Clarification on My Post Regarding The Ol' Troll

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Hey Martin,

 

> Wow this thread is getting out of hand but it has really fired up the

> group which is just great. I hope this will be my last post of the

> subject as I must respond to a few points made by Butch and others.

>

 

I will agree that it got out of hand .. it got into the realm of fantasy.

 

 

> >If we don't demand some discipline in the field of Aromatherapy we

> >must

> >accept that synthetic fragrances sold by Glade and other companies

> This all depends on what people think is meant by aroma-therapy. Many

> years ago a friend of mine tried to persuade the trade associations in

> the UK to register the term so that it could not be used by the likes

> of Glade. The trade were just not interested and as a result what we

> feared has happened.

>

 

I am certain that you agreed with that friend .. and what I am trying to do

is STOP crap like what you " feared " would happen. There is no need to

" Register " the term Aromatherapy .. at least not in the USA. We don't need

the government to tell us how far to stand from a urinal. The EU has

crapped over the free use of EO already .. more legislation or registration

is not what you need .. you need to have a group of HONEST professionals

AGREE what AT is and then TELL the government .. don't wait for them to

bless the term!

 

 

> My personal take on this is that if you are treating someone

> using essential oils, etc. for pscychological or physical treatments,

> that this is what most consider to be aroma-therapy.

>

 

I agree with this .. but you can't have it both ways!

 

 

> To use synthetic fragrances in candles, diffusers, perfumes, etc. for

> relaxation, etc. can also be termed aroma-therapy as the term is not a

> protected one, so like it or not we are stuck with it. I should add

> here that many of the synthetic fragrances are far safer than some

> essential oils. However that does not mean they should be used for

> any physical therapeutic purposes.

>

 

We are NOT stuck with the term and there is no need to have it protected or

blessed by a bunch of bureaucrats!

 

And I challenge you to elaborate on which synthetic fragrances are safer

than which Essential Oils! Knowing what is in a synthetic fragrance is a

challenge unto itself because the producers of FO have lobbied and won the

right to not list the ingredients .. they are Trade Secrets .. at least in

the USA. If that is not the case in the EU then say so but the majority of

the folks who are absorbing all this humma humma are not Europeans.

 

I am, however, happy to see that you distinguished between the unproved

(subjective) benefits of treating psychological or emotional issues and

treating physiological problems.

 

 

> Likewise if Butch feels good after smelling his Bourbon then that is

> aroma-therapy.

>

 

Bovine Excrement .. if that is so then a Pot Head or Crack Head is

practicing Aromatherapy too!

 

 

> Pheromones play a huge part in human interactions as well. Not sure

> if this could be called aroma-therapy, but I think so as those

> pheromones have definite physical effects as well as psychological.

> Some insect pheromones are the same molecules as occur in some

> essential oils.

>

 

The whole subject of human pheromones is denied by some scientists .. but I

won't go there now except to say that the example I gave of Vietnamese Bar

Girls had nothing to do with pheromones .. it was all about hormones and a

desire to live tonight because we might bite the dust tomorrow.

 

 

> Now back to the original subject which was are garden flowers

> aroma-therapy? Heck yes they are, and with what I know of their

> chemistry far more so than any essential oils. In flowers I also

> include fragrant resins, leaves and barks. I defy anyone to tell me

> that a handful of pine needles in a hot bath when suffering from a

> cold is not aroma-therapy, and it contains hundreds more plant

> chemicals than are in the essential oil.

>

 

This is where you want to have it both ways. But to take up the challenge

... I will tell you that a handful of pine needles in a hot bath is NOT

Aromatherapy .. I will agree that there MIGHT be more individual chemical

components in the pine needles than there will be in the oils that were

extracted via distillation .. because many of those chemicals are water

soluble and will be in the Hydrosol instead of in the EO itself .. but I

will not agree that there will be more chemicals dispersed in the bath water

OR the air because a hot bath is insufficient to pull a great amount of EO

from any part of any aromatic plant .. and I believe that you will also

disagree with your own statement if you think on it a bit.

 

 

> Butch said:

> >Martin, being a Herbalist (that is his expertise .. not Aromatherapy)

> It was for that very reason when I got into aromatherapy nearly 25

> years ago that I realised what a pile of bovine excrement was being

> taught and written and it still is. It is also the reason that a few

> aromatherapy teachers and writers came to me to correct their

> materials. They did not have the volume of research data I have got,

> or more importantly the knowledge of how to sort the wheat from the chaff.

>

 

I agree with all that you have written above .. and its why I am dismayed,

perplexed, surprised and damn near shocked at some of the statements you

have put out .. I can not really believe that you really believe all that

you have written.

 

 

> Martin

>

 

And Liz .. you were wrong .. there are Trolls on this list. I am older

than Martin so I have more right to be ornery than he does .. but he is

beating me out on this one. ;-) Butch

 

 

>

>

> ATFE2 <ATFE2%40>, " Butch Owen "

> <butchowen wrote:

> >

> > Hey y'all,

> >

> > I'm gonna clarify one point now afore someone rightfully calls me on

> > it. ;-) It was not my intent to say that Martin does not know the

> > in's and out's of AT .. but its not his original field of expertise.

> > He is perhaps the most knowledgeable person around on the subject of

> > safe use of EO .. believe it or not .. more knowledgable than I

> > am. ;-) Folks who don't own his Safety Manual " Plant Aromatics "

> > are playing Russian Roulette .. shooting in the dark .. when they

> > make blends for dermal application.

> >

> > http://www.aromamedical.com/paper.html

> >

> > And .. even though I NEVER wish to be known as an AT Practitioner, I

> > have taken two AT Courses and I accidently know a thing or three

> > about AT .. so I feel qualified to say that his AT Course is the best

> > around .. and the least costly .. and it will teach you the correct

> > way the first time .. no need to unlearn bad info later.

> >

> > http://www.aromamedical.com/coursedetails.html

> >

> > If you wanna know who this ol' Troll really is .. go here.

> >

> > http://www.aromamedical.com/biography.html

> >

> > Y'all keep smiling. :-)

> >

> > Butch .. http://www.AV-AT.com <http://www.av-at.com/>

> >

> > > Martin, being a Herbalist (that is his expertise .. not

> > Aromatherapy)

> >

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