9th month traditional advice and more

[Guest guest]

Lovely link. Though some of the herbs and other advice is not going to

translate well, there are some good tips I " ve gained and thought you might like

to see -

 

http://www.vedicsociety.org/vedic-birthing-p-139.html

 

Thanks Eden for sharing -

 

Ysha

[Guest guest]

love this! thanks for posting!!!

mavis

 

ayurveda , " ayurdoula " <AyurDoulas wrote:

>

> Lovely link. Though some of the herbs and other advice is not going to

translate well, there are some good tips I " ve gained and thought you might like

to see -

>

> http://www.vedicsociety.org/vedic-birthing-p-139.html

>

> Thanks Eden for sharing -

>

> Ysha

>

[Guest guest]

Eden has asked some questions about this link which will be of interest

I'm sure to others, so posting here.

 

Ysha

 

> Lovely link. Though some of the herbs and other advice is not going

to translate well, there are some good tips I " ve gained and thought you

might like to see -

>

> http://www.vedicsociety.org/vedic-birthing-p-139.html

 

Ysha -

 

It is true that there are some things (8 ways to have boiled milk and

daily yagna etc) that are a bit inaccessible to western mindset or

lifestyles but I am curious about what you do and don't find workable

for women here. Do you recommend that woman wrap their bellies, use

medicated smoke (ah maybe this is where the use of essential oils comes

in?)?

I actually do teach them to boil milk at least once, better let it come

up three times. People are fascinated by the idea that though

pasteurization makes milk proteins more difficult to digest, boiling

(esp 3X) breaks the molecules up and makes them more bio available,

along with the other tricks. We take time to discuss the whole milk

story, why it rightly has such a bad rap, and why properly used it is so

valuable. Usually first anyone has heard of it. Being such a sattvic

and rejuvenative, serotonin enhancing food for postpartum, taking the

time to " make them a convert " is worth it. Very valuable for many

actually. Especially with how often natural health practitioners,

lactation consultants and all are encouraged to blame milk first for

many problems. Again, the way it is used as you know, may be the

reason.

 

Yes on the belly wrapping, whenever possible. It feels great. Some

just don't get the fabric, and I've never made sales of product part of

my work in any effective way - it would be good if we did have an

inexpensive source for a set of them.

 

The medicate smoke we haven't tried - do you mean yoni smoking or for

immune protection? Yes on the latter for essential oils, very valuable!

I know many women who would be happy to do the former also, I just never

was given a protocol or saw the need. The things we do with mamas are

so amazingly helpful without going into what sometimes seems endless

number of details. Nature is so abundant with choices for health and

restoring it, I see often that when we properly support with the right

principles going, that's the key.

 

There is an invite to possibly teach this work to women as part of a

seva project for the Art of Living's Women Empowerment program in India.

I've been reflecting on how we will have to adapt it to resources

available and receive donations of supplies in order to help them adopt

the principles into poor communities. It will be interesting!

 

How amenable do you find people on the ideas (that translate to us into)

protecting mother and child from vata aggravating like not running

around too much after giving birth?

There are some key ways of talking about a woman's needs and

psychophysiological process which really gets their attention, including

the " 42 Days for 42 Years " piece. We discuss this in detail in the

first unit (and you will find them valuable on several of the test

questions *o). Things also like, that a woman's psycho physiology is

as delicate as her baby's during that time. Westerners, especially the

dominance of pitta in our culture, will push their boundaries anyway,

unless they are already personally scared of the PPMDs or other common

postpartum problems.

 

The program as I was taught adapted it to westerners by saying stay in

at least 2 weeks if possible, and keep it easy for the next 4 as best

you can. When doing frequent or daily care for the mothers, we are in

coversation daily about what is going on, what bothers them, keys like

experiencing any digestive or elimination discomforts, increases in

bleeding, moods, difficulty sleeping, and how not only their routines

and diet at home are affecting these things, but how outings can. Many

need to experience how increase in activity increases their lochia or a

clogged milk duct before they listen to you with a little deeper respect

(for their process!).

