Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Okay. After a long, difficult conversation with a young YL devotee fresh from their National Convention, I need two things: The book you'd most recommend to a beginner in aromatherapy, to help challenge her Essential Oils Desk Reference and David Stewart dependence; Any especially great information discrediting Gary Young/YL (Quackwatch, Mr. Watt's 1997 files, and the White Paper on Raindrop have already been identified.) She's just so very earnest. I know many of you don't want to enter the fray; please don't, just hand me some links and titles if you have 'em handy. I did a lot of searching on old messages and didn't see anything quite like this, so I decided to pipe up and just ask. Thanks in advance! Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 I've not familiarized myself with YL's publications et al.....and I am CERTAINLY wet behind the ears compared to many others on here....but what about a resource such as the Price's Aromatherapy for Health Professionals? It wouldn't necessarily be riveting reading to sway the converted--but it might carry some weight for your friend in regards to it discussing use within the NHS in the UK? I cannot recall the author currently (and it's likely one of the many " aromanovels " as Martin has labeled them), but I believe it was Holistic Aromatherapy that made a statement that one drop EO can be as powerful as 25 herbal infusions (cups o' tea). I've not cross-referenced that--but I have stated it in some of my client education bits to convey the need for caution and safety on their part with EOs. (It's stated similar to how I stated it here, that a reference I've come across said blah, blah, blah). None of this 'discredits' YL, but at least the AT for Health Professionals has safety info (which is a HUGE sticking point for the anti-YL debate) and their EO profiles towards the back of the book are compiled from various sources. My preference would be to have them read a variety of AT books, but alas.... Best of luck! Jessica, NC Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 OK from some of what I remember: ANYTHING you say will be discredited, they are brain washed already (esp. if they attend the mass hysteria of the convention) and they already have an answer for any complaint (its in their training)- until they learn to sort the wheat from the chaff for themselves instead of following like sheep, or see GY for who he is and what it is (MLM) they wont listen to anything you say. Shirley Prices " novel " will be discredited as the " English method " which doesn't use massive amounts of oil like they do (sells more)....any criticism has already been dismissed as us being jealous. I do remember looking at some of their " scientific evidence " in the EO book they publish themselves, and many of those are extrapolated from food studies, e.g. rosemary being found anti-oxidant in food preservation, minute amount mind you, now becomes an anti-oxidant for the body, you can take massive doses to 'oxygenate' the body, etc, etc. or the statement that since oils contain oxygenated molecules (CHO) they can release this in the body, etc, etc.....I always thought we got oxygen from breathing?? If you could have them look critically at some of the claims, think realistically and look at the " evidence " or testimonials they claim (many which have been exposed, along with GY himself on the pages mentioned earlier) anyone with some sense could see through it all. If you get a chance to read Stewarts newsletter, its full of how to get around the law (many have been visited for practicing without license, etc) and answers for complaints.....so they are well armed and full of their own belief. You may just have to wait till she comes around Sylla - familymassage ATFE Monday, September 28, 2009 8:15 AM Re: help. I've not familiarized myself with YL's publications et al.....and I am CERTAINLY wet behind the ears compared to many others on here....but what about a resource such as the Price's Aromatherapy for Health Professionals? It wouldn't necessarily be riveting reading to sway the converted--but it might carry some weight for your friend in regards to it discussing use within the NHS in the UK? I cannot recall the author currently (and it's likely one of the many " aromanovels " as Martin has labeled them), but I believe it was Holistic Aromatherapy that made a statement that one drop EO can be as powerful as 25 herbal infusions (cups o' tea). I've not cross-referenced that--but I have stated it in some of my client education bits to convey the need for caution and safety on their part with EOs. (It's stated similar to how I stated it here, that a reference I've come across said blah, blah, blah). None of this 'discredits' YL, but at least the AT for Health Professionals has safety info (which is a HUGE sticking point for the anti-YL debate) and their EO profiles towards the back of the book are compiled from various sources. My preference would be to have them read a variety of AT books, but alas.... Best of luck! Jessica, NC Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Thanks, Sylla. I used to work for a church for college students and remember the unbelievable influence of attending a convention. I'm not sure this is the best time to discuss this with her, but she approached me, so here we go. Kim On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Sylla S. Hanger <syllawrote: > OK from some of what I remember: ANYTHING you say will be discredited, they > are brain washed already (esp. if they attend the mass hysteria of the > convention) and they already have an answer for any complaint (its in their > training)- until they learn to sort the wheat from the chaff for themselves > instead of following like sheep, or see GY for who he is and what it is > (MLM) they wont listen to anything you say. Shirley Prices " novel " will be > discredited as the " English method " which doesn't use massive amounts of oil > like they do (sells more)....any criticism has already been dismissed as us > being jealous. > > I do remember looking at some of their " scientific evidence " in the EO book > they publish themselves, and many of those are extrapolated from food > studies, e.g. rosemary being found anti-oxidant in food preservation, minute > amount mind you, now becomes an anti-oxidant for the body, you can take > massive doses to 'oxygenate' the body, etc, etc. or the statement that since > oils contain oxygenated molecules (CHO) they can release this in the body, > etc, etc.....I always thought we got oxygen from breathing?? > > If you could have them look critically at some of the claims, think > realistically and look at the " evidence " or testimonials they claim (many > which have been exposed, along with GY himself on the pages mentioned > earlier) anyone with some sense could see through it all. If you get a > chance to read Stewarts newsletter, its full of how to get around the law > (many have been visited for practicing without license, etc) and answers for > complaints.....so they are well armed and full of their own belief. You may > just have to wait till she comes around > > Sylla > > > > - > familymassage > ATFE > Monday, September 28, 2009 8:15 AM > Re: help. > > > I've not familiarized myself with YL's publications et al.....and I am > CERTAINLY wet behind the ears compared to many others on here....but what > about a resource such as the Price's Aromatherapy for Health Professionals? > It wouldn't necessarily be riveting reading to sway the converted--but it > might carry some weight for your friend in regards to it discussing use > within the NHS in the UK? > > I cannot recall the author currently (and it's likely one of the many > " aromanovels " as Martin has labeled them), but I believe it was Holistic > Aromatherapy that made a statement that one drop EO can be as powerful as 25 > herbal infusions (cups o' tea). I've not cross-referenced that--but I have > stated it in some of my client education bits to convey the need for caution > and safety on their part with EOs. (It's stated similar to how I stated it > here, that a reference I've come across said blah, blah, blah). > > None of this 'discredits' YL, but at least the AT for Health Professionals > has safety info (which is a HUGE sticking point for the anti-YL debate) and > their EO profiles towards the back of the book are compiled from various > sources. > > My preference would be to have them read a variety of AT books, but > alas.... > > Best of luck! > Jessica, NC > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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