Incontinence

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Drink a decoction of Cranesbill (Geranium maculatum) and Golden Seal (Hydrastis canadensis)

 

Don Quai

 

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TUNA BELLA

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Saturday, December 20, 2003 6:58 AM

[herbal remedies] incontinence

 

Does anyone have an herbal remedy for incontinence? Tuna

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Hi Mary Jane,

 

A decoction is used to turn roots, barks and other hard substances into a tea. Most herbs, being leaves and flowers, are infused. This means that hot water is poured over them and they are left to steep for 10 - 15 minutes. A decoction is used for the hard woody herbs (barks and roots maybe a few rocks) and is done by putting the herbs into boiling water and simmering for 20 minutes. This is what a decoction is.

 

What do you have in mind for your daughter bedwetting, if I may ask?

 

HTH,

 

Don Quai

 

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Mary Jane Taylor

herbal remedies

Saturday, December 20, 2003 8:24 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] incontinence

 

Don... what does "decoction" mean? One of my children has been a bedwetter for years. I want to try something that will help her.MJ¸.·°ˆˆ°·.¸§¸.·°ˆˆ°·.¸ ( Mary Jane )aicardisyndrome.org°.‹ ¸.·°ˆˆ°·.¸§¸.·°ˆˆ°·.¸ °•§ Hannah ) ° ‹ 10-26-93 › °Please note: message attached

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I would like to relate our experience with this problem.

Our dog a 12 yr old Australian chow mix was having problems getting around, going up stairs, etc. and could not hold her pee and would drip when and wherever. She would not do this on purpose as she was always very careful never to go in the house. Late summer of 2003 we switched her food to a raw diet (BARF) of bones and raw meat and vegies, with a herbal nutritional supplement. She improved dramatically. After several months though we noticed that she was having more incontinence problems, not as severe but still bad enough that we didn't want her in the house. So then we put her on one of Dr. Christophers formulas. We saw improvement immediently. This is what it is, and we give her a teaspoon in her food every night.

parsley leaf, juniper berries, marshmallow root,white pond lily (we couldn't get this so we used witchhazel bark) gravel root, uva ursi, lobelia, ginger root, black cohosh.

Rhonda

Cranberry Ridge Farm

Palmer Alaska

 

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TUNA BELLA

herbal remedies

Friday, December 19, 2003 8:58 PM

[herbal remedies] incontinence

Does anyone have an herbal remedy for incontinence? TunaFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

 

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Okay then here is a recipe of Dr. Christopher's.

 

1 ounce Uva Ursi (Arcostaphylos uva-ursi)

1/2 ounce White Poplar or Quaking Aspen bark (Populus tremuloides)

1/2 ounce Sumach Berries (Rhus glabra)

1/2 ounce Yarrow (Achillea millefolium)

 

Simmer in 1 quart of distilled water for 20 minutes (this is a decoction) and then strain when cooled.

 

Dosage is 3 tablespoons 3 times a day.

 

According to Dr. Christopher, don't expect miracles overnight. Most of the problem with bedwetting comes from when the child sleeps on his/her back. This puts pressure on the kidneys and irritates them causing the bedwetting.

 

You should be able to find all these herbs somewhere. Maybe even online at www.herbalcom.com or some such online apothecary. Or maybe you have an herb shop close to you.

 

HTH,

 

Don Quai

 

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Mary Jane Taylor

herbal remedies

Saturday, December 20, 2003 10:19 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] incontinence

 

I have nothing in mind! I know nothing about all this! I just wondered what if anything would help. She's struggled with this for years now and it knocks her out of things like sleepovers and such.MJ¸.·°ˆˆ°·.¸§¸.·°ˆˆ°·.¸ ( Mary Jane )aicardisyndrome.org°.‹ ¸.·°ˆˆ°·.¸§¸.·°ˆˆ°·.¸ °•§ Hannah ) ° ‹ 10-26-93 › °

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I dont have thoughts herbal wise...but personal wise I sure do. I had a total hysterectomy 2 years ago...I was put on Estrogen afterwards. Well last fall I started having the exact same problem..only I was 31 years old. My doc ran tests for all my hormones and my Estrogen, Estriol and type hormones all came back WAY toxic. I mean like quadruple the normal high. I went off of the Estrogen completely and within 3 months it had stopped completely. I am supposed to go back on the Estrogen half strength but I wont do it at this point. But the incontinence was thought to be from the high estrogen....just a thought!