 

I often tell them that even tho they may have to go out to the doc or

midwife, if they add in other errands they are pretty guaranteed a rough

night, for mama and or baby, from the subtle nervous system sensitivity

to stimulation. They will often test it and sheepishly down shift.

Most don't mind a few ayurvedic words, though we don't have to use them.

A few of the 20 (gunas) and other common sense, self referral ayurvedic

explanations go a long way.

I look forward to learning more,

Eden

 

Warm Regards,

Ysha

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks Ysha for such clear and insightful answers. You can't imagine (or maybe

you can) the struggle we have had squeezing information about woman's health etc

out of our Indian Vaidya teachers. A breath of fresh air.

 

The milk issue is a big one I know. I was raised as allergic to milk and was

sick till my folks got goats (and raw fresh milk consequently). Curious if you

have experience with goats milk?

 

Dhooma or medicated smoke seems to be a big thing post partum. However my

experience with it is general Dhoomapan (inhalation for dinacharya kapha

clearing and after nasya etc). It is said to counter the actions of Kaphic

activities (like sleeping during the day or doing ghee nasya or vomina). It

dries secretions, is astringent in action, and subtle/teekshna so going deep

into the tissues, though it can also be Bruhan/nourishing (of course depending

on the herbs or oils used) and I suspect this is why it is used after birthing.

All these things could be seen as 'immune boosting' in one way or another.

 

I will read up in it to see if I can glean any more info specifically related to

pregnancy and birth.

 

The idea of taking usable and accessible avurveda back to India is fascinating.

There are certainly lots of ayurvedic influenced practices in culture but I have

no idea the level of knowledge about why things are done (the principals). The

knowledge seems to be help very tightly.

 

Peace!

Eden

 

 

ayurveda , " ayurdoula " <AyurDoulas wrote:

>

> Eden has asked some questions about this link which will be of interest

> I'm sure to others, so posting here.

>

> Ysha

>

> > Lovely link. Though some of the herbs and other advice is not going

> to translate well, there are some good tips I " ve gained and thought you

> might like to see -

> >

> > http://www.vedicsociety.org/vedic-birthing-p-139.html

>

> Ysha -

>

> It is true that there are some things (8 ways to have boiled milk and

> daily yagna etc) that are a bit inaccessible to western mindset or

> lifestyles but I am curious about what you do and don't find workable

> for women here. Do you recommend that woman wrap their bellies, use

> medicated smoke (ah maybe this is where the use of essential oils comes

> in?)?

> I actually do teach them to boil milk at least once, better let it come

> up three times. People are fascinated by the idea that though

> pasteurization makes milk proteins more difficult to digest, boiling

> (esp 3X) breaks the molecules up and makes them more bio available,

> along with the other tricks. We take time to discuss the whole milk

> story, why it rightly has such a bad rap, and why properly used it is so

> valuable. Usually first anyone has heard of it. Being such a sattvic

> and rejuvenative, serotonin enhancing food for postpartum, taking the

> time to " make them a convert " is worth it. Very valuable for many

> actually. Especially with how often natural health practitioners,

> lactation consultants and all are encouraged to blame milk first for

> many problems. Again, the way it is used as you know, may be the

> reason.

>

> Yes on the belly wrapping, whenever possible. It feels great. Some

> just don't get the fabric, and I've never made sales of product part of

> my work in any effective way - it would be good if we did have an

> inexpensive source for a set of them.

>

> The medicate smoke we haven't tried - do you mean yoni smoking or for

> immune protection? Yes on the latter for essential oils, very valuable!

> I know many women who would be happy to do the former also, I just never

> was given a protocol or saw the need. The things we do with mamas are

> so amazingly helpful without going into what sometimes seems endless

> number of details. Nature is so abundant with choices for health and

> restoring it, I see often that when we properly support with the right

> principles going, that's the key.

