Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Dear AyurDoulas and Dr.Thite, Shreya is now 6.5 months old and is doing well overall. I would like to seek some help on some minor issues. She is on formula, breast milk and solid food which is either Raagi ( (millet ? ) based porridge ) or soupy Dal with Hing and Ghee. Our wonderful pediatrician did suggest the use of Hing and Ghee to the Dal. 1) Right eye infection: Shreya has been having a flow of thick sticky puss like liquid off and on because of her tear duct blockage. The Pediatrician has recommended a massage near that area and warned us if the discharge does not stop she may have to go see an Opthalmologist! Please suggest any alternatives. 2) Shreya has completely stopped drinking from the breast when she is awake. She drinks from the breast only when feeling sleepy and the breasts are full. Even the best lactation consulant in town could not help.I'm not blaming the LC here. We think its due to fact that Shreya was bottle fed in the NICU for like 4 days after birth. Should we give up on Shreya directly feeding from the Mommy ? 3) We usually massage Shreya with Dabur " enriched " baby olive oil ( Available in Indian grocery stores )and then wash off with Besan ( chick pea flour )paste. The label says its " 100% pure Besan " . But Shreya has developed some red spots on her chest and rough dry skin in the calf area. Should we resort to baby soap or there are any alternatives ? Thanks and regards, Jai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Jai: You could dip a Q-tip in some warm breast milk and gently massage her tear duct with, like only about 3 rotations in each eye, but several times a day. Even just a drop of breastmilk directly in each eye, it is loaded with antibodies. That she won't nurse isn't just because she got bottles in the nicu for 4 days, but because she continued to get more bottles than breast since that time. I have heard of adopted babies, who have only gotten bottles, accept the breast in time from their adoptive moms. But there has to be some reward in the form of milk, either the mom's breastmilk, or milk in a supplemental nursing system.Ask the lactation consultant about it. If nothing else, just keep offering it to her in her sleep, who knows, she may change her mind one day when the breast is full and taking it when awake. Often babies get eczema on the back of the calf, due to general allergies, it is so common. Usually moisturizer of some kind on the body all the time is all you can do and she may outgrow it. Olive oil, or sesame oil or some other (not nut oil) and don't use mineral oil, which is very drying. Vicky York, IBCLC, CPD Postpartum Care Services Portland, Oregon http://mypeoplepc.com/members/vmyork/ http://vmyork.ikarma.com/id269 - desert_thought ayurveda Thursday, May 22, 2008 2:57 PM PerinatalAyurveda forum Baby Shreya @ 6.5 months Dear AyurDoulas and Dr.Thite, Shreya is now 6.5 months old and is doing well overall. I would like to seek some help on some minor issues. She is on formula, breast milk and solid food which is either Raagi ( (millet ? ) based porridge ) or soupy Dal with Hing and Ghee. Our wonderful pediatrician did suggest the use of Hing and Ghee to the Dal. 1) Right eye infection: Shreya has been having a flow of thick sticky puss like liquid off and on because of her tear duct blockage. The Pediatrician has recommended a massage near that area and warned us if the discharge does not stop she may have to go see an Opthalmologist! Please suggest any alternatives. 2) Shreya has completely stopped drinking from the breast when she is awake. She drinks from the breast only when feeling sleepy and the breasts are full. Even the best lactation consulant in town could not help.I'm not blaming the LC here. We think its due to fact that Shreya was bottle fed in the NICU for like 4 days after birth. Should we give up on Shreya directly feeding from the Mommy ? 