Bleeding during menopause urgency

[Guest guest]

Dear Dr. Bhate;

YOur tremendous grace, sharing so much experience and wisdom

continues to bring so much gratitude. Thank you so much for your

very generous kind heart. You share real abundance!

 

REcent conversations with a girlfriend in early menopause are not

directly related to this conversation or forum's purposes, but may I

enquire for guidance in this regard. Seemingly very healthy and

vital vegetarian hard working many decades mother, devotee of

Krishna living in Florida, age in her mid 40's I believe. She has

begun and not stopped many days now heavy bleeding with abundant

clotting. Getting her off her feet it has taking MA Nature's

messages to this effect alone, she is so dedicated to her family and

work.

 

Diet may have been excess in estrogenics, soy, flax oil being

notable. We have discussed pitta reducing diet, and she is taking

shatavari/amalaki/neem/sandalwood may be one other in hemostat/blood

cooling direction which was available to her, in coconut fat 3X

daily. She used diary for years now minimizes it.

 

I have shared the value of and recipe to purify alum and add, not

sure how much is recommended, and she has not had opportunity yet.

It worked very well for me, mixed with other herbs including ashoka,

in cold butter tid. Of course, I also was nto allowed to lift

anything or cook for a couple weeks, and have passed this advice on

also.

 

Namaste;

Ysha

[Guest guest]

Thanks Ysha, a subject author was almost waiting to write.

 

For most women suffering from this condition, the conventional

prognosis is only loosing the womb, a scientific name being

hysterectomy.

 

it's something that affects one in four women sometime in their life.

hysterectomy is one of the more traumatic surgical operations, and

yet it is one of the most common.

 

One-third of American women and one-fifth of British women will have

had their womb removed by the time they reach the age of 60, and most

have the procedure in order to stop heavy menstrual bleeding (HMB).

Despite its frequency, the advice is just plain wrong, the National

Institute for Health and Clinical Evidence (NICE) has announced two

weeks ago. Too many doctors still believe that a hysterectomy is the

only way to stop HMB, and yet there are many other therapies that are

far less radical that could be just as effective.

 

So, instead, NICE is asking women to find out for themselves all

their options. In most cases, a hysterectomy is unnecessary, and

pointless. Menstrual bleeding is as likely to be caused by hormonal

imbalances, thyroid problems, or fibroids, and so can be treated with

supplements, drugs or minor surgery.

(Source: The Times, 24 January 2007).

 

Thanks God that now that NICE is worried baout the issues and

ordinary people like this author do not have to shout from roof top.

Ayurvedic approaches to save the womb are written by this author long

time back at:

 

http://health.ayurveda/message/6375

 

Above post contains recommendations for diet, lifestyle and

medication also. One medication which is left out there

is " Pradarantak Ras " tablets, which contain silver bhasma (Roupya

Bhasma in ayurveda). Author has personal experience with all the

medications written there. IN the extreme cases, author himself

compounds a medicine from Chandrakala Ras, Sutsekhar Ras, Godanti

Bhasma and Praval Pishti, the formulation proportion depending on

the pulse of the patient and has seen that bleeding stops within a

few hours, even if patient is dripping continuously.

 

In our male dominant society, ladies have to undergo all family

planning burden and this is often causing Heavy bleeding. To

emphasize this issue author includes some interesting studies carried

out on women who had undergone tubectomy:

 

A British study of tubal ligation found a 40% increase in

menstrual blood loss; 26% of the group experienced increased

menstrual pain. Women who had used the Pill before their tubal

ligation reported more of these complains than other patients.12

 

A study by James G. Tappan found a 40.7% incidence of menorrhagia and

suggested that cystic degeneration of the ovary may result from

interruption of blood flow from the uterine artery.13 A longitudinal

study of over 8,000 women five years after their tubal ligations

found 49% of them suffered heavy periods and 35% reported an increase

of severe menstrual cramping.14 The risk of cervical cancer among a

study of 489 post-tubal women was 3.5 times the normal rate.15

 

In his practice, this author came across several women who developed

obesity as a result of Cystic ovaries/disturbed hormones, and later,

after developing central obsity had heavy bleeding, may be by just

pressure on ovaries.

 

Let us conclude by saying that if trauma to ovaries causes premature

menopause, trauma to womb causes premature old age and depression, as

found in some cases. Even after menopause, women need a little

estrogen and progesterone to love their grand children. And modern

science feels that supplimentation on estrogen is necessary but not

progesterone if womb is missing!

 

Ayurveda feels if you take fertility foods, no supplimentation itself

is necessary, since every sprouting grain is a mother and you become

what you eat. As long as you remain mother, you are happy. By the

way, the tablets for boosting progesterone are not to be given if

heavy bleeding is going on.

