Sleep

[Guest guest]

Hi Lisa,

My son(he's 11) is autistic and had terrible sleep habits for years. Over the years, I've found that vitamins have been the best solution for us. Doc's Total Nutrition is a complete vitamin supplement.

Do you use a juicer? I find that I don't sleep as well when I skip a couple of days

juicing. You could juice leafy greens that are calcium rich and mix it with something he likes.

Lemon egg is a good option for calcium.

Hope this helps,

Ann

 

Dear all,

 

 

wow, my first question to the group :-)

 

My 4 1/2 year old son with Down's Syndrome is a very restless sleeper. Since

4 weeks he is sleeping in a single bed (from a cot) and he still falls out

each night. This is the usual routine:

8pm he goes to sleep. I stay with him until he falls asleep. Then when I go

to bed, usually 11-12pm, and I go check on him, every single night he's on

the floor by then (fallen out), and I put him back in bed. Approx 2-3am he

creeps into our bed for about half an hour or so, and we put him back in his

bed. 6-7 am he wakes me up, ready for play.

 

He's also got swollen and bruised chest bones, which I suspect are from

falling out of bed - at least I have no idea where else that could come

from. Jamie is with me all day, and I haven't seen him hurt himself like

that. No matter how much or how little activity we do in a day, the sleep

pattern is the same.

 

Jamie also is very restless when sleeping. He lies in one position only for

a short while, then sits up (while still fast asleep) and sways a bit until

he falls down (sometimes banging his head against the wall while swaying

which strangely enough doesn't wake him up!), sometimes lying head on

pillow, then feet on pillow. This restlessness has been with him since he

was able to sit up, so even in the cot, and is not new to being in a bed.

 

Does anyone have any idea what's going on, and how I can help him sleep

peacefully and fitfully?

 

Mrs Lisa Belcher

Sunderland, UK

[Guest guest]

This is when a juicer comes in handy. I literally juice William's dinner salad and give it to him(I have a way to get it down him, if you're interested) while I'm cooking since he won't eat a salad.

Can you get all or some of the total nutrition ingredients and make it yourself?

Good luck,

Ann

 

 

Since he was able to, he started getting very picky with food. I give him pasta with veg and tuna, and he'll eat it leaving the veg and tuna :-) This may have something to do with this! Hmmm. Will need to find another way to get him the veg!

[Guest guest]

Hi Lisa,

 

I haven't seen any replys to this on the list, so I thought I'd send my 2¢

along.

 

I assume you have tried cal-mag? Camomile tea? Also, to prevent him falling out

you might get a bed rail (but

then he may just hit his head on that). For the bruises I use " Traumed " which I

get at the HFS. It comes as an

ointment (has arnica in it) and also as a homeopathic tablet. It is used for

bruises or minor sports injuries

(and since Jamie is working on becoming a football player at night, maybe it is

sports injuries <g>).

 

I hope you find some good solution. He is a very cute boy (I've seen his

picture).

 

Marti

Sunland, CA

 

Lisa Belcher wrote:

 

> Dear all,

>

> wow, my first question to the group :-)

>

> My 4 1/2 year old son with Down's Syndrome is a very restless sleeper. Since

> 4 weeks he is sleeping in a single bed (from a cot) and he still falls out

> each night. This is the usual routine:

> 8pm he goes to sleep. I stay with him until he falls asleep. Then when I go

> to bed, usually 11-12pm, and I go check on him, every single night he's on

> the floor by then (fallen out), and I put him back in bed. Approx 2-3am he

> creeps into our bed for about half an hour or so, and we put him back in his

> bed. 6-7 am he wakes me up, ready for play.

>

> He's also got swollen and bruised chest bones, which I suspect are from

> falling out of bed - at least I have no idea where else that could come

> from. Jamie is with me all day, and I haven't seen him hurt himself like

> that. No matter how much or how little activity we do in a day, the sleep

> pattern is the same.

>

> Jamie also is very restless when sleeping. He lies in one position only for

> a short while, then sits up (while still fast asleep) and sways a bit until

> he falls down (sometimes banging his head against the wall while swaying

> which strangely enough doesn't wake him up!), sometimes lying head on

> pillow, then feet on pillow. This restlessness has been with him since he

> was able to sit up, so even in the cot, and is not new to being in a bed.

>

> Does anyone have any idea what's going on, and how I can help him sleep

> peacefully and fitfully?

>

> Mrs Lisa Belcher

> Sunderland, UK

>

> ICQ # 115492725

>

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[Guest guest]

His bedroom, especially the bed, should be checked for electromagnetic

fields. I have seen this happen with children no matter what their overall

state otherwise. Here is a short list of things that could be affecting him:

 

an appliance on the other side of the wall, such as a refrigerator or TV

an electrical circuit breaker panel or fusebox nearby

a transformer outside the building but still too close

a clock radio placed too close to the bed

a metal bed frame picking up and transmuting a radar wave (weird but i've

seen it!)

an old iron or brass lamp near the bed

bad wiring in the walls

 

Any of these could cause the problem, and if the bed frame has any metal in

it, the effects would be magnified. Some people have gotten relief by

simply using a futon on a wood frame instead.

 

I have handled a number of cases where these symptoms were present, and all

were relieved once some elecromagnetic problem was found. Children are

usually more sensitive to these invisible fields than adults.

 

At 08:20 PM 8/15/02 +0100, you wrote:

>Dear all,

>

>wow, my first question to the group :-)

>

>My 4 1/2 year old son with Down's Syndrome is a very restless sleeper. Since

>4 weeks he is sleeping in a single bed (from a cot) and he still falls out

>each night. This is the usual routine:

>8pm he goes to sleep. I stay with him until he falls asleep. Then when I go

>to bed, usually 11-12pm, and I go check on him, every single night he's on

>the floor by then (fallen out), and I put him back in bed. Approx 2-3am he

>creeps into our bed for about half an hour or so, and we put him back in his

>bed. 6-7 am he wakes me up, ready for play.

>

>He's also got swollen and bruised chest bones, which I suspect are from

>falling out of bed - at least I have no idea where else that could come

>from. Jamie is with me all day, and I haven't seen him hurt himself like

>that. No matter how much or how little activity we do in a day, the sleep

>pattern is the same.

>

>Jamie also is very restless when sleeping. He lies in one position only for

>a short while, then sits up (while still fast asleep) and sways a bit until

>he falls down (sometimes banging his head against the wall while swaying

>which strangely enough doesn't wake him up!), sometimes lying head on

>pillow, then feet on pillow. This restlessness has been with him since he

>was able to sit up, so even in the cot, and is not new to being in a bed.