 

tiffanyAJS <ajschwilling wrote:

Hi Guys, have a question:My daughter (13) has been having a problem with leaking urine when shelaughs hard and sometimes when waking up with a full bladder. She eatspretty well (for a teen) - semi-vegetarian but is a sugar fanatic. Besidesthis she is in excellent health. I was wondering if it could have somethingto do with hormones (she's close to starting menses I think) too much sugar,some sort of infection.....? There's no pain or discomfort - just leaking.Any thoughts/suggestions?JCFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

 

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Well, getting rid of the sugar would certainly be good for her overall health.

Try the kidney/bladder formula and tea in the files under Dr.IanShillington.

 

SuziAJS <ajschwilling wrote:

Hi Guys, have a question:My daughter (13) has been having a problem with leaking urine when shelaughs hard and sometimes when waking up with a full bladder. She eatspretty well (for a teen) - semi-vegetarian but is a sugar fanatic. Besidesthis she is in excellent health. I was wondering if it could have somethingto do with hormones (she's close to starting menses I think) too much sugar,some sort of infection.....? There's no pain or discomfort - just leaking.Any thoughts/suggestions?JCFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to

post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Hi Tiffany,

 

Check out the female formula in the files. This will be much better for you than anything the medicos will give you and is much more natural.

 

Don Quai

 

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Tiffany Schaibley

herbal remedies

Saturday, January 03, 2004 3:23 AM

Re: [herbal remedies] incontinence

 

I dont have thoughts herbal wise...but personal wise I sure do. I had a total hysterectomy 2 years ago...I was put on Estrogen afterwards. Well last fall I started having the exact same problem..only I was 31 years old. My doc ran tests for all my hormones and my Estrogen, Estriol and type hormones all came back WAY toxic. I mean like quadruple the normal

 

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trust me, I know. I havent taken anything in months. The only reason I know the level is down is because Ive started having hot flashes again. I wont be taking anymore prescription hormones after that episode.Don Quai <mysticalherbalist wrote:

 

Hi Tiffany,

 

Check out the female formula in the files. This will be much better for you than anything the medicos will give you and is much more natural.

 

Don Quai

 

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Tiffany Schaibley

herbal remedies

Saturday, January 03, 2004 3:23 AM

Re: [herbal remedies] incontinence

 

I dont have thoughts herbal wise...but personal wise I sure do. I had a total hysterectomy 2 years ago...I was put on Estrogen afterwards. Well last fall I started having the exact same problem..only I was 31 years old. My doc ran tests for all my hormones and my Estrogen, Estriol and type hormones all came back WAY toxic. I mean like quadruple the normal

 

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responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

 

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Actually yes, hormones can cause stress incontinence. Encourage her to try stevia, pure maple syrup or another natural organic sweetener in place of the refined junk. She should also start doing kegal (sp?) exercises, which is simply squeezing the sphincter muscles in your private areas tightly closed repeatedly.

 

Janet

 

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AJS

herbal remedies

Friday, January 02, 2004 6:18 PM

[herbal remedies] incontinence

Hi Guys, have a question:My daughter (13) has been having a problem with leaking urine when shelaughs hard and sometimes when waking up with a full bladder. She eatspretty well (for a teen) - semi-vegetarian but is a sugar fanatic. Besidesthis she is in excellent health. I was wondering if it could have somethingto do with hormones (she's close to starting menses I think) too much sugar,some sort of infection.....? There's no pain or discomfort - just leaking.Any thoughts/suggestions?JCFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

 

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Is she diabetic? Does she get UTI's? Taking cornsilk tea or tincture

before bed can help, as can tea from dill seeds. Unless she is

diabetic, then it is another thing entirely. You said she eats a lot

of sugar... how much?

 

herbal remedies , " AJS " <ajschwilling@e...>

wrote:

> Hi Guys, have a question:

> My daughter (13) has been having a problem with leaking urine when

she

> laughs hard and sometimes when waking up with a full bladder. She

eats

> pretty well (for a teen) - semi-vegetarian but is a sugar fanatic.

