Geranium, Geranium Bourbon, and Geranium rose, nomenclature?

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I am utterly confused with the nomenclature of Geranium and Geranium Bourbon.

Rose Geranium as Pelargonium roseum seems a clear name for me.

 

Should the commonly referred 'Geranium' is Pelargonium asperum? Geranium Bourbon

is Pelargonium graveolens (I understand it also has common name as rose

geranium)?

 

I saw people use the other way around, like Geranium Bourbon refers to

Pelargonium asperum, and Geranium refers to Pelargonium graveolens. What

exactly Geranium refer to?

 

TIA

 

Bing

Madison, WI

[Guest guest]

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ATFE [ATFE ] On Behalf Of

bma.virulence

Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:39 AM

ATFE

Geranium, Geranium Bourbon, and Geranium rose, nomenclature?

 

 

 

 

I am utterly confused with the nomenclature of Geranium and Geranium

Bourbon. Rose Geranium as Pelargonium roseum seems a clear name for me.

 

Should the commonly referred 'Geranium' is Pelargonium asperum? Geranium

Bourbon is Pelargonium graveolens (I understand it also has common name as

rose geranium)?

 

I saw people use the other way around, like Geranium Bourbon refers to

Pelargonium asperum, and Geranium refers to Pelargonium graveolens. What

exactly Geranium refer to?

 

TIA

 

Bing

Madison, WI

[Guest guest]

ATFE [ATFE ] On Behalf Of Marcia

Elston

Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:41 PM

ATFE

RE: Geranium, Geranium Bourbon, and Geranium rose,

nomenclature?

 

I'm working on a more detailed paper on this very issue, which I will share

when complete. In the short term, however, most all geranium or rose

geranium essential oil is produced from Pelargonium graveolens or hybrids

from P. graveolens with the exception of Geranium Bourbon. (P. graveolens

is native to S. Africa.) Geranium Bourbon (Pelargonium capitatum)

originally came from the island of Reunion (around 1870) which is about 500

miles from Madagascar. P. capitatum is reportedly a hybrid named the " rose

cultivar " . These hybrids are named Pelargonium x asperum Ehrh. Ex Wildenow

after H.E. Moore. However, genuine Reunion Bourbon is virtually

unobtainable (production under 50 kilos annually) and many sources say most

of the so-called Bourbons come from neighboring Madagascar.

 

N. Africa is a principal producer and includes the countries Morocco,

Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt. Most of the plant stock for N. African development

came from Grasse from P. graveloens or its hybrids; the French oil produced

around Grass having the most rosaceous odor of all. There is also some

production in the Belgian Congo (Urundi region). I am still weeding my way

through P capitatum, P. crispum and many others, however, it appears a

conclusion that P. roseum is classified as a synonym to P. graveolens. The

main difference between the Madagascar, Chinese and Egyptian oils seems to

be their sesquiterpene content. So far I don't find P. asperum at all, so

you've given me a new botanical to include. In the garden, there are many

species, however, these are not primary to essential oil production.

 

Hope this helps in the short term.

 

Be Well,

Marcia Elston, Samara Botane/Nature Intelligence

http://www.wingedseed.com

http://www.wingedseed.blogspot.com

http://www.aromaconnection.org

" We make a living by what we get. We make a life by what we give. " - Winston

Churchill

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[ATFE <ATFE%40> ] On Behalf Of

bma.virulence

Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:39 AM

ATFE <ATFE%40>

Geranium, Geranium Bourbon, and Geranium rose, nomenclature?

 

I am utterly confused with the nomenclature of Geranium and Geranium

Bourbon. Rose Geranium as Pelargonium roseum seems a clear name for me.

 

Should the commonly referred 'Geranium' is Pelargonium asperum? Geranium

Bourbon is Pelargonium graveolens (I understand it also has common name as

rose geranium)?

 

I saw people use the other way around, like Geranium Bourbon refers to

Pelargonium asperum, and Geranium refers to Pelargonium graveolens. What

exactly Geranium refer to?

 

TIA

 

Bing

Madison, WI

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much Marcia, this is greatly helpful. I am very looking forward

to your article. This is the name that not only me, but most of the people

are really confused about. It seems I got the impression of the naming of

Geranium and Pelargonium asperum from Oshadhi and NewDirect.

