antidepressant Drug Chart for pregnancy/BF

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BuzerHel

BuzerHel

Monday, February 06, 2006 10:31 AM

Drug Chart

 

 

Hey, Ya'll

 

I've received quite a few responses from you that you cannot open the drug chart

document, so it is printed below. Hope this works for you. Sorry for the

inconvenience.

 

Have a great week!

 

Helena

 

 

Anti-depressants

 

Advantages During Pregnancy Disadvantages During Pregnancy Recommended

Dose* (mg/day) Percent of Dose to Breastfeeding Baby** Reported Side Effects to

Breastfeeding Infants

Teratogenicity

Bupropion (WellbutrinR; ZybanR)

· No sexual side effects

 

· No excess weight gain

 

· Helps with smoking cessation

· No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

 

· Lowers seizure threshold

 

· Can cause insomnia

 

· Higher rate of spontaneous abortions

· 200 – 300 mg

· Not known

· Seizures

Morphologic - none

 

Behavioral - unknown

 

Citalopram (CelexaR)

· Few interactions with other medications

· No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

 

· Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

· 20 – 40 mg

· 0.7% - 9.0%

· Uneasy sleep

Morphologic – none

 

Behavioral - unknown

 

Desipramine (NorpraminR)

· More studies in human pregnancy,

 

including neurodevelopmental

 

follow-up

· Maternal side effects additive to pregnancy effects (sedation,

constipation, tachycardia)

 

· Orthostatic hypotension, risking decreased placental perfusion

 

· Fetal and neonatal side effects: tachycardia, urinary retention

· 100 – 200 mg

· 1.0%

· None

None

 

Escitalopram

 

(LexaproR)

·Few interactions with other medications

· No systematic studies in human pregnancy

 

· Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

· 10 mg

· Not known

· Not known

Unknown

 

(probably similar to citalopram)

 

Fluoxetine (ProzacR)

· More studies in human pregnancy,

 

including neurodevelopmental follow-up & meta-analysis

 

· Expert Consensus Guidelines top choice during pregnancy (if not

planning to breastfeed)

· Possible increased risk of neonatal toxicity due to long half-life

(tachypnea, respiratory distress, tremors, agitation, motor automatisms)

· Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

 

 

· 20 – 60 mg · 1.2% - 12.0% · Vomiting, watery stools, excessive

crying, difficulty sleeping, tremor, somnolence, hypotonia, decreased weight

gain None

Mirtazapine (RemeronR)

· Helps restore appetite in women who are not gaining weight

 

·Less likely to exacerbate nausea and vomiting

· No systematic studies in human pregnancy

 

· Can cause excessive weight gain

 

· Tends to be sedating

· 15 – 45 mg

· Not known

· Not known

Unknown

 

Noryptiline

 

(PamelorR)

 

 

· More studies in human pregnancy, including neurodevelopmental follow

up

· Maternal side effects additive to pregnancy effects(sedation,

constipation, tachycardia)

 

· Orthostatic hypotension, risking decreased placental perfusion

 

· Fetal and neonatal side effects: tachycardia, urinary retention

· 50 – 150 mg

· Not known

· None

None

 

Paroxetine (PaxilR)

· None (but may be more effective than other antidepressants for some

individual patients)

· No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

 

· Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

 

· Possible increased risk of neonatal side effects (respiratory

distress, tremor, hypoglycemia, changes in sleep pattern and behavioral state,

convulsions, cardiac arrhythmias)

· 20 – 60 mg

· 0.1% - 4.3%

· None

Morphologic – Increased risk of cardio vascular malformations based on

retrospective review

 

Behavioral - unknown

 

Sertraline (ZoloftR)

· Expert Consensus Guidelines top choice during pregnancy (if planning

to breastfeed)

· No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

 

· Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

· 50 – 200 mg

· 0.4% - 1.7%

· None

Morphologic – none

 

Behavioral - unknown

 

Venlafaxine (EffexorR)

· Balanced antidepressant; may be effective when selective agents are

not

· No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

· 75 – 225 mg

· 5.2% - 7.4%

· None

Morphologic – none

 

Behavioral - unknown

 

 

* = Physicians may consider initiating treatment with these agents at half

of the lowest recommended therapeutic dose. Treatment decisions should be based

on patient characteristics and clinical judgement.

 

Dosages are from the Physician’s Desk Reference, 60th ed. Table based on

Wisner et al Postpartum Depression Article in N Eng J Med, Vol. 347, No. 3, July

18, 2002, pg. 196 & related articles (for other references, call Perinatal

 

Depression Project at # above). ** These are weight-adjusted estimates.

 

General notes: · About 70% of women with recurrent major depression

relapse during pregnancy if they discontinue antidepressant medication.

 

· Untreated major depression during pregnancy is associated with

increased risk of preterm birth, lower birth weight, pre-eclampsia and neonatal

irritability.

 

· All antidepressants, if abruptly discontinued during pregnancy or at

the time of birth, can lead to discontinuation signs in the fetus or neonate.

These signs can include irritability, excessive crying, difficulty sleeping,

difficulty feeding, increased tone, hyperreflexia, shivering, tachypnea, and

convulsions. Discontinuation side effects can be minimized by a partial dose

taper during the last month of pregnancy, if the patient is asymptomatic, with a

return to full dose after delivery to prevent postpartum recurrence.

 

· Pharmacokinetic changes during pregnancy can affect antidepressant

dosing. For SSRI (citalopram, escitalopram, fluoxetine, paroxetine, sertraline)

and tricyclic (desipramine, nortryptiline) antidepressants, many women need

increased doses towards the second half of pregnancy to maintain a therapeutic

effect.

 

 

 

Helena M. Bradford, Chm

The Ruth Rhoden Craven Foundation

for Postpartum Depression Awareness

1339 Outreach Lane

Mt. Pleasant, SC 29464

843 881-2047

Website: http://www.ppdsupport.org/

 

 

Sometimes God calms the storm;

other times He lets the storm rage and calms His child.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for passing this on, Ade. I've lots of " ayurvedic thoughts " in

response, and look forward to weaving them into an article at some

point soon. This will be some good data/detail to chew on. Anyone

else want to venture some discussion? I can't get to it yet.

 

Ysha

[Guest guest]

I have a friend that is pregnant and diagnosed as bypolar 2. She is on

medication now but I'm not sure which brand. She is planning to not breastfeed

because she thinks the drugs will be too strong for the baby. Do you know of any

reliable and natural alternatives? She breastfed with the last child and is

pinched to miss out on this. Thanks!

 

ayurveda , " Adrienne " <greenhands wrote:

>

>

>

> -

> BuzerHel

> BuzerHel

> Monday, February 06, 2006 10:31 AM

> Drug Chart

>

>

> Hey, Ya'll

>

> I've received quite a few responses from you that you cannot open the drug

chart document, so it is printed below. Hope this works for you. Sorry for the

inconvenience.

>

> Have a great week!