 

ayurveda , " Ysha Oakes "

<AyurDoulas wrote:

>

> Dear Dr. Bhate;

> REcent conversations with a girlfriend in early menopause are not

> directly related to this conversation or forum's purposes, but may

I

> enquire for guidance in this regard. Seemingly very healthy and

> vital vegetarian hard working many decades mother, devotee of

> Krishna living in Florida, age in her mid 40's I believe. She has

> begun and not stopped many days now heavy bleeding with abundant

> clotting. Getting her off her feet it has taking MA Nature's

> messages to this effect alone, she is so dedicated to her family

and

> work.

>

> Diet may have been excess in estrogenics, soy, flax oil being

> notable. We have discussed pitta reducing diet, and she is taking

> shatavari/amalaki/neem/sandalwood may be one other in

hemostat/blood

> cooling direction which was available to her, in coconut fat 3X

> daily. She used diary for years now minimizes it.

>

> I have shared the value of and recipe to purify alum and add, not

> sure how much is recommended, and she has not had opportunity yet.

> It worked very well for me, mixed with other herbs including

ashoka,

> in cold butter tid. Of course, I also was nto allowed to lift

> anything or cook for a couple weeks, and have passed this advice on

> also.

[Guest guest]

Hello, this post has brought me out of hybernation to respond, and

paradoxically, hybernation is a part of the menopause experience. My

comment is based totatlly on my personal, ancedotal experience of

menopause and doing so " early. " My " menopause year " as I call it,

that medical model one year of no menses was at age 48-49 after two

years of menstration every 3 to 9 months. No heaving bleeding.

 

I started my training in the prenatal trauma healing in Feb, 02, a

month after my divorce. I went from very regular, normal bleeding to

bleeding mid cycle at my first training, and I was never regular

again. I was " fighting " and " resisting " menopause (aging), but in

June, 04 I did a training with Ina May and the midwives at the Farm.

Long story short, after an amazing week on many levels --- and being

the second oldest participant, me in my 40's, her in her 50's and

with all twenty-somethings -- at the closing circle of women of all

ages from babe in arms to Ina May and the midwives, I found myself

experiencing my " initiation " in crone-hood. I EMBRACED IT. And, I

have worked it, flowed with it, and I have never had any menopausal

symptoms of hot flashes, mood swings, night sweats. For that " year "

I had to give up caffeine because of heart palpitations and I have

gained belly weight. I awoke frequently in the night between three

and four and embracing it from great inspirations to come to me.

 

I developed some theories ---- this timing corresponded with my

daughter inlaw being in Iraq when the war started and then a " growth

spurt " in our relationship based on the creating of adult

relationship between me and my son. For a year, fall of 2003 she and

I really sparred -- and we dearly love and respect each other. I

was in my year or two of transition.I should say I had the EMOTIONS,

etc and probably " mood swings " but I intended to use all of my

skills to move through them with dignity and power, and not just

preserving, but healing and enhancing relationships. Every woman

should have someone so loving and compassionate as my daughter-in-

law to engage with, to have herself reflected to her to embrace

herself and to heal. Susun Weed talks about how in previous times

the man would build a separate place for his wife during her

menopause. Women NEED to be alone, in the cave. Modern life doesn't

allow. Decade long marriages where the woman has compromised herself

and her deepest needs for others' comes out. If HE is still there,

in the same pattern -- it ain't so pretty sometimes. It's no

accident I divorced my husband who was emotionally, verbally, and

physically abusive just as my body went abruptly into early

menopause.

 

So, ANYTHING that comes up for me -- in relationship to the world or

others -- my mantra is " go within " . I have had that perspective for

years and I had little PMS issues as well. I believe that socially

the feminine is so out of wack --- the attempts to control and

eliminate menstration, rahter than embrace it, and there is

something within us that KNOWS this is a sacred time and event, and

that it is dishonored in our society. " Bitchy " , " on the rag " , etc.

The pill shuts women's systems down and it shuts down the emotions

and the soul --- it has to come out.

 

I came to believe that menopause is when a woman takes back her

life. She gets to " review " her life, right the wrongs within,

forgive and heal herself within. She gets to HONOR HERSELF in a way

that NO ONE else ever will. She claims her life. I had a lot of that

to do. My son's deployment to Iraq has been a part of it --- always

in the background until May when he got his orders. I was meandering

around " in the cave " until then and went down a long dark corrider.

On my good days, I am blessed to be on this journey with him -- to

have the opportunity to go to such depths to heal. To reallly

experience non-attachment as to release my " child " to live his

soul's mission.

