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Where I live in a country village we have idiots who keep 3 dogs in a small

house, let them crap all over the place, and then wonder why they get skin

problems and spend a fortune on vet bills.

>

> Martin

 

I just had to post this, love that Martin, ;)Want to raz him a bit, all very

fondly:)

 

I give my cats a feline probiotic from Natren after they have been given

antibiotics for veterinary procedures (which is rarely) as I believe the

veterinary antibiotic kills the good and bad bacteria in a cat's intestines, my

vet and I agree on this subject, she does not sell it and leaves it to the pet

owner's discretion.. Mine are 100% indoor cats (2), they don't get the pleasure

of dodging cars, eating ?, trying to outrace the local foxes and mountain lions

and the many other hazards found in the Sierra Nevadas.

 

My cats must go through a portal to the house attached cat room,4x8enclosed and

solid from floor up 4 feet (so other animals cannot spit or scratch at them,high

sides keep most vermin out nothing big enough for rattlers,etc. exposure to

feral cats which can spread disease and to keep out rain)then screen on the non

storm sides, and of course a roof so they don't get wet. With ample room for 2

litterboxes on linoleum covered floor that get cleaned daily and are filled with

swheatscoop, made from wheat, not clay), 2x8 16 " wide shelving for sunning and

looking out and of course a carpeted combination scratching post/stool to get on

first shelf of shelving both wide enough to sun and one shelf even has a round

little cloth nest. And of course it gets vacummed and swept often.

 

Because room is kept clean essential oils are not used to keep it fresh and

odor free. And contrary to MLM's (we know who they are, appears we have a new

company joining the mlm game) I do not use oils in or on my cats in any form.!

And when I take in my cats for routine exams, my vet cuddles and exclaims they

always smell so fresh and clean.

 

No Martin, they have to bathe themselves,LOL, I only brush them and of course my

long hair cat gets his ventral shave every spring for the hot summer!!!!

 

They have a room with a view to watch all the wildlife; the deer that live under

the porch, the foxes that stroll by, the fun squirrels that run along the

railing of the deck and tease the cats and all the many birds that know my cats

can't get them. So far I have been lucky wildlife fleas and ticks haven't found

my cats.

 

Bonkers,

Sue ;)

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> They have a room with a view to watch all the wildlife;

Your poor cats are doing a jail term with no appeal. Let em out to chase the

local squirrels and birds. If a fox manages to grab one, then that's life.

 

>exposure to feral cats which can spread disease

Of course, it's called natural selection and is what keeps a whole species

healthy. By keeping any creatures - including us - away from bugs it over time

weakens the immune system as none exposure to sinister bugs can cause whole

populations to be wiped out when something nasty comes along.

Martin

 

ATFE2 , " cortaderia_1999 " <cortaderia_1999 wrote:

>

> Where I live in a country village we have idiots who keep 3 dogs in a small

house, let them crap all over the place, and then wonder why they get skin

problems and spend a fortune on vet bills.

> >

> > Martin

>

> I just had to post this, love that Martin, ;)Want to raz him a bit, all very

fondly:)

>

> I give my cats a feline probiotic from Natren after they have been given

antibiotics for veterinary procedures (which is rarely) as I believe the

veterinary antibiotic kills the good and bad bacteria in a cat's intestines, my

vet and I agree on this subject, she does not sell it and leaves it to the pet

owner's discretion.. Mine are 100% indoor cats (2), they don't get the pleasure

of dodging cars, eating ?, trying to outrace the local foxes and mountain lions

and the many other hazards found in the Sierra Nevadas.

>

> My cats must go through a portal to the house attached cat room,4x8enclosed

and solid from floor up 4 feet (so other animals cannot spit or scratch at

them,high sides keep most vermin out nothing big enough for rattlers,etc.

exposure to feral cats which can spread disease and to keep out rain)then screen

on the non storm sides, and of course a roof so they don't get wet. With ample

room for 2 litterboxes on linoleum covered floor that get cleaned daily and are

filled with swheatscoop, made from wheat, not clay), 2x8 16 " wide shelving for

sunning and looking out and of course a carpeted combination scratching

post/stool to get on first shelf of shelving both wide enough to sun and one

shelf even has a round little cloth nest. And of course it gets vacummed and

swept often.