>

>Does anyone have any idea what's going on, and how I can help him sleep

>peacefully and fitfully?

>

>Mrs Lisa Belcher

>Sunderland, UK

>

>ICQ # 115492725

>

>

-- Michael Riversong **

Professional Harpist, Educator, and Writer **

RivEdu ** Phone: (307)635-0900 FAX (413)691-0399

http://home.earthlink.net/~rivedu -- Educational Site

[Guest guest]

OK, that's the sort of information that helps to focus on possibilities. It

would be against the laws of probability for there to be an electromagnetic

problem in each of three different houses.

 

Given the unique hormonal configurations that seem to come with each Down's

Syndrome kid, that's the next area to check out. There may be some key food

that would work. It may be something off the wall, like peaches or tofu.

This is more a process of trial and error.

 

Is tryptophan still available in the UK? It's prohibited here. Some people

respond very well to it.

 

On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 08:47:07 +0100 Lisa Belcher <lisa.belcher

wrote:

 

> Hello Michael,

>

> Thanks.

>

> His bed as 100% wood. There's no clock radio,

> no electrical appliances

> upstairs. He has a light, but it's on the wall

> on the other side of the room

> and it's a modern type of a kind of plastic. So

> the only thing it could be

> is the wiring in the house. However, we have

> lived in 3 different houses,

> all of a different design and he's been the

> same in all of them. So I

> wouldn't know where to start looking?

>

> ML

> Lisa

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting coincidence, isn't it? The story of Tryptophan's banning is

terrible. It appears that the whole thing was a covertly organized campaign.

A small Japanese company had been using a new manufacturing process for it

which involved culturing bacteria. ONE batch ended up contaminated and sent

to the USA. ONE person died, although several were made very ill. From that

ONE incident, ALL Tryptophan was banned, whether or not it was made from this

new process.

 

Oh, and did i mention that several employees of the FDA ended up working for

the pharmaceutical company that released Prozac?

 

On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:32:40 +0100 Lisa Belcher <lisa.belcher

wrote:

 

> I'm checking on the tryptophan. CERI institute

> used to use it for DS

> children until it got banned. They say on their

> website, that the Tryptophan

> was banned, and in the same week Prozac was

> released !!

>

> Lisa

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info!

 

Mbanu

[Guest guest]

Thanks to all who are contributing info about TCM and sleep.

I would appreciate hearing insights about helping someone who cannot get to

sleep until 3-5am (a real " night owl " )...

 

He says that when he tries to go to bed early he is plagued by thoughts,

fears, worries, etc. and must get up to read or watch TV until he is too

exhausted.

 

He has also complained of feeling really hot at night and of abdominal pains

(not " acid reflux " ). When I palpate his abdomen he is particularly sensitive

on the left side and in the center under the diaphragm. He has a hard time

tolerating any touch to his abdomen, which does feel cold to me.

 

I'd love anyone's input on this. Please know that I am not an advanced

practictioner (I know some Shiatsu) and am an eager learner of TCM.

thank you

christine

[Guest guest]

>who cannot get to

>sleep until 3-5am (a real " night owl " )...

>

>He says that when he tries to go to bed early he is plagued by thoughts,

>fears, worries, etc. and must get up to read or watch TV until he is too

>exhausted.

 

It sounds like he's too " wound up " to sleep. Obsessing suggests Spleen

imbalance. Fears suggests Gall Bladder Deficiency and/or Kidney imbalance.

 

>He has also complained of feeling really hot at night and of abdominal

>pains

>(not " acid reflux " ).

 

Very often, people who are Kidney Yin and Kidney Yang Deficient will feel

hot at night. If the Kidney Yin Deficiency predominates, nothing will

relieve the feelings of heat - except addressing the Kidney Yin Deficiency.

If the Kidney Yang Deficiency predominates, the middle of the night may be

the only time the person actually feels warm. In the case of the Kidney

Yang Deficiency predominating, a sip of room temperature water often will

cool the person down instantly so the person is able to get back to sleep.

 

>When I palpate his abdomen he is particularly sensitive

>on the left side and in the center under the diaphragm. He has a hard time

>tolerating any touch to his abdomen, which does feel cold to me.

 

Pain in the left side under the diaphragm can point to problems in the

Spleen and the spleen. From a TCM perspective, pain in the sides often point

to Liver Qi problems. There can be Liver Qi Stagnation problems in the Liver

meridian (the Liver meridian runs in this area), or, it can indicate Liver

Invading Spleen and/or Stomach. In the case of the Liver Qi Invasion

propbles, it's not uncommon for the pains to start in the right side and

then switch to the left. When the pains move to the left, this may

correlate with the person being sicker and a worsening of overall symptoms.

 

From a Western perspective, pain in the left side can be a symptom of

problems in the spleen. This can be due to a variety of conditions,

including mononucleosis and some other blood or spleen disorders. One of the

odd things about mononucleosis (glandular fever) is that even though the

person may desperately need sleep and rest, the person has trouble relaxing

and sleeping.

 

The Stomach is one of the Organs that Cold can invade directly.

 

What does the overall picture look like to you? What color is the tongue

and tongue coating? How thick is the tongue coating, or is it absent?

 

Ask him if he ever experiences feelings of floating or falling as he is

going to sleep. If so, this points strongly to Liver Blood and/or Liver Yin

Deficiency. Fears at night can be Gall Bladder Deficiency and/or Kidney

Deficiency. There may be joint Kidney and Liver Yin Deficiency.

 

These are just ideas. Things to consider. I hope others will contribute

ideas too. Does anyone have any info on TCM and circadian rhythms and TCM?

On days and nights being reversed?

 

Thanks,

Victoria

 

 

 

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I am a new member here, (and am not a practitioner, but a very curious

patient, so I hope I am not out of line here) but I was reading back

through this info on sleep and I wanted to thank you all for your

thoughts, as what this other patient has, is *very* similar to my

issues with being unable to fall asleep and awaking very hot. Several

of you have indicated this to be an indicator of a deficecnies in

either the liver or kidney... what got me thinking was that my

debilitating injury runs along my liver channel almost exclusively in

my lower leg and I was curious to know if there was any coorelation

there with the liver issues. (ie, other liver issues that are

preventing my leg from healing, etc)

Again, as neither a practicioner or a student, i appologize if this is

out of line. I am not seeking diagnostic care here, rather curious to

know more about how the whole system of TCM works in relation to my

injury to gain a better understanding of why a year of being treated by

western medicine has yielded no results.