 

http://www.oshadhi.co.uk/ecom-catshow/geranium.html

<http://www.oshadhi.co.uk/ecom-catshow/geranium.html>

http://www.newdirectionsaromatics.com/geranium-bourbon-essential-oil-p-251.html

 

Thanks again,

Bing

 

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Marcia Elston <Marciawrote:

 

>

>

>

>

> ATFE <ATFE%40> [

> ATFE <ATFE%40>] On Behalf Of Marcia

> Elston

> Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:41 PM

> ATFE <ATFE%40>

> RE: Geranium, Geranium Bourbon, and Geranium rose,

> nomenclature?

>

> I'm working on a more detailed paper on this very issue, which I will share

> when complete. In the short term, however, most all geranium or rose

> geranium essential oil is produced from Pelargonium graveolens or hybrids

> from P. graveolens with the exception of Geranium Bourbon. (P. graveolens

> is native to S. Africa.) Geranium Bourbon (Pelargonium capitatum)

> originally came from the island of Reunion (around 1870) which is about 500

> miles from Madagascar. P. capitatum is reportedly a hybrid named the " rose

> cultivar " . These hybrids are named Pelargonium x asperum Ehrh. Ex Wildenow

> after H.E. Moore. However, genuine Reunion Bourbon is virtually

> unobtainable (production under 50 kilos annually) and many sources say most

> of the so-called Bourbons come from neighboring Madagascar.

>

> N. Africa is a principal producer and includes the countries Morocco,

> Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt. Most of the plant stock for N. African development

> came from Grasse from P. graveloens or its hybrids; the French oil produced

> around Grass having the most rosaceous odor of all. There is also some

> production in the Belgian Congo (Urundi region). I am still weeding my way

> through P capitatum, P. crispum and many others, however, it appears a

> conclusion that P. roseum is classified as a synonym to P. graveolens. The

> main difference between the Madagascar, Chinese and Egyptian oils seems to

> be their sesquiterpene content. So far I don't find P. asperum at all, so

> you've given me a new botanical to include. In the garden, there are many

> species, however, these are not primary to essential oil production.

>

> Hope this helps in the short term.

>

> Be Well,

> Marcia Elston, Samara Botane/Nature Intelligence

> http://www.wingedseed.com

> http://www.wingedseed.blogspot.com

> http://www.aromaconnection.org

> " We make a living by what we get. We make a life by what we give. " -

> Winston

> Churchill

>

> ________________________________

>

> ATFE <ATFE%40> <

> ATFE%40 <ATFE%2540>>

> [ATFE <ATFE%40> <

> ATFE%40 <ATFE%2540>> ] On Behalf Of

>

> bma.virulence

> Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:39 AM

> ATFE <ATFE%40> <

> ATFE%40 <ATFE%2540>>

> Geranium, Geranium Bourbon, and Geranium rose,

> nomenclature?

>

> I am utterly confused with the nomenclature of Geranium and Geranium

> Bourbon. Rose Geranium as Pelargonium roseum seems a clear name for me.

>

> Should the commonly referred 'Geranium' is Pelargonium asperum? Geranium

> Bourbon is Pelargonium graveolens (I understand it also has common name as

> rose geranium)?

>

> I saw people use the other way around, like Geranium Bourbon refers to

> Pelargonium asperum, and Geranium refers to Pelargonium graveolens. What

> exactly Geranium refer to?

>

> TIA

>

> Bing

> Madison, WI

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

See the article on my site over Latin names for essential oils. Most of them are

far from being accurate. Pelargoniums for essential oil production are so

hybridised that no one knows their true names anymore. I used to know Maria Liz

Balchin who was an expert on these and she grew dozens of varieties and did vast

amounts of research. Seems the only " true " variety is from South Africa and

that wild one has a unique chemical composition. I suppose it's a bit like

trying to get an accurate botanical name for a modern carrot.

 

Martin

http://www.aromamedical.com

http://www.aromamedical.org

 

ATFE , " bma.virulence " <bma.virulence wrote:

>

> I am utterly confused with the nomenclature of Geranium and Geranium Bourbon.

Rose Geranium as Pelargonium roseum seems a clear name for me.

>

> Should the commonly referred 'Geranium' is Pelargonium asperum? Geranium

Bourbon is Pelargonium graveolens (I understand it also has common name as rose

geranium)?

>

> I saw people use the other way around, like Geranium Bourbon refers to

Pelargonium asperum, and Geranium refers to Pelargonium graveolens. What

exactly Geranium refer to?

>

> TIA

>

> Bing

> Madison, WI

>