Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I have to admit I don't remember ever hearing about this organization. I am totally lost now about whether we are or are not allowed to offer critiques and opinions about organizations. I think " facts " should be OK, as Marcia said. http://www.ifparoma.org/aboutus.php My question is how are their educational standards as compared to NAHA' and AIA's? Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 This organisation was set up as a merger of the old ISPA and the RQA I think it was. The prime movers of that merger used every dirty trick in the book to try and get the IFA into their snare as well, but failed. I have no respect for that organisation no matter how good or bad they are now. There is a touch of the history on my new site online yesterday. http://www.herbal-practitioners.co.uk Martin ATFE , " SUSAN " <sueapito wrote: > > I have to admit I don't remember ever hearing about this organization. > > I am totally lost now about whether we are or are not allowed to offer critiques and opinions about organizations. I think " facts " should be OK, as Marcia said. > > http://www.ifparoma.org/aboutus.php > > My question is how are their educational standards as compared to NAHA' and AIA's? > > Sue > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I believe moderator Liz is a member of IFPA, unless she has left the group. Maybe she can shed some light. All my best, http://NaturalPerfumers.com on FB http://bit.ly/iamja Guild on FB http://bit.ly/1jP5lB Martin wrote: > This organisation was set up as a merger of the old ISPA and the RQA I think it was. The prime movers of that merger used every dirty trick in the book to try and get the IFA into their snare as well, but failed. I have no respect for that organisation no matter how good or bad they are now. There is a touch of the history on my new site online yesterday. > > http://www.herbal-practitioners.co.uk > > Martin > > ATFE , " SUSAN " <sueapito wrote: > >> I have to admit I don't remember ever hearing about this organization. >> >> I am totally lost now about whether we are or are not allowed to offer critiques and opinions about organizations. I think " facts " should be OK, as Marcia said. >> >> http://www.ifparoma.org/aboutus.php >> >> My question is how are their educational standards as compared to NAHA' and AIA's? >> >> Sue >> >> > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 IFPA is an amalgamation of the ISPA & RQA. IFA were originally part of the proposed amalgamation but pulled out at the last minute. As a former member of the IFPA committee - who had full access to ALL the negotiations details that occurred before I joined the committee - I can confirm there were no dirty dealings or underhand motivations AT ALL. The only motivation was to form one United Aromatherapy Organisation to represent practicing Aromatherapists. Simple fact. Further, I deeply resent the implication that I or my former fellow IFPA committee members were part of any conspiracy or underhand dealings. Please do not disrupt this list with this type of unsubstantiated allegations again, I think we have had quite enough of this kind of thing over the past weeks. Thank you. Liz. On 25 February 2010 11:09, Martin <aromamedical wrote: > > > This organisation was set up as a merger of the old ISPA and the RQA I > think it was. The prime movers of that merger used every dirty trick in the > book to try and get the IFA into their snare as well, but failed. I have no > respect for that organisation no matter how good or bad they are now. There > is a touch of the history on my new site online yesterday. > > http://www.herbal-practitioners.co.uk > > Martin > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I back Liz on her contention that there is too much fingerpointing on this list - all from one person. When I look at the photos of the folks in these different organizations, even with me being a skeptic sometimes, I refuse to believe they're all " con artists " or the other nasty names that have been used to besmirch them. They just look like regular folk who have come together to work on a passion they have, some may be screwups (as with any group), but most are just forging ahead, trying to do good. Period. If Martin thinks his snarky remarks on a tiny hidden-corner-of-the-Internet list have any bearing, well, Martin, maybe - but it is tiny, and I think some of us have learned to tune you out because of your attacks. They just never stop, and they're always ill-worded and personal. Perhaps your website gets thousands of hits, and you can influence people, but I doubt it. I'm guessing more like 100-300 per month who maybe move on quickly when they see it's just a crap-slinging fest. That's just my opinion. It just seems like a one-person vendetta against anybody that doesn't fall into a narrow definition made by - that one person. A good thing to remember: > Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting > different results. > Albert Einstein All my best, http://NaturalPerfumers.com 1900+ member Natural Perfumery Group Liz wrote: > Please do not disrupt this list with this type of unsubstantiated > allegations again, I think we have had quite enough of this kind of thing > over the past weeks. > Thank you. > > Liz. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Would you like the copies of legal letters from/to the IFA over the failed merger; forced resignation of IFA chairperson; lawyers involved; the fact that the 3 founders of the IFPA set up a private limited company BEFORE the membership of the IFA agreed to a merger? The fact that the members of the proposed merger held a meeting at Parliament as if the whole thing was a done deal when it was far from it. I have it all including copies of expense claims, etc. etc. Martin ATFE , Liz <liztams wrote: > > IFPA is an amalgamation of the ISPA & RQA. IFA were originally part of the > proposed amalgamation but pulled out at the last minute. As a former member > of the IFPA committee - who had full access to ALL the negotiations details > that occurred before I joined the committee - I can confirm there were no > dirty dealings or underhand motivations AT ALL. > The only motivation was to form one United Aromatherapy Organisation to > represent practicing Aromatherapists. Simple fact. > > Further, I deeply resent the implication that I or my former fellow IFPA > committee members were part of any conspiracy or underhand dealings. > > Please do not disrupt this list with this type of unsubstantiated > allegations again, I think we have had quite enough of this kind of thing > over the past weeks. > Thank you. > > Liz. > > > > On 25 February 2010 11:09, Martin <aromamedical wrote: > > > > > > > This organisation was set up as a merger of the old ISPA and the RQA