Guest guest Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Well, the explanation wasn't ON the poll, so it's kind of tough to assume that she was referring to fresh sweet peas rather than what is bottled and sold as aromatherapy, true? Serra On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:49 AM, Kathleen Petrides <Beadhussy wrote: > > > Dissenting vote here... > > Remember folks, she wasn't talking bottled crap, she was talking about the > scent of the real thing out side amongst them. Lilacs are aromatherapy for > me (as are sweetpeas. Love em), and just because you can't bottle them, > test > them or drink them, doesn't make them less viable than something one CAN > bottle and sell. > > On 5/6/08, Stacey <millerslm1 wrote: > > > > ATFE2 <ATFE2%40>, Serra > > > <serrathescented wrote: > > > > > > I voted no because most of the Sweet Pea scents I've run into in the > > > name of Aromatherapy have been synthetic scents, not any extraction of > > > real blooms. > > > Serra > > > > I agree. While Sweet Peas are readily redolent they are not extracted > > into oils that are readily available. (Someone, *please* correct me if > > I'm wrong here.) > > > > Take care, > > Stacey > > > > > > > > -- > Kathleen Petrides > Bead Hussy > http://www.BeadHussy.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Very true. The poll it couldhave been anything from fresh sweet peas to Sweet pea toilet cleaner. I just read the note not the poll! ;-) K On 5/6/08, Serra <serrathescented wrote: > > Well, the explanation wasn't ON the poll, so it's kind of tough to > assume that she was referring to fresh sweet peas rather than what is > bottled and sold as aromatherapy, true? > Serra > > On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:49 AM, Kathleen Petrides <Beadhussy<Beadhussy%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > Dissenting vote here... > > > > Remember folks, she wasn't talking bottled crap, she was talking about > the > > scent of the real thing out side amongst them. Lilacs are aromatherapy > for > > me (as are sweetpeas. Love em), and just because you can't bottle them, > > test > > them or drink them, doesn't make them less viable than something one CAN > > bottle and sell. > > > > On 5/6/08, Stacey <millerslm1 <millerslm1%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > ATFE2 <ATFE2%40> <ATFE2% > 40>, Serra > > > > > <serrathescented wrote: > > > > > > > > I voted no because most of the Sweet Pea scents I've run into in the > > > > name of Aromatherapy have been synthetic scents, not any extraction > of > > > > real blooms. > > > > Serra > > > > > > I agree. While Sweet Peas are readily redolent they are not extracted > > > into oils that are readily available. (Someone, *please* correct me if > > > I'm wrong here.) > > > > > > Take care, > > > Stacey > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Kathleen Petrides > > Bead Hussy > > http://www.BeadHussy.com <http://www.beadhussy.com/> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Hi Guys, Gosh, I guess Serra is right, I didn't specify in the poll, if I was going for real flowers or just bottled fake stuff. My mistake. As the message I send noted, I was going for the real thing. And plenty of it. I do believe that natural, aromatic substances, even those we can't extract and put in a bottle, are of therapeutic value. And so they fit my definition of Aromatherapy. Glad it fits your definition, too, Kathleen. And yes, I believe any bottles of EO of Sweet Peas to be snake oil. And I have seen them. Just the other day I saw a Sweet Pea scented soap. I wouldn't buy this stuff, though some people love it. Here lies a fresh question. For me, Aromatherapy relies on strictly natural substances, but it's not like that for everyone. This link http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/aromatherapy has the Random House Unabridged definition, which is: The use of fragrances to affect or alter a person's mood or behavior. Let's say you ate Jolly Rancher candies (flavored hard candies) from the local store when you were a kid, and your favorite flavor was sour apple. Now someone is offering you a sour apple soap. Let's say you don't give a hoot about natural products. For you, the soap is aromatherapy. All thoughts welcome. Cheers, Christina On 5/7/08, Kathleen Petrides <Beadhussy wrote: > > Very true. The poll it couldhave been anything from fresh sweet peas to > Sweet pea toilet cleaner. I just read the note not the poll! ;-) > > K > > On 5/6/08, Serra <serrathescented <serrathescented%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > Well, the explanation wasn't ON the poll, so it's kind of tough to > > assume that she was referring to fresh sweet peas rather than what is > > bottled and sold as aromatherapy, true? > > Serra > > > > On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:49 AM, Kathleen Petrides <Beadhussy<Beadhussy%40gmail.com> > <Beadhussy%40gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dissenting