Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Great! Vicky, How much time to you have to carry the topic in the meeting? When is your meeting? What kind of body symptoms are you all seeing in newborns, being called allergies? - is it mostly around formula, or more around signs of phlegm, rashes, or? AS I emailed privately, I'm stalling a bit if possible to invite other practitioners to participate too - y'all hear? Ysha > Ysha, In the lactation study group I attend every month we discuss a topic. Last time it was newborns and allergies. For the next meeting we have each been assigned to discuss some aspect of allergies in regards to newborns. I mentioned that ayurvedic health practitioners take a different approach than allopathic practitioners, so I was immediately assigned that topic to discuss. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 re; baby allergies, I get to talk for about 5 or 10 minutes. the babies get rashes and blood in the stool, usually a sign of dairy allergies. The meeting is Monday the 21st. I sent your request about the workshop out to the portland and eugene birth . Let's see... Vicky - Martha Oakes ayurveda Friday, August 18, 2006 5:54 PM PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: newborns and allergies Great! Vicky, How much time to you have to carry the topic in the meeting? When is your meeting? What kind of body symptoms are you all seeing in newborns, being called allergies? - is it mostly around formula, or more around signs of phlegm, rashes, or? AS I emailed privately, I'm stalling a bit if possible to invite other practitioners to participate too - y'all hear? Ysha > Ysha, In the lactation study group I attend every month we discuss a topic. Last time it was newborns and allergies. For the next meeting we have each been assigned to discuss some aspect of allergies in regards to newborns. I mentioned that ayurvedic health practitioners take a different approach than allopathic practitioners, so I was immediately assigned that topic to discuss. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 Vicky - How old are they when these signs show up? We don't see this, even feeding the mothers milk and thinned yoghurt, or fresh cheeses (not fermented ones). The babies are being fed dairy, or the mothers? thanks - Ysha > re; baby allergies, I get to talk for about 5 or 10 minutes. the babies get rashes and blood in the stool, usually a sign of dairy allergies. The meeting is Monday the 21st. > I sent your request about the workshop out to the portland and eugene birth . Let's see... > Vicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 the babies usually start showing signs like this after a few weeks. So their breastfeeding mothers go off of all dairy products and the symptoms get better...sometimes takes 2 weeks to get it all out of the moms body. Not all babies are this sensitive to dairy. But the ones who get these allergies seem to respond to getting the mom off of dairy, at least that's the only tools the doc.s seem to have. Vicky - Martha Oakes ayurveda Friday, August 18, 2006 8:53 PM PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: newborns and allergies Vicky - How old are they when these signs show up? We don't see this, even feeding the mothers milk and thinned yoghurt, or fresh cheeses (not fermented ones). The babies are being fed dairy, or the mothers? thanks - Ysha > re; baby allergies, I get to talk for about 5 or 10 minutes. the babies get rashes and blood in the stool, usually a sign of dairy allergies. The meeting is Monday the 21st. > I sent your request about the workshop out to the portland and eugene birth . Let's see... > Vicky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 I only have a minute. Uhaul is loaded, shower awaits, and then on the road!! No internet until when? So, I must give my two cents now. This is MY theory that I am observinh --- and researching for my book. The baby's biological impulse is to crawl to the mother's breast about 20+ minutes after birth and laid on chest. There is a theory that the baby follows the scent of his/her fluid to crawl (YES, babies have sense already, amaaaaazin', ain't it?) In our society the baby is 99% of the time SCRUBBED of all fluids --- which includes mother's fecal, urine, possibly blood -- and the baby's amniotic fluid (placenta, umbilicus, fluid, membranes are the baby's not the mother -- so interventions with these affect a baby). Anyway .... the mother has built immunity for herself AND her newborn via interaction with HER environment - HOME, etc. The HOSPITAL is the germiest place on the planet -- everyone else's fecal, blood, urine. A baby doesn't need a " sterile " environment -- baby need her mother's germ enviornment. I believe that a baby needs the fluids to maintain their immunity. I belive that the hospital " sterile " enivornment (how many of these babies are c- section?) and the germs (for which the mother has NOT built an immunity) are an all-out ASSAULT on the baby's system. The toxic soup we live in right now is worse than when my older children (23- 31)were born, and far worse than when I was a kid. We have gotten rid of many, but added many, many more. It's cumulative in the body cells. We need to stop cleaning babies off immediately -- let them be in their own immune environment -- and then don't even let me get started on the PSYCH-OEMOTIONAL effects on the baby. Janel www.InfantParentHealing.com www.BabyKeeper.blogspot.com ayurveda , " Martha Oakes " <AyurDoulas wrote: > > Great! > Vicky, How much time to you have to carry the topic in the meeting? > When is your meeting? > What kind of body symptoms are you all seeing in newborns, being > called allergies? - is it mostly around formula, or more around signs > of phlegm, rashes, or? > > AS I emailed privately, I'm stalling a bit if possible to invite other > practitioners to participate too - y'all hear? > Ysha > > > Ysha, In the lactation study group I attend every month we discuss a > topic. Last time it was newborns and allergies. For the next meeting > we have each been assigned to discuss some aspect of allergies in > regards to newborns. I mentioned that ayurvedic health practitioners > take a different approach than allopathic practitioners, so I was > immediately assigned that topic to discuss. .. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2006 Report Share Posted August 20, 2006 Dear Janel - and Vicky; I want to speak mostly in terms of how to understand why I do not see this problem in my clients. We do not have research on these things with Ayurvedic approach, in this country anyway, inspite of thousands of years of experience in Ayurveda's homelands. This birth fluids/immune strengh discussion, from my Ayurvedic understanding it will certainly increase vata (metabolic principle governing movement, change, nervous system, movement of food thru the digestive tract, elimination, speech, childbirth and other things) from several key influences (excess movement and change, undue dryness, lack of simplicity, bright lights, other such things increase the sub-atomic qualities Ayurveda calls " air and space " (which are cold, dry, light, quick, subtle, changeable, empty, etc) in newborn and maternal physical and emotional experience. High vata can manifest, among other possible ways, in lowered immune strength. Allergies, however, are according to Ayurveda (more advanced practitioners, please correct me if I'm wrong here) not directly an immune system issue, rather signs of accumulated weakened agni (digestive fires or the body's many enzyme processes at variouis levels of processing of foodstuff), and the resultant ama (accumulated incomplete products of digestion). This ama manifests in many forms and places in the body, but suffice it to say, it is foreign matter which the body is not designed to normally process, particularly when the " fires " that burn it up, so to speak (metabolize by breaking it down), are already weakened. It is however great mucky food for the disease organisms to feed off of, which is why a side effect of this ama is increased microbial illnesses. AMa also clogs and congests body channels, of which there are many types and sizes. Which channels or weaknesses present in an individual depend upon that individual's constitutional strengths and weaknesses, as well as environmental influences, emotions and lifestyle, basically. So we can support the body to process these wastes, by 1) removing the source - (see more below) which as indicated by Vicky, tends to take some days or weeks to reverse the influence, or 2) giving influences that increase the agnis. 3) A third element is to improve the way in which the aggravating substance is taken, which is very important here. 1) About removing the source - in this case with babies' problems when their mothers drink milk or eat other forms of dairy. It may work, but two reasons to find other solutions are the benefits of dairy, properly used, and the lack of correcting the real problem, which is ignorance of how body works and what foods should be taken how and when. Dairy is very vata pacifying (calming, soothing, giving contentment, rich in serotonin, and rejuvenative/building nourishment, PROPERLY USED. Sweet dairy is also very pitta pacifying (cooling and rejuvenative/building, among other qualities). As 80% of the US population is considered " pitta dominant " by constitution(similar to the type A person), and all postpartum women are vata dominant by condition, we find this is a significant tool. Other things will be proposed in substitution, and it certainly can be and is done. But that is another long conversation, comparing which