Guest guest Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 I have just received a request to make belly wraps for postnatal women. The enquirer gave me some samples of Indonesian Jamu powders. They contain ingredients like ginger, turmeric, sandalwood, camphor, and cinnamon. Two of the listed ingredients are problematic: * Saussurea lappa (Kushta) of which international trade is prohibited because it is endangered * Paederia scandens or foetida (gandhaprasarini) which I don't think is available in New Zealand Do any of you know of suitable substitutes? What do you recommend as a herbal wrap, using ayurvedic or western herbs? Many thanks, Gerald Lopez Auckland, New Zealand www.ScienceOfLife.co.nz <http://scienceoflife.co.nz> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Namaste Gerald - Will you be making them for sale or specifically for one client? The powders are an improvement on any I've used - we do find excellent results just with a good use of the wrapping, though I can immagine this will accelerate rejuvenative processes nicely. You may find info from Robin Lim if you can contact her in Indonesia I beleive is wehre her family is based. She is an midwife/activist with hmm, less Ayurveda than she thinks, but some good exposure and service to its use. Looking forward to hearing from others on this interesting topic. Best - Ysha > I have just received a request to make belly wraps for postnatal women. The enquirer gave me some samples of Indonesian Jamu powders. They contain ingredients like ginger, turmeric, sandalwood, camphor, and cinnamon. Two of the listed ingredients are problematic: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Dear Ysha, Lovely to hear from you - its been a while since we have spoken! Yes, the request was from a colleague who gives pregnancy massage and yoga, and offers postnatal treatments such as these wraps. She makes a paste from the Jamu powders, mixing with water or lemon juice, then applying to abdomen. It is then covered with Clingfilm (plastic food wrap, not sure whether I like that!) for several hours. She now wants a substitute as she doesn't want to import CITES-restricted products. What do you wrap with? Cotton calico or muslin? Do you do fomentation with hot damp towels (pinda sveda)? And of course nice ayurvedic oils such as warmed balashwagandha would, I am sure, be helpful too. Best regards, Gerald Auckland, New Zealand www.ScienceOfLife.co.nz <http://scienceoflife.co.nz> ayurveda , " Ysha Oakes " <AyurDoulas wrote: > > Namaste Gerald - > > Will you be making them for sale or specifically for one client? The > powders are an improvement on any I've used - we do find excellent > results just with a good use of the wrapping, though I can immagine > this will accelerate rejuvenative processes nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Hi Gerald - Forgive the delay. I have not worked with powders or special applications aside from the wrap itself. I suggest mothers find either new or old, about 5 yards of lightest weight muslin or or an old cotton dhoti, or take a w0rn out cotton lightweight sari and make about 5 strips lengthwise. A little hemming makes much nicer washes, of course, and prettier fabric can be worn on outside of clothing if Mom wishes, I've seen them advertised/sold that way even with hooks for closure (much less fabric). IN any case, if the Mom is involved in the wrapping demo, she gets the hang of it pretty quickly, by what feels good. Fairly snug, and wrap a little diagonal for a couple rounds to take in opposite upper and lower hip area as well as directly accross lower and mid belly. Feels wonderful. I just tuck, some like a pin, or the fasteners if you can find those. Dr. Shrestha's grandmother wore this all her life, had superb posture and digestion and elimination all her life, all the way to her passing in 90s. I found it particularly comforting in part of my menopausal time. I hope your friend helps mothers minimize outings to get these treatments in the first 6 weeks or so? I've very curious about the lemon effect (feeling cold temp especially!) and why. The plastic wrap is a big turnoff, with what we know about xenoestrogen leaching, especially with oils and acidics in contact, right? Sounds like she does use heat though, that is good. Where does her tradition come from? The mother has had multiple oil massage strokes on her belly twice during the treatment, often it is just that, ashwagandha and bala decocted into the sesame oil. We often also add other suitable herbs in combinaton. Our mothers also receive heat treatments before, during, and after her hot oil application, including hot water bottles on abdomen and lower back (or as needed) while she takes a 1/2 hour minimum rest before soaking in the hot bath for 20 min or longer. We would of course love to hear more from you on this - sounds like you are doing some good homework around it and learning from multiple traditions. Namaste! Ysha > Lovely to hear from you - its been a while since we have spoken! > > Yes, the request was from a colleague who gives pregnancy massage and yoga, and offers postnatal treatments such as these wraps. She makes a paste from the Jamu powders, mixing with water or lemon juice, then applying to abdomen. It is then covered with Clingfilm (plastic food wrap, not sure whether I like that!) for several hours. She now wants a substitute as she doesn't want to import CITES-restricted products. > > What do you wrap with? Cotton calico or muslin? Do you do fomentation with hot damp towels (pinda sveda)? > > And of course nice ayurvedic oils such as warmed balashwagandha would, I am sure, be helpful too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2008 Report Share Posted December 9, 2008 Oh yes, so that's about 12 inches wide. A couple to be in the wash with the other oily linens from self or doula administered ayurvedic warm oil abhyanga, one to wear, one to loose track of (forgetfulness being such a common vata symptom especially) and one to give a friend! Wear ideally most of the day and night for a few weeks. Supports the body's organs to find their place and reestablish proper connective tissues, digest or eliminate better, and for tummy to regain shape faster. Wrap after massage before resting in bed, with hot water bottle or some such. Adding the powders at that time would be lovely - she bathes after that. Namaste - Ysha > either new or old, about 5 yards of lightest weight muslin or or an > old cotton dhoti, or take a w0rn out cotton lightweight sari and make about 5 strips lengthwise. A little hemming makes much nicer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2008 Report Share Posted December 11, 2008 Thanks for the fantastic information Ysha! I'll pass the information on to my colleague. BTW I think her " tradition " is eclectic, although she is a yoga teacher. I think she is doing great work increasing awareness about perinatal care. She offers pregnancy massage and is becoming very popular here in Auckland. I think I will make the paste powder from ginger, cinnamon, turmeric, and dashamula (10 roots). * Ginger is warming and vata-pacifying * Cinnamon is sweet and warm, and is a complexion-improver (varnya) * Turmeric is warm and astringent, helping regain muscle and skin tone * Dashamula is vata-pacifying and traditionally given to post-partum women Will let you know how this works. Best regards, Gerald Auckland, New Zealand www.ScienceOfLife.co.nz <http://scienceoflife.co.nz> ayurveda , " Ysha Oakes " <AyurDoulas wrote: > > Hi Gerald - > > Forgive the delay. I have not worked with powders or special > applications aside from the wrap itself. I suggest mothers find > either new or old, about 5 yards of lightest weight muslin or or an > old cotton dhoti, or take a w0rn out cotton lightweight sari and make > about 5 strips lengthwise. A little hemming makes much nicer washes, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 Hi Gerald - Sounds good, as long as the wrap is done in a limited kind of time frame. That's thinking about " civilized women " and how the messiness of turmeric doesn't appeal on the skin. The herbs below ginger and cinnamon will help with circulation of course, which is valuable at this time too. It does sound like your friend is one of those who would rather use what she has with common sense in a " front line " positioning with the public. Where most people get exposed and started on their journey into natural medicine's many gifts. Fun to share with you! Best - Ysha > Thanks for the fantastic information Ysha! I'll pass the information on to my colleague. BTW I think her " tradition " is eclectic, although she is a yoga teacher. I think she is doing great work increasing awareness about perinatal care. She offers pregnancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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