>

> Helena

>

>

> Anti-depressants

>

> Advantages During Pregnancy Disadvantages During Pregnancy Recommended

Dose* (mg/day) Percent of Dose to Breastfeeding Baby** Reported Side Effects to

Breastfeeding Infants

> Teratogenicity

> Bupropion (WellbutrinR; ZybanR)

> · No sexual side effects

>

> · No excess weight gain

>

> · Helps with smoking cessation

> · No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

>

> · Lowers seizure threshold

>

> · Can cause insomnia

>

> · Higher rate of spontaneous abortions

> · 200 †" 300 mg

> · Not known

> · Seizures

> Morphologic - none

>

> Behavioral - unknown

>

> Citalopram (CelexaR)

> · Few interactions with other medications

> · No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

>

> · Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

> · 20 †" 40 mg

> · 0.7% - 9.0%

> · Uneasy sleep

> Morphologic †" none

>

> Behavioral - unknown

>

> Desipramine (NorpraminR)

> · More studies in human pregnancy,

>

> including neurodevelopmental

>

> follow-up

> · Maternal side effects additive to pregnancy effects (sedation,

constipation, tachycardia)

>

> · Orthostatic hypotension, risking decreased placental perfusion

>

> · Fetal and neonatal side effects: tachycardia, urinary retention

> · 100 †" 200 mg

> · 1.0%

> · None

> None

>

> Escitalopram

>

> (LexaproR)

> ·Few interactions with other medications

> · No systematic studies in human pregnancy

>

> · Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

> · 10 mg

> · Not known

> · Not known

> Unknown

>

> (probably similar to citalopram)

>

> Fluoxetine (ProzacR)

> · More studies in human pregnancy,

>

> including neurodevelopmental follow-up & meta-analysis

>

> · Expert Consensus Guidelines top choice during pregnancy (if not

planning to breastfeed)

> · Possible increased risk of neonatal toxicity due to long half-life

(tachypnea, respiratory distress, tremors, agitation, motor automatisms)

> · Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

>

>

> · 20 †" 60 mg · 1.2% - 12.0% · Vomiting, watery stools,

excessive crying, difficulty sleeping, tremor, somnolence, hypotonia, decreased

weight gain None

> Mirtazapine (RemeronR)

> · Helps restore appetite in women who are not gaining weight

>

> ·Less likely to exacerbate nausea and vomiting

> · No systematic studies in human pregnancy

>

> · Can cause excessive weight gain

>

> · Tends to be sedating

> · 15 †" 45 mg

> · Not known

> · Not known

> Unknown

>

> Noryptiline

>

> (PamelorR)

>

>

> · More studies in human pregnancy, including neurodevelopmental follow

up

> · Maternal side effects additive to pregnancy effects(sedation,

constipation, tachycardia)

>

> · Orthostatic hypotension, risking decreased placental perfusion

>

> · Fetal and neonatal side effects: tachycardia, urinary retention

> · 50 †" 150 mg

> · Not known

> · None

> None

>

> Paroxetine (PaxilR)

> · None (but may be more effective than other antidepressants for some

individual patients)

> · No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

>

> · Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

>

> · Possible increased risk of neonatal side effects (respiratory

distress, tremor, hypoglycemia, changes in sleep pattern and behavioral state,

convulsions, cardiac arrhythmias)

> · 20 †" 60 mg

> · 0.1% - 4.3%

> · None

> Morphologic †" Increased risk of cardio vascular malformations based on

retrospective review

>

> Behavioral - unknown

>

> Sertraline (ZoloftR)

> · Expert Consensus Guidelines top choice during pregnancy (if planning

to breastfeed)

> · No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

>

> · Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

> · 50 †" 200 mg

> · 0.4% - 1.7%

> · None

> Morphologic †" none

>

> Behavioral - unknown

>

> Venlafaxine (EffexorR)

> · Balanced antidepressant; may be effective when selective agents are

not

> · No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

> · 75 †" 225 mg

> · 5.2% - 7.4%

> · None

> Morphologic †" none

>

> Behavioral - unknown

>

>

> * = Physicians may consider initiating treatment with these agents at

half of the lowest recommended therapeutic dose. Treatment decisions should be

based on patient characteristics and clinical judgement.

>

> Dosages are from the Physician’s Desk Reference, 60th ed. Table based

on Wisner et al Postpartum Depression Article in N Eng J Med, Vol. 347, No. 3,

July 18, 2002, pg. 196 & related articles (for other references, call Perinatal

>

> Depression Project at # above). ** These are weight-adjusted estimates.

>

> General notes: · About 70% of women with recurrent major depression

relapse during pregnancy if they discontinue antidepressant medication.

>

> · Untreated major depression during pregnancy is associated with

increased risk of preterm birth, lower birth weight, pre-eclampsia and neonatal

irritability.

>

> · All antidepressants, if abruptly discontinued during pregnancy or

at the time of birth, can lead to discontinuation signs in the fetus or neonate.

These signs can include irritability, excessive crying, difficulty sleeping,

difficulty feeding, increased tone, hyperreflexia, shivering, tachypnea, and

convulsions. Discontinuation side effects can be minimized by a partial dose

taper during the last month of pregnancy, if the patient is asymptomatic, with a

return to full dose after delivery to prevent postpartum recurrence.

>

> · Pharmacokinetic changes during pregnancy can affect antidepressant

dosing. For SSRI (citalopram, escitalopram, fluoxetine, paroxetine, sertraline)

and tricyclic (desipramine, nortryptiline) antidepressants, many women need

increased doses towards the second half of pregnancy to maintain a therapeutic

effect.

>

>

>

> Helena M. Bradford, Chm

> The Ruth Rhoden Craven Foundation

> for Postpartum Depression Awareness

> 1339 Outreach Lane

> Mt. Pleasant, SC 29464

> 843 881-2047

> Website: http://www.ppdsupport.org/

>

>

> Sometimes God calms the storm;

> other times He lets the storm rage and calms His child.

>

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Nitya -

 

Were you able to download the chart in the files? It is a word doc in this

folder,

 

http://health.ayurvedaRELATED%20GOOD%20ST\

UFF/

 

I honestly don't have experience with this though I honestly expect there are

options for her. We will have to see who else responds here. Shawna may have

good input on it also. Hmm, I've a book by Dr. Chouhan on " incurable diseases "

that includes discussion on BiPolar, it is several pages. I'll look it over at

lunchtime.

 

Maybe you can call? It would be a lot to transcribe. There are so many looking

for options to meds these days.

 

Best -

Ysha

 

> I have a friend that is pregnant and diagnosed as bypolar 2. She is on

medication now but I'm not sure which brand. She is planning to not breastfeed

because she thinks the drugs will be too strong for the baby. Do you know of any

reliable and natural alternatives? She breastfed with the last child and is

pinched to miss out on this. Thanks!

[Guest guest]

You might check out placenta encapsulation. Placenta is a very powerful

remedy in Traditional , and when prepared properly, women

have reported dramatically increased energy and improved moods postpartum.

There isn't a whole lot of Western research on this, as you might imagine,

but it has stood the test of centuries in TCM.

 

Here's a website for more info: www.placentabenefits.info

 

Hope this helps...

 

*Wendy Gordon, CPM

Professional Homebirth Midwife

Certified Placenta Encapsulation Specialist*

Vivante Midwifery

Portland, OR

www.VivanteMidwifery.com

 

 

 

On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, nityarawal <nityarawal wrote:

 

> I have a friend that is pregnant and diagnosed as bypolar 2. She is on

> medication now but I'm not sure which brand. She is planning to not

> breastfeed because she thinks the drugs will be too strong for the baby. Do

> you know of any reliable and natural alternatives? She breastfed with the

> last child and is pinched to miss out on this. Thanks!