is best and why. 2) Postpartum digestive fires are very weak, remember me say this? Baby's are too, you have probably heard it said their digestive system is immature for the first 6 months as it the immune system. Montague's book, Touching, has a fascinating discussion proposing human gestation should be much longer but the babies would fit coming thru, so we give birth before they are ready. True or not, interesting read. 3) The reason so many mother's and babies in Ayurveda's experience have this problem is not genetic, in my opinion. (A simple research could be devised here). Even though there are genetic strains across the world who are much less prepared to digest dairy. It is a much bigger problem with how we use foods, which takes us to the third element above, improving our dietary habits, not just about diary use. Removing dairy in my experience removes some excellent balancing influence. It becomes more important to use other " vata pacifying or balancing " (soothing, nourishing, calming, rebuilding, and elimination support) influences for postpartum balance, which are little known habits in our culture (which tends to dry foods, quick and leftover foods, cold temp food and drink, heavy meats and sweets and cheeses, poor food combinig, stimulants to get the job done, constipating and digestively compromising influences, insufficient rest, too much raw, insufficient good fats, ant the list goes on, you have heard it before?). The result is not just other digestive system problems. The side effects of unhappy " vata " metabolic needs can lower overall immune strength, enthusiasm, vitality and joy for life, along with the other things listed above. Which means the tendency for infant colic and maternal mood disorders is very much part of the bigger picture I can't take the time to spell out here. So, 3) To improve how we handle this what Ayurveda touts as a good food, we have to know what we are doing wrong. It sounds like we are talking about all breastfed babies, or also dairy -formula bottle fed babies. I know there is some science around this probably Joseph Mercola, ND can shed a little more light as far as modern ways of talking about milk chemistry, but it is very brief compared to ayurveda's concerns. let me ask you first to read the long article at http://www.sacredwindow.com/Articles-Milk.html. Explanations given a bit there to my summary here of the issues around incorrect use of milk alone. Ayurveda has much to say about problems with use of diary, such as, like the Jewish Kosher guidelines, do not take diary with meat, fish, or eggs (that's right, even with our French toast tradition, best find a non-dairy milk like coconut or rice). Also advised to avoid taking milk or yoghurt with banana regularly, that it is carcinogenic. Avoid taking diary cold temperature (vs room or warm temp). Strongly also advised to avoid taking milk with salty, sour or astringent tastes (that means, with most meals, and the way most people take it). And of course, avoid especially homogenized (squeeses protein and fat molecules together to make it look pretty, but makes for difficult digestoin), feed lot, inorganicly fed, Bovine Growth Hormone and antibiotic rich liquid being sold under the name " milk " . Oh, also avoid taking milk with yoghurt (I as a result question the use of acidophilis laced milk). Now, how many of the women reporting their babies have " milk allergies " are observing these caveats? I would start asking these questions first. If I left anything out, see the article, but this is more than enough possible problem causers. Re other dairy - not just the temperature issue. Fermented cheeses, sour cream, and yoghurt are heavy for moms after childbirth and to be avoided by anyone for this reason in evening meals, says ayurveda, tending to create symptoms of some kind of bodily congestion. These sour cheeses taken can be problematic alone and increasing pitta (because of the sour taste), but poorly combined say with fruits, and even more, other proteins are likely to be considerable troublemakers. I've seen this, without the blood in the stool symptom it comes up quickly giving problems to mom and baby. So, fermented cheeses, sour cream and yoghurt type foods are recommended to straight out avoid for the first 6 - 8 weeks postpartum, excepting for " lassi " - water thinned and spiced maybe sweetened yoghurt/kefir drinks which go well with vegetarian mung bean soups. Yet these are common postpartum dairy sources. Doubly problematic with conventional food combining. On top of the diary concerns, because bleeding tends to be a minifestation of some pitta imbalance, we would have to look to the high pitta in our population in general, the lack of understanding how important keeping our lives simple after birth is giving rise to many heated emotions and their