Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Yo Kathleen, > There is another point that I hesitate to point out lest Butch takes out > his > big gun and shoots me down. LOL! But here we go... > Don't need no sniper rifle here .. so I'll bring a pea shooter. ;-) > How are eo's derived. Steam distillation for the most part. What is > used? > Flowers (I'm being VERY simplistic here, I know other parts of the plant is > also used, so give moi a wee break). What kind of flowers? Fresh flowers. > Not dried up, withered old maid flowers without a spark of life, but big > fat > juicy, prime of their fertile lives flowers, still retaining a bit of life > in them. > Few Essential Oils are made from Flower Blossoms .. and many EO can NOT be distilled from aromatic plants when they are fresh .. they must be dried first. > Okay. Flowers, add steam (heated past boiling point water) and you get > essential oils. > You can extract EO without boiling .. without heat .. its just not economical to do it. I am talking about EO .. not Cold Pressed Oils .. they are not (to me) EO. They are, however, volatile oils. > So. You trying to tell me that flowers growing in the garden, being > pummeled > by mr. nasty sun (not a heat lover here) is NOT, in fact, releasing a > minute > quantity of something theraputic? That when we suck into our lungs the air > around these flowers that we are ONLY getting smell? > Not trying to say that at all .. but tip toeing through the tulips will probably never be considered as Aromatherapy treatment. > AAAAACHHHHOOOO! and pollen. > Ain't no pollen in EOs .. pollen can't survive distillation. ;-) > I don't believe it. > What? ;-) > One can be rather short sighted and say that only bottled product can be > used for the practice of Aromatherapy, but it is my belief that sitting in > a > garden, a maze, a room filled with the real thing is going to do one a huge > amount of good and part of that is from whatever the plants are releasing > to > the air around them. > One of the things that keeps AT from becoming a credible science .. aside from supposition, rumor, misinformation and disinformation .. are opinions not based on proven, tested results. But you have just given me a Commercial idea .. I might wanna start selling tickets .. let folks sit on my patio and sniff all the fantastic aromatic plants surrounding it. I could tell them tales about Fields of Ambrosia .. and if Henry County will grant me a license I could even sell Aromatic Jack Daniels Black Tennessee Sour Mash Whiskey. ;-) > Chin stuck out with stubborn conviction that she's right! > You are one day early .. tomorrow I will say that you and all the other Mothers on the list are right. ;-) > K > P.S. Keep in mind I am not saying that it could replace oils, I'm saying > there is a place for them as well. ;-) > If I can print up those tickets and get a likker license I might start claiming that it can replace EO. Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch .. http://www.AV-AT.com <http://www.av-at.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Yo, Butch, > ......rain is slowing down a bit now so pretty soon I'll be going > outside for a bit of Aromatherapy. I love the smell of trees and plants > after a rain .. I even love the odor of my compost pile when its wet. Dang > shame we can't distill compost piles and come up with a usuable therapeutic > oil. ;-) Knew you'd come around. :-) Christina Off to explore the Aromatherapy in a cup of iced Ceylon Tea with Spearmint and meyer lemon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Not trying to say " aromatherapy TREATMENT " , just that walking through a field of flowers can have the same benefit as sniffing a bottle. Actually it could be better for you as you are exercising at the same time, while lying on a massage table, one is just a pile of sludge. The original question was, are sweet peas (standing amongst fresh real flowers) aromatherapy? If one is talking about lying on a table being a pile of sludge while being slathered in oils, then no. However, breathing in the fresh air, combined with the aromatic bouquet and whatever molecules they are giving off as well, can be construed as " aromatherapy " , depending on the definition of the word Aromatherapy, which no three people can seem to agree on anyway. I catch your drift Butch, I really do. In a practical, real world of absolutes, then no, smelling flowers can't be called aromatherapy. However when one broadens the definition a bit, then yes, smelling fresh flowers is. I also understand what you are saying when you submit that accepting flowers, can open door to allowing glade products, the smell of petrol (which, I'm almost embarassed to admit, I LIKE), to inhalation of cigarette smoke might also be considered " aromatherapy " . I believe the question was submitted as a subjective one. Does one, as an individual, considering standing amongst fresh flowers " aromatherapy? " As an individual, not trying to shake the world or change the status quo, my answer is " Yes. I consider living growing breathing flowers to be " aromatherapy " . Would I then consider adding it to a practical, genuine part of " aromatherapy " as we know it. No, but on the other hand, I don't have a problem with telling folks to get off their butts and go out and smell the roses either. ;-) K On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Butch Owen <butchowen wrote: > . > > > -- Kathleen Petrides Bead Hussy http://www.BeadHussy.