vote here... > > > > > > Remember folks, she wasn't talking bottled crap, she was talking about > > the > > > scent of the real thing out side amongst them. Lilacs are aromatherapy > > for > > > me (as are sweetpeas. Love em), and just because you can't bottle > them, > > > test > > > them or drink them, doesn't make them less viable than something one > CAN > > > bottle and sell. > > > > > > On 5/6/08, Stacey <millerslm1 <millerslm1%40gmail.com><millerslm1% > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > ATFE2 <ATFE2%40> <ATFE2% > 40> <ATFE2% > > 40>, Serra > > > > > > > <serrathescented wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I voted no because most of the Sweet Pea scents I've run into in > the > > > > > name of Aromatherapy have been synthetic scents, not any > extraction > > of > > > > > real blooms. > > > > > Serra > > > > > > > > I agree. While Sweet Peas are readily redolent they are not > extracted > > > > into oils that are readily available. (Someone, *please* correct me > if > > > > I'm wrong here.) > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Stacey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Kathleen Petrides > > > Bead Hussy > > > http://www.BeadHussy.com <http://www.beadhussy.com/> < > http://www.beadhussy.com/> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Hi According to Sense of Smell Institute that sour apple scent would be Aroma-Chology® (note the TM!) ...not Aromatherapy Check out their definition here http://www.senseofsmell.org/resources/aroma_chology_print.php To me aromatherapy is natural scents only. But then - what about absolutes? (It gets tricky.....!) LLx 2008/5/7 Christina M <BodyAmbrosia: > Hi Guys, > Let's say you ate Jolly Rancher candies (flavored hard candies) from the > local store when you were a kid, and your favorite flavor was sour > apple. Now someone is offering you a sour apple soap. Let's say you don't > give a hoot about natural products. For you, the soap is aromatherapy. > > All thoughts welcome. > > Cheers, > Christina > > On 5/7/08, Kathleen Petrides <Beadhussy wrote: >> >> Very true. The poll it couldhave been anything from fresh sweet peas to >> Sweet pea toilet cleaner. I just read the note not the poll! ;-) >> >> K >> >> On 5/6/08, Serra <serrathescented <serrathescented%40gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> > >> > Well, the explanation wasn't ON the poll, so it's kind of tough to >> > assume that she was referring to fresh sweet peas rather than what is >> > bottled and sold as aromatherapy, true? >> > Serra >> > >> > On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 12:49 AM, Kathleen Petrides <Beadhussy<Beadhussy%40gmail.com> >> <Beadhussy%40gmail.com>> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > Dissenting vote here... >> > > >> > > Remember folks, she wasn't talking bottled crap, she was talking about >> > the >> > > scent of the real thing out side amongst them. Lilacs are aromatherapy >> > for >> > > me (as are sweetpeas. Love em), and just because you can't bottle >> them, >> > > test >> > > them or drink them, doesn't make them less viable than something one >> CAN >> > > bottle and sell. >> > > >> > > On 5/6/08, Stacey <millerslm1 <millerslm1%40gmail.com><millerslm1% >> 40gmail.com>> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > ATFE2 <ATFE2%40> <ATFE2% >> 40> <ATFE2% >> > 40>, Serra >> > > >> > > > <serrathescented wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > I voted no because most of the Sweet Pea scents I've run into in >> the >> > > > > name of Aromatherapy have been synthetic scents, not any >> extraction >> > of >> > > > > real blooms. >> > > > > Serra >> > > > >> > > > I agree. While Sweet Peas are readily redolent they are not >> extracted >> > > > into oils that are readily available. (Someone, *please* correct me >> if >> > > > I'm wrong here.) >> > > > >> > > > Take care, >> > > > Stacey >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Kathleen Petrides >> > > Bead Hussy >> > > http://www.BeadHussy.com <http://www.beadhussy.com/> < >> http://www.beadhussy.com/> >> > > >> > > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Howdy y'all, Telling folks what they want to hear is probably more Politically Correct than telling the truth because the truth often hurts feelings .. and even the ears when the balloons of Bovine Excrement burst! Those who have known me for lots of years don't wait for me to tell it like folks want to hear it ... odds are good that they have written me off line and I have recommended AGAINST use of particular EO (even at the loss of a sale) because the purpose for which they intended to use it was a waste of money. Those people who know me well also won't interpret the following as being a Negative Post. I think answers to the question in the subject line (above) would be based on one's interpretation of what Aromatherapy is. The meaning