There's no end to the misinformation....

[Guest guest]

infuriating link:

 

http://www.thewholedog.org/EOCats.html

 

 

Since 1995 - supplying Aromatherapy and Healthcare Professionals

Website: http://www.naturesgift.com

Blog: http://naturesgiftaromatherapy.blogspot.com/

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Oils remove metallic particulates from the air?

 

And it's my understanding EOs are all toxic to cats.

 

Cathy

Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld.

 

 

Marge Clark <marge

 

Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:05:18

<ATFE2 >

[ATFE2] There's no end to the misinformation....

 

 

 

infuriating link:

 

http://www.thewholedog.org/EOCats.html

 

 

Since 1995 - supplying Aromatherapy and Healthcare Professionals

Website: http://www.naturesgift.com

Blog: http://naturesgiftaromatherapy.blogspot.com/

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I received an e-mail forwarded from a veteranarian in Beverly Hills, CA, I

checked him out and he was bona fide. He was warning petowners not to give

their pets food with probiotics (which is like pig feces) because it was causing

them urinary tract infections (which often go undetected in pets) which lead to

kidney failure. As far as essential oils go? I've never had that much problems

with my pets. My dog growing up at everything from Alpo to McDonald's (my dad

felt guilty when we bought McDonald's and insisted I buy her a meal too), she

was 16 when she died and probably would have lived longer if she hadn't got hit

by a car.

 

I don't have purebreeds, I've always bought mutts from the pound and I've had a

better health success rate with them.

 

Chaeya

 

ATFE2 , Marge Clark <marge wrote:

>

>

> infuriating link:

>

> http://www.thewholedog.org/EOCats.html

>

>

> Since 1995 - supplying Aromatherapy and Healthcare Professionals

> Website: http://www.naturesgift.com

> Blog: http://naturesgiftaromatherapy.blogspot.com/

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Marge and All,

Today I heard a lady say that she was going to sell " Theraputic Grade

Essential Oils, " and I spoke before I thought. I told her that there was no

such thing as " theraputic grade essential oils " in an extreme

over-reaction. I explained that she was being fed hype and that she needed

to learn how essential oils were distilled which she is not interested in

doing. By the way she is not YL but some other company called " Tara " out of

Idaho. My question is: Have you or anyone else heard of this company? I am

assuming that it is a mlm also. I told her that she needed training before

she started selling eos and telling people that there were " some eos " that

you could apply directly to the skin. She is only interested in selling eos

to make extra money. Needless to say I was talking to a brick wall. I felt

very much like Kathlene P. when she gets hot on YL. I even mentioned

courses that she could take and books to read. Her answer was that my

" uplines " will teach me " all I need to know. " I left there feeling so

frustrated. I am always amazed at the greed and ignorance now of many

people.

 

Rhavda Cooper Emison

Texas Grown - American Made Rose Oil Products

http://home.earthlink.net/~scent57/http://www.scentsofsuccess.com

 

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Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:05:18 -0500

ATFE2

[ATFE2] There's no end to the misinformation....

 

 

 

infuriating link:

 

http://www.thewholedog.org/EOCats.html

 

 

Since 1995 - supplying Aromatherapy and Healthcare Professionals

Website: http://www.naturesgift.com

Blog: http://naturesgiftaromatherapy.blogspot.com/

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Chaeya,

 

You really might want to cite a source if you are going to pass along claims the

likes of below - there are many things that cause urinary tract infections,

especially in cats, and probiotics are not 'like pig feces' that's just utter

hogwash!

 

Probiotics are essential to a *healthy* gut and actually will contribute to a

robust immune system's ability to combat a wide range of infections.

 

Lisa

 

ATFE2 , " Chaeya " <chaeya wrote:

>

> I received an e-mail forwarded from a veteranarian in Beverly Hills, CA, I

checked him out and he was bona fide. He was warning petowners not to give

their pets food with probiotics (which is like pig feces) because it was causing

them urinary tract infections (which often go undetected in pets) which lead to

kidney failure. As far as essential oils go? I've never had that much problems

with my pets. My dog growing up at everything from Alpo to McDonald's (my dad

felt guilty when we bought McDonald's and insisted I buy her a meal too), she

was 16 when she died and probably would have lived longer if she hadn't got hit

by a car.

>

> I don't have purebreeds, I've always bought mutts from the pound and I've had

a better health success rate with them.

