mastitis, thyroid, and overdose meds discussions

[Guest guest]

> Well when I told my doc that was what I thought it was from, he said

" no you can't get mastitis from too much thyroid " but I did not

believe him. I believed that he intentionally overdosed me... because

I wanted to go on armour thyroid instead of synthroid. He put me on 90

mg and I got mastitis and even a panic attack

 

Sounds from the rest of your story also like the man for whatever

reason was incompetent and dependent too much on his mistaken ideas

how to determine dose and choose effective supports for you.

 

I'd like to bring up something sensitive here, which is nonetheless an

important discussion to begin. High stress levels translate in

Ayurveda different ways depending upon body type and imbalances,

including from lifestyle and diet factors. It is a big discussion,

but we can mention a few things.

 

After birth, the imbalances WITHOUT meds, are naturally high in a

certain direction that gives tendency to not only blues, depression

and psychosis, but almost all the other PPMDs - anxiety, fear,

compulsion, obsession, feeling separated, disconnected, even paranoia

etc. These are all under category of mostly VATA metabolic imbalances

in excess, already exacerbated by childbearing naturally. There are

body symptoms in this collection too, we study these things in depth

in Ayurveda and AyurDoula classes.

 

We don't know more details about your personal conditions in pregnancy

and birth, but if you had used antidepressants before preg or birth,

we do know from looking just at the long list of side effects physical

and emotional, that there is lots of match with the list of " vata "

....and of " pitta " metabolic excess (Dr. David Crowe who is ayurvedic

practitioner, master herbalist, aromatherapist and accupuncturist says

almost all meds increase pitta - wondering if vaidyas here care to

comment.).

 

So coming into postpartum, your metabolism was compromised even

without the normal challenges all women have to restoring balance and

strength. Whether or not that doc was purposely trying to overdose

you is not really a wise consideration without you know, " proof " . It

is much healthier to attend to restoring balance, and to take the

blame off not only yourself, but him. Hyper thyroid is not in my

knowledge base to comment on. Thyroid imbalances are commonly found

developing over the weeks/months in postpartum women because the

metabolism is so compromised. So again, we want to look to restoring

root cause imbalances.

 

(after losing a bunch of weight, probably releasing stored Zoloft

residue in my burning fat cells, and also mixing with the overdose of

meds and some expired tylenol).

 

Loosing weight quickly as you must know easily releases lots at once

of those fat-stored meds. I remember hearing Dr. Tracey talk about

-was it 100 times or more? - concentration in brain tissue (mostly fat

also) compared to blood stream levels of the med in use, and these

stores download often in chunks. With one prozak doubling cortisol

levels, of course the stress levels you dealt with were horrible.

What stimulates the download would be another discussion for another

time...

 

>If you can have low milk production from underactive thyroid, it

makes sense than an overactive thyroid would cause overproduction and

backed up milk in those ducts and so forth could lead to mastitis.

 

I don't know about this logic necessarily working either, have to

leave that to the Ayurvedic docs or nurses when they have a chance to

comment. Low milk production and underactive thyroid actually we can

understand from Ayurveda as common symptoms of week digestive fire,

low enzyme function which can have multiple causes in dietary and

lifestyle as well as the accumulations of meds coating glandular

tissues as what we call " AMA " (incomplete products of digestion). We

know from Dr. Tracey's reports that SSRI meds work by interfering with

certain enzyme functions so that the excess serotonin is not

metabolized when it is needed to be. And that it coats the brain

glands among other things, making them effectively disfunctional and

often giving the experience of being " controlled " by others or even

" posessed " . I don't know it's effect on thyroid.

 

As mentioned in my post on milk fever and mastitis, since #1 cause of

mastitis is doing too much (the body then not working so well at its

own maintenance issues, getting tight where it shouldn't etc) it is

certainly possible that the meds issue was just happening at the same

time as the mastitis.