Besides

> this she is in excellent health. I was wondering if it could have

something

> to do with hormones (she's close to starting menses I think) too

much sugar,

> some sort of infection.....? There's no pain or discomfort - just

leaking.

> Any thoughts/suggestions?

> JC

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No, she's not diabetic. She probably doesn't eat as much sugar as the

average american teen but still way to much for my liking. She thinks she

has to have a sweet after every lunch and dinner (and usually gets something

small, like a couple of small cookies or candies) and balks at fruit as

being sweet. Grrrrr. She really does have awful cravings for sugar - has

been known to scoop it right out of the sugar bowl with a spoon and eating

it. yuck!

She does get UTI's occasionally, as did I when I was young, actually *much*

less - I had them almost constantly when I was her age.

JC

 

 

 

 

> Is she diabetic? Does she get UTI's? Taking cornsilk tea or tincture

> before bed can help, as can tea from dill seeds. Unless she is

> diabetic, then it is another thing entirely. You said she eats a lot

> of sugar... how much?

>

>

[Guest guest]

ok here is the dumb question....why do you have cookies and candies on hand ? Why not have fruits, veggie sticks, etc... Also, switch your sugar to stevia or a healthier sugar.

I am assuming that she is not buying the groceries here. And eventually she will have tooth decay problems...And by the time it shows up she'll had wished she listened to you.

SuziAJS <ajschwilling wrote:

No, she's not diabetic. She probably doesn't eat as much sugar as theaverage american teen but still way to much for my liking. She thinks shehas to have a sweet after every lunch and dinner (and usually gets somethingsmall, like a couple of small cookies or candies) and balks at fruit asbeing sweet. Grrrrr. She really does have awful cravings for sugar - hasbeen known to scoop it right out of the sugar bowl with a spoon and eatingit. yuck!

 

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THANK YOU...my MIL harps at me to no end because I dont keep junk in my house. She tells me my girls are going to develop a huge craving for suger because I never allow them to have it...lmao!!! I tell her they are learning proper eating habits...she says I am brainwashing them and it will bite me in the ass one day. She offers sweets to my 5 year old (at her home) and my 5 year old asks for an apple...se will then try to TALK my child into the sweets. Its so nice to hear someone else say WHY ....lol.

 

tiffanySuzanne <suziesgoats wrote:

 

ok here is the dumb question....why do you have cookies and candies on hand ? Why not have fruits, veggie sticks, etc... Also, switch your sugar to stevia or a healthier sugar.

I am assuming that she is not buying the groceries here. And eventually she will have tooth decay problems...And by the time it shows up she'll had wished she listened to you.

SuziAJS <ajschwilling wrote:

No, she's not diabetic. She probably doesn't eat as much sugar as theaverage american teen but still way to much for my liking. She thinks shehas to have a sweet after every lunch and dinner (and usually gets somethingsmall, like a couple of small cookies or candies) and balks at fruit asbeing sweet. Grrrrr. She really does have awful cravings for sugar - hasbeen known to scoop it right out of the sugar bowl with a spoon and eatingit. yuck!

 

 

Find out what made the Top Searches of 2003 Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of

NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

 

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Not a dumb question at all. I'm kinda outnumbered six to one there - five

kids and a hubby who think sweets are a necessary part of the human diet.

The kids don't shop but the hubby sure can!<g> So all I can really do is

damage control and not let the kids totally pig out on them. I'm working on

getting some substitutes worked in - stevia and honey for baked stuff. I

know honey is still pure sugar but at least its better than the refined

white stuff if figure. I'm looking into other subs. too. These sugar

experts can usually taste substitutes a mile away. Again, the kids I can

tell to deal with it for their own good, but I need to get hubby on the same

page to make it work - working on that too!

JC = )

 

 

 

 

> ok here is the dumb question....why do you have cookies and candies on

hand ? Why not have fruits, veggie sticks, etc... Also, switch your sugar to

stevia or a healthier sugar.

> I am assuming that she is not buying the groceries here. And eventually

she will have tooth decay problems...And by the time it shows up she'll had

wished she listened to you.