 

I have used every skill I have in alternative therapies of body-mind-

soul and trauma healing, AND I found essential oils -- via Ysha --

to faciliate " going within " -- always going within to release. I

read on www.susunweed.com some amazing things. Early on -- when I

was irregular and wishing I had honored my blood more I had one more

opportunityt to do so. Susun had written something about menopause

being when " a woman keeps her blood to herself. " Reading that was

one of those moments we've all had --- it spoke the truth to me.

Years and years of giving through childbirth and the heart to many

people, including in my profession ... always giving. Menopause was

about me. ABOUT ME!! ME embracing MY LIFE!! I am always a mother --

but it was ok to be me and give to me. THey are souls on their

journey, they are adults. My life is no longer in sacrifice to

others -- when I consider the option of " giving my life " to keep

my son from participating in Iraq, it was only moments before I

realized that I have no right to do such a thing. He is entitled to

his life and his soul's plan. Healing the emotions that arise out

their lives-- like my son being in Iraq has brought up many, many

more " issues " and " regrets " for me to forgive myself for -- frees

me to live my own. And, it has brought up memories of sweet,

cherished times with him and the other children, that might have

otherwise not gotten to the surface in the busy world I live in.

 

No longer concerned with pregnancy and menstration is one thing ---

but I learned from a chiropractor recently that women's bodies go

back to an energetic state of that of a young girl, the maiden,

whose body is just free to be. It's not working so hard like it is

during childbearing years. That made so much sense to me -- I KNOW

elder women like that. Not only that new energy, but the intuitive

aspect is free to express when one is not bound up with caring for

other's every neeed and physiological processes.

 

My advice to young women is live your life (emotionally,

physicially, and spiritually) in a way so that you don't have so

much to thrash through later. The emotional lifestyle I denied ---

the things I worked so hard to deny (ie., abusive relationships

while presenting myself to the world as whole) throughout my younger

years came flooding up to be seen and released. If we don't take a

good, hard look at ourselves and make good choices, we get another

chance, and another chance, and another. I think it contributes to

huge emotional issues and physical issues. My opinion of menopause

is that is THE TIME to do the healing that will bring forth the

passage into a new way of being as woman. Our society doesn't honor

that.

 

I am grateful I lived a mostly healthy and organic lifestyle through

four pregnancies and most of my life. I used soy years ago when it

wasn't known. I fixed a huge turkey once a month --- because it was

so cheap every month besides november AND, we liked it. I have

always followed my body's instincts --- I stopped using soy about

four years ago. I still like a stirfry but I don't use it daily. I

always wondered about these new discoveries from other countries and

thought it odd to see people scarfing down tofu in their late

forties to eliminate hot flashes. I thought it seemed weird concept

to not consider the life long consumption or at certain times.

Oddly, I STOPPED eating soy at the time they say to use it for hot

flashes, and I rarely have had a hot flash. When I read Susun weed's

site I found that I was or had been doing what she said --- such as

eating meat big time in late 2001 -- so rare for me. And, eating

calcium rich foods and vegetarean in " the year " and the one before.

 

Following the flow --- the INTERNAL flow -- I believe, is the

journey of menopause.

 

I am not editing this --- it just flowed out. I hope you find it

helpful for yourself or for a woman in your life who is menopausal.

She is so vulnerable and yet so powerful. She needs loving, gentle

kindness, touch and words. She needs people who allow her and

support her to " let it out " even when it is ugly. And, to cry, cry,

cry ..... I had some special people in my life --- an uncle who met

me in processing the deep wounding from violence and men, and my

daughter-in-law who loved my son and me enough to really " show up "

and engage with me to look at the life my son had lived because of

my earlier choices. Love and forgiveness --- that's what a

menopausal woman needs. Excessive bleeding is a woman who doesn't

have that -- that's my guess.

 

aaaaoooaaaaaoohhhhhhhooooooooooooo

 

janel

 

 

-- In ayurveda , " Shirish Bhate "

<shirishbhate wrote:

>

> Thanks Ysha, a subject author was almost waiting to write.

>

> For most women suffering from this condition, the conventional

> prognosis is only loosing the womb, a scientific name being

> hysterectomy.

>

> it's something that affects one in four women sometime in their

life.

> hysterectomy is one of the more traumatic surgical operations,

and

> yet it is one of the most common.

>

> One-third of American women and one-fifth of British women will

have

> had their womb removed by the time they reach the age of 60, and

most

> have the procedure in order to stop heavy menstrual bleeding (HMB).

> Despite its frequency, the advice is just plain wrong, the

National

> Institute for Health and Clinical Evidence (NICE) has announced

two

> weeks ago. Too many doctors still believe that a hysterectomy is

the

> only way to stop HMB, and yet there are many other therapies that

are

> far less radical that could be just as effective.

