homemade PediaSure option request for 5 year old

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends;

 

One of our recipe testers writes her enjoyment doing recipe testing

(yes, we have a few more to do right away, and others not as urgent

for the more polish for publishers version later. Email me offline if

you can help and yor timing).

 

Stacey also asks for the subject line help for a 5 year old with

severe muscular problems. Though I have never used Pediasure, I

expect Ayurveda has very good options for this condition, including

addressing the specific agni (enzyme process) for muscle tissue,

delivery of herbal medicines to it, and cleansing of the precursor

phase as well as muscle shrotas (channels). Stacey, perhaps you can

share more about this child? To what extent do you think this mother

is willing to work with Ayurvedic options?

 

Namaste

Ysha

 

" My oldest daughter has really enjoyed trying these new flavors and

has been looking forward to dinner. She is requesting the chai tea

almost nightly. (eds note, this is caffiene free).

 

I am looking for a recipe for a nutritional high calorie drink

similar to PediaSure for one of my past clients. Her 5 year old son

has severe muscular problems and must be on a liquid/soft diet. She

wants something that she can make at home since the Pediasure is very

expensive and she questions many of the ingredients. Do you know of

anything?

 

Thank you,

Stacey

[Guest guest]

Hello Ysha,

 

How about coconut water? It's amazing stuff. You can do a google

search for " health benefits of coconut water " and get a lot of

information. Here's a snip it.

 

Here is some information about Coconut Water:

 

" It's a natural isotonic beverage, with the same level of

electrolytic balance as we have in our blood. It's the fluid of life,

so to speak. " In fact, during the Pacific War of 1941-45, both sides

in the conflict regularly used coconut water - siphoned directly from

the nut - to give emergency plasma trasfusions to wounded soldiers.

 

Most coconut water is still consumed fresh in tropical coastal areas

- once exposed to air, the liquid rapidly loses most of its

organoleptic and nutritional characteristics, and begins to ferment.

 

Coconut Water is More Nutritious than whole milk - Less fat and NO

cholesterol!

Coconut Water is More Healthy than Orange Juice - Much lower calories

Coconut Water is Better than processed baby milk- It contains lauric

acid, which is present in human mother's milk

Coconut water is naturally sterile -- Water permeates though the

filtering husk!

Coconut water is a universal donor-- Its identical to human blook plasma

Coconut Water is a Natural Isotonic Beverage - The same level we have

in our blood.

Coconut water has saved lives in 3rd world countries thru Coconut IV.

" Coconut water is the very stuff of Nature, biologically Pure, full

of Natural Sugars, Salts, and Vitamins to ward off fatigue... and is

the next wave of energy drinks BUT natural! " , according to Mortin

Satin, Chielf of the United Nation's Food & Agriculture Organization.

 

Coconut water contains more potassium (at about 294 mg) than most

sports drinks (117 mg) and most energy drinks.

 

Coconut water has less sodium (25mg) where sports drinks have around

41mg and energy drinks have about 200 mg!

 

Coconut water has 5mg of Natural Sugars where sports and energy

drinks range from 10-25mg of Altered Sugars.

 

Coconut water is very high in Chloride at 118mg, compared to sports

drinks at about 39mg.

 

Data is based on a 100ml drink.

 

 

Patti Garland

Ayurvedic Chef and LifeStyle Coach

Bliss Kitchen

http://www.BlissKitchen.com

(760) 902-7020

 

 

 

On Sep 13, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Ysha Oakes wrote:

 

Dear Friends;

 

One of our recipe testers writes her enjoyment doing recipe testing

(yes, we have a few more to do right away, and others not as urgent

for the more polish for publishers version later. Email me offline if

you can help and yor timing).

 

Stacey also asks for the subject line help for a 5 year old with

severe muscular problems. Though I have never used Pediasure, I

expect Ayurveda has very good options for this condition, including

addressing the specific agni (enzyme process) for muscle tissue,

delivery of herbal medicines to it, and cleansing of the precursor

phase as well as muscle shrotas (channels). Stacey, perhaps you can

share more about this child? To what extent do you think this mother

is willing to work with Ayurvedic options?

 

Namaste

Ysha

 

" My oldest daughter has really enjoyed trying these new flavors and

has been looking forward to dinner. She is requesting the chai tea

almost nightly. (eds note, this is caffiene free).

 

I am looking for a recipe for a nutritional high calorie drink

similar to PediaSure for one of my past clients. Her 5 year old son

has severe muscular problems and must be on a liquid/soft diet. She

wants something that she can make at home since the Pediasure is very

expensive and she questions many of the ingredients. Do you know of

anything?