> Suzi

>

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Oh yeah - can't forget about relatives who think its their job during visits

to stuff as much sugar possible down the throats of our *poor,* *poor,*

children who's mom is trying to deprive them of the stuff of life!

JC = )

 

 

 

> THANK YOU...my MIL harps at me to no end because I dont keep junk in my

house. She tells me my girls are going to develop a huge craving for suger

because I never allow them to have it...lmao!!! I tell her they are

learning proper eating habits...she says I am brainwashing them and it will

bite me in the ass one day. She offers sweets to my 5 year old (at her

home) and my 5 year old asks for an apple...se will then try to TALK my

child into the sweets. Its so nice to hear someone else say WHY ....lol.

>

> tiffany

[Guest guest]

ok... have you tried with the hubby about future dental bills??? Their teeth are still growing...so to speak.. maybe that will help... or how sugar contributes to obesity.. or diabetes, ... you need to do some research and present hubby with some facts it sounds like....

check out http://www.living-foods.com/index.shtml This might help with recipes for you.

 

SuziAJS <ajschwilling wrote:

Not a dumb question at all. I'm kinda outnumbered six to one there - fivekids and a hubby who think sweets are a necessary part of the human diet.The kids don't shop but the hubby sure can! So all I can really do isdamage control and not let the kids totally pig out on them. I'm working ongetting some substitutes worked in - stevia and honey for baked stuff. Iknow honey is still pure sugar but at least its better than the refinedwhite stuff if figure. I'm looking into other subs. too. These sugarexperts can usually taste substitutes a mile away. Again, the kids I cantell to deal with it for their own good, but I need to get hubby on the samepage to make it work - working on that too!JC = )> ok here is the dumb question....why do you have cookies and candies onhand ? Why not have fruits, veggie sticks, etc... Also,

switch your sugar tostevia or a healthier sugar.> I am assuming that she is not buying the groceries here. And eventuallyshe will have tooth decay problems...And by the time it shows up she'll hadwished she listened to you.> Suzi>Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health,

and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Dear Nitya,

 

 

 

Anal area including the sphincter is called Guda. This one of the marmas. Any

trauma in this area may lead to incontinence. This occurs due to shaithilya

(looseness) of mamsa dhatu –as Ysha has mentioned. In your case, it seems

that some of the muscle fibers may have been torn. There are some ways to

repair these fibers. Also, there is one more approach to treat this

problem, which is to try and strengthen the remaining muscle fibers. Both

of these can be achieved with (1) special diet (2) Internal medications (3)

panchakarma including basti, yonidhavan, and uttarbasti if needed (4)

exercises. Surgery should be considered only if inevitable.

 

 

 

The partition between vaginal wall and rectum is very thin and is likely to

be injured by the trauma during birth, episiotomy, or forceps delivery. I

am not sure that you have a fistula though.

 

 

 

Dr. Thite

 

cmthite

 

 

 

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dear dr.thite:

namaskar.

what is yonidhavan and what herbs are used for this?

many thanks

aparna khanolkar

postpartum ayur-doula

 

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Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:33 PM

PerinatalAyurveda forum Incontinence

 

 

Dear Nitya,

 

 

 

Anal area including the sphincter is called Guda. This one of the marmas.

Any

trauma in this area may lead to incontinence. This occurs due to shaithilya

(looseness) of mamsa dhatu -as Ysha has mentioned. In your case, it seems

that some of the muscle fibers may have been torn. There are some ways to

repair these fibers. Also, there is one more approach to treat this

problem, which is to try and strengthen the remaining muscle fibers. Both

of these can be achieved with (1) special diet (2) Internal medications (3)

panchakarma including basti, yonidhavan, and uttarbasti if needed (4)

exercises. Surgery should be considered only if inevitable.

 

 

 

The partition between vaginal wall and rectum is very thin and is likely to

be injured by the trauma during birth, episiotomy, or forceps delivery. I

am not sure that you have a fistula though.

 

 

 

Dr. Thite

 

cmthite

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much!! Do you know which herbs would be best to use? I am seeing an

Ayurvedic intuit, Eric Eisen. I'm curious, what is yonidhavan, and uttarbasti?