>

> ayurveda <ayurveda%40>,

> " Adrienne " <greenhands wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > BuzerHel

> > BuzerHel

> > Monday, February 06, 2006 10:31 AM

> > Drug Chart

> >

> >

> > Hey, Ya'll

> >

> > I've received quite a few responses from you that you cannot open the

> drug chart document, so it is printed below. Hope this works for you. Sorry

> for the inconvenience.

> >

> > Have a great week!

> >

> > Helena

> >

> >

> > Anti-depressants

> >

> > Advantages During Pregnancy Disadvantages During Pregnancy Recommended

> Dose* (mg/day) Percent of Dose to Breastfeeding Baby** Reported Side Effects

> to Breastfeeding Infants

> > Teratogenicity

> > Bupropion (WellbutrinR; ZybanR)

> > · No sexual side effects

> >

> > · No excess weight gain

> >

> > · Helps with smoking cessation

> > · No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

> >

> > · Lowers seizure threshold

> >

> > · Can cause insomnia

> >

> > · Higher rate of spontaneous abortions

> > · 200 †" 300 mg

> > · Not known

> > · Seizures

> > Morphologic - none

> >

> > Behavioral - unknown

> >

> > Citalopram (CelexaR)

> > · Few interactions with other medications

> > · No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

> >

> > · Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

> > · 20 †" 40 mg

> > · 0.7% - 9.0%

> > · Uneasy sleep

> > Morphologic †" none

> >

> > Behavioral - unknown

> >

> > Desipramine (NorpraminR)

> > · More studies in human pregnancy,

> >

> > including neurodevelopmental

> >

> > follow-up

> > · Maternal side effects additive to pregnancy effects (sedation,

> constipation, tachycardia)

> >

> > · Orthostatic hypotension, risking decreased placental perfusion

> >

> > · Fetal and neonatal side effects: tachycardia, urinary retention

> > · 100 †" 200 mg

> > · 1.0%

> > · None

> > None

> >

> > Escitalopram

> >

> > (LexaproR)

> > ·Few interactions with other medications

> > · No systematic studies in human pregnancy

> >

> > · Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

> > · 10 mg

> > · Not known

> > · Not known

> > Unknown

> >

> > (probably similar to citalopram)

> >

> > Fluoxetine (ProzacR)

> > · More studies in human pregnancy,

> >

> > including neurodevelopmental follow-up & meta-analysis

> >

> > · Expert Consensus Guidelines top choice during pregnancy (if not

> planning to breastfeed)

> > · Possible increased risk of neonatal toxicity due to long half-life

> (tachypnea, respiratory distress, tremors, agitation, motor automatisms)

> > · Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

> >

> >

> > · 20 †" 60 mg · 1.2% - 12.0% · Vomiting, watery stools, excessive

> crying, difficulty sleeping, tremor, somnolence, hypotonia, decreased weight

> gain None

> > Mirtazapine (RemeronR)

> > · Helps restore appetite in women who are not gaining weight

> >

> > ·Less likely to exacerbate nausea and vomiting

> > · No systematic studies in human pregnancy

> >

> > · Can cause excessive weight gain

> >

> > · Tends to be sedating

> > · 15 †" 45 mg

> > · Not known

> > · Not known

> > Unknown

> >

> > Noryptiline

> >

> > (PamelorR)

> >

> >

> > · More studies in human pregnancy, including neurodevelopmental follow

> up

> > · Maternal side effects additive to pregnancy effects(sedation,

> constipation, tachycardia)

> >

> > · Orthostatic hypotension, risking decreased placental perfusion

> >

> > · Fetal and neonatal side effects: tachycardia, urinary retention

> > · 50 †" 150 mg

> > · Not known

> > · None

> > None

> >

> > Paroxetine (PaxilR)

> > · None (but may be more effective than other antidepressants for some

> individual patients)

> > · No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

> >

> > · Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

> >

> > · Possible increased risk of neonatal side effects (respiratory

> distress, tremor, hypoglycemia, changes in sleep pattern and behavioral

> state, convulsions, cardiac arrhythmias)

> > · 20 †" 60 mg

> > · 0.1% - 4.3%

> > · None

> > Morphologic †" Increased risk of cardio vascular malformations based on

> retrospective review

> >

> > Behavioral - unknown

> >

> > Sertraline (ZoloftR)

> > · Expert Consensus Guidelines top choice during pregnancy (if planning

> to breastfeed)

> > · No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

> >

> > · Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

> > · 50 †" 200 mg

> > · 0.4% - 1.7%

> > · None

> > Morphologic †" none

> >

> > Behavioral - unknown

> >

> > Venlafaxine (EffexorR)

> > · Balanced antidepressant; may be effective when selective agents are

> not

> > · No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

> > · 75 †" 225 mg

> > · 5.2% - 7.4%

> > · None

> > Morphologic †" none

> >

> > Behavioral - unknown

> >

> >

> > * = Physicians may consider initiating treatment with these agents at

> half of the lowest recommended therapeutic dose. Treatment decisions should

> be based on patient characteristics and clinical judgement.

> >

> > Dosages are from the Physician’s Desk Reference, 60th ed. Table based

> on Wisner et al Postpartum Depression Article in N Eng J Med, Vol. 347, No.

> 3, July 18, 2002, pg. 196 & related articles (for other references, call

> Perinatal

> >

> > Depression Project at # above). ** These are weight-adjusted estimates.

> >

> > General notes: · About 70% of women with recurrent major depression

> relapse during pregnancy if they discontinue antidepressant medication.

> >

> > · Untreated major depression during pregnancy is associated with

> increased risk of preterm birth, lower birth weight, pre-eclampsia and

> neonatal irritability.

> >

> > · All antidepressants, if abruptly discontinued during pregnancy or at

> the time of birth, can lead to discontinuation signs in the fetus or

> neonate. These signs can include irritability, excessive crying, difficulty

> sleeping, difficulty feeding, increased tone, hyperreflexia, shivering,

> tachypnea, and convulsions. Discontinuation side effects can be minimized by

> a partial dose taper during the last month of pregnancy, if the patient is

> asymptomatic, with a return to full dose after delivery to prevent

> postpartum recurrence.

> >

> > · Pharmacokinetic changes during pregnancy can affect antidepressant

> dosing. For SSRI (citalopram, escitalopram, fluoxetine, paroxetine,

> sertraline) and tricyclic (desipramine, nortryptiline) antidepressants, many

> women need increased doses towards the second half of pregnancy to maintain

> a therapeutic effect.

> >

> >

> >

> > Helena M. Bradford, Chm

> > The Ruth Rhoden Craven Foundation

> > for Postpartum Depression Awareness

> > 1339 Outreach Lane

> > Mt. Pleasant, SC 29464

> > 843 881-2047

> > Website: http://www.ppdsupport.org/

> >

> >

> > Sometimes God calms the storm;

> > other times He lets the storm rage and calms His child.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

RRRRRRRRGGGggggggggggggggggggggg I had a hard time reading the entire " drug

chart " and find it to be a horrible source considering some of the things I did

read. If your friend actually cares about the safety of her baby please make

sure she sees these emails.

 

http://www.psychdrugdangers.com/MothersAct.html

This is a drug table for all psychotropic drugs based on MedWatch FDA reports

(death, birth defects) for exposure via pregnancy and breastfeeding...

