Guest guest Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Where I live in a country village we have idiots who keep 3 dogs in a small house, let them crap all over the place, and then wonder why they get skin problems and spend a fortune on vet bills. > > Martin I just had to post this, love that Martin, ;)Want to raz him a bit, all very fondly:) I give my cats a feline probiotic from Natren after they have been given antibiotics for veterinary procedures (which is rarely) as I believe the veterinary antibiotic kills the good and bad bacteria in a cat's intestines, my vet and I agree on this subject, she does not sell it and leaves it to the pet owner's discretion.. Mine are 100% indoor cats (2), they don't get the pleasure of dodging cars, eating ?, trying to outrace the local foxes and mountain lions and the many other hazards found in the Sierra Nevadas. My cats must go through a portal to the house attached cat room,4x8enclosed and solid from floor up 4 feet (so other animals cannot spit or scratch at them,high sides keep most vermin out nothing big enough for rattlers,etc. exposure to feral cats which can spread disease and to keep out rain)then screen on the non storm sides, and of course a roof so they don't get wet. With ample room for 2 litterboxes on linoleum covered floor that get cleaned daily and are filled with swheatscoop, made from wheat, not clay), 2x8 16 " wide shelving for sunning and looking out and of course a carpeted combination scratching post/stool to get on first shelf of shelving both wide enough to sun and one shelf even has a round little cloth nest. And of course it gets vacummed and swept often. Because room is kept clean essential oils are not used to keep it fresh and odor free. And contrary to MLM's (we know who they are, appears we have a new company joining the mlm game) I do not use oils in or on my cats in any form.! And when I take in my cats for routine exams, my vet cuddles and exclaims they always smell so fresh and clean. No Martin, they have to bathe themselves,LOL, I only brush them and of course my long hair cat gets his ventral shave every spring for the hot summer!!!! They have a room with a view to watch all the wildlife; the deer that live under the porch, the foxes that stroll by, the fun squirrels that run along the railing of the deck and tease the cats and all the many birds that know my cats can't get them. So far I have been lucky wildlife fleas and ticks haven't found my cats. Bonkers, Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 > They have a room with a view to watch all the wildlife; Your poor cats are doing a jail term with no appeal. Let em out to chase the local squirrels and birds. If a fox manages to grab one, then that's life. >exposure to feral cats which can spread disease Of course, it's called natural selection and is what keeps a whole species healthy. By keeping any creatures - including us - away from bugs it over time weakens the immune system as none exposure to sinister bugs can cause whole populations to be wiped out when something nasty comes along. Martin ATFE2 , " cortaderia_1999 " <cortaderia_1999 wrote: > > Where I live in a country village we have idiots who keep 3 dogs in a small house, let them crap all over the place, and then wonder why they get skin problems and spend a fortune on vet bills. > > > > Martin > > I just had to post this, love that Martin, ;)Want to raz him a bit, all very fondly:) > > I give my cats a feline probiotic from Natren after they have been given antibiotics for veterinary procedures (which is rarely) as I believe the veterinary antibiotic kills the good and bad bacteria in a cat's intestines, my vet and I agree on this subject, she does not sell it and leaves it to the pet owner's discretion.. Mine are 100% indoor cats (2), they don't get the pleasure of dodging cars, eating ?, trying to outrace the local foxes and mountain lions and the many other hazards found in the Sierra Nevadas. > > My cats must go through a portal to the house attached cat room,4x8enclosed and solid from floor up 4 feet (so other animals cannot spit or scratch at them,high sides keep most vermin out nothing big enough for rattlers,etc. exposure to feral cats which can spread disease and to keep out rain)then screen on the non storm sides, and of course a roof so they don't get wet. With ample room for 2 litterboxes on linoleum covered floor that get cleaned daily and are filled with swheatscoop, made from wheat, not clay), 2x8 16 " wide shelving for sunning and looking out and of course a carpeted combination scratching post/stool to get on first shelf of shelving both wide enough to sun and one shelf even