>

> Chaeya

>

> ATFE2 , Marge Clark <marge@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > infuriating link:

> >

> > http://www.thewholedog.org/EOCats.html

> >

> >

> > Since 1995 - supplying Aromatherapy and Healthcare Professionals

> > Website: http://www.naturesgift.com

> > Blog: http://naturesgiftaromatherapy.blogspot.com/

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>Probiotics are essential to a *healthy* gut and actually will >contribute to a

robust immune system's ability to combat a wide range >of infections.

Marketing hogwash. Cats will thrive in the wild on anything they can get to eat.

Likewise, ever heard of wild dogs who will also kill and eat just about anything

and are healthy till old age gets them? I find it incredible that people

constantly suck in and believe this marketing hype. My old cat used to beg for

cooked lungs, made the place stink, but he would not touch cat foods if he could

help it. He lived to a ripe old age and was still a fighter in his old age. Have

people really lost their ability to think?

 

Martin Watt

 

ATFE2 , " Lisa " <lcamasi wrote:

>

> Hi Chaeya,

>

> You really might want to cite a source if you are going to pass along claims

the likes of below - there are many things that cause urinary tract infections,

especially in cats, and probiotics are not 'like pig feces' that's just utter

hogwash!

>

> Probiotics are essential to a *healthy* gut and actually will contribute to a

robust immune system's ability to combat a wide range of infections.

>

> Lisa

>

> ATFE2 , " Chaeya " <chaeya@> wrote:

> >

> > I received an e-mail forwarded from a veteranarian in Beverly Hills, CA, I

checked him out and he was bona fide. He was warning petowners not to give

their pets food with probiotics (which is like pig feces) because it was causing

them urinary tract infections (which often go undetected in pets) which lead to

kidney failure. As far as essential oils go? I've never had that much problems

with my pets. My dog growing up at everything from Alpo to McDonald's (my dad

felt guilty when we bought McDonald's and insisted I buy her a meal too), she

was 16 when she died and probably would have lived longer if she hadn't got hit

by a car.

> >

> > I don't have purebreeds, I've always bought mutts from the pound and I've

had a better health success rate with them.

> >

> > Chaeya

> >

> > ATFE2 , Marge Clark <marge@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > infuriating link:

> > >

> > > http://www.thewholedog.org/EOCats.html

> > >

> > >

> > > Since 1995 - supplying Aromatherapy and Healthcare Professionals

> > > Website: http://www.naturesgift.com

> > > Blog: http://naturesgiftaromatherapy.blogspot.com/

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> Marketing hogwash. Cats will thrive in the wild on anything they can get to

eat. Likewise, ever heard of wild dogs who will also kill and eat just about

anything and are healthy till old age gets them? I find it incredible that

people constantly suck in and believe this marketing hype. My old cat used to

beg for cooked lungs, made the place stink, but he would not touch cat foods if

he could help it. He lived to a ripe old age and was still a fighter in his old

age. Have people really lost their ability to think?

>

> Martin Watt

>

 

OMG... just get me started will you? One of the biggest causes of illness in

cats especially, because they are obligate carnivores, is the entire

commercially driven push to feed dry kibble.

 

It is implicated in the rising epidemic of feline diabetes (cats need low carb

diets - don't have the digestive system to break down and convert carbs to

usable energy) tooth decay, and urinary tract infections.

 

The issue with UTIs used to be struvite crystals and uroliths, but manufacturers

started adding DL Methionine to kibble as an acidifier - which helped to

significantly reduce the incidence of struvite crystals and UTI's, but now there

is an increased incidence of calcium oxalate uroliths. Both of these conditions

can usually be prevented by feeding a raw diet, or at least canned food. The

UTIs and struvite uroliths can be treated with medication and diet and resolved,

but the calcium oxalate uroliths have to be removed surgically, and then

prevented by a change in diet (OFF kibble!) I have friends with a 4 year old

cat in a lot of pain facing surgery, and my friends are looking at a $2000 vet

bill for this.

 

If you want more detailed information on dietary issues in cats, check out the

link below. It is maintained by a vet who is adamantly in the " NO KIBBLE " camp,

and she cites plenty of primary source research.

 

My cats, and the feral colonies I manage, all get some kibble, but they also get

either raw or (occasionally) canned food, every day. Has made a huge difference

in their health, and in my vet bills, and not that much more expensive because I

make most of the raw diet myself.

