> > >

> > > > " " What does " healthy " mean to you? "

> > > > Yes how did you learn what to eat?

> > > > Were you told?

> > > > Did you observe what others were doing and

> > > followed.

> > > > Did you follow some text on proper eating?

> > > >

> > > > --- Joseph Toman <joseph_toman

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Are you NUTs? " I will try to eat healthy "

> > > but....

> > > > >

> > > > > Eat yourself to death. If you wish. You

> admit

> > > you

> > > > > are

> > > > > over weight. So what is the problem. Either

> > eat

> > > > > right

> > > > > or not. What does " healthy " mean to you?

> > > > >

> > > > > --- SHARON JAGGER <sharonjagger

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > yes I know.. and Im not that much of a

> > fanatic

> > > > > > anyway.

> > > > > > I just eat what tastes good and I can

> > afford.

> > > if

> > > > > > healthy fits in those

> > > > > > criteria fine... I will try to eat

> healthy,

> > > but

> > > > if

> > > > > > it tastes like crap I

> > > > > > would rather go hungry... Im too fat

> anyway.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > " mike man "

> <mgsboediitodpc

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:55 AM

> > > > > > Re: Re:

> > feeding

> > > > > > animals to animals

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > " god says we can eat it Im gonna eat

> it. "

> > > > > > > Actually there are rules on what to eat

> > and

> > > > > > reasons

> > > > > > > for those rules are well defined within

> > > > various

> > > > > > > religions which some follow strictly and

> > not

> > > > so

> > > > > > > strictly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- SHARON JAGGER

> > <sharonjagger

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> thats rediculous.

> > > > > > >> god says we can eat it Im gonna eat it.

> > > > > > >> especially if Im starving and there is

> > > > nothing

> > > > > > else

> > > > > > >> on my plate.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> -

> > > > > > >> " mike man "

> > <mgsboediitodpc

> > > > > > >> To:

>

> > > > > > >> Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:21 PM

> > > > > > >> RE: Re:

> > > feeding

> > > > > > >> animals to animals

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > " I know people who follow Kosher

> laws

> > > who

> > > > > > won't

> > > > > > >> eat

> > > > > > >> > out because the restaurant serves

> bacon

> > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > >> > morning. "

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > They eat out just at approved

> > > restaruants.

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > --- Ed Siceloff

> > <siceloff

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > >> >> Well gees. Why pick on beef?

> > Anything

> > > > that

>

=== message truncated ===

March 17, 2006

" Eat well "

define please!!

--- Joseph Toman <joseph_toman wrote:

> Thanks again.

>

> Be careful what Doctors you go to. Most are of the

> AMA and they could care less about health and care

> more about money; and tests and drugs and money....

>

> Not that some doctors may not be okay, but most have

> no idea that what you put in your mouth controls and

> acts on what happens IN your body. Seems we should

> have gotten way beyond that many centuries ago. But

> most have been conditioned to believe OLD lies. And

> the AMA has either murdered or shut down real

> research

> like Dr Hoxie or Rife. Wherein you and I could be

> CURED and 'they' would get no money any more.

>

> Eat well, exercise moderately, and you will live for

> a

> long time.

>

> --- Shiree1000 wrote:

>

> > I get real angry at traditional medicine, big

> > pharma, and all that

> > we as a society are going through in this world

> > right now, too...

> > I understood where you are coming from.

> >

> > I'm informed on much, but my need to keep learning

> > about health

> > is never ending. I haven't always practiced what

> > I've learned either..

> > that's why we're human, I guess. I used to raise

> my

> > vegs for years

> > and avoided medications, was healthy. Sometimes

> for

> > various

> > reasons, we let go of the good living..but it

> > catches up for some of us.

> > I'm bent on getting well despite a cardiac arrest

> 3

> > years ago, stent

> > surgery, angioplasty a year later, and now a

> triple

> > bypass 11 wks ago..

> > not fun..very barbaric surgery and my nerve damage

> > from being cut

> > open all those hours is pretty bad. I was 49 when

> I

> > had the heart attack,

> > but my brother died without warning at barely 40,

> > and my mom had

> > the same things I do.

> >

> > I'm thankful I never was a big soda drinker, so it

> > was nothing to cut

> > it out totally. I know it's really hard for some

> > people, especially the

> > very addicting diet sodas. With diabetes and heart

> > trouble, there isn't

> > much I can eat, but I'm finding out more.

> >

> > Have a good night..

> > Lor

> >

> > In a message dated 3/16/2006 5:49:12 PM Central

> > Standard Time,

> > joseph_toman writes:

> >

> > > Thank you for being kind when you could have

> > reacted

> > > to my nonsense.

> > >

> > > I learned how to eat by being a vegitarian for a

> > time

> > > in my past. And studying what foods are good

> and

> > > which are bad. I certainly have not met my

> goal.

> > I

> > > know but do not follow what I know. I am weak

> as

> > > most. And when at times we go to town I like to

> > get a

> > > mcdonalds or something just to be away from

> here.

> > I

> > > am not an example to follow. My genes do not

> make

> > me

> > > overweight and does not help me in understanding

> > other

> > > peoples problem with eating. I know what I

> know.

> > I

> > > feel proud that I now have indeed given up sodas

> > or

> > > stupid diet drinks and efference drinks that

> will

> > kill

> > > you and steal vitimins and minerals from your

> > body.

> > > Get off diet drinks, get off milk products and

> eat

> > > veges etc.

> > >

> > > Anyway, Sorry to be short. Don't mean to be. I

> > know

> > > many are trying to get their intake under

> control.

> >

> > > and just because I do not have that problem,

> does

> > not

> > > mean others are not sturggling to survive. I am

> > > insensitive, sorry. Don't eat three biog meals

> a

> > day,

> > > eat little as the day goes on - just enough to

> > help

> > > you and feel full.

> > >

> > > Our government and our society in general is

> bent

> > on

> > > killing us. Know that and resist the brainwash.

> > >

> > > Take this - eat this - take this pill for

> INSTANT

> > > relief. What a mess.

> > >

> > > So did I cover it: healthy eating is eating

> whole

> > > foods and along with that --purging our body of

> > all

> > > the junk you have accumiliated - look to

> > > herbalfiberblend

> > >

> > > Sir, I apologise to you. And I will do whatever

> I

> > can

> > > to help you understand.

> > >

> >

>

March 17, 2006

Please say you mean it!!!

Joseph said:

But after tomorrow you won't have to deal with

me anymore. Sorry to be such an ass.

March 21, 2006

Chantal,

Thanks for the info. Our Whole Foods Market used to have homeopathic there, and there are some organic coops I haven't checked in the city yet.

I have always been "within normal limits" on the thyroid testing, sometimes a little toward the bottom but they always just order the TSH only!! I can identify with many of the hypothyroid symptoms and an online friend who has Hashimoto's used to think I had it too...My dad took thyroid medication when he was older, and so did my aunt, My skin has been VERY dry since 2000, but at that time it came on suddenly and I blamed Kava, Kava and then blamed it on possible liver problems..but the one liver test they keep running is normal. I have also blamed it on my age and perimenopause and now I think I'm possibly in menopause. Have other symptoms too. My temp always runs 97. something as it runs in the family and my daughter has that too. They say RH neg people run a lower temp also.

I just found out for sure that I'm allergic to the iodine they put into angiogram dyes for my heart tests..they also added potassium iodide to my wrist band yesterday when I was in for a long heart scan and chemical stress test.

I wish I could get the Dr. to run more thyroid tests..perhaps I'll just ask the next time I visit.

Thanks!