 

Thank you,

Stacey

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Patti, not to sound simple but where does one find coconut water? A coconut is

hard to open, is there any other way? Vicky

 

-

Patti Garland

ayurveda

Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:28 PM

Re: PerinatalAyurveda forum homemade PediaSure option request for 5

year old

 

 

Hello Ysha,

 

How about coconut water? It's amazing stuff. You can do a google

search for " health benefits of coconut water " and get a lot of

information. Here's a snip it.

 

Here is some information about Coconut Water:

 

" It's a natural isotonic beverage, with the same level of

electrolytic balance as we have in our blood. It's the fluid of life,

so to speak. " In fact, during the Pacific War of 1941-45, both sides

in the conflict regularly used coconut water - siphoned directly from

the nut - to give emergency plasma trasfusions to wounded soldiers.

 

Most coconut water is still consumed fresh in tropical coastal areas

- once exposed to air, the liquid rapidly loses most of its

organoleptic and nutritional characteristics, and begins to ferment.

 

Coconut Water is More Nutritious than whole milk - Less fat and NO

cholesterol!

Coconut Water is More Healthy than Orange Juice - Much lower calories

Coconut Water is Better than processed baby milk- It contains lauric

acid, which is present in human mother's milk

Coconut water is naturally sterile -- Water permeates though the

filtering husk!

Coconut water is a universal donor-- Its identical to human blook plasma

Coconut Water is a Natural Isotonic Beverage - The same level we have

in our blood.

Coconut water has saved lives in 3rd world countries thru Coconut IV.

" Coconut water is the very stuff of Nature, biologically Pure, full

of Natural Sugars, Salts, and Vitamins to ward off fatigue... and is

the next wave of energy drinks BUT natural! " , according to Mortin

Satin, Chielf of the United Nation's Food & Agriculture Organization.

 

Coconut water contains more potassium (at about 294 mg) than most

sports drinks (117 mg) and most energy drinks.

 

Coconut water has less sodium (25mg) where sports drinks have around

41mg and energy drinks have about 200 mg!

 

Coconut water has 5mg of Natural Sugars where sports and energy

drinks range from 10-25mg of Altered Sugars.

 

Coconut water is very high in Chloride at 118mg, compared to sports

drinks at about 39mg.

 

Data is based on a 100ml drink.

 

Patti Garland

Ayurvedic Chef and LifeStyle Coach

Bliss Kitchen

http://www.BlissKitchen.com

(760) 902-7020

 

On Sep 13, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Ysha Oakes wrote:

 

Dear Friends;

 

One of our recipe testers writes her enjoyment doing recipe testing

(yes, we have a few more to do right away, and others not as urgent

for the more polish for publishers version later. Email me offline if

you can help and yor timing).

 

Stacey also asks for the subject line help for a 5 year old with

severe muscular problems. Though I have never used Pediasure, I

expect Ayurveda has very good options for this condition, including

addressing the specific agni (enzyme process) for muscle tissue,

delivery of herbal medicines to it, and cleansing of the precursor

phase as well as muscle shrotas (channels). Stacey, perhaps you can

share more about this child? To what extent do you think this mother

is willing to work with Ayurvedic options?

 

Namaste

Ysha

 

" My oldest daughter has really enjoyed trying these new flavors and

has been looking forward to dinner. She is requesting the chai tea

almost nightly. (eds note, this is caffiene free).

 

I am looking for a recipe for a nutritional high calorie drink

similar to PediaSure for one of my past clients. Her 5 year old son

has severe muscular problems and must be on a liquid/soft diet. She

wants something that she can make at home since the Pediasure is very

expensive and she questions many of the ingredients. Do you know of

anything?

 

Thank you,

Stacey

 

[Guest guest]

Scroll all the way down the page, and you'll see a video of how to

open the coconut. Also, I don't always use the meat because I drink

so many coconuts. So I use a screwdriver and hammer and punch two

holes in the top and drain the juice into a measuring cup through a

sieve.

 

Make sure to buy the young white coconuts, and not the brown ones.

 

http://www.rawguru.com/html/openyoungcoconut.html

 

Here's another option...http://www.onenaturalexperience.com/onehealth/

 

I haven't personally tried this product, because I can easily get

coconuts where I live, and I imagine it's cheaper buying them

unprocessed. But if you're in a pinch, this is probably better than

nothing.

 

I've also been pleasantly surprised at the remote grocery stores that

I've been in that actually have the young coconuts. Now that there're

on your radar you'll start to notice them too!

 

Patti

--

Patti Garland

Ayurvedic Chef and LifeStyle Coach

Bliss Kitchen

http://www.BlissKitchen.com

(760) 902-7020

 

 

 

On Sep 13, 2007, at 8:57 PM, <VMYORK

<VMYORK wrote:

 

Patti, not to sound simple but where does one find coconut water? A

coconut is hard to open, is there any other way? Vicky

 

 

..

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Try this link instead...