Thank you in advance

Katrina

 

 

> >who cannot get to

> >sleep until 3-5am (a real " night owl " )...

> >

> >He says that when he tries to go to bed early he is plagued by thoughts,

> >fears, worries, etc. and must get up to read or watch TV until he is too

> >exhausted.

>

> It sounds like he's too " wound up " to sleep. Obsessing suggests Spleen

> imbalance. Fears suggests Gall Bladder Deficiency and/or Kidney imbalance.

>

> >He has also complained of feeling really hot at night and of abdominal

> >pains

> >(not " acid reflux " ).

>

> Very often, people who are Kidney Yin and Kidney Yang Deficient will feel

> hot at night. If the Kidney Yin Deficiency predominates, nothing will

> relieve the feelings of heat - except addressing the Kidney Yin Deficiency.

> If the Kidney Yang Deficiency predominates, the middle of the night may be

> the only time the person actually feels warm. In the case of the Kidney

> Yang Deficiency predominating, a sip of room temperature water often will

> cool the person down instantly so the person is able to get back to sleep.

>

> >When I palpate his abdomen he is particularly sensitive

> >on the left side and in the center under the diaphragm. He has a hard time

> >tolerating any touch to his abdomen, which does feel cold to me.

>

> Pain in the left side under the diaphragm can point to problems in the

> Spleen and the spleen. From a TCM perspective, pain in the sides often point

> to Liver Qi problems. There can be Liver Qi Stagnation problems in the Liver

> meridian (the Liver meridian runs in this area), or, it can indicate Liver

> Invading Spleen and/or Stomach. In the case of the Liver Qi Invasion

> propbles, it's not uncommon for the pains to start in the right side and

> then switch to the left. When the pains move to the left, this may

> correlate with the person being sicker and a worsening of overall symptoms.

>

> From a Western perspective, pain in the left side can be a symptom of

> problems in the spleen. This can be due to a variety of conditions,

> including mononucleosis and some other blood or spleen disorders. One of the

> odd things about mononucleosis (glandular fever) is that even though the

> person may desperately need sleep and rest, the person has trouble relaxing

> and sleeping.

>

> The Stomach is one of the Organs that Cold can invade directly.

>

> What does the overall picture look like to you? What color is the tongue

> and tongue coating? How thick is the tongue coating, or is it absent?

>

> Ask him if he ever experiences feelings of floating or falling as he is

> going to sleep. If so, this points strongly to Liver Blood and/or Liver Yin

> Deficiency. Fears at night can be Gall Bladder Deficiency and/or Kidney

> Deficiency. There may be joint Kidney and Liver Yin Deficiency.

>

> These are just ideas. Things to consider. I hope others will contribute

> ideas too. Does anyone have any info on TCM and circadian rhythms and TCM?

> On days and nights being reversed?

>

> Thanks,

> Victoria

>

>

>

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> I am a new member here, (and am not a practitioner, but a very

curious

> patient, so I hope I am not out of line here)

 

Not at all. This is what the list exists for.

 

but I was reading back

> through this info on sleep and I wanted to thank you all for your

> thoughts, as what this other patient has, is *very* similar to my

> issues with being unable to fall asleep and awaking very hot.

 

A lot of times trouble falling asleep can point to Blood Deficiency.

(Blood is captitalized because the TCM concept of Blood does not

correspond exactly to the Western anatomical blood.)

 

> Several

> of you have indicated this to be an indicator of a deficecnies in

> either the liver or kidney... what got me thinking was that my

> debilitating injury runs along my liver channel almost exclusively

in

> my lower leg and I was curious to know if there was any coorelation

> there with the liver issues. (ie, other liver issues that are

> preventing my leg from healing, etc)

 

Very possibly. One indication of problems in a particular meridian

(path of Qi flow) is that the area along the meridian will be sore,

numb, tinglly, look red, feel cold, feel hot, etc.

 

The TCM definition of Blood is that it nourishes and moistens. If

there is a Blood Deficiency problem, it can manifest as an area not

healing because the area is not receiving the needed nutrients.

 

Do you have a TCM diagnosis from the acupunturist? Not all

acupunturists have a background or an extensive background in TCM.

 

> rather curious to

> know more about how the whole system of TCM works in relation to my

> injury

 

The earliest posts in the message group are the most basic, and will

walk you through the fundamentals of TCM. There also is a search

function in the message base which allows you to access posts on

particular topics.

 

> to gain a better understanding of why a year of being treated by

> western medicine has yielded no results.

 

Western medicine works better for some things, Chinese medicine works

better for others, and sometimes a combination of the two works best.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

Victoria,

Thank you for your responses..

Here is a little more background into my particular situation. I was

diagnosed early on with bilateral tibail periostitis..essesntially shin

splints... which progressed into an acute and chronic medial tibial

stress syndrome (dx by western and confirmed by well known TCM sports

injury TCM practitioner) After my initial shin splints healed about a

year ago, I was left with residual pain in my lower left tibia (medial)

which consited of a tear/burning like pain in the soft tissue, and

accompianed by a swelling and throbbing feeling of the bone, very

localized and very accute, which was aggrivated by activity and not

reduced by rest. Westerm medicine, after 4 x-rays, 2 bones scans, a

bone denisty scan and an MRI, were able to tell me not much more than

my injury was 'odd'. It is a typical running overuse injury, however

the extended length of time (a year now) of the acupte pain I and the

accompianed numbness over the front of the shin was atypical to the

normal MTSS dx. While they could tell me what I 'had " , they coldn;t

tell me what to do about it, and with even walking being painful, much

less running, I was left to seek other alternatives, which is how I

ended up with TCM. The practicioner (Matt Callison, if you want to look

him up) also gave the dx of MTSS, overuse injury and was very positive

about recovery with the 2X week treatments. While a lot of what he

spouted off was TCM terminology I wasn't familiar with, I was able to

have the nature of the injury and thus subsequent treatment options

explained to me. So far, acupuncture has been the only pain managment

tool that has worked. I have been told that there is extensive soft

tissue and bone stress damage to the area, including scar tissue but am

not as clear as to all the processes invovled in healing this.

We have done poultice and has turned my leg black and blue something

fierce, which I am told is to be expected and dong its job, and I do

have good reactions to the needling (feeling the Qi moving and feeling

results)

They have also commented on the lack of heat in the area of the injury,

and moxa is used fairly frequently as part of the treatments.

