one hour after birth is most important hour

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Dear Moms

Janel has been shouting through the roof here how babies need to be

looked after prenatal and an hur after birth. An interesting live story

as told by a doctor father is here:

 

http://health./message/3179

[Guest guest]

aaaaahhhhahoooooowwwwwwwwww

 

very sweet --- babies need the mother or father's constant voice and

heart beat in the first hours and days and weeks and months of life.

mother's heart and body has regulated the baby's heart to hers in

their own rhythm. Why would baby not need to be need to mother or

father? The miracle of how women can actually give birth and babies

survive in modern medicine is a testament to how strong we humans

are. But why use up so much of the life force just to get here??

 

Quite a birth that little guy had. Reminds me of the website

www.eheart.com, a site about and for cesarean born people. In my

work we acknowledge and honor that birth that was because it IS a

real part of the baby. We don't want to diminish or shame because of

what it, but to honor and in doing so, bring the gifts out the

shadows. Cesarean born children have amazing gifts from being

cesaran born, as the author sees in his son. Eheart.com talks about

that a lot. And, what if we did see birth as the soul's journey and

mother's and father's were spiritually engaged. (I see mothers who

so much want the softest, gentlest birth for their baby and prepare

for homebirth only to have horrible cesection. Accident? No. Baby

and mother's soul journey together, I believe. A baby such as this

actually does very well --- sometimes more so than the mother who

can't let go of her wishes and now her guilt, but it hers to

process. The baby has the knowing and experience of the mother's

deepest wishes and concern for him and that in itself is huge. I

felt that in the story here, the knowing of the complication, and

the love and prepartion for the son's birth, even though cesarean.

 

Thanks for sharing it, Dr. Bhate. Here's a link to an article about

how to have a conscious cesarean. When and if doctors would at least

do this, it would make such a huge difference.

 

http://www.eheart.com/cesarean/oliver.html

 

and, here's a great article on the first hour of life:

 

Womb to World: A Metabolic Perspective

by Suzanne Colson

© 2002 Midwifery Today, Inc. All rights reserved.

 

[Editor's note: This article first appeared in Midwifery Today Issue

61, Spring 2002.]

 

Postnatal transition from fetus to neonate is characterised by

discontinuity. Inevitably the neonate must change environment from

the dark, warm, wet, sheltered place in the womb to the colder, dry,

bright, loud conditions of the world; the umbilical cord is severed.

Separation and rupture are the watchwords. Well-known changes

require thermal, cardiovascular, pulmonary, vestibular, immune and

metabolic adaptation.

 

Cardiopulmonary, immune and thermal adaptations are well documented

in the medical and midwifery textbooks. Successful metabolic

adaptation is just as critical to infant well-being. Yet, most

midwifery and many pediatric texts fail to describe the normal

physiology of metabolic transition from fetus to neonate. Instead,

metabolic adaptation is discussed in chapters devoted to

hypoglycemia or in relation to disorders of blood glucose

homeostasis.

 

COntinue at http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/womb.asp

 

Thanks, Dr. Bhate....... wwoo0000hHHHHoooo

 

 

Janel

 

ayurveda , " Shirish Bhate "

<shirishbhate wrote:

>

> Dear Moms

> Janel has been shouting through the roof here how babies need to

be

> looked after prenatal and an hur after birth. An interesting live

story

> as told by a doctor father is here:

>

> http://health./message/3179

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe you'll enjoy this, related to the first minutes. the cord

cutting.

 

http://health.SafeBabyResolution/message/36

 

janel

 

ayurveda , " Shirish Bhate "

<shirishbhate wrote:

>

> Dear Moms

> Janel has been shouting through the roof here how babies need to be

> looked after prenatal and an hur after birth. An interesting live

story

> as told by a doctor father is here:

>

> http://health./message/3179

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Bhate: another related post about Krishna's first breath at birth

 

acircleofsupport/message/1267

 

 

ayurveda , " Shirish Bhate "

<shirishbhate wrote:

>

> Dear Moms

> Janel has been shouting through the roof here how babies need to be

> looked after prenatal and an hur after birth. An interesting live

story

> as told by a doctor father is here:

>

> http://health./message/3179

>

[Guest guest]

Such an intresting and sometimes intriguing subject, that temptation

to record some of the personal experiences cant be avoided. after all

these groups are for exchanging collective human knowledge gained

through self experience and meditation.

