EO And Birds: Was: Fall Kickoff Blend and Parakeets

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Howdy y'all,

 

 

 

> On 13/09/2007, DecemberRoses

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> wrote:

> > Mmm, sounds good. I have all those oils. Maybe I'll give it a whirl.

> BTW,

> > does anyone know if scenting the room with eo's is harmful to parakeets?

> It

> > is a big area--about 1800--2000 sq. ft. or so.

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> Having said all that I just found this:

> " PLUG-IN Room fragrances - once again lethal to birds "

> On http://www.solwayparrotclub.co.uk/minor_ailments.htm

> Geesh...aways Google before hitting send....

>

> LLx

>

 

Liz .. I agree with the logic you presented. And I too have never seen any

research that addresses the effect of Essential Oils on birds. A question

that comes to mind is .. do people in Beijing, Mexico City and Istanbul keep

parakeets. I expect that the answer is YES for the first two cities and I

am absolutely certain that it is YES for Istanbul. Let that lay for a

while. ;-)

 

I read the article the Vet has at the above link .. she seems to have their

ducks in line for sure. I also read the part about household cleaning

materials and aerosols and plug in room fragrances,. etc. Basically ..

toxins .. and for sure there is research showing that birds have a tough

time dealing with many toxins .. but then the Vet went into the elimination

of Red Mites.

 

 

To keep Red Mite <http://www.solwayparrotclub.co.uk/minor_ailments.htm#Red

Mite>out of your Nests/NestBoxes/Aviaries - You can make your own spray by

adding 20 drops

of Eucalyptus natural Oil and 20 drops of Tea Tree (both can be bought from

Health Shops or Chemists)

into 250ml of warm water in a (clean) spray bottle then spray your

nests/boxes etc. before you put the

bedding in.

 

(DO NOT SPRAY if EGGS in the Nests) .

 

The Tea Tree is a Natural Antiseptic, as is the Eucalyptus which also has

the added advantage of being good for the birds' breathing and an effective

germicidal and anti-bacterial.

So it appears as if she is one who leans toward " If its Natural its Safe. "

Not necessarily true that. There is a good reference publication that

shows the oral and dermal toxicity levels of over 200 EO based on the old

LD-50 testing system that I think is no longer used on animals. That

publication is Martin Watt's Safety Manual .. Plant Aromatics.

http://www.aromamedical.com/paper.html

 

The reasons canaries were used in coal mines is because they visibly

demonstrated signs of distress when exposed to toxic the gases .. carbon

monoxide and methane. Canaries have been replaced in the mines now ...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/december/30/newsid_2547000/2547\

587.stm

 

Having had quite a few canaries and parakeets when I was younger .. and

having been a heavy smoker then .. and one who used whatever came to mind to

clean the home or make it smell nice and who paid absolutely no attention to

toxicity in those days, I don't believe that all of the toxic conditions the

Vet mentioned are as dangerous as she stated. Even knowledgeable

professionals put their fingers on the scales from time to time because is

the safest thing to do. Ask a lawyer for an opinion and you'll get one

that will advise that you protect yourself from things that could maybe,

possibly, under the right extreme circumstances and conditions .. become a

potential problem. The Embassy Nurse in Ankara had a blurb in the Welcome

Bulletin that advised folks to wash their veggies with Clorox if they

intended to eat them raw. I lived over 26 years in Turkey and because I

couldn't imagine how Clorox could taste better than Extra-Virgin Olive Oil

(which, because it was unrefined was also recommended against) on a salad.

So I never used Clorox and I never got sick. ;-)

 

Many professionals in the AT community advise (for the record) that no EO

should be ingested .. but they do ingest some .. they just don't trust

others to know which ones should be used in what dosage .. and they don't

want to appear to be suggesting/prescribing medications without a license.

 

 

I reckon lots of folks .. especially professionals .. live by the rule, " Do

As I Say Not As I Do " .. as do many Televangelists and a Senator from

Idaho. ;-)

 

 

If I had parakeets in a 1,800 to 2,000 sq. ft. room I would be less

concerned about harming them with reasonable .. not constant .. use of EO

than I would exposing them to the toxic air in most of the large cities in

the world .. and even less concerned than I would if I had a visitor who

liked to bath in perfume. Same time .. I would keep an eye on them. I

would keep an eye on them (and any other pets) even if I were not using EO

in the room.

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi,

A good resource is http://www.parrotparrot.com , which is considered a

good source by both the LavenderCat and Cybercanine for bird health.

 

I always wonder too, who did the vet learn their AT and do they sell

any oils. Have found vets that get involved with a certain mlm, use

their hype and not true research/knowledge.

 

Sounds like a real waste of eo's, aviaries also just use plain soap and

water or dishsoap to rid the mites, cleanliness and not overcrowding

helps too. (My daughter did her college work experience in an aviary)

Hope this may help too, just to add to Butch's informative post. Sure

do like seeing some old buds here!

Sue

The Lavender Cat

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for all the bird conversation. :-) I just love birds. We

have a bunch of feeders on our porch and 14 chickens in the back yard. Now

we have 2 sweet little parakeets, so I was curious.

 

Tracy

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Thursday, September 13, 2007 2:20 PM

[ATFE2] Re: EO And Birds: Was: Fall Kickoff Blend and Parakeets

 

 

> Hi,

> A good resource is http://www.parrotparrot.com , which is considered a

> good source by both the LavenderCat and Cybercanine for bird health.

>

> I always wonder too, who did the vet learn their AT and do they sell

> any oils. Have found vets that get involved with a certain mlm, use

> their hype and not true research/knowledge.

>

> Sounds like a real waste of eo's, aviaries also just use plain soap and

> water or dishsoap to rid the mites, cleanliness and not overcrowding

> helps too. (My daughter did her college work experience in an aviary)

> Hope this may help too, just to add to Butch's informative post. Sure

> do like seeing some old buds here!

> Sue

> The Lavender Cat

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