of AT was not ordained by some Superior Being .. it is a creation of man. In English, a table is a table .. in Turkish it is a masa .. but that piece of furniture is only a table or a masa because people agree that it is a table or a masa. If those people wish to communicate in an effective manner they must use terminology that is understood by those in their culture. I believe that there are but few of us who have a desire (or a dream) of having discipline and universal (standard) terminology in the field of Aromatherapy .. and I believe there will be even fewer in the future because constantly telling folks that the Moon is not made of Green Cheese does become tiring. I have just about given up .. was a time I tried to inject reality into the AT field but lately I find myself more and more ignoring the misinformation UNLESS it is harmful .. unless it is UNSAFE misinformation. Many of you who have known me for years will have noted that I don't often post to News Groups anymore. Universal terminology has long been missing from this alterative-complementary treatment field and will likely continue to be so because of the absence of regulation in the U.S.A. Discipline is missing because of the great amount of marketing hype, misinformation and disinformation in the field. Some of the misinformation comes from knowledgeable people who are marketing ... some from people with little knowledge who are marketing .. but in both cases it is pure marketing hype. Some of the disinformation comes from users who are not knowledgeable of the proper use of EO but wish to appear otherwise. Such people are often the ones who will quickly reply to questions of what oils should we use for this or that .. they will regurgitate information gleaned from the many unreferenced AT " novels " that are out and about .. " novels " that are simply regurgitations of previously published unreferenced " novels " . These people often claim to either have had great results using this or that for this or that (when they have NOT had such .. or maybe ANY results) and more often than not they have not personally tried what they are recommending. Some of the disinformation comes from knowledgeable people who claim to have received positive feedback from satisfied buyers who had success using their products for this or that. Aromatherapy and use of Essential Oils is NOT New Age .. but New Agers like to claim it as being such. If we eliminate the New Age Hocus Pocus and Romanticism from Aromatherapy and Essential Oils .. if we acknowledge that the oils have no spirits and they don't talk to us .. if we accept that the plants are not harvested in an Earth Friendly Manner with Tender Loving Care by Vestal Virgins in long flowing robes who are chanting Hari Krishna whilst thanking the plants for their supreme sacrifice .. some of us are then in Deep Doo Doo .. because we must learn something about chemistry .. and about physiology. In other words .. we have to deal with a reality that requires devoting a good bit of time to learn truth. Truth is usually more boring than fiction! Aromatherapy is NOT about smelling the Roses! Aromatherapy is about Essential Oils! Considering that the therapeutic benefits from use of an Essential Oils can be Physiological and Psychological and Emotional .. with lots of overlap between the latter two .. if we want to be generous (but inaccurate) we can stretch the true definition of AT to mean .. smelling Cow Excrement can be AT. We would be dead wrong to do this .. just as we are dead wrong to say that smelling Sweet Peas or the many types of Lavenders, Jasmines and Roses ... as well as Honeysuckles .. that surround my patio is Aromatherapy. Is there Psychological or Emotional Therapy from sniffing all the above .. to include the Cow Excrement? Could be . if you like the odor! Take a young man who was raised on a Texas Cattle Ranch who is now living in New York City .. let me mix some Cow Manure with distilled water and I might create a false Hydrosol that will take him as high as Catnip takes my bird eating Black Cat, Shadow. So .. interpret Aromatherapy as you wish .. I doubt if incorrect interpretation can harm the field any more than it has already been harmed by all the Bovine Excrement we see on a day to day basis. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. ;-) Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch .. http://www.AV-AT.com <http://www.av-at.