 

http://www.wellnessresources.com/content/articles/dangers_of_psych_drugs_in_preg\

nancy/

 

http://www.uniteforlife.org/content/view/20/2/ Dangers of Effexor / infant death

 

http://www.bigpharmavictim.blogspot.com/ Dangers of Paxil / heart defects

 

Here are some more articles about the fraud being perpetrated against mothers

concerning breastfeeding on medication

http://www.netpowwow.com/unite011109/breastfeeding.html

 

http://www.momsandmeds.com/breastmilk.html See the flyer for breastfeeding moms

(SIDS has been reported from antidepressants - exposure via breastmilk)

 

As for natural alternatives, there was a study on bipolar patients using Omega 3

(14 tabs a day) and it was so successful that they actually ended the study

abruptly in order to put the placebo group on the Omega 3 because they

considered it unethical to deprive them of the treatment.

 

Here are a couple more places to read about natural alternatives:

http://www.wellnessresources.com/health_topics/prenatal_supplements.php

http://www.wellnessresources.com/health_topics/postpartum_nutrition.php

 

also look into treating adrenal fatigue, noni juice for balancing the blood

sugar (blood sugar goes whack after being on psych drugs), and most importantly

, safe withdrawal from medications: http://www.drugawareness.org/order-page.html

click on the one for Help I Can't Get Off My Antidepressants

 

 

 

Sincerely,

Amy Philo

214-705-0169 home

817-793-8028 cell

 

 

Sign the petitionagainst The MOTHERS Act!

www.uniteforlife.org

 

 

" Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. " -

Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Wendy Gordon <wendycpm

ayurveda

Saturday, March 14, 2009 5:40:55 PM

Re: PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: antidepressant Drug Chart for

pregnancy/BF

 

You might check out placenta encapsulation. Placenta is a very powerful

remedy in Traditional , and when prepared properly, women

have reported dramatically increased energy and improved moods postpartum.

There isn't a whole lot of Western research on this, as you might imagine,

but it has stood the test of centuries in TCM.

 

Here's a website for more info: www.placentabenefits.info

 

Hope this helps...

 

*Wendy Gordon, CPM

Professional Homebirth Midwife

Certified Placenta Encapsulation Specialist*

Vivante Midwifery

Portland, OR

www.VivanteMidwifery.com

 

 

 

On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, nityarawal <nityarawal wrote:

 

> I have a friend that is pregnant and diagnosed as bypolar 2. She is on

> medication now but I'm not sure which brand. She is planning to not

> breastfeed because she thinks the drugs will be too strong for the baby. Do

> you know of any reliable and natural alternatives? She breastfed with the

> last child and is pinched to miss out on this. Thanks!

>

> ayurveda <ayurveda%40>,

> " Adrienne " <greenhands wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > BuzerHel

> > BuzerHel

> > Monday, February 06, 2006 10:31 AM

> > Drug Chart

> >

> >

> > Hey, Ya'll

> >

> > I've received quite a few responses from you that you cannot open the

> drug chart document, so it is printed below. Hope this works for you. Sorry

> for the inconvenience.

> >

> > Have a great week!

> >

> > Helena

> >

> >

> > Anti-depressants

> >

> > Advantages During Pregnancy Disadvantages During Pregnancy Recommended

> Dose* (mg/day) Percent of Dose to Breastfeeding Baby** Reported Side Effects

> to Breastfeeding Infants

> > Teratogenicity

> > Bupropion (WellbutrinR; ZybanR)

> > è·¯ No sexual side effects

> >

> > è·¯ No excess weight gain

> >

> > è·¯ Helps with smoking cessation

> > è·¯ No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

> >

> > è·¯ Lowers seizure threshold

> >

> > è·¯ Can cause insomnia

> >

> > è·¯ Higher rate of spontaneous abortions

> > 路 200 鈥 " 300 mg

> > è·¯ Not known

> > è·¯ Seizures

> > Morphologic - none

> >

> > Behavioral - unknown

> >

> > Citalopram (CelexaR)

> > è·¯ Few interactions with other medications

> > è·¯ No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

> >

> > è·¯ Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

> > 路 20 鈥 " 40 mg

> > è·¯ 0.7% - 9.0%

> > è·¯ Uneasy sleep

> > Morphologic 鈥 " none

> >

> > Behavioral - unknown

> >

> > Desipramine (NorpraminR)

> > è·¯ More studies in human pregnancy,

> >

> > including neurodevelopmental

> >

> > follow-up

> > è·¯ Maternal side effects additive to pregnancy effects (sedation,

> constipation, tachycardia)

> >

> > è·¯ Orthostatic hypotension, risking decreased placental perfusion

> >

> > è·¯ Fetal and neonatal side effects: tachycardia, urinary retention

> > 路 100 鈥 " 200 mg

> > è·¯ 1.0%

> > è·¯ None

> > None

> >

> > Escitalopram

> >

> > (LexaproR)

> > è·¯Few interactions with other medications

> > è·¯ No systematic studies in human pregnancy

> >

> > è·¯ Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

> > è·¯ 10 mg

> > è·¯ Not known

> > è·¯ Not known

> > Unknown

> >

> > (probably similar to citalopram)

> >

> > Fluoxetine (ProzacR)

> > è·¯ More studies in human pregnancy,

> >

> > including neurodevelopmental follow-up & meta-analysis

> >

> > è·¯ Expert Consensus Guidelines top choice during pregnancy (if not

> planning to breastfeed)

> > è·¯ Possible increased risk of neonatal toxicity due to long half-life

> (tachypnea, respiratory distress, tremors, agitation, motor automatisms)

> > è·¯ Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

> >

> >

> > 路 20 鈥 " 60 mg 路 1.2% - 12.0% 路 Vomiting, watery stools, excessive

> crying, difficulty sleeping, tremor, somnolence, hypotonia, decreased weight

> gain None

> > Mirtazapine (RemeronR)

> > è·¯ Helps restore appetite in women who are not gaining weight

> >

> > è·¯Less likely to exacerbate nausea and vomiting

> > è·¯ No systematic studies in human pregnancy

> >

> > è·¯ Can cause excessive weight gain

> >

> > è·¯ Tends to be sedating

> > 路 15 鈥 " 45 mg

> > è·¯ Not known

> > è·¯ Not known

> > Unknown

> >

> > Noryptiline

> >

> > (PamelorR)

> >

> >

> > è·¯ More studies in human pregnancy, including neurodevelopmental follow

> up

> > è·¯ Maternal side effects additive to pregnancy effects(sedation,

> constipation, tachycardia)

> >

> > è·¯ Orthostatic hypotension, risking decreased placental perfusion

> >

> > è·¯ Fetal and neonatal side effects: tachycardia, urinary retention

> > 路 50 鈥 " 150 mg

> > è·¯ Not known

> > è·¯ None

> > None

> >

> > Paroxetine (PaxilR)

> > è·¯ None (but may be more effective than other antidepressants for some

> individual patients)

> > è·¯ No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

> >

> > è·¯ Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

> >

> > è·¯ Possible increased risk of neonatal side effects (respiratory

> distress, tremor, hypoglycemia, changes in sleep pattern and behavioral

> state, convulsions, cardiac arrhythmias)

> > 路 20 鈥 " 60 mg

> > è·¯ 0.1% - 4.3%

> > è·¯ None

> > Morphologic 鈥 " Increased risk of cardio vascular malformations based on

> retrospective review

> >

> > Behavioral - unknown

> >

> > Sertraline (ZoloftR)

> > è·¯ Expert Consensus Guidelines top choice during pregnancy (if planning

> to breastfeed)

> > è·¯ No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

> >

> > è·¯ Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

> > 路 50 鈥 " 200 mg

> > è·¯ 0.4% - 1.7%

> > è·¯ None

> > Morphologic 鈥 " none

> >

> > Behavioral - unknown

> >

> > Venlafaxine (EffexorR)

> > è·¯ Balanced antidepressant; may be effective when selective agents are

> not

> > è·¯ No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

> > 路 75 鈥 " 225 mg

> > è·¯ 5.2% - 7.4%

> > è·¯ None

> > Morphologic 鈥 " none

> >

> > Behavioral - unknown

> >

> >

> > * = Physicians may consider initiating treatment with these agents at

> half of the lowest recommended therapeutic dose. Treatment decisions should

> be based on patient characteristics and clinical judgement.