Is it my understanding that the bruising is the result of the old blood

stagnation being brought to the surface and now we will move it out of

the way and this will help promote healing of the area? A good portion

of needling is done along the liver channel.

I had never thought to associate my inability to fall asleep issues

with the injury directly (other than the mental stress and frustration

of coping with it) until I started to gain a bit of an understanding as

to how TCM works.

What I also don't understand is I recently experienced a 'relapse' of

pain in teh area, which cannot be attributed to overuse (I had

acupuncture on wed, did not do any physical activity, and late thursday

night had acute pain severe enough for me to have to go home from

work..and I sit for a living) and I can't explain why this sudden

recurrence of pain, when the acupuncture has been effective at

controling the pain. I see my acupuncturist again on Monday.

 

Ok, now that I have rambled on and on and probably didn't anwer any of

your questions..

thank you again for you thoughts

katrina

 

> > I am a new member here, (and am not a practitioner, but a very

> curious

> > patient, so I hope I am not out of line here)

>

> Not at all. This is what the list exists for.

>

> but I was reading back

> > through this info on sleep and I wanted to thank you all for your

> > thoughts, as what this other patient has, is *very* similar to my

> > issues with being unable to fall asleep and awaking very hot.

>

> A lot of times trouble falling asleep can point to Blood Deficiency.

> (Blood is captitalized because the TCM concept of Blood does not

> correspond exactly to the Western anatomical blood.)

>

> > Several

> > of you have indicated this to be an indicator of a deficecnies in

> > either the liver or kidney... what got me thinking was that my

> > debilitating injury runs along my liver channel almost exclusively

> in

> > my lower leg and I was curious to know if there was any coorelation

> > there with the liver issues. (ie, other liver issues that are

> > preventing my leg from healing, etc)

>

> Very possibly. One indication of problems in a particular meridian

> (path of Qi flow) is that the area along the meridian will be sore,

> numb, tinglly, look red, feel cold, feel hot, etc.

>

> The TCM definition of Blood is that it nourishes and moistens. If

> there is a Blood Deficiency problem, it can manifest as an area not

> healing because the area is not receiving the needed nutrients.

>

> Do you have a TCM diagnosis from the acupunturist? Not all

> acupunturists have a background or an extensive background in TCM.

>

> > rather curious to

> > know more about how the whole system of TCM works in relation to my

> > injury

>

> The earliest posts in the message group are the most basic, and will

> walk you through the fundamentals of TCM. There also is a search

> function in the message base which allows you to access posts on

> particular topics.

>

> > to gain a better understanding of why a year of being treated by

> > western medicine has yielded no results.

>

> Western medicine works better for some things, Chinese medicine works

> better for others, and sometimes a combination of the two works best.

>

> Victoria

[Guest guest]

>which progressed into an acute and chronic medial tibial

stress syndrome (dx by western and confirmed by well known TCM sports

injury TCM practitioner)

 

MTSS is a western diagnosis, not a TCM diagnosis. If a TCM healer

does not

also have training and certification/ licensing in Western medicine,

the TCM

healer is not allowed to make or confirm a western diagnosis. I

mention

this because the differences between western and Chinese medicine are

so

great. And sometimes, the western diagnosis can get in the way of

understanding the TCM diagnosis. An example I use frequently on

here is

asthma. There are several different TCM syndromes that can manifest

as

breathing problems. The TCM treatment that helps one asthmatic may do

nothing for a second and may even make a third sicker because each of

the 3

have a different Root problem and require different TCM treatments.

 

>While a lot of what he

spouted off was TCM terminology I wasn't familiar with, I was able to

have the nature of the injury and thus subsequent treatment options

explained to me.

 

Ask him to write down the TCM diagnosis so you can research it and

learn

more about it. In my experience, most Westerners find it easiest to

learn

about TCM when they start with the TCM problem(s) they have.

Otherwise the

jargon and the underlying concepts of TCM can be overwhelming.

Actually, TCM

can seem overwhelming at first even when one knows her or his TCM

diagnosis

because the concepts and terminology are so different from Western

medicine.

 

>I had never thought to associate my inability to fall asleep issues

with the injury directly (other than the mental stress and frustration

of coping with it) until I started to gain a bit of an understanding

as

to how TCM works.

 

They may or may not be related. Did the problems with falling asleep

start

before or after the leg problems? There may be more than one TCM

imbalance.

On the other hand, the injury and accompanying stress and frustration

may

not be the cause of the insomnia. Both the insomnia and stress and

frustration may be coming from the same Root. The best example I can

give

to explain this concept of the same Root being responsible for

different

symptoms is weight and lack of exercise. The Westerner assumes that

the

gain of weight is coming from the lack of exercise. The TCM healer

considers the possibility that both the weight gain and the lack of

exercising may be coming from the same Root - Qi Deficiency. The

Spleen is

weak, and this is the Root of both the weight gain and the lack of

exercise.

Because the Spleen is weak, the metabolism has been changed in such a

way as

to promote the gain of weight. Because the Spleen - which along with

the

Lungs plays a major role in the body having enough Qi - is weak, the

person

simply does not have the energy to exercise. Forcing the person to

exercise

before the weak Spleen problem and lack of Qi are addressed will

simply make

the underlying Root worse because excessive activity will damage the

Spleen

and weaken it further. (There are also other Roots besides Qi

Deficiency

which show up in cases of obesity.)

 

Another difference between TCM and Western medicine is the concept of

Organs/ organs. Western medicine looks at the anatomical organs, for

example, the kidneys, the liver, the spleen, etc. TCM Organs are

collections of functions. For example the Kidneys include not only

the

kidneys but many of the functions associated with the adrenal glands

in

Western medicine. The Kidneys also " open into the ears " , and unusual

problems with the ears and/or hearing can indicate Kidney imbalance.

So can

pain in the lower back and/or knees. So can problems with the bones

and

teeth. Show me a person whose teeth are bad, and chances are the

person has

a Kidney imbalance.

 

The Spleen involves many of the functions of the pancreas in Western

medicine, and some Western writers will even refer to it as the

Spleen-Pancreas. The Liver " opens into the eyes " , and problems with

the

eyes or vision suggest Liver imbalance. Remember, TCM Organs are

collections of functions. One TCM Organ, the Triple Heater (aka

Triple

Burner, aka Triple Warmer, aka San Jiao) doesn't even exist as an

organ.

But it does exist as a collection of functions. (Has a lot to do

with Fluid

physiology and Qi in the body.)