I saw that Ysha also recc's basti's in her book and I didn't know one could do

it so soon after birth but I am considering doing some sesame ones myself. I did

do the Mother Baby massage for almost 2 weeks and then once a week after that

for 5 weeks so I felt like I really took it easy but I haven't been as in

control of my diet as I was last time. I should just simplify probably and eat a

lot of rice and dahl. The baby gets gas from many foods when I vascilate much

from my diet but I've had a hard time being disciplined. She has a horrible eye

infection now too...does anyone know anything good Ayurvedically for that? I was

thinking Ghee or a triphala wash but didn't know if that's too harsh for babies.

I checked out my innards with another surgeon and all he could see for sure is

that there's no wall between the sphincter and vagina. That must've gotten

blasted with this birth and there is almost no perennium...maybe a cm or two is

all so you can see the sphincter when you look in the vagina. Scary! I'm still

too frightened to venture into sex...it's probably ok though.

He was such a nice guy though and made me feel a lot better about the situation.

I do want to do surgary as a last resort but it seems that's the only way to get

the wall back. Maybe with bhastis and oils though I can heal the sphincter tears

(if there really is one- as that doctor thought.) I don't think there's

communication between the two but am not for sure. It does feel like gas passes

through and diarhea but it's hard to tell since the vagina is so close to the

rectal hole now. I'm going to take some candida vaginal suppositories so

hopefully that'll keep everything clean and also keep oiling the area. I can't

remember the mix that Chandi made me from young living oils last time to heal

but I still have it so I will use that and Claraderm. I was able to really

strengthen the area after Isha but it took a few years. In this case though I

feel like there's only so much I can do naturally because I will need a

perennium and it doesn't just grow back and I need that vaginal wall too. The

doctor, Red Alinsod, also recc'd Vaginalplasty to tighten the whole thing and

get ride of the whoopie cushion feeling but I'm not convinced I need this. I'm

still hopefull that if I do enough kegals and exercise I can manage this. I know

a lot of women with 2 kids that say they're still very tight.

Is Vaginitis candida basically? The doctor said I have this and wants me to use

a soy based estrogen cream. Do you know of something more natural I could do? I

drink tons of fennugreen fennel tea and eat the herbs but apparently this is not

enough....

Thanks so much everyone for your support, prayers and input!

 

Blessings,

Nitya

 

ayurveda , cm thite <cmthite wrote:

>

> Dear Nitya,

>

>

>

> Anal area including the sphincter is called Guda. This one of the marmas.

Any

> trauma in this area may lead to incontinence. This occurs due to shaithilya

> (looseness) of mamsa dhatu –as Ysha has mentioned. In your case, it seems

> that some of the muscle fibers may have been torn. There are some ways to

> repair these fibers. Also, there is one more approach to treat this

> problem, which is to try and strengthen the remaining muscle fibers. Both

> of these can be achieved with (1) special diet (2) Internal medications (3)

> panchakarma including basti, yonidhavan, and uttarbasti if needed (4)

> exercises. Surgery should be considered only if inevitable.

>

>

>

> The partition between vaginal wall and rectum is very thin and is likely to

> be injured by the trauma during birth, episiotomy, or forceps delivery. I

> am not sure that you have a fistula though.

>

>

>

> Dr. Thite

>

> cmthite

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yonidhvan is vaginal washing with herbal tea or medicated oils. Uttarbasti

it is given into the uterus, probably not indicated in your case. You can

also do pichudharan with Chukra tailam and mooshak tailam. Pichudharan is a

kind of vaginal pessary, actually a cotton ball soaked in tailam (oil) or

ghrita (ghee). Avagaha (sitz bath) with herbal decoctions is also helpful.

You may consider using herbs such as shatavari, bala, ashoka, lodhra,

yashtimadhu, etc. These should be used according to dosha imbalance. I

have seen wonderful things happening with Ayurvedic treatments in similar

patients (urinary incontinence) and even surgery could be avoided.

Furthermore,

even if surgery is done, you can use Ayurvedic treatment modalities for

further strengthening and healing of the perineal area. This of course is a

long-term procedure.

 

 

 

<<She has a horrible eye infection now too...does anyone know anything good

Ayurvedically for that? I was thinking Ghee or a triphala wash but didn't

know if that's too harsh for babies.>>

 

 

 

You can wipe the baby’s eyes with triphala/yashtimadhu tea or ghee whichever

is suitable according to dosha.