> >

> > Dosages are from the Physician鈥檚 Desk Reference, 60th ed. Table based

> on Wisner et al Postpartum Depression Article in N Eng J Med, Vol. 347, No.

> 3, July 18, 2002, pg. 196 & related articles (for other references, call

> Perinatal

> >

> > Depression Project at # above). ** These are weight-adjusted estimates.

> >

> > General notes: è·¯ About 70% of women with recurrent major depression

> relapse during pregnancy if they discontinue antidepressant medication.

> >

> > è·¯ Untreated major depression during pregnancy is associated with

> increased risk of preterm birth, lower birth weight, pre-eclampsia and

> neonatal irritability.

> >

> > è·¯ All antidepressants, if abruptly discontinued during pregnancy or at

> the time of birth, can lead to discontinuation signs in the fetus or

> neonate. These signs can include irritability, excessive crying, difficulty

> sleeping, difficulty feeding, increased tone, hyperreflexia, shivering,

> tachypnea, and convulsions. Discontinuation side effects can be minimized by

> a partial dose taper during the last month of pregnancy, if the patient is

> asymptomatic, with a return to full dose after delivery to prevent

> postpartum recurrence.

> >

> > è·¯ Pharmacokinetic changes during pregnancy can affect antidepressant

> dosing. For SSRI (citalopram, escitalopram, fluoxetine, paroxetine,

> sertraline) and tricyclic (desipramine, nortryptiline) antidepressants, many

> women need increased doses towards the second half of pregnancy to maintain

> a therapeutic effect.

> >

> >

> >

> > Helena M. Bradford, Chm

> > The Ruth Rhoden Craven Foundation

> > for Postpartum Depression Awareness

> > 1339 Outreach Lane

> > Mt. Pleasant, SC 29464

> > 843 881-2047

> > Website: http://www.ppdsupport.org/

> >

> >

> > Sometimes God calms the storm;

> > other times He lets the storm rage and calms His child.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

OK I did look at the drug chart briefly after my last email, and had to stop

several times while doing so because it is literally raising my blood pressure.

But here goes:

 

I noticed there were lots of things missing from the chart, namely coma, SIDS,

spontaneous abrotions, stillbirths, heart defects, delayed ossification, PPHN,

skull malformations, anencephaly (I think that one means no brain), intestines

forming outside body, misformed anus, etc. etc. etc. which have been reported

with every antidepressant. The pregnancy category for every antidepressant is C

or worse. Some of the atypicals and the mood stabilizers, antipsychotics, etc.

are surely much worse. I know some of the drugs are category X.

 

this video has a summary of the numbers of babies reported to have died or who

were born with birth defects (before they added the MedWatch number to drug

advertising)

 

This is a video I did for my friend whose baby died at 6 weeks postpartum from

" SIDS " (a.k.a. Effexor exposure during pregnancy and breastfeeding)

 

 

Sincerely,

Amy Philo

214-705-0169 home

817-793-8028 cell

 

 

Sign the petitionagainst The MOTHERS Act!

www.uniteforlife.org

 

 

" Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. " -

Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Amy Philo <amyphilo

ayurveda

Saturday, March 14, 2009 7:02:37 PM

Re: PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: antidepressant Drug Chart for

pregnancy/BF

 

 

RRRRRRRRGGGggggggggggggggggggggg I had a hard time reading the entire " drug

chart " and find it to be a horrible source considering some of the things I did

read. If your friend actually cares about the safety of her baby please make

sure she sees these emails.

 

http://www.psychdrugdangers.com/MothersAct.html

This is a drug table for all psychotropic drugs based on MedWatch FDA reports

(death, birth defects) for exposure via pregnancy and breastfeeding...

 

http://www.wellnessresources.com/content/articles/dangers_of_psych_drugs_in_preg\

nancy/

 

http://www.uniteforlife.org/content/view/20/2/ Dangers of Effexor / infant death

 

http://www.bigpharmavictim.blogspot.com/ Dangers of Paxil / heart defects

 

Here are some more articles about the fraud being perpetrated against mothers

concerning breastfeeding on medication

http://www.netpowwow.com/unite011109/breastfeeding.html

 

http://www.momsandmeds.com/breastmilk.htmlSee the flyer for breastfeeding moms

(SIDS has been reported from antidepressants - exposure via breastmilk)

 

As for natural alternatives, there was a study on bipolar patients using Omega 3

(14 tabs a day) and it was so successful that they actually ended the study

abruptly in order to put the placebo group on the Omega 3 because they

considered it unethical to deprive them of the treatment.

 

Here are a couple more places to read about natural alternatives:

http://www.wellnessresources.com/health_topics/prenatal_supplements.php

http://www.wellnessresources.com/health_topics/postpartum_nutrition.php

 

also look into treating adrenal fatigue, noni juice for balancing the blood

sugar (blood sugar goes whack after being on psych drugs), and most importantly

, safe withdrawal from medications: http://www.drugawareness.org/order-page.html

click on the one for Help I Can't Get Off My Antidepressants

 

 

 

Sincerely,

Amy Philo

214-705-0169 home

817-793-8028 cell

 

 

Sign the petitionagainst The MOTHERS Act!

www.uniteforlife.org

 

 

" Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. " -

Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

 

 

 

________________________________

Wendy Gordon <wendycpm

ayurveda

Saturday, March 14, 2009 5:40:55 PM

Re: PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: antidepressant Drug Chart for

pregnancy/BF

 

You might check out placenta encapsulation. Placenta is a very powerful

remedy in Traditional , and when prepared properly, women

have reported dramatically increased energy and improved moods postpartum.

There isn't a whole lot of Western research on this, as you might imagine,

but it has stood the test of centuries in TCM.

 

Here's a website for more info: www.placentabenefits.info

 

Hope this helps...

 

*Wendy Gordon, CPM

Professional Homebirth Midwife

Certified Placenta Encapsulation Specialist*

Vivante Midwifery

Portland, OR

www.VivanteMidwifery.com

 

 

 

On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, nityarawal <nityarawal wrote:

 

> I have a friend that is pregnant and diagnosed as bypolar 2. She is on

> medication now but I'm not sure which brand. She is planning to not

> breastfeed because she thinks the drugs will be too strong for the baby. Do

> you know of any reliable and natural alternatives? She breastfed with the

> last child and is pinched to miss out on this. Thanks!

>

> ayurveda <ayurveda%40>,

> " Adrienne " <greenhands wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > BuzerHel

> > BuzerHel

> > Monday, February 06, 2006 10:31 AM

> > Drug Chart

> >

> >

> > Hey, Ya'll

> >

> > I've received quite a few responses from you that you cannot open the

> drug chart document, so it is printed below. Hope this works for you. Sorry

> for the inconvenience.

