goats milk formula

[Guest guest]

I didn't make myself very clear. I meant " what about taking Dr. Mercola's goats

milk based formula and using half cow's milk so it isn't all goats milk?

Here is a web site that explains a little more about our questions about solute

load if you scroll down a bit. I gather from what you said, though,that mixing

the two kinds of milk would not be good from an ayurvedic point of view.

 

http://www.wholesomebabyfood.com/goatsmilkforbaby.htm

Vicky York, IBCLC, CPD

Postpartum Care Services

www.vickyyorkdoula.com

 

 

references: www.ikarma.com/user/vmyork

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Vicky -

 

I see - my feeling about not mixing the two types of milk is more intuitive not

documented or taught to me. Thanks for the info link - it took me to another

with good detail on nutrient composition of these two types of milk too.

 

I had to wonder, whether the goats and cows tested had similar lifestyles. IE,

were both barn raised or grass fed or....so many factors influence quality and

nutrient profile as well as the prana (may the life force be with us!) in the

milk.

 

Ysha

 

> I didn't make myself very clear. I meant " what about taking Dr. Mercola's

goats milk based formula and using half cow's milk so it isn't all goats milk?

 

> Here is a web site that explains a little more about our questions about

solute load if you scroll down a bit. I gather from what you said, though,that

mixing the two kinds of milk would not be good from an ayurvedic point of view.

>

> http://www.wholesomebabyfood.com/goatsmilkforbaby.htm

[Guest guest]

PS - The cow's milk formula we have is for early infants, cut in half with water

also, and mineral rich sugar and digestive spices added for the nutrient

balance. Both too dense in " solutes " for newborns it sounds like.

[Guest guest]

however the goats and cows were raised, do you think it would change basic

compositional things like protein, fat, etc. ? Evidently when we eat a lot of

protein we need more water to process it. And so with goats milk, we would need

to really dilute it to match the protein, but that would also dilute the

nutrients. On the other hand, cows are such big creatures, it doesn't seem right

that their milk would be appropriate for little human babies. don't know what

would be. Vicky

Vicky York, IBCLC, CPD

Postpartum Care Services

www.vickyyorkdoula.com

 

 

references: www.ikarma.com/user/vmyork

 

 

 

 

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ayurdoula <AyurDoulas

ayurveda

Wed, May 5, 2010 4:39:15 PM

PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: goats milk formula

 

 

Hi Vicky -

 

I see - my feeling about not mixing the two types of milk is more intuitive not

documented or taught to me. Thanks for the info link - it took me to another

with good detail on nutrient composition of these two types of milk too.

 

I had to wonder, whether the goats and cows tested had similar lifestyles. IE,

were both barn raised or grass fed or....so many factors influence quality and

nutrient profile as well as the prana (may the life force be with us!) in the

milk.

 

Ysha

 

> I didn't make myself very clear. I meant " what about taking Dr. Mercola's

goats milk based formula and using half cow's milk so it isn't all goats milk?

 

> Here is a web site that explains a little more about our questions about

solute load if you scroll down a bit. I gather from what you said, though,that

mixing the two kinds of milk would not be good from an ayurvedic point of view.

>

> http://www.wholesom ebabyfood. com/goatsmilkfor baby.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

yes, but it looks like we would just have to dilute goats milk much more than

cows milk.

Vicky York, IBCLC, CPD

Postpartum Care Services

www.vickyyorkdoula.com

 

 

references: www.ikarma.com/user/vmyork

 

 

 

 

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ayurdoula <AyurDoulas

ayurveda

Wed, May 5, 2010 4:41:51 PM

PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: goats milk formula

 

 

PS - The cow's milk formula we have is for early infants, cut in half with water

also, and mineral rich sugar and digestive spices added for the nutrient

balance. Both too dense in " solutes " for newborns it sounds like.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Here is the link to Mercola's infant formula. He favors goat milk over cows.

Vicky York, IBCLC, CPD

Postpartum Care Services

www.vickyyorkdoula.com

 

 

references: www.ikarma.com/user/vmyork

 

 

 

 

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ayurdoula <AyurDoulas

ayurveda

Wed, May 5, 2010 4:41:51 PM

PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: goats milk formula

 

 

PS - The cow's milk formula we have is for early infants, cut in half with water

also, and mineral rich sugar and digestive spices added for the nutrient

balance. Both too dense in " solutes " for newborns it sounds like.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Vicky, Can you resend? link doesn't show.