 

 

 

<<Is Vaginitis candida basically? The doctor said I have this and wants me

to use a soy based estrogen cream.>>

 

 

 

Vaginitis is not necessarily always candida. Ayurvedically, dryness is a

symptom of vata, burning is due to pitta, and sticky discharge is due to

kapha. You can use the herbs according to Ayurvedic diagnosis.

 

Dr. Thite

cmthite

 

 

 

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Dear Ysha and Nitya,

 

I highly recommend you contact a Vaidya in LA, Dr. R.K. Mishra. He has some

amazing creams for both the vaginal tissues and anal area, that would

powerfully augment whatever healing protocol you choose. They are called

Transdermal Creams, and were formulated to work on the marmas...and general

areas. There purpose is to bring massive amounts of prana to the area,

deliver the herbs directly through the skin and return the intelligence to

the tissue/system...all which it sounds like you are interested in doing. My

own personal healing story with these, my broken, post-surgury foot wasn't

recovering properly and much pain after 2 years...used 2 specific creams 2x

daily, after a few months...no pain, crazy scar was eliminated , AND somehow

the bunion I had on that foot is gone and flat as a pancake, still have one

on the other foot.

Specifically, there is a Guda Oil for the anal area, I know he has developed

a cream to use internaly as a bolis, and he may recommend something swiped

on the lower spine, b/c it then goes to all the organs/areas connected with

that area of the spine. There are other herbs to balance your hormones. The

number in LA is 1-818/709-1005, or you can contact me if you have any

questions. Good luck on healing this issue Nitya!

 

Oh BTW, for triphala eye washes, there is no need to suffer with harsh

direct eye wash. Still filter triphala tea carefully with organic coffee

filter, but dip in organic cotton ball and swipe the closed lids. It feels

like heaven! instead of suffering. Our lids are so thin and easily

penetrated. Make sure the triphala you use has wild amalaki, since most

commercial formulas used hybrid amalaki.

 

Much love and blessings,

Nancy

 

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:37 PM, nityarawal <nityarawal wrote:

 

>

>

> Thanks so much!! Do you know which herbs would be best to use? I am seeing

> an Ayurvedic intuit, Eric Eisen. I'm curious, what is yonidhavan, and

> uttarbasti?

> I saw that Ysha also recc's basti's in her book and I didn't know one could

> do it so soon after birth but I am considering doing some sesame ones

> myself. I did do the Mother Baby massage for almost 2 weeks and then once a

> week after that for 5 weeks so I felt like I really took it easy but I

> haven't been as in control of my diet as I was last time. I should just

> simplify probably and eat a lot of rice and dahl. The baby gets gas from

> many foods when I vascilate much from my diet but I've had a hard time being

> disciplined. She has a horrible eye infection now too...does anyone know

> anything good Ayurvedically for that? I was thinking Ghee or a triphala wash

> but didn't know if that's too harsh for babies.

> I checked out my innards with another surgeon and all he could see for sure

> is that there's no wall between the sphincter and vagina. That must've

> gotten blasted with this birth and there is almost no perennium...maybe a cm

> or two is all so you can see the sphincter when you look in the vagina.

> Scary! I'm still too frightened to venture into sex...it's probably ok

> though.

> He was such a nice guy though and made me feel a lot better about the

> situation. I do want to do surgary as a last resort but it seems that's the

> only way to get the wall back. Maybe with bhastis and oils though I can heal

> the sphincter tears (if there really is one- as that doctor thought.) I

> don't think there's communication between the two but am not for sure. It

> does feel like gas passes through and diarhea but it's hard to tell since

> the vagina is so close to the rectal hole now. I'm going to take some

> candida vaginal suppositories so hopefully that'll keep everything clean and

> also keep oiling the area. I can't remember the mix that Chandi made me from

> young living oils last time to heal but I still have it so I will use that

> and Claraderm. I was able to really strengthen the area after Isha but it

> took a few years. In this case though I feel like there's only so much I can

> do naturally because I will need a perennium and it doesn't just grow back

> and I need that vaginal wall too. The doctor, Red Alinsod, also recc'd

> Vaginalplasty to tighten the whole thing and get ride of the whoopie cushion

> feeling but I'm not convinced I need this. I'm still hopefull that if I do

> enough kegals and exercise I can manage this. I know a lot of women with 2

> kids that say they're still very tight.