 

There are Organs and meridians. The meridians (along with the head,

neck, limbs, skin, muscles, and bones) are classified as Exterior.

The Organs (and trunk of the body) are classified as Interior. Right

now, the Exterior/ Interior concept won't mean anything to youm but

it does determine treatment. Pernicious Evils (Heat, Cold, Damp,

Dryness, and Wind) can attack the Exterior from the outside (weather

sensitiviy), and move into the Interior if not treated. Or,

Pernicious Evils can arise in the Interior due to Organ imbalance.

And sometimes, the person is vulnerable to Exterior Pernicious Evils

invading because of an Interior Deficiency, usually Blood and/or Qi

Deficiency.

 

In general, an Exterior condition is not as serious as an Interior

one, and an Exterior condition is easier to treat than an Interior

one. This does not mean that an Exterior condition is not

debilitating and painful. Just ask a person with Painful Obstruction

Syndrome (arthritis).

 

There are some early posts in the message base on Exterior/ Interior

and on the 8 Principal Patterns. The 8 PP is one of the TCM

approaches to analysis of a problem. Is the condition Exterior or

Interior, Excess or Deficiency, Hot or Cold, Yang or Yin in nature?

8 Principal Patterns. (Excess problems are those caused by there

being too much of something - the weather is too hot, the food the

person eats is too cold, Blood Stasis, Qi Stagnation, Phlegm, etc.

Any Blood Stasis, Qi Stagnation, Phlegm is too much. Deficiency

problems are caused by there not being enough of something. The

person lacks enough Qi, lacks enough Blood, lacks enough Yin to cool

and calm and moisten the body correctly, or lacks enough Yang to

warm, activate, and dry the body correctly.)

 

TCM is more sophisticated than Western medicine when it comes to

understanding the mind/ body connection. I'm not being chauvanistic

here, it's true. Different Organs are vulnerable to different

emotions. For example, the Kidneys are very vulnerable to fear (and

also to Cold). The Spleen is very vulnerable to obsessing (and also

to Dampness and Cold as well as over-activity). The Liver is very

vulnerable to anger and frustration (and also to Wind). Anger and

frustration not properly handled can damage the Liver. But once the

Liver is damaged from whatever cause (viral, toxins, trauma, diet,

emotions, etc.), the person is more inclined to feel anger and

frustration. It's a snowballing situation. You mentioned feelings

of frustration. Do you meditate? You may want to start practicing

if you are not already doing so. I call meditation taking a brief

vacation for the Liver.

 

>What I also don't understand is I recently experienced a 'relapse' of

pain in teh area, which cannot be attributed to overuse (I had

acupuncture on wed, did not do any physical activity, and late

thursday

night had acute pain severe enough for me to have to go home from

work..and I sit for a living) and I can't explain why this sudden

recurrence of pain, when the acupuncture has been effective at

controling the pain. I see my acupuncturist again on Monday.

 

Don't wait until Monday. Tell him today. It is understood in TCM

that as imbalances are corrected, the treatment will have to be

changed. What is proper treatment when one first sees the TCM healer

is not necessary proper treatment weeks (or even days or even hours

later). Sometimes one treatment plan will cure the condition, but in

other cases, the treatment will need to be changed as the clinical

picture changes.

 

You may also want to discuss with your healer the possibility of your

doing some acupressure on yourself in addition to his acupuncture

treatments.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

Victoria,

Wow..thank you for that mini dissertation on TCM! It was very helpful,

not to mention fascinating.

I understand the concept of changing treatment plans as treatment

progresses, unfortunately going in before monday isn't an option due to

my work schedule this weekend. I do go in first thing on monday, so for

what thats worth....

In anycase, thank you for the wealth of information..

Are you a student or a practitioner or both? I have found as a law

student, that answering others questions and giving explainations such

as you did here were often helpful to clarify my own understanding of

the concepts.

Anyway, thank you again

Katrina

 

> >which progressed into an acute and chronic medial tibial

> stress syndrome (dx by western and confirmed by well known TCM sports

> injury TCM practitioner)

>

> MTSS is a western diagnosis, not a TCM diagnosis. If a TCM healer

> does not

> also have training and certification/ licensing in Western medicine,

> the TCM

> healer is not allowed to make or confirm a western diagnosis. I

> mention

> this because the differences between western and Chinese medicine are

> so

> great. And sometimes, the western diagnosis can get in the way of

> understanding the TCM diagnosis. An example I use frequently on

> here is

> asthma. There are several different TCM syndromes that can manifest

> as

> breathing problems. The TCM treatment that helps one asthmatic may do

> nothing for a second and may even make a third sicker because each of

> the 3

> have a different Root problem and require different TCM treatments.

>

> >While a lot of what he

> spouted off was TCM terminology I wasn't familiar with, I was able to

> have the nature of the injury and thus subsequent treatment options

> explained to me.

>

> Ask him to write down the TCM diagnosis so you can research it and

> learn

> more about it. In my experience, most Westerners find it easiest to

> learn

> about TCM when they start with the TCM problem(s) they have.

> Otherwise the

> jargon and the underlying concepts of TCM can be overwhelming.

> Actually, TCM

> can seem overwhelming at first even when one knows her or his TCM

> diagnosis

> because the concepts and terminology are so different from Western

> medicine.

>

> >I had never thought to associate my inability to fall asleep issues

> with the injury directly (other than the mental stress and frustration

> of coping with it) until I started to gain a bit of an understanding

> as

> to how TCM works.

>

> They may or may not be related. Did the problems with falling asleep

> start

> before or after the leg problems? There may be more than one TCM

> imbalance.

> On the other hand, the injury and accompanying stress and frustration

> may

> not be the cause of the insomnia. Both the insomnia and stress and

> frustration may be coming from the same Root. The best example I can

> give

> to explain this concept of the same Root being responsible for

> different

> symptoms is weight and lack of exercise. The Westerner assumes that

> the

> gain of weight is coming from the lack of exercise. The TCM healer

> considers the possibility that both the weight gain and the lack of

> exercising may be coming from the same Root - Qi Deficiency. The

> Spleen is

> weak, and this is the Root of both the weight gain and the lack of

> exercise.

> Because the Spleen is weak, the metabolism has been changed in such a

> way as

> to promote the gain of weight. Because the Spleen - which along with

> the

> Lungs plays a major role in the body having enough Qi - is weak, the

> person

> simply does not have the energy to exercise. Forcing the person to

> exercise

> before the weak Spleen problem and lack of Qi are addressed will

> simply make

> the underlying Root worse because excessive activity will damage the

> Spleen

> and weaken it further. (There are also other Roots besides Qi

> Deficiency

> which show up in cases of obesity.)