 

Sounds like you were and are a very active mama. The postpartum

doctors' visits, other household responsibilities, etc easily

exacerbate the problem of doing too much! If we go out on one

essential errand (best to avoid all or keep to the one if no one else

can really do it for us) and then decide to be efficient and run

several others (how many moms with newborns DONT do this?) the

excessive stimulation on nervous systems (mom and baby) that are

extremely sensitive to external vibrational influences contributes to

not only guaranteed rough night but are one of the many things that

contribute to more risk of postpartum complications. That's emotional

as well as physical.

 

> Back to the OD thing, ... done it on purpose and put me on the

higher dose either to cause a panic attack and try to get me into the

psych hospital, or to cause a heart attack and kill me, or to make it

seem like Synthroid was safer so he could get a kickback of some sort

by keeping me on that version.

 

So given that panic is also on the list of VATA imbalances, as are

irregular heart beat, and other heart issues often are PITTA

imbalances, it may be more the case the doctors' widespread ignorance

of these influences caught your level of already primed with these

imbalances and manifest quickly into those symptoms. The docs really

often haven't a clue and work with very simplistic logic about well if

this does that, then more will do it better etc.

 

> ...when I refused to take my dose as prescribed after the bad

reactions the nurse got really upset with me for not following orders.

Excuse me but I am not taking more of that when I am already seriously

overdosed on it. DUH.

 

So sad! We want to trust our care givers. But there is so much fear

also in the medical field. They pay the most unGodly amount of

malpractice insurance, and so many of them live and make decisions

first to protect " everyone's " safety when really it is their own

safety and in the process they are not listening to the obvious, Which

you fortunately had sense to pay attention to! I know many who have

medical personnel react like this. They are certainly feeling attacked

and defensive too, which gets in the way of compassionate practice of

what they should remember. It is unfortunate.

 

I feel the Divine spark is in all their/our hearts, and as a result if

they behave this way it means something is overshadowing it. Often a

lot! They are probably on some meds or dietary accumulations too that

increase this tendency! But this is why I feel it is best to not

engage on that level when we don't have to, with blame and anger. ONe

spiritual teacher says, if someone gets angry at us, thank them. They

have just taken on some of OUR karma for us. works the other way too,

of course. The GOOD NEWS IS! If the anger comes anyway, we can save

the psychology by doing some PItta balancing dietary and lifestyle things.

 

Blessings;

Ysha

[Guest guest]

Well quite obviously I was overdosed on the armour thyroid, as I said before it

makes no sense for an endocrinologist not to know the comparative dose for 100

mcg of Synthroid and whatever mg of Armour thyroid, but for my NP to know that

112 mcg of Synthroid compares to 60 mg of armour. That is at least a 30 mg

overdose, which is 50% higher than it should have been.

 

Also I didn't really have hyperthyroidism I actually had hypo which eventually

worsened, perhaps from the drug overdose.

 

Originally when I moved to MN and switched doctors prior to Isaac's birth, I was

taking Levothyroxine, but I had no idea that generic and name brand had

different strengths, so I told my doc I was on Synthroid (what I always called

it) - who really knows why I developed hyperthyroidism after Isaac's birth, it

could have been a number of things, but it went undetected for 6 weeks due to

not just one but two different doctors' incompetence.

 

Sorry to bring all this negativity to the board, I just thought I would mention

the overactive thyroid as a cause of mastitis. The number one cause of mastitis

in my experience is not nursing frequently to remove the milk efficiently,

leading to engorgement which leads to infection. And the best treatments are

nursing frequently and removing the milk until engorgement goes away and rest,

fluids, etc.

 

Sincerely,

Amy Philo

214-705-0169 home

817-793-8028 cell

 

URGENT! Sign the petition against the MOTHERS Act at

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/stop-the-dangerous-and-invasive-mothers-act

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Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas

ayurveda

Tuesday, March 25, 2008 12:48:02 PM

PerinatalAyurveda forum mastitis, thyroid, and overdose meds

discussions

 

> Well when I told my doc that was what I thought it was from, he said

" no you can't get mastitis from too much thyroid " but I did not

believe him. I believed that he intentionally overdosed me... because

I wanted to go on armour thyroid instead of synthroid. He put me on 90

mg and I got mastitis and even a panic attack

 

Sounds from the rest of your story also like the man for whatever

reason was incompetent and dependent too much on his mistaken ideas

how to determine dose and choose effective supports for you.

 

I'd like to bring up something sensitive here, which is nonetheless an

important discussion to begin. High stress levels translate in

Ayurveda different ways depending upon body type and imbalances,

including from lifestyle and diet factors. It is a big discussion,

but we can mention a few things.

 

After birth, the imbalances WITHOUT meds, are naturally high in a

certain direction that gives tendency to not only blues, depression

and psychosis, but almost all the other PPMDs - anxiety, fear,

compulsion, obsession, feeling separated, disconnected, even paranoia

etc. These are all under category of mostly VATA metabolic imbalances

in excess, already exacerbated by childbearing naturally. There are

body symptoms in this collection too, we study these things in depth

in Ayurveda and AyurDoula classes.

 

We don't know more details about your personal conditions in pregnancy

and birth, but if you had used antidepressants before preg or birth,

we do know from looking just at the long list of side effects physical

and emotional, that there is lots of match with the list of " vata "

....and of " pitta " metabolic excess (Dr. David Crowe who is ayurvedic

practitioner, master herbalist, aromatherapist and accupuncturist says

almost all meds increase pitta - wondering if vaidyas here care to

comment.).

 

So coming into postpartum, your metabolism was compromised even

without the normal challenges all women have to restoring balance and

strength. Whether or not that doc was purposely trying to overdose

you is not really a wise consideration without you know, " proof " . It

is much healthier to attend to restoring balance, and to take the

blame off not only yourself, but him. Hyper thyroid is not in my

knowledge base to comment on. Thyroid imbalances are commonly found

developing over the weeks/months in postpartum women because the

metabolism is so compromised. So again, we want to look to restoring

root cause imbalances.

 

(after losing a bunch of weight, probably releasing stored Zoloft

residue in my burning fat cells, and also mixing with the overdose of

meds and some expired tylenol).

 

Loosing weight quickly as you must know easily releases lots at once

of those fat-stored meds. I remember hearing Dr. Tracey talk about

-was it 100 times or more? - concentration in brain tissue (mostly fat

also) compared to blood stream levels of the med in use, and these

stores download often in chunks. With one prozak doubling cortisol

levels, of course the stress levels you dealt with were horrible.

What stimulates the download would be another discussion for another

time...

 

>If you can have low milk production from underactive thyroid, it

makes sense than an overactive thyroid would cause overproduction and

backed up milk in those ducts and so forth could lead to mastitis.

 

I don't know about this logic necessarily working either, have to

leave that to the Ayurvedic docs or nurses when they have a chance to

comment. Low milk production and underactive thyroid actually we can

understand from Ayurveda as common symptoms of week digestive fire,

low enzyme function which can have multiple causes in dietary and

lifestyle as well as the accumulations of meds coating glandular

tissues as what we call " AMA " (incomplete products of digestion). We

know from Dr. Tracey's reports that SSRI meds work by interfering with

certain enzyme functions so that the excess serotonin is not

metabolized when it is needed to be. And that it coats the brain

glands among other things, making them effectively disfunctional and

often giving the experience of being " controlled " by others or even

" posessed " . I don't know it's effect on thyroid.

 

As mentioned in my post on milk fever and mastitis, since #1 cause of

mastitis is doing too much (the body then not working so well at its

own maintenance issues, getting tight where it shouldn't etc) it is

certainly possible that the meds issue was just happening at the same

time as the mastitis.

 

Sounds like you were and are a very active mama. The postpartum

doctors' visits, other household responsibilities, etc easily

exacerbate the problem of doing too much! If we go out on one

essential errand (best to avoid all or keep to the one if no one else

can really do it for us) and then decide to be efficient and run

several others (how many moms with newborns DONT do this?) the

excessive stimulation on nervous systems (mom and baby) that are

extremely sensitive to external vibrational influences contributes to

not only guaranteed rough night but are one of the many things that

contribute to more risk of postpartum complications. That's emotional

as well as physical.

 

> Back to the OD thing, ... done it on purpose and put me on the

higher dose either to cause a panic attack and try to get me into the

psych hospital, or to cause a heart attack and kill me, or to make it

seem like Synthroid was safer so he could get a kickback of some sort

by keeping me on that version.

 

So given that panic is also on the list of VATA imbalances, as are

irregular heart beat, and other heart issues often are PITTA

imbalances, it may be more the case the doctors' widespread ignorance

of these influences caught your level of already primed with these

imbalances and manifest quickly into those symptoms. The docs really

often haven't a clue and work with very simplistic logic about well if

this does that, then more will do it better etc.

 

> ...when I refused to take my dose as prescribed after the bad

reactions the nurse got really upset with me for not following orders.

Excuse me but I am not taking more of that when I am already seriously

overdosed on it. DUH.

 

So sad! We want to trust our care givers. But there is so much fear

also in the medical field. They pay the most unGodly amount of

malpractice insurance, and so many of them live and make decisions

first to protect " everyone's " safety when really it is their own

safety and in the process they are not listening to the obvious, Which

you fortunately had sense to pay attention to! I know many who have

medical personnel react like this. They are certainly feeling attacked

and defensive too, which gets in the way of compassionate practice of

what they should remember. It is unfortunate.

 

I feel the Divine spark is in all their/our hearts, and as a result if

they behave this way it means something is overshadowing it. Often a

lot! They are probably on some meds or dietary accumulations too that

increase this tendency! But this is why I feel it is best to not

engage on that level when we don't have to, with blame and anger. ONe

spiritual teacher says, if someone gets angry at us, thank them. They

have just taken on some of OUR karma for us. works the other way too,

of course. The GOOD NEWS IS! If the anger comes anyway, we can save

the psychology by doing some PItta balancing dietary and lifestyle things.

 

Blessings;

Ysha

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Amy;

You have had to deal not only with the thyroid mismanagement but

severe side effects from even normal, then mismanaged, doses of the

ssris, whatever else went on is enough to have created all kinds of

crazy imbalances! This is the kind of thing that is ALL TOO COMMON

and why I want to invite the vaidyas in the professional sharing on

bigger scale than this little forum such as in natioinal publications,

if they will, as well as why my concern level is so high with the use

and ignorances around the SSRIs.

 

My experience with women on SSRIs (or translate that even worse,

coming off them too fast) is they are a real challenge to be able to

support effectively. Emotions, side effects, changes of mind, fears,

etc tend to create a huge roller coaster ride with those things.

Especialy as there are so many medical/psychiatric and licensed

natural health etc professionals often involved. I do best on the

prevention and pre-meds end as a result, besides not having medical

licensure to take it on!

 

> Well quite obviously I was overdosed on the armour thyroid, as I

said before it makes no sense for an endocrinologist not to know the

comparative dose for 100 mcg of Synthroid and whatever mg of Armour

thyroid, but for my NP to know that 112 mcg of Synthroid compares to

60 mg of armour. That is at least a 30 mg overdose, which is 50%

higher than it should have been.

 

Oh, I do see what you are saying! Simple math and responsibility!

 

> Also I didn't really have hyperthyroidism I actually had hypo which

eventually worsened, perhaps from the drug overdose.

 

Hypo more common pp anyway, but the SSRI side effects seem by my

understanding to clearly work in same direction, to dampen metabolic

efficiencies, on top of the normal pp physiology, increasing risk of

hypothyroidism. Had you been put on them during pregnancy?