>

> Because room is kept clean essential oils are not used to keep it fresh and

odor free. And contrary to MLM's (we know who they are, appears we have a new

company joining the mlm game) I do not use oils in or on my cats in any form.!

And when I take in my cats for routine exams, my vet cuddles and exclaims they

always smell so fresh and clean.

>

> No Martin, they have to bathe themselves,LOL, I only brush them and of course

my long hair cat gets his ventral shave every spring for the hot summer!!!!

>

> They have a room with a view to watch all the wildlife; the deer that live

under the porch, the foxes that stroll by, the fun squirrels that run along the

railing of the deck and tease the cats and all the many birds that know my cats

can't get them. So far I have been lucky wildlife fleas and ticks haven't found

my cats.

>

> Bonkers,

> Sue ;)

>

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ATFE2 , " Martin Watt " <aromamedical wrote:

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> > They have a room with a view to watch all the wildlife;

> Your poor cats are doing a jail term with no appeal. Let em out to chase the

local squirrels and birds. If a fox manages to grab one, then that's life.

>

> >exposure to feral cats which can spread disease

> Of course, it's called natural selection and is what keeps a whole species

healthy.

 

LOL Martin, Yes, my cats will never parole :) the foxes will have to catch other

food :) and since both my cats are fixed and robust, I won't have to worry about

kittens having natural immunity or which cat nature will select. ;)

Fondly,

Sue

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I have a funny story about one and only cat (the only one I wasn't allergic to).

We lived with my aunt so she was used to roaming outside, had a litter of

kittens and all. So I moved to an apartment in off a busy street and I was

afraid to let her out. So she starts growling at me for a few days when I came

home from work and I explained it was too dangerous to let her out. So on the

third day I came home from work and I sat down and was on the phone with my

friend and she walked right in front of me and took a dump on my carpet.

 

I was so livid. I went to the door and opened it and said " you wanna go out so

bad, then go and I yelled after her " you better find someone to let you out

because I'm on the phone. " A few minutes later I saw her out on the vacant lot

next to my building. Later, I tried to get her to come back in and she

wouldn't. I had a few sleepless nights, but I put food out for her in the

morning. One day the manager approached me and asked if that was my black cat

out in the lot. I got scared because I had already been harassed by a couple of

animal lovers who swore I was gonna " kill " my cat by letting her stay outside.

I admitted she was mine and she said that her and the other long-term residents

fed the strays out on the lot and noticed they were all disappearing. She said

they had done it for years and couldn't figure out what was going on until she

saw my cat chasing all of them off. She had taken control of the entire lot,

except for a black male cat she let stay and a pregnant cat. Then I found out

she started gaining weight and my other neighbor told me after I left for work,

she was going to the houses nearby and begging food.

 

So we stayed there a few years and when I moved to Europe I took her back to St.

Louis with me and gave her to my aunt and she lived to be about 17 years.

 

She had a strong mind and I wasn't about to stand in her way.

 

Chaeya

 

ATFE2 , " Martin Watt " <aromamedical wrote:

>

> > They have a room with a view to watch all the wildlife;

> Your poor cats are doing a jail term with no appeal. Let em out to chase the

local squirrels and birds. If a fox manages to grab one, then that's life.

>

> >exposure to feral cats which can spread disease

> Of course, it's called natural selection and is what keeps a whole species

healthy. By keeping any creatures - including us - away from bugs it over time

weakens the immune system as none exposure to sinister bugs can cause whole

populations to be wiped out when something nasty comes along.

> Martin

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O.K., Sue, I've read this thread and just have to ask about the deer that

live UNDER YOUR PORCH! We have lots of deer and they hang all around the

house and are quite friendly, but they wouldn't ever go under the porch.

WOW.

 

Be Well,

Marcia Elston, Samara Botane/Nature Intelligence

http://www.wingedseed.com

http://www.aromaconnection.org

" The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't

have any " : Alice Walker

 

 

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ATFE2 [ATFE2 ] On Behalf Of

cortaderia_1999

Tuesday, June 09, 2009 2:05 PM

ATFE2

[ATFE2] OT : Some EO: Long - babied cats -

 

 

 

 

 

Where I live in a country village we have idiots who keep 3 dogs in a small

house, let them crap all over the place, and then wonder why they get skin

problems and spend a fortune on vet bills.