3) We usually massage Shreya with Dabur " enriched " baby olive oil ( Available in Indian grocery stores )and then wash off with Besan ( chick pea flour )paste. The label says its " 100% pure Besan " . But Shreya has developed some red spots on her chest and rough dry skin in the calf area. Should we resort to baby soap or there are any alternatives ? Thanks and regards, Jai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Hi, Iam not a professional but a mom of 3 year old boy and 1 year old girl. So with my experience as a mom I am giving these suggestions. My son had tear duct blockage for 9 months after his birth. We used to massage the area between nose and tear duct daily a few times. He had it till he was 9 months old but after that blockage is gone. Our doctor said they would have to do a minor surgery in case he has it even after one year. My daughter has the same skin condition from two weeks after her birth. Her elbows, calfs, back, almmost the whole body used to be sooo dry. Ayurveda doctor asked me to apply olive oil on her body 4 to 5 times a day or whenever we feel her skin is dry. He advised us not to use any type of soaps, shampoos, moisturisers or any types of chemicals on her body. She is used to get red spots even if I used Besan for bathing her, so he advised to use plain water for her bath. We dont use any soaps,powders etc. for her bath. I am giving her bath with just plain water for the past 7 months and she looks clean and healthy. I apply olive oil after her bath. I give her massage with coconut oil since it has cooling effect on the body. For her head bath I use shikai powder. The doctor said that the dry skin was caused due to impurities in the blood. So he suggested me to do this daily. Take two to three spoons of ghee everyday and put 10 pepper corns in it and boil the ghee until the peppers are roasted. Remove the peppers from the ghee and use the ghee for the baby. He said if we do this 40 days there would be lot of improvement in the skin condition and blood will be purified. We can dry the pepper and powder it and use it afterwards. On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 3:27 AM, desert_thought <desert_thought wrote: > Dear AyurDoulas and Dr.Thite, > > Shreya is now 6.5 months old and is doing well overall. I would like > to seek some help on some minor issues. She is on formula, breast milk > and solid food which is either Raagi ( (millet ? ) based porridge ) or > soupy Dal with Hing and Ghee. Our wonderful pediatrician did suggest > the use of Hing and Ghee to the Dal. > > 1) Right eye infection: Shreya has been having a flow of thick sticky > puss like liquid off and on because of her tear duct blockage. The > Pediatrician has recommended a massage near that area and warned us > if the discharge does not stop she may have to go see an > Opthalmologist! Please suggest any alternatives. > > 2) Shreya has completely stopped drinking from the breast when she is > awake. She drinks from the breast only when feeling sleepy and the > breasts are full. Even the best lactation consulant in town could not > help.I'm not blaming the LC here. We think its due to fact that Shreya > was bottle fed in the NICU for like 4 days after birth. Should we give > up on Shreya directly feeding from the Mommy ? > > 3) We usually massage Shreya with Dabur " enriched " baby olive oil ( > Available in Indian grocery stores )and then wash off with Besan ( > chick pea flour )paste. The label says its " 100% pure Besan " . But > Shreya has developed some red spots on her chest and rough dry skin in > the calf area. Should we resort to baby soap or there are any > alternatives ? > > Thanks and regards, > Jai > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Hi Aparna and All - You are professional moms, and very good at it sounds like! So many skills involved! Thank you so much for sharing your experience. Two thoughts to add to this good conversation... Sometimes barley flour suits the skin better than the chick pea, with some good cleansing action similar, a little gentler. Some chick pea flour is more coarse ground and not suited. We take 1 tbs of chick pea/besan flour and mix into 1/3 cup milk, bring to boil stirring as it turns to pudding. Keep hot and apply after oil massage, before bath (quickly). The milk and cooking gentle the besan flour and nourish the skin, including pitta reducing. I have seen baby with severe conjunctivitis clearing nic ely with application of organic essential oils of Lavender and the children's tea tree, melaleuca ericafolia (one on feet, one on chest/upper badk, just a drop or two. Both gentle but wisely advised to dilute ever so slightly with vegetable oil. Then a drop of the lavender on a cotton ball, near baby's sleeping diffuses it for lasting effect. Gentle antimicrobials and antiinflammatory, yet, babyies respond so well. Washing the eye with breast milk very nice,not just " applying " . Not always as quick result but very soothing and gentle means. Best - Ysha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Thank you all for responses! This forum is great... -Jai Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas ayurveda Thursday, May 22, 2008 10:16:40 PM Re: PerinatalAyurveda forum