> >

> > Have a great week!

> >

> > Helena

> >

> >

> > Anti-depressants

> >

> > Advantages During Pregnancy Disadvantages During Pregnancy Recommended

> Dose* (mg/day) Percent of Dose to Breastfeeding Baby** Reported Side Effects

> to Breastfeeding Infants

> > Teratogenicity

> > Bupropion (WellbutrinR; ZybanR)

> > è·¯ No sexual side effects

> >

> > è·¯ No excess weight gain

> >

> > è·¯ Helps with smoking cessation

> > è·¯ No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

> >

> > è·¯ Lowers seizure threshold

> >

> > è·¯ Can cause insomnia

> >

> > è·¯ Higher rate of spontaneous abortions

> > 路 200 鈥 " 300 mg

> > è·¯ Not known

> > è·¯ Seizures

> > Morphologic - none

> >

> > Behavioral - unknown

> >

> > Citalopram (CelexaR)

> > è·¯ Few interactions with other medications

> > è·¯ No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

> >

> > è·¯ Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

> > 路 20 鈥 " 40 mg

> > è·¯ 0.7% - 9.0%

> > è·¯ Uneasy sleep

> > Morphologic 鈥 " none

> >

> > Behavioral - unknown

> >

> > Desipramine (NorpraminR)

> > è·¯ More studies in human pregnancy,

> >

> > including neurodevelopmental

> >

> > follow-up

> > è·¯ Maternal side effects additive to pregnancy effects (sedation,

> constipation, tachycardia)

> >

> > è·¯ Orthostatic hypotension, risking decreased placental perfusion

> >

> > è·¯ Fetal and neonatal side effects: tachycardia, urinary retention

> > 路 100 鈥 " 200 mg

> > è·¯ 1.0%

> > è·¯ None

> > None

> >

> > Escitalopram

> >

> > (LexaproR)

> > è·¯Few interactions with other medications

> > è·¯ No systematic studies in human pregnancy

> >

> > è·¯ Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

> > è·¯ 10 mg

> > è·¯ Not known

> > è·¯ Not known

> > Unknown

> >

> > (probably similar to citalopram)

> >

> > Fluoxetine (ProzacR)

> > è·¯ More studies in human pregnancy,

> >

> > including neurodevelopmental follow-up & meta-analysis

> >

> > è·¯ Expert Consensus Guidelines top choice during pregnancy (if not

> planning to breastfeed)

> > è·¯ Possible increased risk of neonatal toxicity due to long half-life

> (tachypnea, respiratory distress, tremors, agitation, motor automatisms)

> > è·¯ Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

> >

> >

> > 路 20 鈥 " 60 mg 路 1.2% - 12.0% 路 Vomiting, watery stools, excessive

> crying, difficulty sleeping, tremor, somnolence, hypotonia, decreased weight

> gain None

> > Mirtazapine (RemeronR)

> > è·¯ Helps restore appetite in women who are not gaining weight

> >

> > è·¯Less likely to exacerbate nausea and vomiting

> > è·¯ No systematic studies in human pregnancy

> >

> > è·¯ Can cause excessive weight gain

> >

> > è·¯ Tends to be sedating

> > 路 15 鈥 " 45 mg

> > è·¯ Not known

> > è·¯ Not known

> > Unknown

> >

> > Noryptiline

> >

> > (PamelorR)

> >

> >

> > è·¯ More studies in human pregnancy, including neurodevelopmental follow

> up

> > è·¯ Maternal side effects additive to pregnancy effects(sedation,

> constipation, tachycardia)

> >

> > è·¯ Orthostatic hypotension, risking decreased placental perfusion

> >

> > è·¯ Fetal and neonatal side effects: tachycardia, urinary retention

> > 路 50 鈥 " 150 mg

> > è·¯ Not known

> > è·¯ None

> > None

> >

> > Paroxetine (PaxilR)

> > è·¯ None (but may be more effective than other antidepressants for some

> individual patients)

> > è·¯ No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

> >

> > è·¯ Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

> >

> > è·¯ Possible increased risk of neonatal side effects (respiratory

> distress, tremor, hypoglycemia, changes in sleep pattern and behavioral

> state, convulsions, cardiac arrhythmias)

> > 路 20 鈥 " 60 mg

> > è·¯ 0.1% - 4.3%

> > è·¯ None

> > Morphologic 鈥 " Increased risk of cardio vascular malformations based on

> retrospective review

> >

> > Behavioral - unknown

> >

> > Sertraline (ZoloftR)

> > è·¯ Expert Consensus Guidelines top choice during pregnancy (if planning

> to breastfeed)

> > è·¯ No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

> >

> > è·¯ Increased bleeding tendency (rare)

> > 路 50 鈥 " 200 mg

> > è·¯ 0.4% - 1.7%

> > è·¯ None

> > Morphologic 鈥 " none

> >

> > Behavioral - unknown

> >

> > Venlafaxine (EffexorR)

> > è·¯ Balanced antidepressant; may be effective when selective agents are

> not

> > è·¯ No behavioral studies in human pregnancy

> > 路 75 鈥 " 225 mg

> > è·¯ 5.2% - 7.4%

> > è·¯ None

> > Morphologic 鈥 " none

> >

> > Behavioral - unknown

> >

> >

> > * = Physicians may consider initiating treatment with these agents at

> half of the lowest recommended therapeutic dose. Treatment decisions should

> be based on patient characteristics and clinical judgement.

> >

> > Dosages are from the Physician鈥檚 Desk Reference, 60th ed. Table based

> on Wisner et al Postpartum Depression Article in N Eng J Med, Vol. 347, No.

> 3, July 18, 2002, pg. 196 & related articles (for other references, call

> Perinatal

> >

> > Depression Project at # above). ** These are weight-adjusted estimates.

> >

> > General notes: è·¯ About 70% of women with recurrent major depression

> relapse during pregnancy if they discontinue antidepressant medication.

> >

> > è·¯ Untreated major depression during pregnancy is associated with

> increased risk of preterm birth, lower birth weight, pre-eclampsia and

> neonatal irritability.

> >

> > è·¯ All antidepressants, if abruptly discontinued during pregnancy or at

> the time of birth, can lead to discontinuation signs in the fetus or

> neonate. These signs can include irritability, excessive crying, difficulty

> sleeping, difficulty feeding, increased tone, hyperreflexia, shivering,

> tachypnea, and convulsions. Discontinuation side effects can be minimized by

> a partial dose taper during the last month of pregnancy, if the patient is

> asymptomatic, with a return to full dose after delivery to prevent

> postpartum recurrence.

> >

> > è·¯ Pharmacokinetic changes during pregnancy can affect antidepressant

> dosing. For SSRI (citalopram, escitalopram, fluoxetine, paroxetine,

> sertraline) and tricyclic (desipramine, nortryptiline) antidepressants, many

> women need increased doses towards the second half of pregnancy to maintain

> a therapeutic effect.

> >

> >

> >

> > Helena M. Bradford, Chm

> > The Ruth Rhoden Craven Foundation

> > for Postpartum Depression Awareness

> > 1339 Outreach Lane

> > Mt. Pleasant, SC 29464

> > 843 881-2047

> > Website: http://www.ppdsupport.org/

> >

> >

> > Sometimes God calms the storm;

> > other times He lets the storm rage and calms His child.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you for setting this straight, AMy. Although that chart was a couple

years old and there is much more " research " available now, it still didn't sit

right with me as being safe.