>

> Martin

 

I just had to post this, love that Martin, ;)Want to raz him a bit, all very

fondly:)

 

I give my cats a feline probiotic from Natren after they have been given

antibiotics for veterinary procedures (which is rarely) as I believe the

veterinary antibiotic kills the good and bad bacteria in a cat's intestines,

my vet and I agree on this subject, she does not sell it and leaves it to

the pet owner's discretion.. Mine are 100% indoor cats (2), they don't get

the pleasure of dodging cars, eating ?, trying to outrace the local foxes

and mountain lions and the many other hazards found in the Sierra Nevadas.

 

My cats must go through a portal to the house attached cat room,4x8enclosed

and solid from floor up 4 feet (so other animals cannot spit or scratch at

them,high sides keep most vermin out nothing big enough for rattlers,etc.

exposure to feral cats which can spread disease and to keep out rain)then

screen on the non storm sides, and of course a roof so they don't get wet.

With ample room for 2 litterboxes on linoleum covered floor that get cleaned

daily and are filled with swheatscoop, made from wheat, not clay), 2x8 16 "

wide shelving for sunning and looking out and of course a carpeted

combination scratching post/stool to get on first shelf of shelving both

wide enough to sun and one shelf even has a round little cloth nest. And of

course it gets vacummed and swept often.

 

Because room is kept clean essential oils are not used to keep it fresh and

odor free. And contrary to MLM's (we know who they are, appears we have a

new company joining the mlm game) I do not use oils in or on my cats in any

form.! And when I take in my cats for routine exams, my vet cuddles and

exclaims they always smell so fresh and clean.

 

No Martin, they have to bathe themselves,LOL, I only brush them and of

course my long hair cat gets his ventral shave every spring for the hot

summer!!!!

 

They have a room with a view to watch all the wildlife; the deer that live

under the porch, the foxes that stroll by, the fun squirrels that run along

the railing of the deck and tease the cats and all the many birds that know

my cats can't get them. So far I have been lucky wildlife fleas and ticks

haven't found my cats.

 

Bonkers,

Sue ;)

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ATFE2 , " Marcia Elston " <Marcia wrote:

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> O.K., Sue, I've read this thread and just have to ask about the deer that

> live UNDER YOUR PORCH! We have lots of deer and they hang all around the

> house and are quite friendly, but they wouldn't ever go under the porch.

> WOW.

Hi Marcia,

My deck must be far enough from the ground. Plus we have generations that stay

here. Fawns become adults that have to leave momma because she now has new

fawns. And the young ones stay here as this is where their mommas stayed when

they were little. Quite a few does keep their fawns here. Right now 3 young

bucks with just little nubs of antlers are sleeping under the deck. Mommas are

in the brush preparing or have had their newborns.I think it may be that we do

not have any dogs to frighten them and it's pretty quiet here.

They are not pets as I want them to keep their natural wariness of humankind so

we don't try petting them.

Kindly,

Sue

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ATFE2 [ATFE2 ] On Behalf Of

cortaderia_1999

Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:38 PM

ATFE2

[ATFE2] Re: OT : Some EO: Long - babied cats -

ATFE2 <ATFE2%40> , " Marcia

Elston " <Marcia wrote:

>

> O.K., Sue, I've read this thread and just have to ask about the deer that

> live UNDER YOUR PORCH! We have lots of deer and they hang all around the

> house and are quite friendly, but they wouldn't ever go under the porch.

> WOW.

Hi Marcia,

My deck must be far enough from the ground. Plus we have generations that

stay here. Fawns become adults that have to leave momma because she now has

new fawns. And the young ones stay here as this is where their mommas stayed

when they were little. Quite a few does keep their fawns here. Right now 3

young bucks with just little nubs of antlers are sleeping under the deck.

Mommas are in the brush preparing or have had their newborns.I think it may

be that we do not have any dogs to frighten them and it's pretty quiet here.

They are not pets as I want them to keep their natural wariness of humankind

so we don't try petting them.