 

I'm not very motivated I have to admit, to compare just the nutrients that

modern chemistry focuses on as important, piece by piece. And need to be

prepared with this info for working with broader group of clients in the clinic

plan here.

 

 

Re your question about how the animal/s are raised affecting influences of the

milk, ayurveda looks at influences beyond protein, mineral and vitamin type

profiles, though I know you get more natural Vitamin D from grass fed cows and

things like that.

 

We know for anyone, these things can effect us sometimes significantly and along

with how the milk is prepared and being taken are not being looked at in

research studies on goats and/or cow's milk.

 

And on the other hand, when a mother is used to using the amagenic commercial

dairy products, just proper use of the principles postpartum with milk - when

and how to take it, how it is prepared, can make a soothingly positive

difference. For the babies....these issues are only part of the picture because

of the " solute load " and things like that.

 

For you as a lactation consultant, this info is going to be used much more than

for some of us, and I'm glad you are leading the questioning. And so many

babies end up partially or totally on forumla.

 

Ysha

 

> Here is the link to Mercola's infant formula. He favors goat milk over cows.

> Vicky York, IBCLC, CPD

> Postpartum Care Services

> www.vickyyorkdoula.com

[Guest guest]

So you are right, Vicky - here the advice is 1 part goat milk to 3 parts water,

with some extra refinements. We have a new group member, affectionately called

Dr. V for many years through his years studying in the UK, Yale, his practice in

OBGYN in the Southeast US and other places, and now teaching and practicing his

ayurveda in Boulder, Colorado.

 

You may respond to him here with further questions. He has significant

background in sootika (postpartum care), somatic psychology and other

specialties.

 

Dear Ysha:

 

Why goat milk:

 

Life style: little water, more exercise, favorite food: Greens with pungent and

bitter taste because of these reasons Goat milk is light.(principle of

taste,guna and karma)

 

Important:Morning milk is heavier then evening, In the beginning of postpartum

morning milk is preferred but dosages and timing is important.

 

It is drug of choice for TB.

 

Ethnobotany: Rabari tribes in India gives their children Goat milk once in a day

to increase their immune system againt common cold and make their lung stronger

(Sir J.D.Hooker- British Flora Indica Vol- VI)

 

Whole his life Gandhi drank goat milk.

 

Dr.V

 

Dearest Dr. V -

 

With your permission, I can post it for you on the forum. Are you saying that

Ayurveda distinguishes the goat's morning milk for specific purposes, making it

better for mothers and babies if needed?

 

We are wondering on how it may be used for infant formula for those who cannot

breastfeed, and how it compares to a cow's milk formula. Can you shed any

insight?

 

Warm Regards,

 

Ysha

 

Dear Ysha,

 

I believe in sharing things always. Yes you can post it there. Remember cow

milk is the best that is what Ayurveda says but in case if it is not available

then Goat milk can be added in to infant formula in 1:3 parts with water. Why

morning milk because at night goat does not get enough excercise as day time, so

morning milk is tend to be heavy then evening. For Mal nourished infants we

should start with evening milk because it is more lighter and easily digestible.

 

Goat milk can be used for infant formula for those who can not breastfeed.

compares to cow milk it is light, more easily digestible, better lung tonic,

good in children and infants diarrhoea (Astanghrdaum by Dr.Kunte).

 

Yours truly

 

Dr.V

 

> yes, but it looks like we would just have to dilute goats milk much more than

cows milk.

> Vicky York, IBCLC, CPD

[Guest guest]

notes on supplements to it -

 

Dear Dr. V -

 

.... What is your opinion with the need for special minerals, vitamins etc in

this case?

 

Dear Ysha

 

I want advise in the adding any minerals or vitamins because I strongly believe

in natural goat milk. I do not advise against minerals or vitamins but milk

should be given in natural form and ABCDE drops can continue. Do not mix in milk

please.

 

Yours truly

 

Dr.V

 

Dear Dr. V -

 

It does seem very a dilute food to me, and I'm wondering about how to replace

the missing ojas building factor? Are the babies you have worked with this way

wanting other foods sooner?

 

Warm Regards

Ysha

 

> So you are right, Vicky - here the advice is 1 part goat milk to 3 parts

water, with some extra refinements.