Baby Shreya @ 6.5 months Hi Aparna and All - You are professional moms, and very good at it sounds like! So many skills involved! Thank you so much for sharing your experience. Two thoughts to add to this good conversation. .. Sometimes barley flour suits the skin better than the chick pea, with some good cleansing action similar, a little gentler. Some chick pea flour is more coarse ground and not suited. We take 1 tbs of chick pea/besan flour and mix into 1/3 cup milk, bring to boil stirring as it turns to pudding. Keep hot and apply after oil massage, before bath (quickly). The milk and cooking gentle the besan flour and nourish the skin, including pitta reducing. I have seen baby with severe conjunctivitis clearing nic ely with application of organic essential oils of Lavender and the children's tea tree, melaleuca ericafolia (one on feet, one on chest/upper badk, just a drop or two. Both gentle but wisely advised to dilute ever so slightly with vegetable oil. Then a drop of the lavender on a cotton ball, near baby's sleeping diffuses it for lasting effect. Gentle antimicrobials and antiinflammatory, yet, babyies respond so well. Washing the eye with breast milk very nice,not just " applying " . Not always as quick result but very soothing and gentle means. Best - Ysha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Hello, Hing (asafetida) improves agni and helps digestion. It is prudent to use ghee with hing because ghee reduces the tikshna guna (sharpness?) of hing. But a word of caution here, watch for pitta symptoms while using hing. Do not use too much of it if you have pitta symptoms. First dosha to be suspected for any eye condition is kapha, because eyes are seat of kapha. Common household remedy here for sticky eyes or conjunctivitis is alum water. Wipe the eyes with cotton balls soaked in alum water. You may use triphala tea for the same purpose. Redness, heat, and burning means pitta, and if these symptoms are present, you may use decoction of yashtimadhu to wash eyes. For skin, again try very fine powder of yashtimadhu +milk. It is really soothing. Dr. Thite On 5/22/08, desert_thought <desert_thought wrote: > > Dear AyurDoulas and Dr.Thite, > > Shreya is now 6.5 months old and is doing well overall. I would like > to seek some help on some minor issues. She is on formula, breast milk > and solid food which is either Raagi ( (millet ? ) based porridge ) or > soupy Dal with Hing and Ghee. Our wonderful pediatrician did suggest > the use of Hing and Ghee to the Dal. > > 1) Right eye infection: Shreya has been having a flow of thick sticky > puss like liquid off and on because of her tear duct blockage. The > Pediatrician has recommended a massage near that area and warned us > if the discharge does not stop she may have to go see an > Opthalmologist! Please suggest any alternatives. > > 2) Shreya has completely stopped drinking from the breast when she is > awake. She drinks from the breast only when feeling sleepy and the > breasts are full. Even the best lactation consulant in town could not > help.I'm not blaming the LC here. We think its due to fact that Shreya > was bottle fed in the NICU for like 4 days after birth. Should we give > up on Shreya directly feeding from the Mommy ? > > 3) We usually massage Shreya with Dabur " enriched " baby olive oil ( > Available in Indian grocery stores )and then wash off with Besan ( > chick pea flour )paste. The label says its " 100% pure Besan " . But > Shreya has developed some red spots on her chest and rough dry skin in > the calf area. Should we resort to baby soap or there are any > alternatives ? > > Thanks and regards, > Jai > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Hello All - Yastimadhu is licorice. The powder is readily avaiable, organic, from Banyanbotanicals.com in albuquerque in 1/2 or 1 lb bags. Alum powder sounds very easy and vaulable with it's strong cooling and astringent actions. We can purchase alum from the baking section of grocery stores here, though it is rarely used or found in recipes. It this form acceptable? Dr. Shrestha taught how to transform it to medicinal/safe ingestible form, some very specific steps of cooking, reduction in an iron pan as I remember, I have the notes somewhere. Use of that form, like with sulfur, was such small amounts, there has not been need to make more since. Dr. Thite, what other spices do you commonly advise for babies in the first year, and at about what point in the timeline? Namaste - Ysha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Alum is double sulphate of aluminium and potash *K2SO4Al2*(*SO4*)3 24H2O. This is in crystal form 24H2O. When you heat it in iron pan until water is evaporated, you get the reduced form. Of course, there is *sanskara* of heat which " purifies " the alum. However, you can use it in crystal form. Powder we get in the store is usually made by grinding the big crystals. So these are also crystals, but in the form of small particles. This is acceptable form. Ayurveda advocates only breast feeding until six months of age. If breast milk is not available, goat/cow milk can be used with appropriate dilution. After six months, fruit juices are given to begin with non-milk diet. After this, boiled rice + ghee can be started immediately. So, until six months, baby knows only one taste of food – that of milk – which is sweet. (Apart from herbs that are given as either medicines or supplements). Babies older than six months are gradually introduced to other tastes, e.g. sour in the form of pomegranate, little salt with rice (preferably rock salt), (salt should not be mixed with milk), bitter in the form of fenugreek, astringent in the form of nutmeg (this goes with milk and sugar) and again amla, pungent in the form of ginger (goes both with milk or rice). Of course the tastes of spices I have mentioned are not absolute tastes, but these are predominantly present in these herbs. These can be used in the above sequence going to newer as the baby tolerates, every fortnightly or so. Of course, all above can be used with your own discretion according to prakruti and vikruti. All above spices have other effects that should be taken into consideration. E.g. Nutmeg is digestive and is a remedy for diarrhea, but may increase constipation if the baby is already constipated. Dr. Thite On 5/24/08, Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas wrote: > > Hello All - > > Yastimadhu is licorice. The powder is readily avaiable, organic, from > Banyanbotanicals.com in albuquerque in 1/2 or 1 lb bags. > > Alum powder sounds very easy and vaulable with it's strong cooling and > astringent actions. We can purchase alum from the baking section of > grocery stores here, though it is rarely used or found in recipes. It > this form acceptable? Dr. Shrestha taught how to transform it to > medicinal/safe ingestible form, some very specific steps of cooking, > reduction in an iron pan as I remember, I have the notes somewhere. > Use of that form, like with sulfur, was such small amounts, there has > not been need to make more since. > > Dr. Thite, what other spices do you commonly advise for babies in the > first year, and at about what point in the timeline? > > Namaste - > Ysha > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Dear Dr. Thite, I always appreciate your informative contributions, thank you. According to your ayurvedic knowledge, how is a baby and the mother effected when breast feeding continues for several years? I ask this as a general question, then below will mention a specific case, which perhaps you could address, if you are so inspired. I have a mother in my practice who still nurses her two year old. The child does eat food. As the mother describes it, the daughter has been teething since she was three months old almost continually. That is, according to the mom, the child will show signs of teething, then stop for only two weeks, then the symptoms of teething return. During these times the child wants to nurse practically all the time. She is extremely clingy and cranky. The mother says she gets very drained when the child nurses all day, which I could imagine. The child also has difficulty with brushing her teeth, saying it hurts. Overall, she is very protective and sensitive with her mouth. This being said, there are many other mothers without the constant teething situation who nurse the child at bedtime or before a child's nap until the child is three years old. Again, would you see this affecting the child or mother adversely according to ayurveda? Thank you again, for your contributions! Kim Jivani Luchau infant craniosacral therapist --- cm thite <cmthite wrote: > Alum is double sulphate of aluminium and potash > *K2SO4Al2*(*SO4*)3 24H2O. > This is in crystal form 24H2O. When you heat it in > iron pan until water is > evaporated, you get the reduced form. Of course, > there is *sanskara* of > heat which " purifies " the alum. However, you can > use it in crystal > form. Powder we get in the store is usually made by > grinding the big > crystals. So these are also crystals, but in the > form of small particles. > This is acceptable form. > > > > Ayurveda advocates