has a round little cloth nest. And of course it gets vacummed and swept often. > > Because room is kept clean essential oils are not used to keep it fresh and odor free. And contrary to MLM's (we know who they are, appears we have a new company joining the mlm game) I do not use oils in or on my cats in any form.! And when I take in my cats for routine exams, my vet cuddles and exclaims they always smell so fresh and clean. > > No Martin, they have to bathe themselves,LOL, I only brush them and of course my long hair cat gets his ventral shave every spring for the hot summer!!!! > > They have a room with a view to watch all the wildlife; the deer that live under the porch, the foxes that stroll by, the fun squirrels that run along the railing of the deck and tease the cats and all the many birds that know my cats can't get them. So far I have been lucky wildlife fleas and ticks haven't found my cats. > > Bonkers, > Sue > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 ATFE2 , " Martin Watt " <aromamedical wrote: > > > They have a room with a view to watch all the wildlife; > Your poor cats are doing a jail term with no appeal. Let em out to chase the local squirrels and birds. If a fox manages to grab one, then that's life. > > >exposure to feral cats which can spread disease > Of course, it's called natural selection and is what keeps a whole species healthy. LOL Martin, Yes, my cats will never parole the foxes will have to catch other food and since both my cats are fixed and robust, I won't have to worry about kittens having natural immunity or which cat nature will select. Fondly, Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 I have a funny story about one and only cat (the only one I wasn't allergic to). We lived with my aunt so she was used to roaming outside, had a litter of kittens and all. So I moved to an apartment in off a busy street and I was afraid to let her out. So she starts growling at me for a few days when I came home from work and I explained it was too dangerous to let her out. So on the third day I came home from work and I sat down and was on the phone with my friend and she walked right in front of me and took a dump on my carpet. I was so livid. I went to the door and opened it and said " you wanna go out so bad, then go and I yelled after her " you better find someone to let you out because I'm on the phone. " A few minutes later I saw her out on the vacant lot next to my building. Later, I tried to get her to come back in and she wouldn't. I had a few sleepless nights, but I put food out for her in the morning. One day the manager approached me and asked if that was my black cat out in the lot. I got scared because I had already been harassed by a couple of animal lovers who swore I was gonna " kill " my cat by letting her stay outside. I admitted she was mine and she said that her and the other long-term residents fed the strays out on the lot and noticed they were all disappearing. She said they had done it for years and couldn't figure out what was going on until she saw my cat chasing all of them off. She had taken control of the entire lot, except for a black male cat she let stay and a pregnant cat. Then I found out she started gaining weight and my other neighbor told me after I left for work, she was going to the houses nearby and begging food. So we stayed there a few years and when I moved to Europe I took her back to St. Louis with me and gave her to my aunt and she lived to be about 17 years. She had a strong mind and I wasn't about to stand in her way. Chaeya ATFE2 , " Martin Watt " <aromamedical wrote: > > > They have a room with a view to watch all the wildlife; > Your poor cats are doing a jail term with no appeal. Let em out to chase the local squirrels and birds. If a fox manages to grab one, then that's life. > > >exposure to feral cats which can spread disease > Of course, it's called natural selection and is what keeps a whole species healthy. By keeping any creatures - including us - away from bugs it over time weakens the immune system as none exposure to sinister bugs can cause whole populations to be wiped out when something nasty comes along. > Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 O.K., Sue, I've read this thread and just have to ask about the deer that live UNDER YOUR PORCH! We have lots of deer and they hang all around the house and are quite friendly, but they wouldn't ever go under the porch. WOW. Be Well, Marcia Elston, Samara Botane/Nature Intelligence http://www.wingedseed.com http://www.aromaconnection.org " The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any " : Alice Walker ________________________________ ATFE2 [ATFE2 ] On Behalf Of cortaderia_1999 Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:05 PM ATFE2 [ATFE2] OT : Some EO: Long - babied cats - Where I live in a country village we have idiots who keep 3 dogs in a small house, let them crap all over the place, and then wonder why they get skin problems and spend a fortune on vet bills. > > Martin I just had to post this, love that Martin, ;)Want to raz him a bit, all very fondly:) I give my cats a feline probiotic from Natren after they have been given antibiotics for veterinary procedures (which is rarely) as I believe the veterinary antibiotic kills the good and bad bacteria in a cat's intestines, my vet and I agree on this subject, she does not sell it and leaves it to the pet owner's discretion.. Mine are 100% indoor cats (2), they don't get the pleasure of dodging cars, eating ?, trying to outrace the local foxes and mountain lions and the many other hazards found in the Sierra Nevadas. My cats must go through a portal to the house attached cat room,4x8enclosed and solid from floor up 4 feet (so other animals cannot spit or scratch at them,high sides keep most vermin out nothing big enough for rattlers,etc. exposure to feral cats which can spread disease and to keep out rain)then screen on the non storm sides, and of course a roof so they don't get wet. With ample room for 2 litterboxes on linoleum covered floor that get cleaned daily and are filled with swheatscoop, made from wheat, not clay), 2x8 16 " wide shelving for sunning and looking out and of course a carpeted combination scratching post/stool to get on first shelf of shelving both wide enough to sun and one shelf even has a round little cloth nest. And of course it gets vacummed and swept often. Because room is kept clean essential oils are not used to keep it fresh and odor free. And contrary to MLM's (we know who they are, appears we have a new company joining the mlm game) I do not use oils in or on my cats in any form.! And when I take in my cats for routine exams, my vet cuddles and exclaims they always smell so fresh and clean. No Martin, they have to bathe themselves,LOL, I only brush them and of course my long hair cat gets his ventral shave every spring for the hot summer!!!! They have a room with a view to watch all the wildlife; the deer that live under the porch, the foxes that stroll by, the fun squirrels that run along the railing of the deck and tease the cats and all the many birds that know my cats can't get them. So far I have been lucky wildlife fleas and ticks haven't found my cats. Bonkers, Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 ATFE2 , " Marcia Elston " <Marcia wrote: > > O.K., Sue, I've read this thread and just have to ask about the deer that > live UNDER YOUR PORCH! We have lots of deer and they hang all around the > house and are quite friendly, but they wouldn't ever go under the porch. > WOW. Hi Marcia, My deck must be far enough from the ground. Plus we have generations that stay here. Fawns become adults that have to leave momma because she now has new fawns. And the young ones stay here as this is where their mommas stayed when they were little. Quite a few does keep their fawns here. Right now 3 young bucks with just little nubs of antlers are sleeping under the deck. Mommas are in the brush preparing or have had their newborns.I think it may be that we do not have any dogs to frighten them and it's pretty quiet here. They are not pets as I want them to keep their natural wariness of humankind so we don't try petting them. Kindly, Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 ________________________________ ATFE2 [ATFE2 ] On Behalf Of cortaderia_1999 Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:38 PM ATFE2 [ATFE2] Re: OT : Some EO: Long - babied cats - ATFE2 <ATFE2%40> , " Marcia Elston " <Marcia wrote: > > O.K., Sue, I've read this thread and just have to ask about the deer that > live UNDER YOUR PORCH! We have lots of deer and they hang all around the > house and are quite friendly, but they wouldn't ever go under the porch. > WOW. Hi Marcia, My deck must be far enough from the ground. Plus we have generations that stay here. Fawns become adults that have to leave momma because she now has new fawns. And the young ones stay here as this is where their mommas stayed when they were little. Quite a few does keep their fawns here. Right now 3 young bucks with just little nubs of antlers are sleeping under the deck. Mommas are in the brush preparing or have had their newborns.I think it may be that we do not have any dogs to frighten them and it's pretty quiet here. They are not pets as I want them to keep their natural wariness