 

http://www.catinfo.org/index.htm

 

Lisa

[Guest guest]

Lisa,

 

 

 

All that you said is correct about food and cats.

 

Thaks for the link.

 

 

Note

 

Some people here, if they know only about oils and plants should stay securely

in their subject seats.

 

 

 

 

 

ATFE2

lcamasi

Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:00:46 +0000

[ATFE2] Re: There's no end to the misinformation....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Marketing hogwash. Cats will thrive in the wild on anything they can get to

eat. Likewise, ever heard of wild dogs who will also kill and eat just about

anything and are healthy till old age gets them? I find it incredible that

people constantly suck in and believe this marketing hype. My old cat used to

beg for cooked lungs, made the place stink, but he would not touch cat foods if

he could help it. He lived to a ripe old age and was still a fighter in his old

age. Have people really lost their ability to think?

>

> Martin Watt

>

 

OMG... just get me started will you? One of the biggest causes of illness in

cats especially, because they are obligate carnivores, is the entire

commercially driven push to feed dry kibble.

 

It is implicated in the rising epidemic of feline diabetes (cats need low carb

diets - don't have the digestive system to break down and convert carbs to

usable energy) tooth decay, and urinary tract infections.

 

The issue with UTIs used to be struvite crystals and uroliths, but manufacturers

started adding DL Methionine to kibble as an acidifier - which helped to

significantly reduce the incidence of struvite crystals and UTI's, but now there

is an increased incidence of calcium oxalate uroliths. Both of these conditions

can usually be prevented by feeding a raw diet, or at least canned food. The

UTIs and struvite uroliths can be treated with medication and diet and resolved,

but the calcium oxalate uroliths have to be removed surgically, and then

prevented by a change in diet (OFF kibble!) I have friends with a 4 year old cat

in a lot of pain facing surgery, and my friends are looking at a $2000 vet bill

for this.

 

If you want more detailed information on dietary issues in cats, check out the

link below. It is maintained by a vet who is adamantly in the " NO KIBBLE " camp,

and she cites plenty of primary source research.

 

My cats, and the feral colonies I manage, all get some kibble, but they also get

either raw or (occasionally) canned food, every day. Has made a huge difference

in their health, and in my vet bills, and not that much more expensive because I

make most of the raw diet myself.

 

http://www.catinfo.org/index.htm

 

Lisa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Lisa,

 

I'm looking for the site and they delete sites at the board where I originally

posted it in December. I can't remember the name of the veterinarian, but I

looked him up at the time and he has a practice in Beverly Hills. There is a

form of probiotics that is made with PIG FECES. Not all probiotics are made

with this, but there is a form that is given to pets that are. I can't recall

all the details, but he said they contract UTIs from licking themselves and he

did his own study finding that there were less instances of UTIs in pets not

given dog and cat food with this particular probiotic in it.

 

So let's get one things straight between you and me. I've been a member here

for a long time. I'm a student of Martin Watt who is my mentor. I have studied

essential oils and I have attended a number of gatherings with a number of the

people here who know me personally. I have done my own testing on essential

oils. I research EVERYTHING that comes across my e-mail and other sources. I

don't start talking out of my a$$ for whatever reason without checking it out.

It's only my opinion. I was buying a natural brand of dog food for my pet and

indeed I found this probiotic this vet was talking about and it had " pig feces "

in parens (the Trader Joe's brand) and I stopped giving it to my pet. I changed

to another brand of NATURAL pet food. You want to give your pet pig crap, go

right ahead, I'm not standing in your way, but I have a right to post what I

want whether you agree with it or not.

 

So please do not address me like Martin and using terms like " hogwash " to me.

Nobody talks down to me here. You disrespect me, I'm going off because I've had

enough of people doing this at these type of boards. I don't hide behind my

computer talking down to people, I treat people with respect, but they want to

get huffy they can bring it and I'll be there here or in public. I'm older, I'm

cranky and I have zero tolerance for this.

 

I came here because people were nicer and they know I had problems on a certain

Natural Perfumery board who thinks they can treat people like crap. I don't

have these problems on any of the other boards I belong to. But every time I

come here or boards like it there's some drama going on with a bunch of

know-it-alls. Martin, I don't care, I love Martin (he comes with a disclaimer).

But because he lets loose here, and most of the time I don't blame him because I

find a lot of people in the natural beauty business annoying with their

self-righteous b.s., a lot of other people think they can act like him. Doesn't

work in my book.