influence on the body...as well as I would be asking these clients about specific dietary habits after childbirth. It is quite possible these moms are as a group tending to more red meat (making mother's milk heavy to digest) and tomatoes, wine, other sour things as well as the natural tendency to eat more spicy things to instinctively increase digestive fire and body warmth/vitality after birth. But good quality hot milk tonic is very rarely any problem for our clients (possible gassiness for baby, usually corrected with addition of some turmeric powder, about 1/4 tsp per cup for Mom. Enjoying (http://www.sacredwindow.com/Recipes-Milk-Tonic.html) as a snack, maybe with nuts or cookies or unsalted cooked cereal should be a regular event postpartum! By the way, the thing about milk making milk... more about properly used milk pacifying the body's extremes, the nervous system, organs and functional dissarray after birth, the very sensitive senses and emotions, the need for extra nourishment that is - yes - EASY to digest. So we have to take extra care, it is well worth it, with maternal digestive fires, for Mom's sake as well as Baby's. It is the best time of any to observe the food combining, quality, temperature, freshness (ie, cooked within 6 hours, not leftover or raw), things like this. I've focused on the real no-nos, and not much on curative (not supposed to use that word anyway) or corrective measures. Some are contained within the discussion by obvious. The art of ayurvedic practice includes very much the assessment of the individual's constitution, imbalances, dietary details and lifestyle as well as the nature of in this case, the postpartum special conditions. There are tips which can be discussed further, but oh my, for another time. And I ask you to read the file (to your left, click files, about cooking for postpartum mothers tips, especially take a good look at not only the recommended foods to favor and avoid, but the seasonings. They are not just about making food taste good!). We would not only change which dairy and how/when it is taken, but augment with how it is prepared, seasoned. Around other dietary needs, use fresh ginger/lime/salt before meals perhaps, or more pitta/vata pacifying dietary choices, more turmeric, things like that for starters. I hope this gives you some good material to work with on your talk tomorrow, Vicky. Let us know what questions get fired at you, and how you handled them, ok? I'd love to see how you organize this talk, this was just pretty much stream of consciousness and occasional cut/paste for flow. Janel, where are you moving to? Still in Columbia, MO I hope? Anyone want to help me turn this into an article/place it, go at it and send me your what it needs input, ok? Love, Ysha Postpartum AyurDoula 14 Years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Before we go to the subject, a little introduction. This author is an ayurvedic practitioner in Mumbai, India. Obtained ayurveda knowledge in guru-disciple tradition. Majority of patients are moms, expecting moms, children and elderlies. Liking discussing ayurveda, home remedies, mind-body connection, etc writing often on . Aged 57 and enjoying 24 carat-gold health. How this health is attained, the secret is explained in 24 articles about 5-6 pages each, at ayurveda group under " Iron rules of health " subject. Other secret is this: Born as 11th delivery of mother, 2 earlier siblings having died at age less than 6 months. Mother had made special prayer to family deity so that if this child survives, she will try to make the child paediatrician. So blessed with seven sisters (6 elders, 1 younger) and three elder brothers, you can imagine how author enjoyed love and affection since childhood. And Mother was so powerful, ruled the house with Iron hand and love filled heart. Whatever this author is, credit goes to her. After two and half years of rich breast milk, author had second mother, an Indian holy cow, organic raw milk daily half litre upto age 11 years. This milk never causes any allergies or insulin resistance. Author is working for last few years in the area of Panch Gavya medicines, a developing branch of Ayurveda, to repay this debt. Author has discussed the subject of children allergies in a number of articles. Childhood allergies are on the rise around the world, including in many developing countries where asthma, eczema and hay fever are emerging as important public health problems: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L24535162.htm A banned pollutant may be damaging children's immune systems before they can properly develop: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9860-pollutant-damages-child- immunity.html Same pollutant is known to cause precocious puberty to girls. And if you wish to know how vaccines administered to mother and