Kindly,

Sue

 

We never touch them either, but they get very close and just watch us. We

don't do anything, no salt lick, etc., we just enjoy them when they come

around. So long as they can get down to the lake, they'll always come

through. I love it when the new moms and fawns come around. Right now, we

have a couple of bachelor dudes (I think they're brothers) about 2 years old

or so and another family/herd of about 7 and no new babies this year.

Sounds like they've imprinted the spot under your deck and it's theirs now.

 

Be Well,

Marcia Elston, Samara Botane/Nature Intelligence

http://www.wingedseed.com

http://www.aromaconnection.org

" The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't

have any " : Alice Walker

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ATFE2 , " cortaderia_1999 " <cortaderia_1999 wrote:

>

> ATFE2 , " Marcia Elston " <Marcia@> wrote:

> >

> > O.K., Sue, I've read this thread and just have to ask about the deer that

> > live UNDER YOUR PORCH! We have lots of deer and they hang all around the

> > house and are quite friendly, but they wouldn't ever go under the porch.

> > WOW.

> Hi Marcia,

> My deck must be far enough from the ground. Plus we have generations that stay

here. Fawns become adults that have to leave momma because she now has new

fawns. And the young ones stay here as this is where their mommas stayed when

they were little. Quite a few does keep their fawns here. Right now 3 young

bucks with just little nubs of antlers are sleeping under the deck. Mommas are

in the brush preparing or have had their newborns.I think it may be that we do

not have any dogs to frighten them and it's pretty quiet here.

> They are not pets as I want them to keep their natural wariness of humankind

so we don't try petting them.

> Kindly,

> Sue

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Wow, deer under the porch. That's like a free natural food pantry. Great stuff

to feed both you and the cats, then no food supplements would be needed. Watch

the ticks don't creep through the floorboards and get you :)

 

Martin

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ATFE2 , " Martin Watt " <aromamedical wrote:

 

> Your poor cats are doing a jail term with no appeal. Let em out to chase the

local squirrels and birds. If a fox manages to grab one, then that's life.

 

Well with that logic, I don't know why you bother with all the hand-wringing and

alarm-sounding over EO safety... if someone gets hurt, sick, etc... that's life.

 

Natural selection (or deselection) right?

 

;~)

 

Lisa

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ATFE2 , " Lisa " <lcamasi wrote:

>

> ATFE2 , " Martin Watt " <aromamedical@> wrote:

>

> > Your poor cats are doing a jail term with no appeal. Let em out to chase

the local squirrels and birds. If a fox manages to grab one, then that's life.

>

> Well with that logic, I don't know why you bother with all the hand-wringing

and alarm-sounding over EO safety... if someone gets hurt, sick, etc... that's

life.

>

> Natural selection (or deselection) right?

>

> ;~)

>

> Lisa

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If I get run over by a bus, that's life. If I get an illness that can be

treated then fine, I would expect the same with animals. I would also hope that

my treatment was safe, unlike many who use essential oils in an unsafe manner on

both humans and animals.

 

Martin

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How cool is that. I couldn't have that around my house because my kids would

drive the poor things crazy. Kinda like my grandmother always yelling at me to

leave the chickens alone.

 

Chaeya

 

ATFE2 , " cortaderia_1999 " <cortaderia_1999 wrote:

>

> ATFE2 , " Marcia Elston " <Marcia@> wrote:

> >

> > O.K., Sue, I've read this thread and just have to ask about the deer that

> > live UNDER YOUR PORCH! We have lots of deer and they hang all around the

> > house and are quite friendly, but they wouldn't ever go under the porch.

> > WOW.

> Hi Marcia,

> My deck must be far enough from the ground. Plus we have generations that stay

here. Fawns become adults that have to leave momma because she now has new

fawns. And the young ones stay here as this is where their mommas stayed when

they were little. Quite a few does keep their fawns here. Right now 3 young

bucks with just little nubs of antlers are sleeping under the deck. Mommas are

in the brush preparing or have had their newborns.I think it may be that we do

not have any dogs to frighten them and it's pretty quiet here.

> They are not pets as I want them to keep their natural wariness of humankind

so we don't try petting them.

> Kindly,

> Sue

>

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