 

Chaeya

 

ATFE2 , " Lisa " <lcamasi wrote:

>

> Hi Chaeya,

>

> You really might want to cite a source if you are going to pass along claims

the likes of below - there are many things that cause urinary tract infections,

especially in cats, and probiotics are not 'like pig feces' that's just utter

hogwash!

>

> Probiotics are essential to a *healthy* gut and actually will contribute to a

robust immune system's ability to combat a wide range of infections.

>

> Lisa

[Guest guest]

ATFE2 , Marge Clark <marge wrote:

>

>

> infuriating link:

>

> http://www.thewholedog.org/EOCats.html

>

>

> Since 1995 - supplying Aromatherapy and Healthcare Professionals

> Website: http://www.naturesgift.com

> Blog: http://naturesgiftaromatherapy.blogspot.com/

 

What people will do to their cats and advise others for money. Marge, I come

across this c....all the time but always more show up like this url your

furnished. Thanks Marge.

 

As Ron White says; " You can't teach Stupid "

 

The YL bunch or any eo mlm always espouse 'their eo's can be used' Pure

stupidity on the seller and buyer's (future downline)part.

[Guest guest]

ATFE2 , " Lisa " <lcamasi wrote:

>

>

> > Marketing hogwash. Cats will thrive in the wild on anything they can get to

eat. Likewise, ever heard of wild dogs who will also kill and eat just about

anything and are healthy till old age gets them? I find it incredible that

people constantly suck in and believe this marketing hype. My old cat used to

beg for cooked lungs, made the place stink, but he would not touch cat foods if

he could help it. He lived to a ripe old age and was still a fighter in his old

age. Have people really lost their ability to think?

> >

> > Martin Watt

> >

>

> OMG... just get me started will you? One of the biggest causes of illness in

cats especially, because they are obligate carnivores, is the entire

commercially driven push to feed dry kibble.

>

> It is implicated in the rising epidemic of feline diabetes (cats need low carb

diets - don't have the digestive system to break down and convert carbs to

usable energy) tooth decay, and urinary tract infections.

>

> The issue with UTIs used to be struvite crystals and uroliths, but

manufacturers started adding DL Methionine to kibble as an acidifier - which

helped to significantly reduce the incidence of struvite crystals and UTI's, but

now there is an increased incidence of calcium oxalate uroliths. Both of these

conditions can usually be prevented by feeding a raw diet, or at least canned

food. The UTIs and struvite uroliths can be treated with medication and diet

and resolved, but the calcium oxalate uroliths have to be removed surgically,

and then prevented by a change in diet (OFF kibble!) I have friends with a 4

year old cat in a lot of pain facing surgery, and my friends are looking at a

$2000 vet bill for this.

>

> If you want more detailed information on dietary issues in cats, check out the

link below. It is maintained by a vet who is adamantly in the " NO KIBBLE " camp,

and she cites plenty of primary source research.

>

> My cats, and the feral colonies I manage, all get some kibble, but they also

get either raw or (occasionally) canned food, every day. Has made a huge

difference in their health, and in my vet bills, and not that much more

expensive because I make most of the raw diet myself.

>

> http://www.catinfo.org/index.htm

>

> Lisa

=====================================

The whole issue of cat food supplements is only an issue because of the modern

trends to treat pets like babies rather than let them lead a natural life as

evolution intended. If only people would let their cats eat a relatively natural

diet of wild killed meats, or even animal bits that butchers throw away, then no

supplements would be needed. As has already been pointed out, many of these

supplements are far from being " natural " .

 

Both cats and dogs were until only about 50 years ago used to keep down pests,

as warning alarms and dogs as various types of hunters. My uncle who had a farm

would never let his dogs indoors and they had a kennel outside in all weathers.

They were healthy kept like that. He would only allow his pet pig indoors as he

reckoned it was cleaner than the dogs. The dogs were fed on rabbits shot on the

farm, allowed to keep the odd pheasant for themselves, plus any rats they

caught. The sole job of the cats was to hunt and kill rats and mice.

 

Now look at how most people keep their animals compared to the above. No wonder

they get all kinds of illnesses caused wholly by an unnatural lifestyle.

Billions are wasted on the whole animal support industry that would be better

spent on better human welfare. Where I live in a country village we have idiots

who keep 3 dogs in a small house, let them crap all over the place, and then

wonder why they get skin problems and spend a fortune on vet bills.

 

Martin

 

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