I > > think it was. The prime movers of that merger used every dirty trick in the > > book to try and get the IFA into their snare as well, but failed. I have no > > respect for that organisation no matter how good or bad they are now. There > > is a touch of the history on my new site online yesterday. > > > > http://www.herbal-practitioners.co.uk > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 No thank you - I've seen them. As I said this is not the place for this - now 10 year old - discussion. Period. Liz On 25 February 2010 17:13, Martin <aromamedical wrote: > > > Would you like the copies of legal letters from/to the IFA over the failed > merger; forced resignation of IFA chairperson; lawyers involved; the fact > that the 3 founders of the IFPA set up a private limited company BEFORE the > membership of the IFA agreed to a merger? The fact that the members of the > proposed merger held a meeting at Parliament as if the whole thing was a > done deal when it was far from it. I have it all including copies of expense > claims, etc. etc. > > Martin > > ATFE <ATFE%40>, Liz <liztams > wrote: > > > > IFPA is an amalgamation of the ISPA & RQA. IFA were originally part of > the > > proposed amalgamation but pulled out at the last minute. As a former > member > > of the IFPA committee - who had full access to ALL the negotiations > details > > that occurred before I joined the committee - I can confirm there were no > > dirty dealings or underhand motivations AT ALL. > > The only motivation was to form one United Aromatherapy Organisation to > > represent practicing Aromatherapists. Simple fact. > > > > Further, I deeply resent the implication that I or my former fellow IFPA > > committee members were part of any conspiracy or underhand dealings. > > > > Please do not disrupt this list with this type of unsubstantiated > > allegations again, I think we have had quite enough of this kind of thing > > over the past weeks. > > Thank you. > > > > Liz. > > > > > > > > On 25 February 2010 11:09, Martin <aromamedical wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > This organisation was set up as a merger of the old ISPA and the RQA I > > > think it was. The prime movers of that merger used every dirty trick in > the > > > book to try and get the IFA into their snare as well, but failed. I > have no > > > respect for that organisation no matter how good or bad they are now. > There > > > is a touch of the history on my new site online yesterday. > > > > > > http://www.herbal-practitioners.co.uk > > > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 > IFPA is an amalgamation of the ISPA & RQA. > The only motivation was to form one United Aromatherapy Organisation to represent practicing Aromatherapists. Simple fact.< I ask, because I have a friend who recently had an extremely serious situation with an IFPA " approved " or recommended, not sure about the term, school in New Zealand and wanted to help her by finding out what the IFPA proceedures are for filing a legal complaint. This situation will most likely also go to court, if she doesn't lose her VISA first, since she moved to that country from the USA specficially to study at this school specifically because of what she believed was vetting done by the IFPA. Now she is stuck in a foreign country, all the money she spent on years of education down the toilet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I do believe that the IFPA has a *contact us* email link on their web site. I wonder why your friend does not use this. Your initial question was about education standards and I fail completely to see how that is related to IFPA procedures for filing a legal complaint. This list has nothing whatsoever to do with AT orgs, slamming suppliers or AT schools. I personally find taking a complaint to the the person/organisation concerned to be far more effective way of dealing with a problem than than making vague second hand accusations on an email list. Here are the contact details taken from the IFPA web site : I suggest your *friend* uses it. IFPA 82 Ashby Road Hinckley Leicestershire LE10 1SN Telephone: o1455 637987 Fax: 01455 890956 E-mail: *admin* <admin Website: *www.ifparoma.org* <http://www.ifparoma.org/> On 25 February 2010 22:04, SUSAN <sueapito wrote: > > > > IFPA is an amalgamation of the ISPA & RQA. > > > The only motivation was to form one United Aromatherapy Organisation to > represent practicing Aromatherapists. Simple fact.< > > I ask, because I have a friend who recently had an extremely serious > situation with an IFPA " approved " or recommended, not sure about the term, > school in New Zealand and wanted to help her by finding out what the IFPA > proceedures are for filing a legal complaint. This situation will most > likely also go to court, if she doesn't lose her VISA first, since she moved > to that country from the USA specficially to study at this school > specifically because of what she believed was vetting done by the IFPA. Now > she is stuck in a foreign country, all the money she spent on years of > education down the toilet. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 > This list has nothing whatsoever to do with AT orgs, slamming suppliers or AT schools. I personally find taking a complaint to the the person/organisation concerned to be far more effective way of dealing with a problem than than making vague second hand accusations on an email list.< Asking professional aromatherapists who may be affiliated with an organization for advice as far as how to best accomplish filing a complaint is HARDLY the same thing as " making vague second hand accusations. " I have a profession, and if my peers asked my advice, I wouldn't chastize them for asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 Susan, I know the school are talking about, she is a good friend of mine, and this is not the place, thank you On 26/02/2010, at 11:04 AM, SUSAN wrote: > > IFPA is an amalgamation of the ISPA & RQA. > > > The only motivation was to form one United Aromatherapy Organisation to represent practicing Aromatherapists. Simple fact.< > > I ask, because I have a friend who recently had an extremely serious situation with an IFPA " approved " or recommended, not sure about the term, school in New Zealand and wanted to help her by finding out what the IFPA proceedures are for filing a legal complaint. This situation will most likely also go to court, if she doesn't lose her VISA first, since she moved to that country from the USA specficially to study at this school specifically because of what she believed was vetting done by the IFPA. Now she is stuck in a foreign country, all the money she spent on years of education down the toilet. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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