of humankind so we don't try petting them. Kindly, Sue We never touch them either, but they get very close and just watch us. We don't do anything, no salt lick, etc., we just enjoy them when they come around. So long as they can get down to the lake, they'll always come through. I love it when the new moms and fawns come around. Right now, we have a couple of bachelor dudes (I think they're brothers) about 2 years old or so and another family/herd of about 7 and no new babies this year. Sounds like they've imprinted the spot under your deck and it's theirs now. Be Well, Marcia Elston, Samara Botane/Nature Intelligence http://www.wingedseed.com http://www.aromaconnection.org " The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any " : Alice Walker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 ATFE2 , " cortaderia_1999 " <cortaderia_1999 wrote: > > ATFE2 , " Marcia Elston " <Marcia@> wrote: > > > > O.K., Sue, I've read this thread and just have to ask about the deer that > > live UNDER YOUR PORCH! We have lots of deer and they hang all around the > > house and are quite friendly, but they wouldn't ever go under the porch. > > WOW. > Hi Marcia, > My deck must be far enough from the ground. Plus we have generations that stay here. Fawns become adults that have to leave momma because she now has new fawns. And the young ones stay here as this is where their mommas stayed when they were little. Quite a few does keep their fawns here. Right now 3 young bucks with just little nubs of antlers are sleeping under the deck. Mommas are in the brush preparing or have had their newborns.I think it may be that we do not have any dogs to frighten them and it's pretty quiet here. > They are not pets as I want them to keep their natural wariness of humankind so we don't try petting them. > Kindly, > Sue ------------------------- Wow, deer under the porch. That's like a free natural food pantry. Great stuff to feed both you and the cats, then no food supplements would be needed. Watch the ticks don't creep through the floorboards and get you Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 ATFE2 , " Martin Watt " <aromamedical wrote: > Your poor cats are doing a jail term with no appeal. Let em out to chase the local squirrels and birds. If a fox manages to grab one, then that's life. Well with that logic, I don't know why you bother with all the hand-wringing and alarm-sounding over EO safety... if someone gets hurt, sick, etc... that's life. Natural selection (or deselection) right? ;~) Lisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 ATFE2 , " Lisa " <lcamasi wrote: > > ATFE2 , " Martin Watt " <aromamedical@> wrote: > > > Your poor cats are doing a jail term with no appeal. Let em out to chase the local squirrels and birds. If a fox manages to grab one, then that's life. > > Well with that logic, I don't know why you bother with all the hand-wringing and alarm-sounding over EO safety... if someone gets hurt, sick, etc... that's life. > > Natural selection (or deselection) right? > > ;~) > > Lisa ----------- If I get run over by a bus, that's life. If I get an illness that can be treated then fine, I would expect the same with animals. I would also hope that my treatment was safe, unlike many who use essential oils in an unsafe manner on both humans and animals. Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 How cool is that. I couldn't have that around my house because my kids would drive the poor things crazy. Kinda like my grandmother always yelling at me to leave the chickens alone. Chaeya ATFE2 , " cortaderia_1999 " <cortaderia_1999 wrote: > > ATFE2 , " Marcia Elston " <Marcia@> wrote: > > > > O.K., Sue, I've read this thread and just have to ask about the deer that > > live UNDER YOUR PORCH! We have lots of deer and they hang all around the > > house and are quite friendly, but they wouldn't ever go under the porch. > > WOW. > Hi Marcia, > My deck must be far enough from the ground. Plus we have generations that stay here. Fawns become adults that have to leave momma because she now has new fawns. And the young ones stay here as this is where their mommas stayed when they were little. Quite a few does keep their fawns here. Right now 3 young bucks with just little nubs of antlers are sleeping under the deck. Mommas are in the brush preparing or have had their newborns.I think it may be that we do not have any dogs to frighten them and it's pretty quiet here. > They are not pets as I want them to keep their natural wariness of humankind so we don't try petting them. > Kindly, > Sue > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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