baby introduce allergies, extensive information is available on group " alt_health_India " . Regarding cough, cold, breathing troubles, eczema etc, how they arise and slowly become permanent friends by iatrogensis, is explained at: http://health.ayurveda/message/7044 Here we get few remedies too, which should be kept handy in home by mothers. Eczema, excess perspiration, bad odor can be helped by ayurvedic bathing as explained at: http://health.ayurveda/message/6924? threaded=1 & l=1 And there is sun bath too; sensitive individuals tending towards food allergies and chemical sensitivities, should expose themselves to full sunlight only for very short periods and preferably in semi- shade, such as under a tree as explained in: http://health.ayurveda/message/6890? threaded=1 & l=1 In allergic skin diseases such as Psoriasis or eczema, ginger is both soothing and preventive. Cough, cold, asthma to ovarian cancer, this spice is very useful as explained in: http://health.ayurveda/message/6683? threaded=1 & l=1 Children suffering from milk allergies, asthma, eczema, jaundice often develop hormone imbalances later in the youth days. See for instance: http://health.ayurveda/message/6531? threaded=1 & l=1 Let us now consider allergies of the newborn. They are donated by mother. When liver function is inadequate, toxins are re-circulated and eventually stored in fatty tissues, including the cells of the brain and central nervous system. The slow release of these toxins into the bloodstream is a major factor in the development of chronic disease such as allergies to various foods, sensitivities to certain chemical skin problems, itching, eczema, psoriasis, nausea, headaches as explained in depth at: http://health.ayurveda/message/6173? threaded=1 & l=1 Let us consider medical astrology, sister branch of ayurveda. The blood match of the parents who gave birth to the child is important. Indian sage devised a method of matching the blood based on birth moon. Those who know medical astrology, they know why moon governs blood. Lunar cycles govern the menstrual blood flow. Now based on natal moon of parents, they can have compatibility or incompatibility for progency. The major blood group is termed " nadi " and can be of three types: " aadya " , " Madhya " , " antya " corresponding to Pitta, Vata, Kapha, three doshas of ayurveda. Parents having identical nadi should not marry. If they marry, " Aadya " nadi troubles wife, causing C- section, episiotomy etc, " Madhya " nadi causes father to suffer (Loss of libido, impotence, seminal problems etc), while " antya " nadi makes both of them suffer. Mixing of bodily fluids during sex makes changes to the blood, causing loss of iimune system strength and frequent cough, cold , fevers to both. The children will be suffering from irritability, ADD, OCD etc in first case, Reduced fertility in second case, and Autism, allergies in third case. To understand this paragraph better, read this in depth at: http://health.ayurveda/message/1656 [This is a rare message, when author used to write in first person.] Despite this, there exist some rules which if applicable soften this incompatibility. Author has seen the rules made by acharyas thousands of year ago, are still working. The children having blood in their stools are not encountered yet by this author, though children evacuating bowels only once or twice a week were treated successfully. Author attributes these kind of Vatic problems to inappropriate nutrition during pregnancy. Mineral inadequacy, glycosugar inadequacy, inappropriate EFAs so that nervous system of the mother was not working well. Mineral deficiency (Calcium, Magnesium, niacin, B12, iron etc) causes constipation to newborns too and strech of rectum during passing motions may give rise to blood in stools. IF that happens, cotton wicks of castor oils are used in india. Castor oil massage on pelvis are, asfoetida in belly button are also possible. Most of Indian moms use Janma Ghuti, where there are 21 different herbs and dried fruits, proportions varied according to situation. Indian solutions are difficult to practice abroad due to less easy access to herbs of indian origin. Regards Dr Bhate ayurveda , " Martha Oakes " <AyurDoulas wrote: > > The topic of blood in infant stool and its association from maternal > dairy ingestion is a serious one and we should look more deeply. > > Perhaps one of the vaidyas lurking will grace us with their thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 Hi ladies- Am reading Dr. Jack Newman's " The Ultimate Breastfeeding Book of Answers " for my DONA certification. He listed a strange condition he calls " Rusty Pipe Syndrome " of painless bleeding from Mom's nipples, usually during first 2 weeks of nursing, that mom may not be aware of, but there is BLOOD in baby's stools, which sets off the alarm for parents and pediatricians. Mom can check by expressing, but best to keep breastfeeding since it usually self-resolves in 7-14 days (then he suggests visiting a breastfeeding friendly, experienced breast surgeon-are there any out there?