>

> Another difference between TCM and Western medicine is the concept of

> Organs/ organs. Western medicine looks at the anatomical organs, for

> example, the kidneys, the liver, the spleen, etc. TCM Organs are

> collections of functions. For example the Kidneys include not only

> the

> kidneys but many of the functions associated with the adrenal glands

> in

> Western medicine. The Kidneys also " open into the ears " , and unusual

> problems with the ears and/or hearing can indicate Kidney imbalance.

> So can

> pain in the lower back and/or knees. So can problems with the bones

> and

> teeth. Show me a person whose teeth are bad, and chances are the

> person has

> a Kidney imbalance.

>

> The Spleen involves many of the functions of the pancreas in Western

> medicine, and some Western writers will even refer to it as the

> Spleen-Pancreas. The Liver " opens into the eyes " , and problems with

> the

> eyes or vision suggest Liver imbalance. Remember, TCM Organs are

> collections of functions. One TCM Organ, the Triple Heater (aka

> Triple

> Burner, aka Triple Warmer, aka San Jiao) doesn't even exist as an

> organ.

> But it does exist as a collection of functions. (Has a lot to do

> with Fluid

> physiology and Qi in the body.)

>

> There are Organs and meridians. The meridians (along with the head,

> neck, limbs, skin, muscles, and bones) are classified as Exterior.

> The Organs (and trunk of the body) are classified as Interior. Right

> now, the Exterior/ Interior concept won't mean anything to youm but

> it does determine treatment. Pernicious Evils (Heat, Cold, Damp,

> Dryness, and Wind) can attack the Exterior from the outside (weather

> sensitiviy), and move into the Interior if not treated. Or,

> Pernicious Evils can arise in the Interior due to Organ imbalance.

> And sometimes, the person is vulnerable to Exterior Pernicious Evils

> invading because of an Interior Deficiency, usually Blood and/or Qi

> Deficiency.

>

> In general, an Exterior condition is not as serious as an Interior

> one, and an Exterior condition is easier to treat than an Interior

> one. This does not mean that an Exterior condition is not

> debilitating and painful. Just ask a person with Painful Obstruction

> Syndrome (arthritis).

>

> There are some early posts in the message base on Exterior/ Interior

> and on the 8 Principal Patterns. The 8 PP is one of the TCM

> approaches to analysis of a problem. Is the condition Exterior or

> Interior, Excess or Deficiency, Hot or Cold, Yang or Yin in nature?

> 8 Principal Patterns. (Excess problems are those caused by there

> being too much of something - the weather is too hot, the food the

> person eats is too cold, Blood Stasis, Qi Stagnation, Phlegm, etc.

> Any Blood Stasis, Qi Stagnation, Phlegm is too much. Deficiency

> problems are caused by there not being enough of something. The

> person lacks enough Qi, lacks enough Blood, lacks enough Yin to cool

> and calm and moisten the body correctly, or lacks enough Yang to

> warm, activate, and dry the body correctly.)

>

> TCM is more sophisticated than Western medicine when it comes to

> understanding the mind/ body connection. I'm not being chauvanistic

> here, it's true. Different Organs are vulnerable to different

> emotions. For example, the Kidneys are very vulnerable to fear (and

> also to Cold). The Spleen is very vulnerable to obsessing (and also

> to Dampness and Cold as well as over-activity). The Liver is very

> vulnerable to anger and frustration (and also to Wind). Anger and

> frustration not properly handled can damage the Liver. But once the

> Liver is damaged from whatever cause (viral, toxins, trauma, diet,

> emotions, etc.), the person is more inclined to feel anger and

> frustration. It's a snowballing situation. You mentioned feelings

> of frustration. Do you meditate? You may want to start practicing

> if you are not already doing so. I call meditation taking a brief

> vacation for the Liver.

>

> >What I also don't understand is I recently experienced a 'relapse' of

> pain in teh area, which cannot be attributed to overuse (I had

> acupuncture on wed, did not do any physical activity, and late

> thursday

> night had acute pain severe enough for me to have to go home from

> work..and I sit for a living) and I can't explain why this sudden

> recurrence of pain, when the acupuncture has been effective at

> controling the pain. I see my acupuncturist again on Monday.

>

> Don't wait until Monday. Tell him today. It is understood in TCM

> that as imbalances are corrected, the treatment will have to be

> changed. What is proper treatment when one first sees the TCM healer

> is not necessary proper treatment weeks (or even days or even hours

> later). Sometimes one treatment plan will cure the condition, but in

> other cases, the treatment will need to be changed as the clinical

> picture changes.

>

> You may also want to discuss with your healer the possibility of your

> doing some acupressure on yourself in addition to his acupuncture

> treatments.

>

> Victoria

[Guest guest]

> Are you a student or a practitioner or both?

 

Student and teacher. I began to learn everything I could about TCM

when I got some dramatic help for a long-standing (20+ years) medical

problem (Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome). I'm not cured,

but the longer I stay on TCM treatment and the more I learn, the more

I improve. (The longer someone has been sick, the longer it tends to

take to treat the imbalances.)

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

--- Katrina <khwoodcock wrote: > Victoria,

> ended up with TCM. The practicioner (Matt Callison,

> if you want to look

> him up) also gave the dx of MTSS, overuse injury and

> was very positive

> about recovery with the 2X week treatments.

 

I suggest you stay with him.

 

> While a

> lot of what he

> spouted off was TCM terminology I wasn't familiar

> with,

 

I'm sure he wasn't spouting, and he is perfectly

competent w/ tcm, having apprenticed under traditional

doctors. He also has an MS in sports med or something

similar.

 

<bruising is coming up->

> fierce, which I am told is to be expected and dong

> its job,

 

Deep bruising is a problem b/c most of us have poor

circulation and relatively restricted movement - we

are not supple animals. Therefore any tx which

purports to heal a deep bruise has to bring it up from

the bottom and disperse it on the surface. The process

is similar to burning off a rash. If the stagnant

blood is not brought to the surface it can lead to

many things including 'arthritis'. If a rash is not

burned off, a latent pathogenic factor will remain, to

explode forth next time one is weak.