 

Janel>

There is also some information/research on the benefits of co-

sleeping (not in this country) for preventing SIDS -- for many

reasons, but a big one is because the baby's CNS and heart (and

other systems) is still being regulated by the mother's CNS and

heart for months, if not years and decades. Sleep study labs showed

mothers who co-sleep tended to their baby's smallest all night

during their sleep. My paraphrasing is that baby's heart is not yet

able to be fully self-regulating. (I say, duh!) and when it goes out

of sync the mother's heart regulates the baby's. That connection is

not so good when baby is in another room.>

 

Dr Bhate> First authors own experience. In India there is a customary

crib by the bedside of the mom, made from a cloth hammock. MY son

used to get up 3-4 times every night and would sleep only after

feeding a little. Wife was afraid he might get crushed if she changes

sides in the sleep. However, cosleeping reduced this event to only

twice a night. and after few days it was found that son would move in

the bed, often go to even foot board side with head towards

footboard, but everytime he was discovered to have at least one leg

in touch with mothers body! somehow he never wanted to separate that

touch! That was the first instance when author thought that all of us

would like to cling to mothers body, for a life time if possible,

after all every original brain cell of ours is made by her tissues,

so we are only her extended body!

 

Janel>

It's makes a lot of logical sense that the newborn baby still needs

close proximity to the mother and her heart -- and it did when I had

my first child at age 18 and co-slept and carried him in a back pack

(when it was very uncool- 1975). Many cultures carry the baby/wear

the baby -- we all know how babies love that. Why wouldn't they? So,

this is all very related to the cord clamping.>

 

DrBhate> This practice is existing in India even today, but only in

villages and tribal areas. Women who go into forest or farms to work

or collect firewood, forest treasure such as berries etc keep the

baby in back pack. And you would be suprised to know that tribals do

not have diabetes or insulin resistance or obesity or PCOS. City

folks are loosing fertility but the tribals have preserved it. So

that is the ultimate race going to rule the human existence!

 

Janel> Cord clamping and early cutting is a huge concern for me, and

I am

observing some interesting spiritual connections. In the Aramaic

language that Jesus spoke the word for breath is translated to the

words, Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit, the Breathe of God, is our

connection to God. I am wondering about the spiritual consquences

for this rushed, harsh transition and ritualistic early cutting --

if our connection to God is experienced through the breath. And, it

does seem so -- six minutes without it and we are gone.>

 

Dr.Bhate> All different Yogas (e.g. Rajyoga, Kriya yoga, Sahaj Yoga,

Patanjali yoga, Sudarshan yoga, Surya yoga) which spiritual gurus are

teaching in India, and those Gurus in Tibet are based on science of

breathing only. Through breath we can reach the home page of our

soul! the superficial cloud of thoughts can be cleared by regulating

breath. Thoughtless state is also breathless state. sould does not

need oxygen or thoughts, but can communicate through impulses.

 

 

Janel> Interestingly, it is also six minutes I have read that the cord

pulses at birth. At the end of the day, our Breath, is the most

important thing and really all one has here.

 

At birth a baby is not only separated from the mother

physiologically and emotionally, but is done so in such brutal,

harsh, hurried fashion. The cord pulses for at least five to 6

minutes and the purpose is to transition the baby from being a water

breathing being to being an air breathing being. There is no exact

time for anything in birth. Physiologically, the cord knows what to

do just like the woman's uterus knows what to do -- both without our

thinking brains. A homebirth physician I worked with told me she saw

a cord pulse for over one half hour.>

 

DrBhate> Having spent much time in trekking in tribal areas, spending

time in tribal huts etc, this is what author came to know through

tribals. For them nearest douctor can be reached by walking sometimes

20-30 kilometers. The women deliver someimes when they are in field

or forests. Only an hour before she may know that time is due. All

that they need to do is find a stream close by, rest there for a

while and they have nothing to clamp the cord except some natural

creeper stem. and they keep watching the pulsating cord. and

breathing starts automatically as the blood flow through the cord

stops. there is a plenty of time to cut the cord. Nor there is any

hurry to clean the baby. Tribal baby is the one who reaches mothers

boosom perhaps earliest after birth in the world!>

 

 

 

Janel>

The placental blood - rich with oxygen -- is meant to be pumped into

the body. When the cord is cut immediately, babies struggle, they

panic, they gasp, and cry to get in oxygen when what they need is

their own placental blood. This contributes to the belief/need to do

the harsh, panicked resuscitation. When the cord is left to complete

the transfer, babies don't need to cry. LeBoyer noted that women are

so conditioned to the crying baby as a signal that women had trouble

believing the baby was ok if s/he wasn't crying. People are happy

when the baby comes out crying and screaming, not knowing that the

baby is crying for a reason.>

 

DrBhate> What you wrote and LeBoyer noted is all city culture,

groomed by intellegentia to their own advantage! This culture is in

sharp contrast to tribal culture, where abundance and generosity of

nature does not make them know what is crying!