only breast feeding until six > months of age. If breast > milk is not available, goat/cow milk can be used > with appropriate dilution. > After six months, fruit juices are given to begin > with non-milk diet. After > this, boiled rice + ghee can be started immediately. > So, until six months, > baby knows only one taste of food – that of milk – > which is sweet. (Apart > from herbs that are given as either medicines or > supplements). > > > > Babies older than six months are gradually > introduced to other tastes, e.g. > sour in the form of pomegranate, little salt with > rice (preferably rock > salt), (salt should not be mixed with milk), bitter > in the form of > fenugreek, astringent in the form of nutmeg (this > goes with milk and sugar) > and again amla, pungent in the form of ginger (goes > both with milk or rice). > Of course the tastes of spices I have mentioned are > not absolute tastes, but > these are predominantly present in these herbs. > These can be used in the > above sequence going to newer as the baby tolerates, > every fortnightly or > so. Of course, all above can be used with your own > discretion according to > prakruti and vikruti. All above spices have other > effects that should be > taken into consideration. E.g. Nutmeg is digestive > and is a remedy for > diarrhea, but may increase constipation if the baby > is already constipated. > > > > > Dr. Thite > > > On 5/24/08, Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas wrote: > > > > Hello All - > > > > Yastimadhu is licorice. The powder is readily > avaiable, organic, from > > Banyanbotanicals.com in albuquerque in 1/2 or 1 lb > bags. > > > > Alum powder sounds very easy and vaulable with > it's strong cooling and > > astringent actions. We can purchase alum from the > baking section of > > grocery stores here, though it is rarely used or > found in recipes. It > > this form acceptable? Dr. Shrestha taught how to > transform it to > > medicinal/safe ingestible form, some very specific > steps of cooking, > > reduction in an iron pan as I remember, I have the > notes somewhere. > > Use of that form, like with sulfur, was such small > amounts, there has > > not been need to make more since. > > > > Dr. Thite, what other spices do you commonly > advise for babies in the > > first year, and at about what point in the > timeline? > > > > Namaste - > > Ysha > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > --- > > From the Moderator: Please delete unnecessary text > with replies. > > ayurveda-! > Groups Links > > ( ID required) > > ayurveda-fullfeatured > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 Hello Kim, Breast feeding (without other food) for several years can affect both mother and child in many ways. For a child, solid food must be started at an appropriate age for better growth and development of the child. For development of dhatus (body building materials), the child needs variety of foods. Prudent use of food facilitates both qualitative and quantitative growth of all dhatus. Food also affects ongoing development of sense organs, mind, and intellect. These are finer functions of human body and effects of food on these can be very subtle. Some cranky children cannot be started on regular food unless they are weaned off from breastfeeding. I know it is painful for some moms. A mother with bowl of rice trying to feed the child for hours is not an uncommon sight here in India. Child will not open the mouth. Diet of children should be predominantly sweet in taste. (Concept of taste is really different according to ayurveda. Sweetness is relative term – e.g., milk, rice, wheat, and sugar all are sweet with difference of degree). As for mother, female body undergoes huge transformations - during pregnancy, delivery, and post delivery phase - lactation. Breast milk is a sub-dhatu of rasa dhatu. Therefore, breast feeding may put strain on reserves of rasa dhatu, and its deficiency may lead to symptoms of rasakshaya. Low rasa dhatu may adversely affect the growth of other dhatus such as rakta – mamasa, etc. This can lead to increased vata. Dr. Thite On 5/26/08, jivani <jivanimark wrote: > > Dear Dr. Thite, > > I always appreciate your informative contributions, > thank you. > > According to your ayurvedic knowledge, how is a baby > and the mother effected when breast feeding continues > for several years? I ask this as a general question, > then below will mention a specific case, which perhaps > you could address, if you are so inspired. > > I have a mother in my practice who still nurses her > two year old. The child does