 

http://www.onenaturalexperience.com/onehealth/

 

Patti Garland

Ayurvedic Chef and LifeStyle Coach

Bliss Kitchen

http://www.BlissKitchen.com

(760) 902-7020

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Little off track, but I was surprised by the question about how to open the

coconut.

 

 

In India you can get fresh tender coconut at every nook and corner. A

typical moving stall with a heap of green coconuts on it, a person (usually

from Kerala) wearing a cloth called 'Lungi' He asks you what kind of

coconut you want – one with lots of water or more meat? Then he wields out

his dagger. He holds the coconut in one hand and with fearful movements of

his other hand holding the 'weapon,' he slashes off the top part of coconut.

With one final stroke, as if with magic, he carves out a kind of spoon out

of the skin of the tender coconut. Then he puts a straw into the coconut

and hands it over to you. You may eat the meat and drink the water. Feels

heavenly on a hot Indian summer day.

 

Dr. Thite

 

 

On 9/14/07, Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas wrote:

>

> Dear Friends;

>

> One of our recipe testers writes her enjoyment doing recipe testing

> (yes, we have a few more to do right away, and others not as urgent

> for the more polish for publishers version later. Email me offline if

> you can help and yor timing).

>

> Stacey also asks for the subject line help for a 5 year old with

> severe muscular problems. Though I have never used Pediasure, I

> expect Ayurveda has very good options for this condition, including

> addressing the specific agni (enzyme process) for muscle tissue,

> delivery of herbal medicines to it, and cleansing of the precursor

> phase as well as muscle shrotas (channels). Stacey, perhaps you can

> share more about this child? To what extent do you think this mother

> is willing to work with Ayurvedic options?

>

> Namaste

> Ysha

>

> " My oldest daughter has really enjoyed trying these new flavors and

> has been looking forward to dinner. She is requesting the chai tea

> almost nightly. (eds note, this is caffiene free).

>

> I am looking for a recipe for a nutritional high calorie drink

> similar to PediaSure for one of my past clients. Her 5 year old son

> has severe muscular problems and must be on a liquid/soft diet. She

> wants something that she can make at home since the Pediasure is very

> expensive and she questions many of the ingredients. Do you know of

> anything?

>

> Thank you,

> Stacey

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Ahhhh...

That was a nice little mental vacation! Thanks Dr. Thite!

 

Shell

 

 

ayurveda

[ayurveda ] On Behalf Of cm thite

Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:34 PM

ayurveda

Re: PerinatalAyurveda forum homemade PediaSure option request for 5

year old

 

Little off track, but I was surprised by the question about how to open the

coconut.

 

 

In India you can get fresh tender coconut at every nook and corner. A

typical moving stall with a heap of green coconuts on it, a person (usually

from Kerala) wearing a cloth called 'Lungi' He asks you what kind of

coconut you want - one with lots of water or more meat? Then he wields out

his dagger. He holds the coconut in one hand and with fearful movements of

his other hand holding the 'weapon,' he slashes off the top part of coconut.

With one final stroke, as if with magic, he carves out a kind of spoon out

of the skin of the tender coconut. Then he puts a straw into the coconut

and hands it over to you. You may eat the meat and drink the water. Feels

heavenly on a hot Indian summer day.

 

Dr. Thite

 

 

On 9/14/07, Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas wrote:

>

> Dear Friends;

>

> One of our recipe testers writes her enjoyment doing recipe testing

> (yes, we have a few more to do right away, and others not as urgent

> for the more polish for publishers version later. Email me offline if

> you can help and yor timing).

>

> Stacey also asks for the subject line help for a 5 year old with

> severe muscular problems. Though I have never used Pediasure, I

> expect Ayurveda has very good options for this condition, including

> addressing the specific agni (enzyme process) for muscle tissue,

> delivery of herbal medicines to it, and cleansing of the precursor

> phase as well as muscle shrotas (channels). Stacey, perhaps you can

> share more about this child? To what extent do you think this mother

> is willing to work with Ayurvedic options?

>

> Namaste

> Ysha

>

> " My oldest daughter has really enjoyed trying these new flavors and

> has been looking forward to dinner. She is requesting the chai tea

> almost nightly. (eds note, this is caffiene free).

>

> I am looking for a recipe for a nutritional high calorie drink

> similar to PediaSure for one of my past clients. Her 5 year old son

> has severe muscular problems and must be on a liquid/soft diet. She

> wants something that she can make at home since the Pediasure is very

> expensive and she questions many of the ingredients. Do you know of

> anything?

>

> Thank you,

> Stacey

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the suggestions of using coconut water.

 

I will give a little more background on this little boy who needs

help. He is 5 years old and weighs about 35 pounds. He has very

little muscle control or development, although he is perfect

cognitively. He has an inability to chew, so his food must be liquid

or pureed. He is very fortunate to have a mother that will do

anything to advocate for him and to ensure that he has everything that

he needs.