 

 

Janel> There is much about the possible connection of cesarean birth

to asthma. Cords are cut immediately at cesarean so that the baby can

be examined away from the mother. No wonder so many people have

trouble with transitions! I also wonder about the baby's connection

to the placenta -- from the baby's view in the womb, this is source

of life throughout the pregnancy. It is rather large -- large enough

to be very visable and important to the babies. Technology can now

show just how engaged babies are in the womb with their cord, with a

twin, with environmental stimulus. Research -- not in the US --

showed that when the uterus was touched, in another room, the baby

would respond. Consider the way the placenta is handled in hospital

birth by medical caregivers -- examined inside and out, cut for

sample, and then disposed. I wonder about how that is experienced by

the baby. As a loss? Maybe that " other " that we humans search for

throughout life.>

 

Dr Bhate> Above metaphysics may take some time to prove by science,

but author belives it may be true. Our complete behaviour as we

become adults is goverened by our first two years of life. One great

piece of research by psychologists states that those who get less

breast milk tend to smoke nicotine later. perhaps the cigarette end

tries to sooth the deprived satisfaction of holding the nipple at

feed time. and smokers who stop, their two fingers automatically

reach the area close to lips when ther are in stress. Perhaps this

body language gives them some relief that cigarette is there in the

lips. This shows that prenatal and experiences as baby are

influencing the mental states in whole life! Another observation

which author noted by asking several asthma/diabetes patients, 99%

had not more than 5-6 months of breast milk. Now they would have

switched to cow milk thereafter, explaining the source of

autoimmunity! author believes cow milk in raw form is not detrimental

to health, but should not be started before two years, when digestive

system of baby is competent to handle it. Upto two years, the brain

is nourished by breast milk fats. author was surprised to see skiny

tribal women but comfortably feeding upto 2 years. their breasts did

not show much fat either!>

 

 

Janel>It seems to me that a science-based consistent policy of

allowing

the cord to stop pulsing (along with some other changes in the first

hour of life)could make monumental changes in many areas of the

human being's life.<

 

DrBhate>As stated by this author in earlier paragraph, It is not only

cord clamping or foreceps delivery or c-section, but entire time from

conception to say two years age where baby is still willing to take

breast milk, is important to decide what this individual will be in

his entire life time. Everyone will agree that mothers influence is

greatest in making the character, and every criminal, muderer,

rapist, addict had a disturbed childhood. It remains to be proven and

it will be indeed a great area for research if disturbed, intervened

pregnancy also leads to lack of mental strength, lack of resilience

to mental tensions of practical life>

 

Thanks for bringing out an important area of human existence, where

mothers importance starts right from conception. Author recollects a

82 years aged patient taking only a mild laxative. Other than old age

she had no other disease. Her son aged 60 passed away by stroke. when

author met her, she was unwilling to loosen the grip over author's

hand and was asking why I could not give stroke preventing medicine

to him. She passed away in just six months thereafter, unable to fill

the vaccum of son's presence. Scientists have divided body into mind,

organs etc, where mind alone subjected to happiness and grief, but it

appears from recent research, soul is spread throughout the body,

every cell shares both happiness and grief.

 

Needless to say, a vaidya or doula, should use all the visual signs

and message through touch for diagnosis of body, mind and soul triad!

 

Ysha: Bless you both for sharing such a beautiful discussion!

[Guest guest]

Dr. Bhate, and everyone:

 

ayurveda , " Shirish Bhate "

<shirishbhate wrote:

<<Such an intresting and sometimes intriguing subject, that

temptation to record some of the personal experiences cant be

avoided. after all these groups are for exchanging collective human

knowledge gained through self experience and meditation.>>

 

Thanks for sharing and thank you for the reply here. So much rich

information. I think the personal stories are many times the most

powerful ones.

 

I watch a blog, www.homebirthdebate.blogspot.com and the link below

is to a woman's homebirth in water and the baby didn't cry for three

days. Note the grandmother's reaction after the soul/baby has

arrived. I know that we ARE the essence of Spirit when we come into

a family system of beliefs. I LOVE this grandma's welcome. On some

level she is totally acknowledging the sacredness of birth and the

other soul's divinity.

 

http://www.wahmdigitalscrapbooks.com/birth1700k.html

 

Both myself and this wonderful mother are a just a few who are

banned and our posts -- including her link -- are removed by the

blogger (an obstetrician) who wishes only to hold to and promote the

two beliefs that 1) " birth is inherently dangerous " and the " most

dangerous day of childhood " and 2) so hospital birth is " superior "

to natural birth based on her review of homebirth literature and

belief that there are more neonatal deaths at homebirths. She

refuses to discuss the individual interventions and research or the

lack of research showing their safety or safety of drugs. Her

opinion is that science shows that hospital birth is superior and

that baby and woman are not affected by interventions. Is not a

debate but quite an attack on every person who brings other info to

the table -- before they are banned. It has helped me flush out some

nice writing though. The birth on the above link does not fit in

with her narrow model of what is safe --- but you all will really

appreciate it. I hope you'll be able to use it yourself to show

other women an alternative.

 

I am grateful to be on this list of like-minded, rational, spiritual

foks. Thanks.

 

Janel

 

 

ayurveda , " Shirish Bhate "

<shirishbhate wrote:

>

Such an intresting and sometimes intriguing subject, that temptation

to record some of the personal experiences cant be avoided. after

all these groups are for exchanging collective human knowledge

gained through self experience and meditation.