-seems like a paradox). There is no known cause, but the presumption is that it is related to increased blood flow. My personal feeling is that there may be engorgement and a predisposition to weak capillaries? I'm curious on the continued discussion since allergic response is something that " runs in the family " and supports why I do well on Ayurveda. Hugs- Charlotte Del Toro Birth doula, LMT, CIMI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2006 Report Share Posted August 28, 2006 I'm out of town, not much time to write and on a strange keyboard, but let me say this. rusy pipe syndrom, which probably is from capillaries breaking from the engorgement, more blood volume, etc. has nothing to do with blood in babies stool. When a baby or anyone ingests blood it doesn't come out in his diaper looking like blood. It looks more like black stool, or coffee grounds. I have seen bblood in baby's stool, and it looks like fresh blood, sometimes a mucousy too. When a baby gets formula, for instance, the intestines react to the cow's protein with an allergic response that is bleeding from inflamed capillaries. So much that they have to add iron to the formula to make up for the baby's blood loss. So when the baby reacts to dairy in the moms diet (this is the allopathic explanation, mind you, this internal inflammation causes broken capillaries in the intestines and out comes some blood. One mom went off of all dairy except a little cheese. still blood in baby's stool. when she went off cheese, the bleeding went away. We are the only species that drinks the milk of another species, so it stands to reason that we would react. But the way ayurvedics prepare the diary probably makes the difference. Ysha, I wasn't able to attend that meeting of lact. consultants, so I emailed the ayurvedic information sheets and I haven't received any answer as to what they thought, yet. Peds know very little, it seems, and we get what the peds tell us. My friend recently said she cleared up her baby's eczema by going off of ascorbic acid and taking vinegar in water every day to alkanize her system. I know there is so much to learn. I hope someone has time to get all this into an article or outline or something. Vicky >Charlotte Del Toro <csternkind >Aug 28, 2006 9:39 AM >ayurveda >PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: newborns and allergies > >Hi ladies- > >Am reading Dr. Jack Newman's " The Ultimate Breastfeeding Book of Answers " for my DONA >certification. He listed a strange condition he calls " Rusty Pipe Syndrome " of painless bleeding >from Mom's nipples, usually during first 2 weeks of nursing, that mom may not be aware of, but >there is BLOOD in baby's stools, which sets off the alarm for parents and pediatricians. Mom can >check by expressing, but best to keep breastfeeding since it usually self-resolves in 7-14 days >(then he suggests visiting a breastfeeding friendly, experienced breast surgeon-are there any out >there?-seems like a paradox). There is no known cause, but the presumption is that it is related >to increased blood flow. My personal feeling is that there may be engorgement and a predisposition >to weak capillaries? I'm curious on the continued discussion since allergic response is something >that " runs in the family " and supports why I do well on Ayurveda. > >Hugs- >Charlotte Del Toro >Birth doula, LMT, CIMI > > > > > ______ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Dear Dr. Bhate; We are truly blessed to have us join us. Perhaps I may be so fortunate as to study with you someday in person. Is there the possibility of maternal food combining, particular use of red meats with heavier dairy proteins and fruits perhaps contributing? I know that the weak digestion of early postpartum mothers must be somehow involved. The other question this whole issue brings up for me is estrogenic influences, although as I understood it may create temporary vaginal spotting of blood. I do not understand the physiology well enough to go further with intelligent questions. Yet I know the western natural childbirthing and foods community will want to explore this question. Hopefully the constipative influences, also such a big factor in early postpartum particularly with conventional postpartum nourishment here, will be looked at first among those seeing the problem, and will share their results. Thank you again, and a very warm welcome! Ysha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 I agree Dr. Bhate, we are lucky to have you. and you, like Ysha, are so generous with your knowledge. I am out of town and have't