Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 At Beeara's ok, I'd like to address this question for others to hear my responses (interleaved). THis is a long one - Martha Dear Beeara; These are very natural questions which come often from those jumping into the middle of the training without the foundational classes; no offense of course here. It is something that has taken me much time to learn, and when you found Sonya and asked her to teach her the mothers' massage, given all of your background, it was the kind of thing I used to do. AyurDoula care is about so much more than the mother's warm oil home spa care, as we are calling it now, which includes the " massage " or abhyanga - repetitive application of warm oil, heat applications, rest, and long soak in the bath as soon as allowed. THis is one element of the care, among 10 or 12, and definitely the best paying for the doula and one of the three most important for avoiding common problems of colic, depression, lactation, constipation, etc and enhancing rapid rejuvenation, bonding, and all the other benefits. Now, all the schools I'm teaching with are requiring a commitment to the entire program! Minimum 120 hours, with a trend to require 200 hours so that it meets the NAMA ayurvedic minimum training for national certification in any ayurvedic practice. Martha, hello, First of all I want to say that I've been following the preinatal listserve and am so appreciating your generosity with all the wisdom you are sharing with all of us. Thank you. M - Most welcome. And I'm really delighted at the honesty and openness with which you bring your questions out, Beeara. B - I'm wanting to let you know that I'm a bit stymied about whether (or when?) to continue my Ayerdoula training. A few factors are presenting themselves as obstacles and I'm needing to let things unfold and gain more clarity before I proceed. M - So this is healthy natural unfoldment; listening in to yourself, something is missing, and asking. You honor the learning process by asking! These are very good questions illustrating a few of the very significant differences between western allopathic, massage, and the western models of postpartum care and ayurvedic postpartum care. B - First of all, I did some massage training with Sonya back in September. I think she did a great job of training and it seemed that I picked up the form quite well. M - Yes, she spend was it one day with you, how many practices did you do under her guidance? I find my students need 2 days, both doing and receiving a total of at least 3 times guided in addition to observing and discussing, then a number of practices after that. Part of the attention to detail definitely is to create a standard so clients can expect a certain type and quality of massage, even with fine points of attention, among AyurDoulas in the same area and nationally. B - And yet, I realized I'm not so sure that I could embrace the form. It is so repetitive and so much the same again and again When I work on a mother, because of things we study at some length in the foudational theoretical class, my heart and attention is on a very universal sort of approach, in some ways not very personal for her or me once she closes her eyes and surrenders to her massage experience and need to rest and rejuvenate. Because of her total state of openness to deliver the baby in whatever way transpired, she needs no music, nothing except warmth, soothing oily repetitive reminders and gentle physical not energy work or deep dig support to move the waste products thru the body channels thru lymph, muscle, circulation, colon, etc. She quickly sinks very deeply, and the intent is to myself drop out of her awareness and facilitate her deepest mind-body awareness to be brought back up thru the layers of her physiology in a renewed integration and groundedness. Her psyche is very surrendered (all this even though of course there are differences), personality is not so much an issue as at other times of her life. Another value of the repetition is to strengthen her psychophysiological appreciation of how rewarding simple repetition can be in her life, whether in awareness and harmony with Ma Nature's daily/seasonal etc rhythms, or and also as something she will be doing for years in many ways! including hopefully, massaging her baby/growing child daily in these ways. I also have found (again, no offense intended ) that massage therapists are my most difficult students usually, as what they have learned is so different it is firstly difficult to set it aside and actually do what is being taught. I was not there, have no idea how much was actually transferred for you. In any case, even embracing very simple principles of the mothers care, they appreciate it greatly, it makes a tremendous difference, and I am happy to hear you are beginning to include it in your practice. I kept thinking, offer the training in modules. Students can take what they are both interested in and can afford, as long as they are already prequalified as doulas or midwives even experienced mothers etc with good client manners and familiarity with the postpartum basic care needs. I almost accepted two massage school offers to teach very modified knowledge and very shortened versions of the massage. IT was natural for Sonya to think similarly, and she already knows she will be trainer in training for our next Colorado program. Those under prepared with the knowledge students are not much staying with the work, I find. They do not have the picture or the skills rounded out right. You see, serving a postpartum client is very much about being an ayurvedic mother to them, including words of explanation and many seemingly