 

Yes, the ningxia wolfberry is wonderful also for it's effects with supporting

balance in blood sugar and insulin - with extra low glyceminc index when

combined 50% with other high antiox juices in the Ningxia Red product. Some

amazing stories for babies even, with it. Even though it tastes sweet. I

haven't seen the reports on the Noni.

 

Yes the reports on how this class of meds raises cortisol levels are amazing,

which of course increases fight or flight reactions and whips the insulin

pathways mobilizing extra sugar in the blood to be ready for the lions and

tigers and bears and all the invisible fears too.

 

I hope the version of the chart you finally looked at was the one in the files

section - the format stripped version I put into a post for someone who couldn't

open it, turned out really a bear, or tiger or something to decipher!

 

Best -

Ysha

 

> OK I did look at the drug chart briefly after my last email, and had to stop

several times while doing so because it is literally raising my blood pressure.

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much Ysha! I printed everything up but need to go pick it up. I've

been so busy the last few days and I think I've overdone it once again. I feel

like I'm coming down with a cold. I have a lot of insomnia this pregnancy in the

early hours of the morning and then go back to sleep so I'm up reading your

responses. The group was so helpful! I'm forwarding everything to Dharmaja and

inviting her to join. She just joined YL and will be getting the Ninxa red. Yes,

let's do a call this week .What is your schedule like? My morning sickness is

easing up...I still am popping homeopathics constantly and ginger to keep it in

check but it seems managable now. Talk to you soon! Love, N

 

 

 

________________________________

Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas

ayurveda

Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:11:55 PM

PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: antidepressant Drug Chart for pregnancy/BF

 

 

Hi Nitya -

 

Were you able to download the chart in the files? It is a word doc in this

folder,

 

http://health. groups.. com Perinatalayurved aRELATED%

20GOOD%20STUFF/

 

I honestly don't have experience with this though I honestly expect there are

options for her. We will have to see who else responds here. Shawna may have

good input on it also. Hmm, I've a book by Dr. Chouhan on " incurable diseases "

that includes discussion on BiPolar, it is several pages. I'll look it over at

lunchtime.

 

Maybe you can call? It would be a lot to transcribe. There are so many looking

for options to meds these days.

 

Best -

Ysha

 

> I have a friend that is pregnant and diagnosed as bypolar 2. She is on

medication now but I'm not sure which brand. She is planning to not breastfeed

because she thinks the drugs will be too strong for the baby. Do you know of any

reliable and natural alternatives? She breastfed with the last child and is

pinched to miss out on this. Thanks!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I personally had an absolutely incredible experience with

placentaphagia. I hemorraged severely after birth and if I was in a

hospital would have been most likely transfused. My husband whipped

up a placenta shake literally right after the hemorrage scare and all

my levels went up and I got color on my face almost immediately . For

the weeks following he encapsulated the remainder of the placenta and

I had absolutely zero ppd. With my first son I did have at least

the blues and total disconnect for about 2 weeks. I think

placentaphagia is incredible and hope it continues to gain more

popularity as it is sooo good for women.

 

 

Peace,

 

Betsy

On Mar 15, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Vicky York wrote:

 

> You know, I have worked with several postpartum doula clients who

> have had

> their placentas dried and encapsulated. None have gotten any

> perinatal mood

> disorders and all have truly regained their energy much more quickly

> than

> the average new mother I care for. I know one midwife in Oregon said

> her

> client was bleeding too much right after delivery. The midwife had the

> mother eat a pinch of her own placenta and she felt the mothers uterus

> contract strongly immediately. I read that most mammals do eat their

> placentas.

>

> Vicky York, CPD, IBCLC

> Postpartum Care Services

> Portland, OR

>

> www.vickyyorkpostpartumdoula.com

> references: www.ikarma.com/user/vmyork

>

> -

> " Wendy Gordon " <wendycpm

> <ayurveda >

> Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:40 PM

> Re: PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: antidepressant Drug Chart for

> pregnancy/BF

>

> You might check out placenta encapsulation. Placenta is a very

> powerful

> remedy in Traditional , and when prepared properly,

> women

> have reported dramatically increased energy and improved moods

> postpartum.

> There isn't a whole lot of Western research on this, as you might

> imagine,

> but it has stood the test of centuries in TCM.

>

> Here's a website for more info: www.placentabenefits.info

>

> Hope this helps...

>

> *Wendy Gordon, CPM

> Professional Homebirth Midwife

> Certified Placenta Encapsulation Specialist*

> Vivante Midwifery

> Portland, OR

> www.VivanteMidwifery.com

>

> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, nityarawal <nityarawal

> wrote:

>

> > I have a friend that is pregnant and diagnosed as bypolar 2. She

> is on

> > medication now but I'm not sure which brand. She is planning to not

> > breastfeed because she thinks the drugs will be too strong for the

> baby.

> > Do

> > you know of any reliable and natural alternatives? She breastfed

> with the

> > last child and is pinched to miss out on this. Thanks!

> >

> >> > > >

> > >

> > >

>

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

You know, I have worked with several postpartum doula clients who have had

their placentas dried and encapsulated. None have gotten any perinatal mood

disorders and all have truly regained their energy much more quickly than

the average new mother I care for. I know one midwife in Oregon said her

client was bleeding too much right after delivery. The midwife had the

mother eat a pinch of her own placenta and she felt the mothers uterus

contract strongly immediately. I read that most mammals do eat their

placentas.

 

Vicky York, CPD, IBCLC

Postpartum Care Services

Portland, OR

 

www.vickyyorkpostpartumdoula.com

references: www.ikarma.com/user/vmyork

 

-

" Wendy Gordon " <wendycpm

<ayurveda >

Saturday, March 14, 2009 2:40 PM

Re: PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: antidepressant Drug Chart for

pregnancy/BF

 

 

You might check out placenta encapsulation. Placenta is a very powerful

remedy in Traditional , and when prepared properly, women

have reported dramatically increased energy and improved moods postpartum.

There isn't a whole lot of Western research on this, as you might imagine,

but it has stood the test of centuries in TCM.

 

Here's a website for more info: www.placentabenefits.info

 

Hope this helps...

 

*Wendy Gordon, CPM

Professional Homebirth Midwife

Certified Placenta Encapsulation Specialist*

Vivante Midwifery

Portland, OR

www.VivanteMidwifery.com

 

 

 

On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 11:12 AM, nityarawal <nityarawal wrote:

 

> I have a friend that is pregnant and diagnosed as bypolar 2. She is on

> medication now but I'm not sure which brand. She is planning to not

> breastfeed because she thinks the drugs will be too strong for the baby.

> Do

> you know of any reliable and natural alternatives? She breastfed with the

> last child and is pinched to miss out on this. Thanks!

>

>> > > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Nitya -

 

My best results were with the flower essences. A dear

friend/wisewoman/Midwifery student and AyurDoula intern in High Springs, Florida

has been working with them for years, even with a weekly mentor to continue and

build her abilities with them. She can help you create a formula from a

distance if you like, I " m sure. They are kind of like homeopathics, but not as

extremely diluted; no taste, you put a few drops in water or juice. I remember

Black Walnut was one of the three or 4 that really turned things around for me.

They can even address the subtle body/emotional body patterns where something

may be amiss in your relation with this one.