His doctors are yet again threatening a feeding tube to increase

his caloric intake. This is not an option that the mother wants.

This is why she is searching for a new " formula " for him. It needs to

be high calorie, high nutrient due to his limited ability to intake

food. She is open to all options. Any additional suggestions that I

can pass on to her?

 

Thank you,

Stacey

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends;

 

Stacey also wrote

>My concern with just the coconut water is - not enough calories to

keep the Dr's happy, also fresh coconuts are not readily available in

our area. I have passed this info on to my mom.

 

I'm happy to see you are still in the conversation. I figured a 5

year old needed more than coconut water, but did not know details of

his situation. Of course, the coconut water is great for what it is

great for including electrolyte balance. There is an excellent brand

unadulterated available in maybe 8 or 12 oz cartons of just coconut

water, many children love it. Harvest Thyme or some such name is the

company, undoubtedly can be online ordered and shipped as an augment

to what else is obviously needed.

 

Which is beyond my training and I " d like to defer after sharing what

little I have. A girlfriend had a boy in sounds like similar

situation. He responded very well to adding ghee or other good fats

as well as appropriate digestive seasonings to the liquid foods she so

lovingly prepared and fed him, and to being sure they were freshly

cooked.

 

For mamsa dhatu (muscle tissue) , I have in my notes this tissue is

fed especially by yogurt, chicken broth and well, warm water all these

according to Dr. Lad act as a carrier (anupana) for nutrients and

herbs to this tissue. Key herbs indicated for nourishing and building

mamsa dhatu are ashwagandha and bala. But details such as history,

ama and agni evaluation, need to cleanse that tissue/remove toxins etc

are needed before I would go further, and it sounds like something the

vaidyas would address better.

 

Blessings;

Ysha

 

 

> Thank you for the suggestions of using coconut water.

>

> I will give a little more background on this little boy who needs

> help. He is 5 years old and weighs about 35 pounds. He has very

> little muscle control or development, although he is perfect

> cognitively. He has an inability to chew, so his food must be liquid

> or pureed. He is very fortunate to have a mother that will do

> anything to advocate for him and to ensure that he has everything that

> he needs.

> His doctors are yet again threatening a feeding tube to increase

> his caloric intake. This is not an option that the mother wants.

> This is why she is searching for a new " formula " for him. It needs to

> be high calorie, high nutrient due to his limited ability to intake

> food. She is open to all options. Any additional suggestions that I

> can pass on to her?

>

> Thank you,

> Stacey

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Stacey

 

I have seen a few patients with pseudomuscular dystrophy (which has similar

symptoms, but is progressive disease). I know one vaidya here who has tried

pindasveda with some success.

 

I would try to look for the possible 'causes' for this condition, which may

range from genetic (beejadosha) to wrong diet and behavior during

pregnancy. My wife had treated a similar case but it was limited to ankle

dysplasia and leg muscle weakness which was treated internally by various

medicines, but mainly with those to improve asthi-dhatu, and externally with

muruvenna tailam. This gave excellent results and now the kid is 4-5 years

old and she can now walk (with a limp, but far improved).

 

In a case like yours, we are certainly dealing with a complicated issue

here. Most probably, the 'mamsadhatu' is underdeveloped and is weak.

Assuming this as initial working hypothesis, you may use any oil for

development of mamsadhatu such as bala tailam for external uses. 'Strength'

is a function of asthidhatu, therefore, in my opinion we may use oils

mentioned for ashtibhagna (bony fracture) for external application, eg,,

lakshadi tailam, Muruvenna tailam, etc. this may be supplemented by

asthi-nourishing diet, herbs, and behavior.

 

If this is developmental, then it means the muscles and ligaments are not

formed normally right from the beginning during the pregnancy period.

Formation and regeneration of new tissue is said to be function of shukra

dhatu and one may think of using medications to improve shukra such as

ashvagandha tailam, shatavari tailam, etc. There may be some other aspects

to this particular case such as possibility of stanyadosha (impure maternal

breast milk), parigarbhic vyadhi (these develop due to ingestion of breast

milk of a pregnant mother), etc., which may be taken into consideration

before deciding treatment regimen.

 

Dr Thite

www.ayurvedicrx.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Here is a tasty dish that I've been enjoying recently with bananas

from a friends tree, and delicious organic figs I got at the market.

 

Bananas, Figs and Dates with a little honey (Lavender is yummy). I

believe this is good for building muscle tissue, as well as taste

mighty fine!

 

xo

Patti

--

Patti Garland

Ayurvedic Chef and LifeStyle Coach

Bliss Kitchen

http://www.BlissKitchen.com

(760) 902-7020

 

 

 

On Sep 15, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Ysha Oakes wrote:

 

For mamsa dhatu (muscle tissue)