>

> There is an invite to possibly teach this work to women as part of a

> seva project for the Art of Living's Women Empowerment program in India.

> I've been reflecting on how we will have to adapt it to resources

> available and receive donations of supplies in order to help them adopt

> the principles into poor communities. It will be interesting!

>

> How amenable do you find people on the ideas (that translate to us into)

> protecting mother and child from vata aggravating like not running

> around too much after giving birth?

> There are some key ways of talking about a woman's needs and

> psychophysiological process which really gets their attention, including

> the " 42 Days for 42 Years " piece. We discuss this in detail in the

> first unit (and you will find them valuable on several of the test

> questions *o). Things also like, that a woman's psycho physiology is

> as delicate as her baby's during that time. Westerners, especially the

> dominance of pitta in our culture, will push their boundaries anyway,

> unless they are already personally scared of the PPMDs or other common

> postpartum problems.

>

> The program as I was taught adapted it to westerners by saying stay in

> at least 2 weeks if possible, and keep it easy for the next 4 as best

> you can. When doing frequent or daily care for the mothers, we are in

> conversation daily about what is going on, what bothers them, keys like

> experiencing any digestive or elimination discomforts, increases in

> bleeding, moods, difficulty sleeping, and how not only their routines

> and diet at home are affecting these things, but how outings can. Many

> need to experience how increase in activity increases their lochia or a

> clogged milk duct before they listen to you with a little deeper respect

> (for their process!).

>

> I often tell them that even tho they may have to go out to the doc or

> midwife, if they add in other errands they are pretty guaranteed a rough

> night, for mama and or baby, from the subtle nervous system sensitivity

> to stimulation. They will often test it and sheepishly down shift.

> Most don't mind a few ayurvedic words, though we don't have to use them.

> A few of the 20 (gunas) and other common sense, self referral ayurvedic

> explanations go a long way.

> I look forward to learning more,

> Eden

>

> Warm Regards,

> Ysha

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome Eden - and other new group members, please introduce yourselves as what

you wrote to apply for the group only I got to see!

 

Thank you for the discussion on Dhooma - love to hear what more you find.

Postpartum I'm sure they have very specific recipes.

 

The vaidyas have received so much training, many more hours than I - and seen so

many problems requiring their specially deep understanding of Ayurveda and

proper use of modalities, I'm sure they sometimes have difficulty sorting their

experience how each client needs different focus from the basics of sootika care

(postpartum).

 

We are very fortunate that the council of vaidyas around Maharishi Mahesh Yogi

years ago met and assigned two vaidyas to work with two women in the US with

natural childbirth focus, one a nurse also, to bring out key elements of the

kayakalpa care for postpartum into a package that would greatly and safely help

mothers and babies w/o being too esoteric or strange. Since that time I've had

good fortune to study with others in person, online and in my own research, to

enrich pieces of it and better be able to talk about it.

 

I agree, it is so important to talk about it, as there is much the prospective

client needs to understand, starting with benefits, and some plain language

ayurvedic principles, to want the care. So many do not even know it exists! I

found most of the women trained in this work are not so strong as teachers and

speakers, and felt the need to give attention there.

 

I've since found also, I cannot count the minutes or $'s, and get done what

needs to be done. So though I still live month to month without savings, the

work is finally moving forward better and being embraced by many more like you.

It may be foolish and something I keep thinking needs to change, and that will

be by the grace of God and my stars I suppose. THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING!

The teamwork is a very important piece.

 

Goats milk as students of RMIYA in Boulder and probably other places learn, has

a couple key differences from cow's milk. It is best used for kapha sometimes,

and later at best in first year or more if needed. I don't know when you

started on it, though the situation of a dairy animal in your backyard makes a

huge difference on it's benefits. Being lighter and more astringent it won't

give proper nourishment for a baby w/o other supplementation. Are you vata and

thin?

 

Goat's milk does NOT increase ojas the way good quality cow's milk does. (Those

who know about ojas know it is a precious component).