eat food. As the mother > describes it, the daughter has been teething since she > was three months old almost continually. That is, > according to the mom, the child will show signs of > teething, then stop for only two weeks, then the > symptoms of teething return. During these times the > child wants to nurse practically all the time. She is > extremely clingy and cranky. The mother says she gets > very drained when the child nurses all day, which I > could imagine. The child also has difficulty with > brushing her teeth, saying it hurts. Overall, she is > very protective and sensitive with her mouth. > > This being said, there are many other mothers without > the constant teething situation who nurse the child at > bedtime or before a child's nap until the child is > three years old. Again, would you see this affecting > the child or mother adversely according to ayurveda? > > Thank you again, for your contributions! > > Kim Jivani Luchau > infant craniosacral therapist > > --- cm thite <cmthite <cmthite%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Alum is double sulphate of aluminium and potash > > *K2SO4Al2*(*SO4*)3 24H2O. > > This is in crystal form 24H2O. When you heat it in > > iron pan until water is > > evaporated, you get the reduced form. Of course, > > there is *sanskara* of > > heat which " purifies " the alum. However, you can > > use it in crystal > > form. Powder we get in the store is usually made by > > grinding the big > > crystals. So these are also crystals, but in the > > form of small particles. > > This is acceptable form. > > > > > > > > Ayurveda advocates only breast feeding until six > > months of age. If breast > > milk is not available, goat/cow milk can be used > > with appropriate dilution. > > After six months, fruit juices are given to begin > > with non-milk diet. After > > this, boiled rice + ghee can be started immediately. > > So, until six months, > > baby knows only one taste of food – that of milk – > > which is sweet. (Apart > > from herbs that are given as either medicines or > > supplements). > > > > > > > > Babies older than six months are gradually > > introduced to other tastes, e.g. > > sour in the form of pomegranate, little salt with > > rice (preferably rock > > salt), (salt should not be mixed with milk), bitter > > in the form of > > fenugreek, astringent in the form of nutmeg (this > > goes with milk and sugar) > > and again amla, pungent in the form of ginger (goes > > both with milk or rice). > > Of course the tastes of spices I have mentioned are > > not absolute tastes, but > > these are predominantly present in these herbs. > > These can be used in the > > above sequence going to newer as the baby tolerates, > > every fortnightly or > > so. Of course, all above can be used with your own > > discretion according to > > prakruti and vikruti. All above spices have other > > effects that should be > > taken into consideration. E.g. Nutmeg is digestive > > and is a remedy for > > diarrhea, but may increase constipation if the baby > > is already constipated. > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Thite > > > > > > On 5/24/08, Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas <AyurDoulas%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > Hello All - > > > > > > Yastimadhu is licorice. The powder is readily > > avaiable, organic, from > > > Banyanbotanicals.com in albuquerque in 1/2 or 1 lb > > bags. > > > > > > Alum powder sounds very easy and vaulable with > > it's strong cooling and > > > astringent actions. We can purchase alum from the > > baking section of > > > grocery stores here, though it is rarely used or > > found in recipes. It > > > this form acceptable? Dr. Shrestha taught how to > > transform it to > > > medicinal/safe ingestible form, some very specific > > steps of cooking, > > > reduction in an iron pan as I remember, I have the > > notes somewhere. > > > Use of that form, like with sulfur, was such small > > amounts, there has > > > not been need to make more since. > > > > > > Dr. Thite, what other spices do you commonly > > advise for babies in the > > > first year, and at about what point in the > > timeline? > > > > > > Namaste - > > > Ysha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > --- > > > > From the Moderator: Please delete unnecessary text > > with replies. > > > > ayurveda-<ayurveda-\ %40> > ! > > Groups Links > > > > ( ID required) > > > > > ayurveda-fullfeatured <ayurveda-fullfeat\ ured%40> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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