> Is Vaginitis candida basically? The doctor said I have this and wants me to

> use a soy based estrogen cream. Do you know of something more natural I

> could do? I drink tons of fennugreen fennel tea and eat the herbs but

> apparently this is not enough....

> Thanks so much everyone for your support, prayers and input!

>

> Blessings,

> Nitya

>

> ayurveda <ayurveda%40>,

> cm thite <cmthite wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nitya,

> >

> >

> >

> > Anal area including the sphincter is called Guda. This one of the marmas.

> Any

> > trauma in this area may lead to incontinence. This occurs due to

> shaithilya

> > (looseness) of mamsa dhatu –as Ysha has mentioned. In your case, it seems

> > that some of the muscle fibers may have been torn. There are some ways to

> > repair these fibers. Also, there is one more approach to treat this

> > problem, which is to try and strengthen the remaining muscle fibers. Both

> > of these can be achieved with (1) special diet (2) Internal medications

> (3)

> > panchakarma including basti, yonidhavan, and uttarbasti if needed (4)

> > exercises. Surgery should be considered only if inevitable.

> >

> >

> >

> > The partition between vaginal wall and rectum is very thin and is likely

> to

> > be injured by the trauma during birth, episiotomy, or forceps delivery. I

> > am not sure that you have a fistula though.

> >

> >

> >

> > Dr. Thite

> >

> > cmthite

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Nancy, Nitya -

 

Dr. Mishra is vaidya in lineage of vaidyas in his family for many generations,

and doing such wonderful work. You will love him, Nitya, if you haven't met

yet. He feels to have gone thru major personal transformation since the era he

was working with Maharishi Ayurveda, is quite a sattvic lighthouse also. I

didn't know he lived in LA area, thought it was Michigan or Canada for some

reason.

 

Ysha

[Guest guest]

Nitya and group members FYI

 

Most of these herbs are available from Banyan (by 1/2 or 1 lb bulk) and other

sources we know to be clean. Yashtimadhu is licorice root. I have forgotten

what is lodhra.

 

> You may consider using herbs such as shatavari, bala, ashoka, lodhra,

yashtimadhu, etc. These should be used according to dosha

 

The ayurvedic approach as Dr. Thite pointed out, is very supportive to the

tissues by using doshic and (20) gunas (properties) of the herb alone, even

before you get to their identified special tendencies (prabhavas, or unexplained

properties). Most of the effects of a substance can be understood in those

terms, the 20 gunas which have their doshic effects. This means, we can see

even whether they will work say, for tissue knitting or cleansing or

antimicrobial or liver etc, we can look at them that way and find support very

well. Nature is not only filled with wonderful mystery, she is filled with

common sense. And she is abundant with options that way - ayurvedic traditional

herbs or western herbs can be evaluated this way also.

 

All that sort of philosophical round-about to explain there is much safety in

the common sense of Ayurveda, looking at what properties your tissues are in

excess or depleted with, using what is available to create balance. For more

complex situations like this, and to engage the wisdom of marma channels and

layering the important role of prana yes, a vaidya's direct attention and

expertise will speed the process blissedly.

 

Love,

Ysha

[Guest guest]

Nitya - Eric's gifts are special though the experience and training in medical

ayurveda sounds more of service now, as it is not just about herbs, but

administration procedures.

 

The postpartum basti is usually 7 days after the first 10 (add 10days to 2 weeks

more after a C birth). And very small, as you know, the 1/3 cup sesame oil is

the standard. That amount is very gentle, soothing, nourishing, and a good way

to administer herbal and essential oil influences as needed. The default I was

taught and use is bala decoction in sesame.

 

We ahve spoken of this on the forum before, and one of our vaidya members

offered that sometimes even that much oil can be contraindicated when the agni

is really compromised still, as we do absorb much of it sometimes. Of course I

let my clients decide if they want it, and as legally we cannot administer w/o

medical licensure, they give themselves before bedtime.