>

> So, instead, NICE is asking women to find out for themselves all

> their options. In most cases, a hysterectomy is unnecessary, and

> pointless. Menstrual bleeding is as likely to be caused by

hormonal

> imbalances, thyroid problems, or fibroids, and so can be treated

with

> supplements, drugs or minor surgery.

> (Source: The Times, 24 January 2007).

>

> Thanks God that now that NICE is worried baout the issues and

> ordinary people like this author do not have to shout from roof

top.

> Ayurvedic approaches to save the womb are written by this author

long

> time back at:

>

> http://health.ayurveda/message/6375

>

> Above post contains recommendations for diet, lifestyle and

> medication also. One medication which is left out there

> is " Pradarantak Ras " tablets, which contain silver bhasma (Roupya

> Bhasma in ayurveda). Author has personal experience with all the

> medications written there. IN the extreme cases, author himself

> compounds a medicine from Chandrakala Ras, Sutsekhar Ras, Godanti

> Bhasma and Praval Pishti, the formulation proportion depending on

> the pulse of the patient and has seen that bleeding stops within a

> few hours, even if patient is dripping continuously.

>

> In our male dominant society, ladies have to undergo all family

> planning burden and this is often causing Heavy bleeding. To

> emphasize this issue author includes some interesting studies

carried

> out on women who had undergone tubectomy:

>

> A British study of tubal ligation found a 40% increase in

> menstrual blood loss; 26% of the group experienced increased

> menstrual pain. Women who had used the Pill before their tubal

> ligation reported more of these complains than other patients.12

>

> A study by James G. Tappan found a 40.7% incidence of menorrhagia

and

> suggested that cystic degeneration of the ovary may result from

> interruption of blood flow from the uterine artery.13 A

longitudinal

> study of over 8,000 women five years after their tubal ligations

> found 49% of them suffered heavy periods and 35% reported an

increase

> of severe menstrual cramping.14 The risk of cervical cancer among a

> study of 489 post-tubal women was 3.5 times the normal rate.15

>

> In his practice, this author came across several women who

developed

> obesity as a result of Cystic ovaries/disturbed hormones, and

later,

> after developing central obsity had heavy bleeding, may be by just

> pressure on ovaries.

>

> Let us conclude by saying that if trauma to ovaries causes

premature

> menopause, trauma to womb causes premature old age and depression,

as

> found in some cases. Even after menopause, women need a little

> estrogen and progesterone to love their grand children. And modern

> science feels that supplimentation on estrogen is necessary but

not

> progesterone if womb is missing!

>

> Ayurveda feels if you take fertility foods, no supplimentation

itself

> is necessary, since every sprouting grain is a mother and you

become

> what you eat. As long as you remain mother, you are happy. By the

> way, the tablets for boosting progesterone are not to be given if

> heavy bleeding is going on.

>

> ayurveda , " Ysha Oakes "

> <AyurDoulas@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Dr. Bhate;

> > REcent conversations with a girlfriend in early menopause are

not

> > directly related to this conversation or forum's purposes, but

may

> I

> > enquire for guidance in this regard. Seemingly very healthy and

> > vital vegetarian hard working many decades mother, devotee of

> > Krishna living in Florida, age in her mid 40's I believe. She

has

> > begun and not stopped many days now heavy bleeding with abundant

> > clotting. Getting her off her feet it has taking MA Nature's

> > messages to this effect alone, she is so dedicated to her family

> and

> > work.

> >

> > Diet may have been excess in estrogenics, soy, flax oil being

> > notable. We have discussed pitta reducing diet, and she is

taking

> > shatavari/amalaki/neem/sandalwood may be one other in

> hemostat/blood

> > cooling direction which was available to her, in coconut fat 3X

> > daily. She used diary for years now minimizes it.

> >

> > I have shared the value of and recipe to purify alum and add,

not

> > sure how much is recommended, and she has not had opportunity

yet.

> > It worked very well for me, mixed with other herbs including

> ashoka,

> > in cold butter tid. Of course, I also was nto allowed to lift

> > anything or cook for a couple weeks, and have passed this advice

on

> > also.

>

[Guest guest]

So much to share about! My girlfriend is doing very well - after

finally stopping doing too much for others and her loving family and

taking temporarily some allopathic remedy, she is engaging an

accupuncturist and others for natural supports and staying in bed for

a week or more. The ayurvedic side of your discussion will reserve

for another time.

 

RE your comment -

>Love and forgiveness --- that's what a menopausal woman needs.

Excessive bleeding is a woman who doesn't have that -- that's my guess.

 

She has it in great blessings, but receiving it deeply, this may be

more the wise way of talking about it.

 

Love,

Ysha