 

In that vein, the two EO blends I'd experiment with if you have them are Valor

(frankincense/blue chamomile/spruce/rosewood) and Gentle Baby (wonderful blend

of skin and bonding supportive mostly floral oils). Probably the first will be

better for you, my guess (you know how to use it to balance left/right pulses?),

and a personalized flower essence formula.

 

I know you have a good meditation practice, probably are good about getting

outside in fresh air - are you doing your pranayama? Only the simple alternate

nostril or ujjai. THat's not just for prana, but for the calm centering of

physical and subtle body that comes around a little differently from your

usually effortless meditation that may feel muddy too. With some needs 10

minutes of the pranayama is more direct. I'd encourage you also to do some

spiritual singing or chanting, such as the Maha Mritynjaya mantra. You are

usually always helping others - this will help release some layers of holding

on. All this will of course benefit Baby's evolution also, and as you know, at

this time you are blessed to do your TM as much as you like.

 

For the dairy, if cream is too heavy, how about lowfat/no fat. Milk,

specifically, is the indicated source of dairy. Raw, or boiled and cooled, with

a pinch of cardamom, until warm sounds better, which could be soon.

 

At 11 weeks, you may get lucky in another week and clear up, though occasionally

women continue with nausea longer (I don't know the stats). We may hear from

you soon about odd cravings instead, as Baby's mental/emotional body/sheath

becomes more linked into his/her form and heart starts beating on the physical

plane. As you probably saw in the notes, it may create desires in you not just

for food. You and your husband, with enough witness on it, can say, OH my! and

support for triguna, dosha or other balance if needed.

 

In general, the advice with unusual desires is satisfy a little and see if that

is enough. Also, evaluate the qualitative issues, and satisfy with best source

you can. IE, if you crave red meat and don't usually eat it, you may want to

address not only iron, but strength building herbs, and more of other suitable

protein sources for you as well as your digestion.

 

THough this is jumping ahead of your current concerns, it could easily become

issues shortly. Hope something here helps!

 

Saroj's number (Florida, for flower essences) is (386) 454-4220. She can create

good formula, and you can get more quickly where you are.

 

OH! take a look at the chapter on " Being PRepared " in the AFPPCC unit - where

Baby's developing senses are discussed for supports; and the NAMA conference

notes and extras for more detail on which herbs may be good. I'm guessing it is

good time for some gokesura to support developing kidneys, but would have to

look it up myself, this is more recent study for me and pregnancy clients are

not my usual.

 

Wishing you the Blessings of Comfort!

Ysha

 

> worst morning sickness. It's quite bad at night too- I usually can only watch

TV. Once I tried talking on the phone and got sick mid conversation. (It wasn't

like this last time) Actually, I've managed to not throw up for a few days but I

think it's only because I keep eating to stave off vomiting, then I get gas.

I've put on 10 pounds

 

>I've heard Ayurvedically dairy is good first trimester but I notice many times

I feel more sick after full cream dairy products so I'm backing off on them plus

I'm congested. I can seem

[Guest guest]

you may want to address not only iron

 

 

Don't forget cooking in cast iron!

 

 

Patti Garland

Ayurvedic Chef and Organic Gardener

Bliss Kitchen

http://www.BlissKitchen.com

(760) 238-6451

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Mar 17, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Ysha Oakes wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks! I will check out the flower essences! I am looking forward to connecting

with you Sat. at 3pm. I also got the wrist bands and am eating more nut butters.

I bought the organic low fat raw milk but have felt too congested to try it.

There is a colostrom kefir that really helped me to kick my cold last weekend

though...maybe I'll get more of that. Was the iron recc. for me? I do cook in a

iron skillet. I will start using my copper cup too. I was actually taking my

B's and Folic acid today and that made me sick...I just got this nausease from

midwife that helped yesterday but I feel like not taking pills the last couple

of days. Thanks so much for all of your support! Blessings, Nitya

 

 

 

________________________________

Ysha Oakes <AyurDoulas

ayurveda

Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:36:46 AM

PerinatalAyurveda forum Re: antidepressant Drug Chart for pregnancy/BF

 

 

Hi Nitya -

 

My best results were with the flower essences. A dear friend/wisewoman/

Midwifery student and AyurDoula intern in High Springs, Florida has been working

with them for years, even with a weekly mentor to continue and build her

abilities with them. She can help you create a formula from a distance if you

like, I " m sure. They are kind of like homeopathics, but not as extremely

diluted; no taste, you put a few drops in water or juice. I remember Black

Walnut was one of the three or 4 that really turned things around for me. They

can even address the subtle body/emotional body patterns where something may be

amiss in your relation with this one.

 

In that vein, the two EO blends I'd experiment with if you have them are Valor

(frankincense/ blue chamomile/spruce/ rosewood) and Gentle Baby (wonderful blend

of skin and bonding supportive mostly floral oils). Probably the first will be

better for you, my guess (you know how to use it to balance left/right pulses?),

and a personalized flower essence formula.

 

I know you have a good meditation practice, probably are good about getting

outside in fresh air - are you doing your pranayama? Only the simple alternate

nostril or ujjai. THat's not just for prana, but for the calm centering of

physical and subtle body that comes around a little differently from your

usually effortless meditation that may feel muddy too. With some needs 10

minutes of the pranayama is more direct. I'd encourage you also to do some

spiritual singing or chanting, such as the Maha Mritynjaya mantra. You are

usually always helping others - this will help release some layers of holding

on. All this will of course benefit Baby's evolution also, and as you know, at

this time you are blessed to do your TM as much as you like.

 

For the dairy, if cream is too heavy, how about lowfat/no fat. Milk,

specifically, is the indicated source of dairy. Raw, or boiled and cooled, with

a pinch of cardamom, until warm sounds better, which could be soon.

 

At 11 weeks, you may get lucky in another week and clear up, though occasionally

women continue with nausea longer (I don't know the stats). We may hear from

you soon about odd cravings instead, as Baby's mental/emotional body/sheath

becomes more linked into his/her form and heart starts beating on the physical

plane. As you probably saw in the notes, it may create desires in you not just

for food. You and your husband, with enough witness on it, can say, OH my! and

support for triguna, dosha or other balance if needed.

 

In general, the advice with unusual desires is satisfy a little and see if that

is enough. Also, evaluate the qualitative issues, and satisfy with best source

you can. IE, if you crave red meat and don't usually eat it, you may want to

address not only iron, but strength building herbs, and more of other suitable

protein sources for you as well as your digestion.

 

THough this is jumping ahead of your current concerns, it could easily become

issues shortly. Hope something here helps!

 

Saroj's number (Florida, for flower essences) is (386) 454-4220. She can create

good formula, and you can get more quickly where you are.

 

OH! take a look at the chapter on " Being PRepared " in the AFPPCC unit - where

Baby's developing senses are discussed for supports; and the NAMA conference

notes and extras for more detail on which herbs may be good. I'm guessing it is

good time for some gokesura to support developing kidneys, but would have to

look it up myself, this is more recent study for me and pregnancy clients are

not my usual.

 

Wishing you the Blessings of Comfort!

Ysha

 

> worst morning sickness. It's quite bad at night too- I usually can only watch

TV. Once I tried talking on the phone and got sick mid conversation. (It wasn't

like this last time) Actually, I've managed to not throw up for a few days but I

think it's only because I keep eating to stave off vomiting, then I get gas.

I've put on 10 pounds

 

>I've heard Ayurvedically dairy is good first trimester but I notice many times

I feel more sick after full cream dairy products so I'm backing off on them plus

I'm congested. I can seem