 

It sounds like with your complications especially, and in any case daily

abhyanga and soak in the tub is going to really support you also. Am assuming

when you say you did the mOther Baby massge, that you received that many

treatments for yourself from a trained Ayurvedic doula?

 

As you can tell, the dietary piece does make a big difference for much more than

2 weeks - I hope you are able to find supportive Undoubtedly you need much more

than rice and dhal, and maybe we should talk on phone about this to clarify and

tweak it! Can do Monday afternoon, drop me a quick call re your timing.

 

>I haven't been as in control of my diet as I was last time. I should just

simplify probably and eat a lot of rice and dahl. The baby gets gas from many

foods when I vascilate much from my diet but I've had a hard time being

disciplined.

 

Washing baby's eyes with fresh breast milk often thru the day (do both) is a

traditional way even adults address conjunctivitis, according to Dr. Shrestha.

IN the meantime, you have lavender and melaleuca ericafolia essential oils?

I've put one on baby's feet the other on chest/upper back, then drop lavender on

cotton ball near baby when sleeping also, and seen infant conjunctivitis clear

overnight.

 

> I checked out my innards with another surgeon and all he could see ... Scary!

I'm still too frightened to venture into sex...it's probably ok though.

 

I'd be very cautious, and feel same way! I definitely would not engage in

intercourse until the perineumm is stronger, if I were you.

 

> He was such a nice guy though and made me feel a lot better about the

situation. I do want to do surgary as a last resort but it seems that's the only

way to get the wall back.

 

It is true, as Dr.Thite has so kindly shared of his experience, the MDs are not

experienced with natural methods which support the tissues' ability to heal.

 

>I'm going to take some candida vaginal suppositories so hopefully that'll keep

everything clean and also keep oiling the area. I can't remember the mix that

Chandi made me from young living oils last time to heal but I still have it so I

will use that and Claraderm.

 

Yes, I would be doing an herbal/essential oil laced tailam (herbalized oil)

rather than the medical suppositories which are so aggressive and not supportive

to the tissue intelligence. Dr. Claudia Welsch, ayurvedic and chinese physician

who teaches at the Ayurvedic Institute and a wonderful class on Women's health,

has had great success clearing vaginal candida with pessaries (as you and I have

discussed?) little soft cloth soaked in oil (she may use coconut or sesame) and

melaleuca artinifolia (the more common one; but take care with quality). It or

other oils of choice by details of the condition, doshic/gunas will address more

than candida, has a broad spectrum antimicrobial property. the carrier oil

protects the inivitable vata from birth and all these traumas. I'd favor myrrh

as you know, which the Essential OIls Desk Reference suggests as an alt for

" vaginal infection " to the melaleuca (or Melrose blend, which includes rosemary

et al). They put myrhh with oregano and thyme, as well as suggesting some

douche recipes, diluted with a Tbs thick carrier oil.

 

> Is Vaginitis candida basically?

 

Anytime you see " -itis " means irritation which has some inflammatory thing

happening, some pitta involvement also. can be from multiple causes.

 

>The doctor said I have this and wants me to use a soy based estrogen cream.

 

I don't know why he gives this. If estrogen is low, we have options there

depending on agni, what else you are doing, and your preferred mode of taking,

but already you have so many practitioners, I don't want to suggest " adding " one

more thing - a full picture reassessment is wiser and simpler.

 

Do you know of something more natural I could do? I drink tons of fennugreen

fennel tea and eat the herbs but apparently this is not enough....

 

The FF tea has no influence directly on this condition, except when taken weak

(1/2 tsp mix to a quart water) in tea, it helps hydrate and alkalize being 2/3

fennel. That is good for you, but not medicine for this condition. Similarly

taking lots of herb pills, or for that matter, oral antibiotics - consider what

it takes to deliver their effects to that specific area. More direct

applications are indicated.

 

It must be very confusing having so many sources of advice, Nitya. We are

honored you are sharing here, it is good education for many, and hope this

doesn't confuse further.

 

Warmly,

Ysha

[Guest guest]

has anyone heard of something admininstered in Nepal that is pronounced

something like " BE-long) that reduces over supply of breastmilk?

 

Vicky York, IBCLC, CPD

Postpartum Care Services

www.vickyyorkdoula.com

 

 

references: www.ikarma.com/user/vmyork

 

 

 

 

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