had time to to the web sites you sent, b ut I can't wait. Vicky >Martha Oakes <AyurDoulas >Aug 31, 2006 12:28 PM >ayurveda >PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: newborns and allergies > >Dear Dr. Bhate; > >We are truly blessed to have us join us. Perhaps I may be so >fortunate as to study with you someday in person. > >Is there the possibility of maternal food combining, particular use of >red meats with heavier dairy proteins and fruits perhaps contributing? > I know that the weak digestion of early postpartum mothers must be >somehow involved. > >The other question this whole issue brings up for me is estrogenic >influences, although as I understood it may create temporary vaginal >spotting of blood. I do not understand the physiology well enough to >go further with intelligent questions. Yet I know the western natural >childbirthing and foods community will want to explore this question. > Hopefully the constipative influences, also such a big factor in >early postpartum particularly with conventional postpartum nourishment >here, will be looked at first among those seeing the problem, and will >share their results. > >Thank you again, and a very warm welcome! >Ysha > > > > ______ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 Dear Martha, Thanks for the warm welcome. Your question regarding incompatibilities in the post-partum maternal diet and hormonal influence deserves a separate post, in view of its importance. The artificiality, the trust in " medically clean " environment, and reductionist approach to every eccentricity of birth process itself is creating allergies to newborns. C-section depreives many babies of early colostrum about which author has already written on ayurveda: http://health.ayurveda/message/5161 Another factor which also deprives their opportunity to obtain immunity is desires of birthing staff to clean the baby early and handover such a medically cleaned baby to anxious parents or mother. This departure from nature has given rise to new research. The members of this list who are RNs or MWs please forgive if any of your practices are being criticised here. WE are all working for the benifit of future generation and if we need to change our old understanding, we should be flexible. In India, MDs of mainstream are visiting ayurvedists when themselves or a family member's health is involved. Author can list several western MDs who have switched to alternative filed after one of their family members was victim of modern medicine. Sorry for diversion, back to main issue. Earthworms have a simple membrane. Fish have scales. Birds, of course, have feathers, and mammals have fur. And humans? Well, humans are " naked apes. " Unlike all other primates, we are unique in having little body fur and a thick, stratified, interfollicular epidermis with a well-developed stratum corneum. Our skin has co-evolved with our large, versatile, and highly organized brains. Dr. Hoath and his colleagues at the Skin Sciences Institute, Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center, have been studying the composition and properties of vernix, the slippery white substance that coats the skin of newborn infants before birth, and its role in adaptation of the neonate to the extrauterine, or dry, environment. Their research suggests that rather than being a soil, vernix is a natural skin cleanser. It may also be an anti-infective, an anti- oxidant, a moisturizer, and a wound-healing agent. Perhaps instead of rubbing vernix off of the newborn infant's skin, we should be rubbing it in! How the vernix helps newborns to develop immunity to infections can be reasd in whole article at: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/519767?src=mp In case the article is difficult to access, read it in group file named " Newborn_ski.doc " stored in folder " articles " . Dr Bhate ayurveda , " Martha Oakes " <AyurDoulas wrote: > Is there the possibility of maternal food combining, particular use of > red meats with heavier dairy proteins and fruits perhaps contributing? > I know that the weak digestion of early postpartum mothers must be > somehow involved. > > The other question this whole issue brings up for me is estrogenic > influences, although as I understood it may create temporary vaginal > spotting of blood. I do not understand the physiology well enough to > go further with intelligent questions. Yet I know the western natural > childbirthing and foods community will want to explore this question. > Hopefully the constipative influences, also such a big factor in > early postpartum particularly with conventional postpartum nourishment > here, will be looked at first among those seeing the problem, and will > share their results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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