 

 

Hope this helps in some way,

Hugo

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/30/2003 3:08:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, calypso writes:

 

As you said, people do need different hours of sleep and have different patterns. And who knows if needing more sleep than normal reflects some sub normal metabolic functions. When I was very ill with chronic fatigue, I used to sleep 20 hours in the day and still felt very tired. As I recovered, for a period of time, I only needed 5 ! Now I sleep as much as my body demands. Though whenever I need more sleep than normal these days, I do ask myself 'what's the matter' and try to identify if it is a depressive response to some internal or external events which my mind frequently refuse to recognise.

 

Great points Being extra tired can definitely be a sign something is wrong or simply changing in your body. I hate when I start feeling real tired one week and then pick up again ~ I assume its due to fighting off something trying ot get in, like a cold. I always healed myself through shut eye; colds and flues went fast because I slept SOOO much. Mother, on the other hand, CANNOT sleep when sick. We're all just different.

 

Erin

 

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[Guest guest]

do you exercise at all during the day?? sounds like a cleanse might be in order to rid your body of all the meds that are still in your system. If you have already answered this just overlook my memory...(lol).. but how is your diet? what are you eating, especially in the evening?

SuziTiffany Schaibley <ericandtiffanys wrote:

 

Ok pals! I need some powerful sleep remedies! I have fibromyalgia...and have for a few years. Currently Im doing excellent and Im off all meds and have been for a few months. I feel great...except I cant sleep...at all. I stay asleep once I get there...but getting there is rough. I have been on mnay prescription sleepers for this and only a few work temporarily. I have taken Melatonin at large doses and it has worked at times, but not now. I have taken Valerian, Chamomile, Lemongrass, Lavender....you name it. I have done Reiki, Chakra Clearing, Meditation, listened to water and nature sounds. Im about at the end up my rope. Any suggestions are welcome...

Tiffany

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for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

 

[Guest guest]

Suzi,

 

I am active...I dont have an exercise program persay..but I have two kids under 5...lol! I am pretty active. AS far as meds out of my system...I havent taken any prescription meds in over 2 months. Diet wise, I am a vegetarian. I dont drink alot of caffiene or eat alot of suger. At night I usually have a small snak, sometime popcorn, sometimes raw veggies..sometimes nothing.

 

tiffanySuzanne <suziesgoats wrote:

 

do you exercise at all during the day?? sounds like a cleanse might be in order to rid your body of all the meds that are still in your system. If you have already answered this just overlook my memory...(lol).. but how is your diet? what are you eating, especially in the evening?

SuziTiffany Schaibley <ericandtiffanys wrote:

 

Ok pals! I need some powerful sleep remedies! I have fibromyalgia...and have for a few years. Currently Im doing excellent and Im off all meds and have been for a few months. I feel great...except I cant sleep...at all. I stay asleep once I get there...but getting there is rough. I have been on mnay prescription sleepers for this and only a few work temporarily. I have taken Melatonin at large doses and it has worked at times, but not now. I have taken Valerian, Chamomile, Lemongrass, Lavender....you name it. I have done Reiki, Chakra Clearing, Meditation, listened to water and nature sounds. Im about at the end up my rope. Any suggestions are welcome...

Tiffany

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconveniencedFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible

for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yep 2 kids that will give you exercise... as for the meds... a cleanse would still be good...even a 3 day juice cleanse.... Have you tried a hot bath/shower before retiring?

what vitamins/herbs do you take during the day?

Suzi

Tiffany Schaibley <ericandtiffanys wrote:

 

Suzi,

 

I am active...I dont have an exercise program persay..but I have two kids under 5...lol! I am pretty active. AS far as meds out of my system...I havent taken any prescription meds in over 2 months. Diet wise, I am a vegetarian. I dont drink alot of caffiene or eat alot of suger. At night I usually have a small snak, sometime popcorn, sometimes raw veggies..sometimes nothing.

 

tiffany

 

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[Guest guest]

I am the queen of hot baths...mostly due to my fibromyalgia. As far as what I take now...ummm...

I take a multivitamin once a day

KElp, Lechtin and Vit B6 1-2 times a day

Vit b12 1-2 times a day

Melatonin with B6 500 mcgs...2 tabs at bedtime

Calcium 600mg/Vit D 200IU...2 tabs daily

 

tiffanySuzanne <suziesgoats wrote:

 

Yep 2 kids that will give you exercise... as for the meds... a cleanse would still be good...even a 3 day juice cleanse.... Have you tried a hot bath/shower before retiring?

what vitamins/herbs do you take during the day?

Suzi

Tiffany Schaibley <ericandtiffanys wrote:

 

Suzi,

 

I am active...I dont have an exercise program persay..but I have two kids under 5...lol! I am pretty active. AS far as meds out of my system...I havent taken any prescription meds in over 2 months. Diet wise, I am a vegetarian. I dont drink alot of caffiene or eat alot of suger. At night I usually have a small snak, sometime popcorn, sometimes raw veggies..sometimes nothing.

 

tiffany

 

 

Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

 

[Guest guest]

B vitamins boost metabolism and are essential for increased energy levels and normal brain function. Your melatonin with B might be part of the problem.

How much sleep are you getting? Is it that you aren't sleeping that is the problem or that you are tired the next day from not enough sleep..? I sleep less now that I'm older than I used to ... and seem to require less sleep.

Suzi

Tiffany Schaibley <ericandtiffanys wrote:

 

I am the queen of hot baths...mostly due to my fibromyalgia. As far as what I take now...ummm...

I take a multivitamin once a day

KElp, Lechtin and Vit B6 1-2 times a day

Vit b12 1-2 times a day

Melatonin with B6 500 mcgs...2 tabs at bedtime

Calcium 600mg/Vit D 200IU...2 tabs daily

 

tiffanySuzanne <suziesgoats wrote:

 

Yep 2 kids that will give you exercise... as for the meds... a cleanse would still be good...even a 3 day juice cleanse.... Have you tried a hot bath/shower before retiring?

what vitamins/herbs do you take during the day?

Suzi

Tiffany Schaibley <ericandtiffanys wrote:

 

Suzi,

 

I am active...I dont have an exercise program persay..but I have two kids under 5...lol! I am pretty active. AS far as meds out of my system...I havent taken any prescription meds in over 2 months. Diet wise, I am a vegetarian. I dont drink alot of caffiene or eat alot of suger. At night I usually have a small snak, sometime popcorn, sometimes raw veggies..sometimes nothing.

 

tiffany

 

 

Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

 

[Guest guest]

Doc will correct me if I am wrong....but I think a total cleanse would help you and your fibro...and the sleep.

SuziTiffany Schaibley <ericandtiffanys wrote:

 

Well that sure would be a kick in the butt to think the sleeper Im taking is keeping me awake..lol!