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 ATFE2 , " Butch Owen " <butchowen wrote: if we acknowledge that the oils have no spirits and they don't talk to us .. Hi Folks, I am a newbie on this list, although hardly a newcomer to the field of Aromatherapy. For decades I was strictly self-taught, then had the wonderful opportunity to study with Jeffrey Yuen (some of you may be familiar with this Chinese Master who has been keynote speaker at some of the best-known AT conferences worldwide). One thing I have learned is that the plants do indeed have spirits and that essential oils, as the lifeblood of the plant, can also be said to contain its spirit. I do not know this because I have read it in a book or heard it in a classroom -- I know this because I have had the experience of having an oil " speak " to me and tell me how it wants to work with a person. But hey, this is my reality and I don't necessarily expect anyone else to to it. Butch, thank you for your post. Not only did it offer me the perfect opportunity to jump in here and make my introduction, but I appreciate your straightforward honesty and solid information. I look forward to learning from -- and sharing with -- all of you. Lisa Kadison Terralumina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 > One thing I have learned is that the plants do indeed have spirits > and that essential oils, as the lifeblood of the plant, can also be > said to contain its spirit. I do not know this because I have read > it in a book or heard it in a classroom -- I know this because I > have had the experience of having an oil " speak " to me and tell me > how it wants to work with a person. But hey, this is my reality and > I don't necessarily expect anyone else to to it. Hi Lisa, Welcome to the list and hey to everyone who hasn't heard from me in a long time. I want to respond to your post, Lisa, and just share my thoughts on it as I also work much with Spirit/Divine in everything I do, especially my business and this is my take on your view. The essential oil is indeed the " lifeblood " of the plant, but once it is distilled or expressed out of the source, there is no life to it any longer. Just as inside our bodies our blood is blue and full of life and many wonderful things goes one in its flow, once you prick my finger and it spills out, the oxygen turns it red and its attributes are slowly lost as it dies until it is cold and unless refrigerated, it is lifeless. While there may be some life force in an oil a bit after the distillation process, it slowly loses that. Plants are living things and they indeed speak to us and communicate. It's oils indeed continues to have great qualities even though it is no longer " alive " inside the plant. Now, I do agree that things speak to us, but it is not the inanimate object that is speaking to us, it is the Spirit that flows in and around us continuously that we tap into. It fuses with our mind and allows us to zero in on whatever goal it is we have. I have done this with most of what I acquire or make. If my goal is to produce a new scent, I will sit with my bottles of oils and just go into trance at times and just begin grabbing at bottles that I would say is " speaking " to me, but in all reality it is my higher self fusing with Spirit that is doing the speaking and taking the knowledge that is deep inside me that leads me to the oils I wish to blend. It is not the oil, I believe. But, in the spirit of a challenge to see whether I'm wrong or not, I've always wanted to do Kirlian photography on blends to see if there is any energy coming from it, especially after infusing it with Reiki. I know there has been Kirlian photography done on people who have had EO inhaled or rubbed on them and changes were noted in their auras. By the way, ha ha, I was surfing today and found an article written by a " Certified Master Aromatherapist. " Bloody hell. I had a good laugh there. This is only my two scents and I acknowledge you seem happy with your beliefs for right now. Again, welcome to the board. Michele Madison Robles Danaomi Scents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 >Do you mean they have all the extraction chemicals removed Yes. >Or is there a (commercially viable) method of production not >involving chemicals? CO2 and Molecular extraction. >Also, how do you see the flower-as-aromatherapy? Flowers are REAL aromatherapy. ATFE2 , Liz <liztams wrote: > > Hi Martin > > 2008/5/8 Martin Watt <aromamedical: > > Liz said: > > > >>To me aromatherapy is natural scents only. But then - what about > >>absolutes? > > > Absolutes are far more " natural " than any essential oils as long as > > they have been properly produced. > > I personally love absolutes (well, a lot of them, not all) and I'm > intrigued by *properly produced*. > Do you mean they have all the extraction chemicals removed completely? > Or is there a (commercially viable) method of production not involving > chemicals? > Also, how do you see the flower-as-aromatherapy? Can a natural scented > flowers be considered as AT in your opinion? or has AT to come out of > a bottle to be *true AT*? > (lot of questions there - sorry!) > LLx > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Thanks, Martin. And I hope you vote in the poll. Last I checked, us " Flowers are Aromatherapy " people were losing 2 to 1. Cheers, Christina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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