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Butch Owen wrote: >> What kind of flowers? Fresh flowers. >> (etc snipped) >> Hi Butch, everyone: My take on this is that flowers, bourbon, manure, new mown hay, baking cookies, clothes dried on the line in the sunshine scent, etc., etc. are in the realm of what we call *aromachology *- stuff that makes us feel good psychologically. Stuff that's written about in Perfumer and Flavorist magazine and industry mags as stuff they like to headspace and recreate to lure folks into stores, have an orgasm when they open the dryer and take out the artifically-scented clothes, make you want to eat, etc. Unless you have access to the real stuff like Butch and his compost pile and the sweet peas ;-) then you don't have to pay for a recreation. Aromatherapy - emphasis on *therapy *- to me is *essential oils* used to either kill germs, help heal skin problems, be inhaled for respiratory issues, etc., etc. Lots of etc's today - so y'all can fill in the blanks.;-) -- - perfumes, aromatics, classes, consultation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Howdy Butch, Thanks for your many replies to this and to the other lists that you are on. You, Martin, Kathleen, Liz, and a number of other people have always been available to answer questions quickly and thoroughly. By the time I am about to write an answer you have beaten me to the punch and answered it so I don't attempt to reply. My spring has been busy and is getting busier each day since I have entered my harvest time for my roses (from April 15 until about June 4-5), then I will do Helichrysum for several weeks and on to Melissa and finally after the heat of the summer on to Chaste Berry leaves & berrries. I find myself not being able to answer questions to any list much less take a poll until after harvest is complete. So I monitor the list and same the emails because in the fall I begin my 6th year teaching AT at one of our local colleges. So many you might reassess you condemnation of some of the list members that don't answer every time a question is asked. I have been working and playing with AT since about 1984 when it was not even called AT in this country. I have chosen to go towards the area of making aged herbal infused oils because I believe that they are an area that AT will head towards if the European situation is not corrected to our liking. That doesn't mean I don't sell eos but it does mean that I am open to other products in AT that are not necessarily mainstream as you carry in your business. I believe that we are at a crossroads in AT and that we are about to enlarge our scope into new areas in order for AT to grow and survive. I also believe that the definition for AT is evolving even as we are writing these emails back and forth to each other. I think that most of us have stayed with the " generic " definition because there has not been a better definition come forth. Maybe we, as a group, can come up with a new definition. Who knows? We may be the ones to set the future course of AT. We can always give it a try and see what happens. You have challenged others on this list so why can't there be a challenge set forth to help us to decide upon a new and updated definiton of what AT is and should be. Let us all take part in this evolution of a new definiton for AT. Remember the end of the thousand mile journey begins only when the first step is taken or in our case, the first group of definitions are looked at, torn apart and made into another definiton which fits our needs at this point in time. Then if we don't like it, we change it again but at least, we have started the process of molding a new definition for the future of our AT world. I will start with the definition that I was given more that 20 plus years ago. It can be torn apart and remade. So let us all take part in this birthing of a new definition and go for it! " Aromatherapy is the use of pure essential & herbal oils), extracted from flowers, plants, twigs, roots, stems, and leaves to help calm, balance, & rejuvenate the mind, body, & spirit. It is also the study & application of enhancing complete overall wellness through the application of scent in various ways. " Butch, thank you, again, for bringing up the subject about the people in the background and not being able to participate. Remember that we, too, are out here working hard at what we do best and as time allows we will become more active. I use this information much more than you realize. I am still using information in each class that you gave about oregano, rose, and helichrysum eos to point out how well these eos work and that there is information out there to explain eos to people. I may not be as vocal nor as active but I do appreciate your work as I am sure many others do. You have opened many doors for many people. Now hopefully, you and I and many others can help open the doors for the future of AT with setting a new definiton. Sincerely, Rhavda Cooper Emison Scents of Success Specializing in Aged Herbal Infused Oils -- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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