 

I have alot of energy actually. I am sleeping less than 10 hours over a 2-3 day period. I can go 2 days with no sleep at all and then sleep for 4-5 hours and be totally refreshed. The problem is that the more it goes on, the more it kicks up my other fibro symptoms and then I become a mess.

 

tiffanySuzanne <suziesgoats wrote:

 

 

B vitamins boost metabolism and are essential for increased energy levels and normal brain function. Your melatonin with B might be part of the problem.

How much sleep are you getting? Is it that you aren't sleeping that is the problem or that you are tired the next day from not enough sleep..? I sleep less now that I'm older than I used to ... and seem to require less sleep.

Suzi

Tiffany Schaibley <ericandtiffanys wrote:

 

I am the queen of hot baths...mostly due to my fibromyalgia. As far as what I take now...ummm...

I take a multivitamin once a day

KElp, Lechtin and Vit B6 1-2 times a day

Vit b12 1-2 times a day

Melatonin with B6 500 mcgs...2 tabs at bedtime

Calcium 600mg/Vit D 200IU...2 tabs daily

 

tiffanySuzanne <suziesgoats wrote:

 

Yep 2 kids that will give you exercise... as for the meds... a cleanse would still be good...even a 3 day juice cleanse.... Have you tried a hot bath/shower before retiring?

what vitamins/herbs do you take during the day?

Suzi

Tiffany Schaibley <ericandtiffanys wrote:

 

Suzi,

 

I am active...I dont have an exercise program persay..but I have two kids under 5...lol! I am pretty active. AS far as meds out of my system...I havent taken any prescription meds in over 2 months. Diet wise, I am a vegetarian. I dont drink alot of caffiene or eat alot of suger. At night I usually have a small snak, sometime popcorn, sometimes raw veggies..sometimes nothing.

 

tiffany

 

 

Photos - Get your photo on the big screen in Times Square Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

 

[Guest guest]

Tiffany,

 

This may sound too simple, but it worked for me. Try this juice mix and see if it helps, If it does, let me know and I will send more information.

 

2 handfulls of carrots

1 lemon

2 apples

1 large potatoe (peeled)

1 stalk of celerey

 

Juice above items and add the following ingredients

 

1/4 cup natural honey

1/4 teaspoon natural salt

1 pinch of cayenne

 

mix well and chug-a-lug, don't let it sit to long, you have to dring it all including the sediment.

 

Regards,

ken

 

 

 

-

Tiffany Schaibley

herbal remedies

Monday, December 29, 2003 1:20 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] Sleep

 

Suzi,

 

I am active...I dont have an exercise program persay..but I have two kids under 5...lol! I am pretty active. AS far as meds out of my system...I havent taken any prescription meds in over 2 months. Diet wise, I am a vegetarian. I dont drink alot of caffiene or eat alot of suger. At night I usually have a small snak, sometime popcorn, sometimes raw veggies..sometimes nothing.

 

tiffanySuzanne <suziesgoats wrote:

 

do you exercise at all during the day?? sounds like a cleanse might be in order to rid your body of all the meds that are still in your system. If you have already answered this just overlook my memory...(lol).. but how is your diet? what are you eating, especially in the evening?

SuziTiffany Schaibley <ericandtiffanys wrote:

 

Ok pals! I need some powerful sleep remedies! I have fibromyalgia...and have for a few years. Currently Im doing excellent and Im off all meds and have been for a few months. I feel great...except I cant sleep...at all. I stay asleep once I get there...but getting there is rough. I have been on mnay prescription sleepers for this and only a few work temporarily. I have taken Melatonin at large doses and it has worked at times, but not now. I have taken Valerian, Chamomile, Lemongrass, Lavender....you name it. I have done Reiki, Chakra Clearing, Meditation, listened to water and nature sounds. Im about at the end up my rope. Any suggestions are welcome...

Tiffany

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[Guest guest]

Tiffany,

 

I worked this out for myself, I would guess that yes the food processor should work except that this will produce a large quantity of fiber, LOL. I always took mine for breakfast, It almost instantly removed my pain or at least nearly removed it. By the way this is also helpful for joint pain.

 

Do you take milk thistle to protect your liver from medications?

 

Regards,Ken

 

"Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held it's ground"

 

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Tiffany Schaibley

herbal remedies

Monday, December 29, 2003 4:04 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] Sleep

 

thanks ken...this will require a visit to the grocery store. Where did you come up with this? I dont have a juicer...can I just put them in the food processor and let it go? How soon before sleep should I take it?Atnip <catnip wrote:

Tiffany,

 

This may sound too simple, but it worked for me. Try this juice mix and see if it helps, If it does, let me know and I will send more information.

 

2 handfulls of carrots

1 lemon

2 apples

1 large potatoe (peeled)

1 stalk of celerey

 

Juice above items and add the following ingredients

 

1/4 cup natural honey

1/4 teaspoon natural salt

1 pinch of cayenne

 

mix well and chug-a-lug, don't let it sit to long, you have to dring it all including the sediment.

 

Regards,

ken

 

 

 

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Tiffany Schaibley

herbal remedies

Monday, December 29, 2003 1:20 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] Sleep

 

Suzi,

 

I am active...I dont have an exercise program persay..but I have two kids under 5...lol! I am pretty active. AS far as meds out of my system...I havent taken any prescription meds in over 2 months. Diet wise, I am a vegetarian. I dont drink alot of caffiene or eat alot of suger. At night I usually have a small snak, sometime popcorn, sometimes raw veggies..sometimes nothing.

 

tiffanySuzanne <suziesgoats wrote:

 

do you exercise at all during the day?? sounds like a cleanse might be in order to rid your body of all the meds that are still in your system. If you have already answered this just overlook my memory...(lol).. but how is your diet? what are you eating, especially in the evening?

SuziTiffany Schaibley <ericandtiffanys wrote:

 

Ok pals! I need some powerful sleep remedies! I have fibromyalgia...and have for a few years. Currently Im doing excellent and Im off all meds and have been for a few months. I feel great...except I cant sleep...at all. I stay asleep once I get there...but getting there is rough. I have been on mnay prescription sleepers for this and only a few work temporarily. I have taken Melatonin at large doses and it has worked at times, but not now. I have taken Valerian, Chamomile, Lemongrass, Lavender....you name it. I have done Reiki, Chakra Clearing, Meditation, listened to water and nature sounds. Im about at the end up my rope. Any suggestions are welcome...

Tiffany

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconveniencedFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington