Miscarriage

[Guest guest]

Oh Ann,

My heart goes out to you and your Daughter. This must be hard on her.

I've only had one miscarriage and I can't imagine having more.

Michele

--

 

 

Ann Thorpe <Ann

 

Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:41:44 +0000

 

miscarriage

 

 

Some of you may remember my mentioning last year that my daughter had

miscarried for the second time. Well, she's just been scanned (third

pregnancy

and no children yet) and been told that this one is the same - sac but no

baby, ie blighted ovum - and that it is starting to come away. She wants the

miscarriage to proceed 'normally'. I'd just like any comments from any of

you

on what herbs and oils you think might help her. The first time she had real

labour pains and was hospitalised. The second time they did a d & c. She has

just had a bit of spotting and is expecting to start bleeding in a week or

so.

So far the medical staff have not been particularly sympathetic or helpful.

Suggestions please. I'm with her at the moment, but am going home tomorrow

(she's 400 miles away) so will keep up with your replies.

Thanks in advance

Regards

Ann - Scotland

 

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[Guest guest]

MM,

I had one of those many years ago. In all honesty, the best thing is a D & C.

If anything is left up there it will cause one nasty infection. I'll keep her

in my prayers though.

 

Bright blessings to you and those you love,

Autum Rain Wolf

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry Anne.

 

I had one too, empty sac. (little controversy here :-) My started on it's

own and cleared out beautifully with no intervention and for ME, that was

the best thing.

 

 

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

SmeLLeNNiuM: 101 Aromatic Stories

http://www.101aromas.com

 

-

<AutumRainWolf

 

Tuesday, January 15, 2002 5:40 PM

Re: miscarriage

 

 

> MM,

> I had one of those many years ago. In all honesty, the best thing is a

D & C.

> If anything is left up there it will cause one nasty infection. I'll keep

her

> in my prayers though.

>

> Bright blessings to you and those you love,

> Autum Rain Wolf

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/15/2002 5:42:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,

AutumRainWolf writes:

 

 

> I had one of those many years ago. In all honesty, the best thing is a D & C.

> If anything is left up there it will cause one nasty infection. I'll keep

> her

> in my prayers though.

>

 

I am not really for D & C's. I think they can cause infections themselves,

leaving the cervix vulnerable, and make it harder for some to carry full

term. Many women begin having pain during sex from these for some reason.

Anyway I am sure afterwards they can do an ultrasound, and if anything is

still there, I would recommend dong quai ( or it might be black cohosh, let

me know if you want me to look it up ) Some midwifes use this to bring up a

placenta that doesnt want to come out, and these are used for

abortificacients, so it could help bring anything left...out. Best of luck to

you,

Erin

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello Ann, all

Using herbs to help empty the uterus requires a skilled herbal practitioner

to be present and to know the womans history- Blue Cohosh is not indicated

if one has LBP and there are many other herbs that can help- but a

practitioner needs to be present o watch the dose and adjust it- as higher

doses are used for these things...

D & Cs are life saving when needed- I had a miscarriage at 13 weeks in which

the fetus came out, but the placenta never did- we were doing " the right "

tinctures ...and I was hemmoraging because the placenta was not detaching...

I had a D & C and became pregnant with my now 2 year old shortly

thereafter...everything has its place...

blighted ovums " usually " come out just fine... just watch for infection and

heavy cramping...

Then Id see your chinese herbalist for some good blood building and kidney

tonifying herbs...

Blessings

Michelle

>

>

> > I had one of those many years ago. In all honesty, the best thing is a

D & C.

> > If anything is left up there it will cause one nasty infection. I'll

keep

> > her

> > in my prayers though.

> >

>

> I am not really for D & C's. I think they can cause infections themselves,

> leaving the cervix vulnerable, and make it harder for some to carry full

> term. Many women begin having pain during sex from these for some reason.

> Anyway I am sure afterwards they can do an ultrasound, and if anything is

> still there, I would recommend dong quai ( or it might be black cohosh,

let

> me know if you want me to look it up ) Some midwifes use this to bring up

a

> placenta that doesnt want to come out, and these are used for

> abortificacients, so it could help bring anything left...out. Best of luck

to

> you,

> Erin

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello all

I passed on your messages to my daughter and she was really touched by all your

thoughts.

Unfortunately before she could use any of these remedies she started her

miscarriage. She was in a lot of pain so went in to the hospital but they were

really good and she dealt with everything 'naturally'. She phone me this

afternoon to say she was home (I didn't know she'd even been in as it had been

2am and she didn't want to disturb me!) and just bleeding naturally and not

hurting and was going to her bed

Thank you all so much for your thoughts which I am sure bridged the Atlantic and

reached her to ensure her pain was less this time

Regards

Ann - Scotland

ps I know I still have some individual mails to answer, and will do so at the

weekend - thanks

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oh Ann,

 

My love and hugs go out to your daughter. My mother survived two

miscarriages (one at 7 months) and an ectopic pregnancy that almost

killed her .. and she did have me in between all of that there somewhere

.....

 

*Hugs*

Chris (list mom)

 

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

 

Ann Thorpe wrote:

 

> Hello all

> I passed on your messages to my daughter and she was really touched by

> all your thoughts.

> Unfortunately before she could use any of these remedies she started

> her miscarriage. She was in a lot of pain so went in to the hospital

> but they were really good and she dealt with everything 'naturally'.

> She phone me this afternoon to say she was home (I didn't know she'd

> even been in as it had been 2am and she didn't want to disturb me!)

> and just bleeding naturally and not hurting and was going to her bed

> Thank you all so much for your thoughts which I am sure bridged the

> Atlantic and reached her to ensure her pain was less this time

> Regards

> Ann - Scotland

> ps I know I still have some individual mails to answer, and will do so

> at the weekend - thanks

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Chris

Ann

-

Chris Ziegler

Saturday, January 19, 2002 12:33 AM

Re: miscarriage

 

 

Oh Ann,

 

My love and hugs go out to your daughter. My mother survived two

miscarriages (one at 7 months) and an ectopic pregnancy that almost

killed her .. and she did have me in between all of that there somewhere

....

 

*Hugs*

Chris (list mom)

 

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

 

Ann Thorpe wrote:

 

> Hello all

> I passed on your messages to my daughter and she was really touched by

> all your thoughts.

> Unfortunately before she could use any of these remedies she started

> her miscarriage. She was in a lot of pain so went in to the hospital

> but they were really good and she dealt with everything 'naturally'.

> She phone me this afternoon to say she was home (I didn't know she'd

> even been in as it had been 2am and she didn't want to disturb me!)

> and just bleeding naturally and not hurting and was going to her bed

> Thank you all so much for your thoughts which I am sure bridged the

> Atlantic and reached her to ensure her pain was less this time

> Regards

> Ann - Scotland

> ps I know I still have some individual mails to answer, and will do so

> at the weekend - thanks

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am so sorry to hear this kind of news. Good vibes coming your way.

 

My sis had a miscarriage before each one of her kids (she has four). I felt

so sorry for her. I had one after having three wonderful babies. No

picnic!?!

 

Blessings and love,

Effie

 

 

Ann Thorpe <Ann

Friday, January 18, 2002 3:42 PM

Re: miscarriage

 

 

>Hello all

>I passed on your messages to my daughter and she was really touched by all

your thoughts.

>Unfortunately before she could use any of these remedies she started her

miscarriage. She was in a lot of pain so went in to the hospital but they

were really good and she dealt with everything 'naturally'. She phone me

this afternoon to say she was home (I didn't know she'd even been in as it

had been 2am and she didn't want to disturb me!) and just bleeding naturally

and not hurting and was going to her bed

>Thank you all so much for your thoughts which I am sure bridged the

Atlantic and reached her to ensure her pain was less this time

>Regards

>Ann - Scotland

>ps I know I still have some individual mails to answer, and will do so at

the weekend - thanks

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Alternate hot and cold - 10 minutes each for an hour.... do several times a day.

SuziMari <saxhaug wrote:

 

My DD just had a miscarriage. She was about 8 weeks pregnant. They did asonogram and there was a sac-nothing else. I have been searching and foundout this is called blighted ovum. Anyway, she is having severe cramps. TheDr.'s told her to take Tylenol. That's having no effect. She has never had ababy before but says this might be what labor feels like. I suggested a hotwater bottle. Can anyone tell us something else to help her through thepain? I live 2 hours away from her. Her husband got the night off work tostay with her though.Mari

[Guest guest]

Unfotunitely some miscarriages are actually a labor of sorts. On a prayer group Im on someones daughter kept having miscarriages and it was like labor pain but the hosptial was unsympathetic. I think strong pain meds should be offered like they do if you're delivering, since its similar pain - if the woman wants them, that is. Just my thoughts.

 

Do you have any crampbark available? I was thinking maybe it could be western unioned...poor thing I hope she feels better soon

 

Erin

[Guest guest]

One of the reasons it is hard to treat miscarriage cramps is that lots of pain killers thin the blood - including white willow bark. Also, just as in complete term childbirth, a uterus that is too relaxed will bleed. Cramp bark, black cohosh, blue cohosh, skullcap, and lobelia are some relaxing herbs that come to mind.

 

Janet

-

 

Mari

herbal remedies

Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:49 PM

Re: [herbal remedies] miscarriage

She did say it hurt like labor would. She said today she feels better butthe cramps hurt as much as yesterday because her muscles are so sore. She istrying the hot/cold remedy. She knows of no herbal store near her, but I hadthought of cramp bark too but I can't get it to her in time. I'm Hoping sheis all done by now. It's been over 24 hours.MariUnfotunitely some miscarriages are actually a labor of sorts. On a prayergroup Im on someones daughter kept having miscarriages and it was like laborpainbut the hosptial was unsympathetic. I think strong pain meds should beoffered like they do if you're delivering, since its similar pain - if thewomanwants them, that is. Just my thoughts.Do you have any crampbark available? I was thinking maybe it could bewesternunioned...poor thing I hope she feels better soonErinFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim,

 

There are many reason's why women miscarriage, One reason could be

because of toxins in your body ie heavy metals like mecury, lead or

cadmium. Have you ever done a detox? This could be something to

think about - I would suggest to see a GOOD naturopath and advise of

your issues. They may suggest a detox program or perhaps something

else to take ie herbs ect.

 

Hope this helps - sending healthy pregnancy blessings your way.

 

PS I think its great to have a Holistic Vet!!!! I have a friend who

has just completed a massage course just for our four legged friends.

 

Kindest regards

Caroline

http://www.alwaysnaturallygreat.com

 

 

, " Kim " <poprocksluca

wrote:

>

> Hi there, my name is Kim! I'm excited to be joining this group

and

> hope to learn more about alternative treatments etc. I'm happily

> married with one dog, one cat and a foster dog. My pets have a

> holistic vet and I've learned alot from her.

> I am a volunteer with three different animal related groups and

spend

> much of my free time setting up fundraisers, caring for animals

and

> sending emails about animals in need!! : ) I love it.

>

> My first question to the group is about miscarriages. I've had

two

> this year. I was wondering if anyone could recommend anything

that

> might help me carry a pregnancy full term. I lost both

pregnancies

> around 7 weeks. It has been very difficult for both me and my

> husband.

>

> Thanks!

> Kim

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim,

I concur with Caroline about the Naturopath. I found word of mouth is

better than the phone book. I thought I was one of very few to

miscarry until I started talking to people about it. Miscarriage is

such a COMMON experience. Like you, I had 2 between 6-8 weeks before

my daughter. I was told that when it happens around that time period

that there was something genetically " not right " and therefor nature

will spontaneously abort. Though, I wanted testing done, I was told

that I had to wait for a 3rd miscarriage before the medical field

would consider it a pattern. Well, my 3rd is watching cartoons right

now so don't give up hope. I remember, it seemed everywhere I went I

saw moms and babies and thought, " They don't know how lucky they are. "

It was a real lesson in learning to trust that the universe does have

perfect timing, and my time would come when it was right. Yours will

too! All the best...Liz

 

, " Caroline "

<Alwaysnaturallygreat wrote:

>

> Hi Kim,

>

> There are many reason's why women miscarriage, One reason could be

> because of toxins in your body ie heavy metals like mecury, lead or

> cadmium. Have you ever done a detox? This could be something to

> think about - I would suggest to see a GOOD naturopath and advise of

> your issues. They may suggest a detox program or perhaps something

> else to take ie herbs ect.

>

> Hope this helps - sending healthy pregnancy blessings your way.

>

> PS I think its great to have a Holistic Vet!!!! I have a friend who

> has just completed a massage course just for our four legged friends.

>

> Kindest regards

> Caroline

> http://www.alwaysnaturallygreat.com

>

>

> , " Kim " <poprocksluca@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi there, my name is Kim! I'm excited to be joining this group

> and

> > hope to learn more about alternative treatments etc. I'm happily

> > married with one dog, one cat and a foster dog. My pets have a

> > holistic vet and I've learned alot from her.

> > I am a volunteer with three different animal related groups and

> spend

> > much of my free time setting up fundraisers, caring for animals

> and

> > sending emails about animals in need!! : ) I love it.

> >

> > My first question to the group is about miscarriages. I've had

> two

> > this year. I was wondering if anyone could recommend anything

> that

> > might help me carry a pregnancy full term. I lost both

> pregnancies

> > around 7 weeks. It has been very difficult for both me and my

> > husband.

> >

> > Thanks!

> > Kim

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Liz 33 wrote:

I remember, it seemed everywhere I went I

saw moms and babies and thought,

" They don't know how lucky they are. "

 

When you break a leg, suddenly the

world seems full of broken legs.

When we lost our first child, full term,

right after birth, suddenly the world

was full of failed pregnancy stories.

 

My heart goes out to you. You are doing

the right thing by getting into shape first.

 

In friendship

 

Ien in the Kootenays

http://freegreenliving.com

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim !

 

I got your problem. I have cured successfully many patient like you. If

you really want to get rid of your problem for good, I would suggest you to

stick to homoeopathy. It is the homoeopathy which can answer your problem.

Where you reside and what is your age ? When your last miscarrage happened

? Write to me in details to subratadashomoeo. I am sure I will

be help you our. With best of wishes.

 

 

Subrata Das

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi PerinatalAyurveda Group:

 

A friend of mine just had a miscarriage this morning. This was her first baby

and she was so upset and devastated to go through this experience.

 

I want to cook some good for her and think I will make her some, cracked wheat

khichadi and soup.

 

Can anyone recommend any good recipes or foods that she can eat?

 

I am a student of ayurveda currently studying at the Ayurveda Institute of

America in Foster City, Ca with Dr. Jay Apte. I am enrolled in the 18mths

Diploma course which will allow me to become a wellness consultant. So far, I

have done 4 mths of the training.

 

Best Regards,

Dhara

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dhara;

Sattwic and vata pacifying is a good simple response for you here. As

our season is winter in addition to the miscarriage changes, extra

attentions of vata pacifications. But how far along was she? How

much pitta do you feel was involved? How much bleeding now/blood loss

from it? Often earlier stage miscarriages are high pitta related.

 

Stewed dried fruits maybe with apple or pear, pinch salt and 4 cloves,

part of a cinamon stick per serving served hot is rebuilding to iron,

soothing,keeps things moving, and easy to digest until the grief and

miscarriage effects on digestion (weakened) pass.

 

First thing I think of also is hot milk tonics with teaspoon of ghee,

rosewater, pinch of cardamom, sweetener of choice or soaked dates and

pinch of soaked saffron, 1/4 tsp pippali, perhaps some ground blanched

almond or soaked cashews with it also. Lifts the heart, supports

rebuilding/rejuvenation, as well as sooths the emotions/hormones and

doshas. Freshly made almond milk, can you do that? Dr. Lad's

rejuvenative date-almond smoothie. Sweets such as halvas which are

moist, protein and fat rich as well as carbs, with digestive

deliciousness in seasoning too are helpful.

 

Some personalized choices for extra supports nonetheless on agni are

probably appropriate to help burn the waste product residues, if it

was a later miscarriage most especially. Again, other herbs depend in

my opinion on other information about this mother's vikruti and

prakruti, current situation etc.

 

Coconut, soaked nut or dairy milk based puddings/konjees will be good,

favoring the more pitta/vata pacifying grain choices or tapioca.

 

Nourishing sattvic, tasty and easy to digest stews with mung,

alkalalizing and sweet vegetables. I'd favor asparagus, maybe

zucchini, and pumpkin or other winter squashes in soup too. Depending

on blood loss more iron rich ones, but care with these around the

immediate vata and pitta.

 

Quite probably a nice nasya with ghee, brahmi, sandalwood and

jatamamsi or shankapushpi for extra support with the mental/emotional

calm. Definitely with other herbs, ashoka (this more commonly put in

her herbal formula/to be taken with hot milk for uterus detox) will be

valuable.

 

These things come to mind at the moment - but her profile may indicate

some different recommendations. The khichadi is good idea, make it

gently moist not too firm, with extra ghee and not too much spiciness.

 

It is good to support her for natural grieving but not to neglect her

rejuvenation or it will linger on. IN any case it may take some weeks

or longer there. Loving friends, gentleness, some more seclusion and

simpler life interactions or responsibilities for a while is very

valuable. How long? A question depending on the mom's

situation/weeks pregnant, attachment to the pregnancy, and other

factors I've not been educated in except to paying attention. REst,

gentle warm oil massage or self massage with no deep digs, essential

oils and correct herbal and dietary nutrition can all be tremendous

support.

 

Please share Dr. Apte's advice if you get the chance to ask; it is

succinct and very effective by my experience.

 

Blessings;

Ysha

 

> A friend of mine just had a miscarriage this morning. This was her

first baby and she was so upset and devastated to go through this

[Guest guest]

Hi Ysha:

 

Thank you very much for your time and sharing great knowlege. I

cooked my friend some khichadi and warm soup...she really enjoyed

it. And she is drinking milk with ghee and eating more nuts/dates,

etc and ofcourse resting a lot. She had was 3.5 mths pregnant and

the the ultrasound showed nothing was left in her body.

 

I did happen to ask Dr. Apte also and here is what she had to say:

 

" She is in Vata state of mind, so ask her to eat all the warming

foods. Even if she is Pitta, she needs these foods right now. Season

is also cold, so those foods will help her. Tell her, that many

times this happens during first pregnancy. But she will get pregnant

soon, ask her to take rest during first 3 months. "

 

My friend is doing much better and she asked me to thank you for the

wonderful advice. Her mother-in-law flew from India to help her out

so she has good care at home.

 

Thank you again.

 

Warm Regards,

 

Dhara

 

ayurveda , " Ysha Oakes "

<AyurDoulas wrote:

>

> Hi Dhara;

> Sattwic and vata pacifying is a good simple response for you

here. As

> our season is winter in addition to the miscarriage changes, extra

> attentions of vata pacifications. But how far along was she? How

> much pitta do you feel was involved? How much bleeding now/blood

loss

> from it? Often earlier stage miscarriages are high pitta

related.

>

> Stewed dried fruits maybe with apple or pear, pinch salt and 4

cloves,

> part of a cinamon stick per serving served hot is rebuilding to

iron,

> soothing,keeps things moving, and easy to digest until the grief

and

> miscarriage effects on digestion (weakened) pass.

>

> First thing I think of also is hot milk tonics with teaspoon of

ghee,

> rosewater, pinch of cardamom, sweetener of choice or soaked dates

and

> pinch of soaked saffron, 1/4 tsp pippali, perhaps some ground

blanched

> almond or soaked cashews with it also. Lifts the heart, supports

> rebuilding/rejuvenation, as well as sooths the emotions/hormones

and

> doshas. Freshly made almond milk, can you do that? Dr. Lad's

> rejuvenative date-almond smoothie. Sweets such as halvas which are

> moist, protein and fat rich as well as carbs, with digestive

> deliciousness in seasoning too are helpful.

>

> Some personalized choices for extra supports nonetheless on agni

are

> probably appropriate to help burn the waste product residues, if it

> was a later miscarriage most especially. Again, other herbs

depend in

> my opinion on other information about this mother's vikruti and

> prakruti, current situation etc.

>

> Coconut, soaked nut or dairy milk based puddings/konjees will be

good,

> favoring the more pitta/vata pacifying grain choices or tapioca.

>

> Nourishing sattvic, tasty and easy to digest stews with mung,

> alkalalizing and sweet vegetables. I'd favor asparagus, maybe

> zucchini, and pumpkin or other winter squashes in soup too.

Depending

> on blood loss more iron rich ones, but care with these around the

> immediate vata and pitta.

>

> Quite probably a nice nasya with ghee, brahmi, sandalwood and

> jatamamsi or shankapushpi for extra support with the

mental/emotional

> calm. Definitely with other herbs, ashoka (this more commonly put

in

> her herbal formula/to be taken with hot milk for uterus detox)

will be

> valuable.

>

> These things come to mind at the moment - but her profile may

indicate

> some different recommendations. The khichadi is good idea, make it

> gently moist not too firm, with extra ghee and not too much

spiciness.

>

> It is good to support her for natural grieving but not to neglect

her

> rejuvenation or it will linger on. IN any case it may take some

weeks

> or longer there. Loving friends, gentleness, some more seclusion

and

> simpler life interactions or responsibilities for a while is very

> valuable. How long? A question depending on the mom's

> situation/weeks pregnant, attachment to the pregnancy, and other

> factors I've not been educated in except to paying attention.

REst,

> gentle warm oil massage or self massage with no deep digs,

essential

> oils and correct herbal and dietary nutrition can all be tremendous

> support.

>

> Please share Dr. Apte's advice if you get the chance to ask; it is

> succinct and very effective by my experience.

>

> Blessings;

> Ysha

>

> > A friend of mine just had a miscarriage this morning. This was

her

> first baby and she was so upset and devastated to go through this

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dhara;

Thank you so much for sharing this followup. We are always very happy

when the advice is welcomed and used; the results are no surprise of

course!

Namaste;

Ysha

 

Kindly remember to delete extra/lengthy text below messages - a

reminder to all! A little reminder is nice.

 

> cooked my friend some khichadi and warm soup...she really enjoyed

> it. And she is drinking milk with ghee and eating more nuts/dates,

> etc and ofcourse resting a lot. She had was 3.5 mths pregnant and

> the the ultrasound showed nothing was left in her body.