I still do not have a formula substitute with goat's milk that makes sense,

partly for this following reason too.

 

Most cow's milk.....pure ama, and the digestive issues you may have been raised

on with homogenization as well as pasteurization of even organic milk I've seen

create problems with babies. Please see article #4 on the ayurvedic approach to

milk for mothers and babies at http://sacredwindow.com/articles. Note the

boiling discussion also, surprising how different an effect from pasteurizing

temp on digestibility!

 

Raw milk straight from the cow well tested to be clean, that is probably very

different story, but once it is stored, I'm not so sure.

 

Yes, it was curious to me that Dr. Shrestha wanted me to take the proram back to

Nepal and teach her students and birth attendants. She is a specialist in

women's health and on postpartum, has trained vaidyas forher clinic, and works

with the midwives in her region. It will be interesting translation for sure if

I go. I've so resisted the long travel, maybe these two projects will get me

there yet.

 

The middle chapter in Dr. David Crowe's book, In Search of the Medicine Buddha,

features Dr. Shrestha and the conditions in Nepal around women's and children's

health, so it wasn't so much of a surprise to take their medicine back to them

after seeing the state of loss of their culture. We also invited her aunts in

Chicago to one of my classes so they could here someone else besides her tell

them the value of avoiding white sugar, cheap oils, and favoring ayurvedic

principles!

 

To be able to talk about whys of Ayurvedic practices makes a huge difference for

people. Some clients keep me longer than planned because of the potency of the

daily guidance and self-referral insights we can support with it. It is the

biggest reason I love Ayurveda - the self-referral self-validating nature of it

makes it such a creative living tradition.

 

Namaste -

 

Ysha

 

> Thanks Ysha for such clear and insightful answers. You can't imagine (or maybe

you can) the struggle we have had squeezing information about woman's health etc

out of our Indian Vaidya teachers. A breath of fresh air.

>

> Dhooma or medicated smoke seems to be a big thing post partum. However my

experience with it is general Dhoomapan (inhalation for dinacharya kapha

clearing and after nasya etc). It is said to counter the actions of Kaphic

activities (like sleeping during the day or doing ghee nasya or vomina). It

dries secretions, is astringent in

 

> The idea of taking usable and accessible avurveda back to India is

fascinating. There are certainly lots of ayurvedic influenced practices in

culture but I have no idea the level of knowledge about why things are done (the

principals). The knowledge seems to be help very tightly.

>

> Peace!

> Eden

[Guest guest]

I know Dr. Mercola has an infant formula using goats milk. And I've heard Dr.

Newman say goats milk has too high of a solute load for the kidneys, so I know

it needs to be modified quite a bit. Ysha, what about Mercola's formula using

part goats milk and part unpasteurized cows milk? Not exactly my area of

expertise though.I would rather find a wet nurse or get another mother to donate

milk, if there is any possibility. Vicky

Vicky York, IBCLC, CPD

Postpartum Care Services

www.vickyyorkdoula.com

 

 

references: www.ikarma.com/user/vmyork

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Vicky -

 

Im in total agreement with you. Combining the two doesn't sound like good

ayurvedic advice to me,and I don't know why he wants to do it. What else does

he put in there? I know he takes the counsel of the Weston Price folks, who

have lots of great stuff to contribute but I can't recommend anything I've seen

on infant formula from them.

 

I wonder what solute load means, specifically - any idea?

 

Ysha

 

> I know Dr. Mercola has an infant formula using goats milk. And I've heard Dr.

Newman say goats milk has too high of a solute load for the kidneys, so I know

it needs to be modified quite a bit. Ysha, what about Mercola's formula using

part goats milk and part unpasteurized cows milk? Not exactly my area of

expertise though.I would rather find a wet nurse or get another mother to donate

milk, if there is any possibility. Vicky

> Vicky York, IBCLC, CPD

> Postpartum Care Services

> www.vickyyorkdoula.com