little tips, much repetition yes. Do you remember from your basic ayurvedic foundations some of the keywords which pacify VATA dosha? Remember also that after childbirth all women are out of balance with vata more than anything else, and this must be addressed. Simplicty, quiet, gentleness, oiliness, warmth, moisture, REPETITION, are some of the keywords. The reason quiet repetition is so important is when air and space elements are dominant, ungroundedness is part of the experience, to some degree or another. Disconnectedness also. Between repetitive, warm and oilyness alone, we support the remembering of the mothers' body to come back to Earth, perhaps literally. The Native Americans' have a saying, I'm told, that when a mother brings a soul into the planet, her senses have gone way out into the universe to guide all the best pieces in for this little one through her. What Mom needs help with, they say, is grounding: Earth, Water, and Fire elements, and that means also tending to the waist and down parts of the physical body and energy systems. All the rest falls into place naturally from that, because a mother's heart is wide open, bonded in love with her baby, and that guides her physiology to restructure in direction of greatest ability to serve. I'd also like to share the experience of a woman I did 5 week's care for in Chicago with her first baby, and who had two of my graduates care for her 5 weeks and then another 2 weeks after her second, 2 years later. ACtually, note the last two weeks was with a woman who has not completed all her training, although she has assisted me with a number of clients and knows the massage well. The other AyurDoula has been practicing for a number of years on and off, and also maintains her massage practice with many other clients. She has not come back for any refresher, but we are discussing her becoming a trainer also and it will be required. This client reported to me at the end about the student's work and in the process, shared she enjoyed her massage much more than with the more experienced AyurDoula (with her second baby). Not that she didin't enjoy the massage, it was very professional, very good massage, not too deep, etc. But the client had experienced this sandwiched between two of us doing the " official " type postpartum ayurvedic massage, and described her experience as missing certain elements of calming, soothing repetition, careful attentance to warmth, simplicity, and basically, results. The primary AyurDoula recieved kudos for her ayurvedic cooking skills and did well with the baby and other little one, by the way. But the difference was distinctive enough to this client that when she referred her to another expectant friend, she carefully explained the difference and exhorted her to define her job around such factors also. B - it feels stressful for my body as well as somewhat tedious. M - Beeara, it means the massage is not being done correctly, either in terms of your body management of it, and in terms of the mindset/purpose/understanding of the significance of the simplicity. It can structure for you an effortless rhythmic and soothing experience, including a time for " letting go " and not having to think about much at all once the massage is learned. THis is also part of the supportive vibration/transfer valued by not only postpartum, but elders, chemo patients, and others in a fragile state. THis massage is excellent for many. B - I have played with it a bit with a postpartum mom and encorporated much into my own form but honestly, I'm not sure whether I would be willing to stay true to the form as presented. M - Perhaps with a better preparation, it will become more natural for you. The value of doing it just as learned, as I said, is more about learning the NATURE of the fine points and the needed care, AND creating a service people can count on with the term, AyurDoula. Everyone has their own something they bring to it, but personality or variety is not part of what is needed here except in your personal nurturing ways for loving appropriate touch, " bedside manner " etc. B - Then, I am struggling to get a postpartum doula practice going in this small city that is so void of postpartum doulas much less ayervedic doulas. After having trained with DONA, I'm thinking it might be easier to be simpler about what I offer at least to get going with my practice. M - Each of us has to find who we work best with, and generate a word of mouth referral network especially, based upon how much moms like your work. It will be easier to connect with the midwives, CBEs, Docs, etc from that point of practice, particularly until you have completed the AyurDoula practice you should not call yourself an AyurDoula or represent Ayurveda except as a student; that is what certification is about, in addition to demonstrated proficiencies. Remember that massage therapists are required to practice out of class on 50 clients for free as part of their practicum for a 600 hour training; we have to have some requirements too! B - But, DONA presents an obstacle as well. According to their bylaws, doulas are not supposed to make dietary recommendations since we aren't nutritionists and doing so isn't part of the job description. If I want to certifiy with DONA it seems I would have my hands tied trying to present Ayervedic principles. M - As a certified DONA pp doula, this is the case, but once you have taken advanced certification as an AyurDoula, we have different job descriptions. As a student of Ayurveda/doula care, you must make that clear with a client and get their permission to practice with them your skills. WHen you begin this, you must be in timely communication by phone