 

> .......Synthroid (what I always called it) - who really knows why I

developed hyperthyroidism after Isaac's birth, it could have been a

number of things, but it went undetected for 6 weeks due to not just

one but two different doctors' incompetence.

 

The complex of symptoms have some very common ground and cause even

w/o the drug issues, and according to a Canadian MD focused on women's

health (forgive, my references are in storage) it is very common for

the thyroid issues to develop though overlooked in earlier Postpartum.

 

> Sorry to bring all this negativity to the board, I just thought I

would mention the overactive thyroid as a cause of mastitis. The

number one cause of mastitis in my experience is not nursing

frequently to remove the milk efficiently, leading to engorgement

which leads to infection. And the best treatments are nursing

frequently and removing the milk until engorgement goes away and rest,

fluids, etc.

 

Forgive my not stating the obvious and common sense - definitely short

term one needs to involve baby's supportive nursing to keep the breast

drained. It was also very interesting to me to find the midwives

talking about the primary causative factor (out side of normal

engorgement phases), being lessons in doing too much. It was a

valuable guide with clients I was doing doula work for, to put them to

bed with their baby, and say SEE, here it is in print by the midwives!

I find motherhood an ongoing lesson in the balance between giving and

receiving, setting example of self care/self respect and doing all we

can for them on more active mode. It starts right away!

 

As you know, Ann Tracey reports having been called to witness stand in

many antidepressant side effect court cases, wherein the settlements

out of court always involved buying them off and silenced discussion

around the case. So people have been kept from hearing this side of

it all. This is why I feel especially important to give air time to

the challenges and welcome your sharing of these issues you have had

to wrestle with so much, and seen so many others share their stories

about. We all need to learn better how to take what has been and heal it.

 

Warm Regards;

Ysha

[Guest guest]

Well I have had hypothyroidism since I was 22 years old, I am 29 now. Prior to

giving birth for the first time I had stayed on a dose of 88 mcg for 4 years.

After taking Zoloft and recovering from the hyperthyroidism as well, I went hypo

even worse and had to take 100 mcg eventually. After Toby was born I was still

on 100 mcg, at which point I decided that I wanted to go on armour, when I then

got ODed by my doc, and eventually within a couple of months I had to raise my

dose of Synthroid to 112 mcg. In my opinion the attacking of my body with the OD

of the thyroid meds could have caused underproduction. Also I do know that

Zoloft makes people hypothyroid as well.

 

I agree with what you said about doing too much, I read somewhere that mastitis

is caused by refusal to nurture oneself, although I have only had it one time

and I think it was from the 50% overdose of thyroid meds.

 

Sincerely,

Amy Philo

214-705-0169 home

817-793-8028 cell

 

URGENT! Sign the petition against the MOTHERS Act at

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/stop-the-dangerous-and-invasive-mothers-act

Visit www.uniteforlife.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas

ayurveda

Tuesday, March 25, 2008 6:45:38 PM

Re: PerinatalAyurveda forum mastitis, thyroid, and overdose meds

discussions

 

Hi Amy;

You have had to deal not only with the thyroid mismanagement but

severe side effects from even normal, then mismanaged, doses of the

ssris, whatever else went on is enough to have created all kinds of

crazy imbalances! This is the kind of thing that is ALL TOO COMMON

and why I want to invite the vaidyas in the professional sharing on

bigger scale than this little forum such as in natioinal publications,

if they will, as well as why my concern level is so high with the use

and ignorances around the SSRIs.

 

My experience with women on SSRIs (or translate that even worse,

coming off them too fast) is they are a real challenge to be able to

support effectively. Emotions, side effects, changes of mind, fears,

etc tend to create a huge roller coaster ride with those things.

Especialy as there are so many medical/psychiatric and licensed

natural health etc professionals often involved. I do best on the

prevention and pre-meds end as a result, besides not having medical

licensure to take it on!

 

> Well quite obviously I was overdosed on the armour thyroid, as I

said before it makes no sense for an endocrinologist not to know the

comparative dose for 100 mcg of Synthroid and whatever mg of Armour

thyroid, but for my NP to know that 112 mcg of Synthroid compares to

60 mg of armour. That is at least a 30 mg overdose, which is 50%

higher than it should have been.

 

Oh, I do see what you are saying! Simple math and responsibility!

 

> Also I didn't really have hyperthyroidism I actually had hypo which

eventually worsened, perhaps from the drug overdose.

 

Hypo more common pp anyway, but the SSRI side effects seem by my

understanding to clearly work in same direction, to dampen metabolic

efficiencies, on top of the normal pp physiology, increasing risk of

hypothyroidism. Had you been put on them during pregnancy?

 

> .......Synthroid (what I always called it) - who really knows why I

developed hyperthyroidism after Isaac's birth, it could have been a

number of things, but it went undetected for 6 weeks due to not just

one but two different doctors' incompetence.

 

The complex of symptoms have some very common ground and cause even

w/o the drug issues, and according to a Canadian MD focused on women's

health (forgive, my references are in storage) it is very common for

the thyroid issues to develop though overlooked in earlier Postpartum.

 

> Sorry to bring all this negativity to the board, I just thought I

would mention the overactive thyroid as a cause of mastitis. The

number one cause of mastitis in my experience is not nursing

frequently to remove the milk efficiently, leading to engorgement

which leads to infection. And the best treatments are nursing

frequently and removing the milk until engorgement goes away and rest,

fluids, etc.

 

Forgive my not stating the obvious and common sense - definitely short

term one needs to involve baby's supportive nursing to keep the breast

drained. It was also very interesting to me to find the midwives

talking about the primary causative factor (out side of normal

engorgement phases), being lessons in doing too much. It was a

valuable guide with clients I was doing doula work for, to put them to

bed with their baby, and say SEE, here it is in print by the midwives!

I find motherhood an ongoing lesson in the balance between giving and

receiving, setting example of self care/self respect and doing all we

can for them on more active mode. It starts right away!

 

As you know, Ann Tracey reports having been called to witness stand in

many antidepressant side effect court cases, wherein the settlements

out of court always involved buying them off and silenced discussion

around the case. So people have been kept from hearing this side of

it all. This is why I feel especially important to give air time to

the challenges and welcome your sharing of these issues you have had

to wrestle with so much, and seen so many others share their stories

about. We all need to learn better how to take what has been and heal it.

 

Warm Regards;

Ysha

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

>Also I do know that Zoloft makes people hypothyroid as well.

 

Yes, interfering with metabolic functions over period of time as this

type of med does (it is how it works) tends to weaken thyroid function.

 

> I agree with what you said about doing too much, I read somewhere

that mastitis is caused by refusal to nurture oneself

 

sounds like wisewoman Louise Hay?

 

>although I have only had it one time and I think it was from the 50%

overdose of thyroid meds.

 

You may be quite right. I don't know enough about that part of it and

haven't put my head into hyperthyroid implications/side effects/causes.

 

- YO

[Guest guest]

too much thyroid would cause hyperactivity in your body, thereby causing over

stim in your thyroid and body and mind. Lots of problems could happen!

 

shawna

 

 

 

Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas

ayurveda

Wednesday, March 26, 2008 12:02:00 AM

Re: PerinatalAyurveda forum mastitis, thyroid, and overdose meds

discussions

 

>Also I do know that Zoloft makes people hypothyroid as well.

 

Yes, interfering with metabolic functions over period of time as this

type of med does (it is how it works) tends to weaken thyroid function.

 

> I agree with what you said about doing too much, I read somewhere

that mastitis is caused by refusal to nurture oneself

 

sounds like wisewoman Louise Hay?

 

>although I have only had it one time and I think it was from the 50%

overdose of thyroid meds.

 

You may be quite right. I don't know enough about that part of it and

haven't put my head into hyperthyroid implications/ side effects/causes.

 

- YO

 

 

 

 

 

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