with your internship preceptor about what the client said, what you said, and then learn what we would say and relay that to the client. Even if you think you knew the answer and it was a simple one, you call and communicate with me about what you are doing. So, we have, like other trainings, a registration fee, lots of documentation on both sides, lots of faculty as well as student time engaged in the learning process, tests, homework between classes(much of which in this case doubles as some of the internship requirements)and other requirements. B - I am also feeling a bit in a void around the Ayurvedic perspective.Thanks so much for the website that keeps me with at least a toe in the water, M - not sure how much of this concern is about understanding the ayurvedic perspecitive, but it seems to me it is a big part based on your other questions it indicates insufficient foudational understanding. You do not have the AFNMICC unit, do you? B - but I'm feeling the challenge of not having herbs at easy access and practitioners to consult with. M - Herbs are easily available most all now certified organic ayurvedic herbs from www.banyanbotanicals.com with practitioner discount for AyurDoulas, other ayurvedic practitioners, possibly LMTs also. Before you know how to use these yourself, the consulting practitioners are very important. See www.sacredwindow.com/resources.html for a listing of many, by no means comprehensive. Phone consults have been very useful to me for clients beyond my skill/training level, and to practicing ayurvedeic physicians, this is not a problem. The level 2 postpartum consulting unit is packed with some of the info you seek, I'm sure, also. B - So, I'm hoping this doesn't sound complainy. My intent in sharing with you is two-fold. One, I believe you are deserving of the respect of being updated since we have proceeded at least a bit together. Two, perhaps you have some perspective that you'd be willing to share that would help me to clarify how to proceed. Now, I know you are quite busy and already have been pouring out much wisdom to many deserving women. If it takes you time to get to this, I perfectly understand. M - Again, thank you for taking the time to outline clearly your concerns and respect the work enough to stop and ask. I do know this. That I still believe that the Ayurvedic approach has great merits to offer perinatal women. I know it would be something that would fortify my practice. Perhaps it's more a matter of when I go on with its study not whether. M - I look forward to hearing your response. Certainly I would not have taken this time otherwise, but I expect others will benefit also, and I hope this has answered your questions in a way that brings more clarity and of course, renewed interest. Thank you for your time, Beeara Namaste! Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 wow, I am so impressed with both the honesty of Beeara's questions and the thoroughness of Ysha's responses. This was a very important discussion. Beeara's questions were those of many, I am sure. And it would be difficult for Ysha to explain as completely as necessary the importance of this work and the comparison of ayurdoula work and DONA teachings. Personally I have practiced as a postpartum doula through the NAPCS, CAPPA and have taught postpartum doula trainings through CAPPA. I have been a member of DONA for years. Frankly I have found that being certified was never important to my clients; my experience weighed heavier. Clients don't really know or care about the difference between the certifying organizations. Word of mouth is even a bigger consideration to them. After hearing about all the things Ayurdoulas do, I have come to realize that I have been doing a very superficial job for new moms, even as a lactation consultant. I think the ideal would be to be an ayurdoula, but to know the teachings of the conventional organizations, especially regarding ethics, marketing, and basic job description. Both the major organizations are learning as they go, and going by the seat of their pants. I can say this having been an experienced doula before they were even formed as postpartum doula certifiers. But Ayurdoulas are so thoroughly trained in health treatments as old as history, and with a knowledge of postpartum women and humans in general that is deeper than allopathic medicine by far. cappa and dona have no clue. I say the difficulty in learning this art is worth the time and trouble and effort to understand and apply it. Ysha is totally invaluable, not only for her extensive knowledge but her willingness to share all she knows with all sincere doulas wanting to learn. This is a great start. Every time I read Ysha's knowledge, I wish i were a newly delivered mother under her care, and I believe the whole world of mothers would feel the same if they only knew what they could have. It will take time for word to get out about ayurdoulas, it seems wise to be in on the ground floor and one day you will be the veterans, the old hands at this. I wish I wasn't nearly 60, tired, and too poor to continue my education in the ayurvedic direction. But you young women have the opportunity and a gem in Ysha and other teachers emerging now. Vicky York Postpartum Care Services Portland, OR - " Martha Oakes " <martha <ayurveda > Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:19 PM Training discussion with BEEARA > At Beeara's ok, I'd like to address this question for others to hear > my responses (interleaved). THis is a long one - Martha > > Dear Beeara; > These are very natural questions which come often from those jumping > into the middle of the training without the foundational classes; no > offense of course here. It is something that has taken me much time > to learn, and when you found Sonya and asked her to teach her the > mothers' massage, given all of your background, it was the kind of > thing I used to do. > > AyurDoula care is about so much more than the mother's warm oil home > spa care, as we are calling it now, which includes the " massage " or > abhyanga - repetitive application of warm oil, heat applications, > rest, and long soak in the bath as soon as allowed. THis is one > element of the care, among 10 or 12, and definitely the best paying > for the doula and one of the three most important for avoiding common > problems of colic, depression, lactation, constipation, etc and > enhancing rapid rejuvenation, bonding, and all the other benefits. > > Now, all the schools I'm teaching with are requiring a commitment to > the entire program! Minimum 120 hours, with a trend to require 200 > hours so that it meets the NAMA ayurvedic minimum training for > national certification in any ayurvedic practice. > > Martha, hello, > First of all I want to say that I've been following the preinatal > listserve and am so appreciating your generosity with all the wisdom > you are sharing with all of us. Thank you. > > M - Most welcome. And I'm really delighted at the honesty and > openness with which you bring your questions out, Beeara. > > B - I'm wanting to let you know that I'm a bit stymied about whether > (or when?) to continue my Ayerdoula training. A few factors are > presenting themselves as obstacles and I'm needing to let things > unfold and gain more clarity before I proceed. > > M - So this is healthy natural unfoldment; listening in to yourself, > something is missing, and asking. You honor the learning process by > asking! These are very good questions illustrating a few of the very > significant differences between western allopathic, massage, and the > western models of postpartum care and ayurvedic postpartum care. > > B - First of all, I did some massage training with Sonya back in > September. I think she did a great job of training and it seemed that > I picked up the form quite well. > > M - > Yes, she spend was it one day with you, how many practices did you do > under her guidance? I find my students need 2 days, both doing and > receiving a total of at least 3 times guided in addition to observing > and discussing, then a number of practices after that. Part of the > attention to detail definitely is to create a standard so clients can > expect a certain type and quality of massage, even with fine points of > attention, among AyurDoulas in the same area and nationally. > > B - And yet, I realized I'm not so sure that I could embrace the form. > It is so repetitive and so much the same again and again > > When I work on a mother, because of things we study at some length in > the foudational theoretical class, my heart and attention is on a very > universal sort of approach, in some ways not very personal for her or > me once she closes her eyes and surrenders to her massage experience > and need to rest and rejuvenate. Because of her total state of > openness to deliver the baby in whatever way transpired, she needs no > music, nothing except warmth, soothing oily repetitive reminders and > gentle physical not energy work or deep dig support to move the waste > products thru the body channels thru lymph, muscle, circulation, > colon, etc. She quickly sinks very deeply, and the intent is to > myself drop out of her awareness and facilitate her deepest mind-body > awareness to be brought back up thru the layers of her physiology in a > renewed integration and groundedness. Her psyche is very surrendered > (all this even though of course there are differences), personality is > not so much an issue as at other times of her life. Another value of > the repetition is to strengthen her psychophysiological appreciation > of how rewarding simple repetition can be in her life, whether in > awareness and harmony with Ma Nature's daily/seasonal etc rhythms, or > and also as something she will be doing for years in many ways! > including hopefully, massaging her baby/growing child daily in these > ways. > > I also have found (again, no offense intended ) that massage > therapists are my most difficult students usually, as what they have > learned is so different it is firstly difficult to set it aside and > actually do what is being taught. I was not there, have no idea how > much was actually transferred for you. In any case, even embracing > very simple principles of the mothers care, they appreciate it > greatly, it makes a tremendous difference, and I am happy to hear you > are beginning to include it in your practice. > > I kept thinking, offer the training in modules. Students can take > what they are both interested in and can afford, as long as they are > already prequalified as doulas or midwives even experienced mothers > etc with good client manners and familiarity with the postpartum basic > care needs. I almost accepted two massage school offers to teach very > modified knowledge and very shortened versions of the massage. IT was > natural for Sonya to think similarly, and she already knows she will > be trainer in training for our next Colorado program. Those under > prepared with the knowledge students are not much staying with the > work, I find. They do not have the picture or the skills rounded out > right. > > You see, serving a postpartum client is very much about being an > ayurvedic mother to them, including words of explanation and many > seemingly little tips, much repetition yes. Do you remember from your > basic ayurvedic foundations some of the keywords which pacify VATA > dosha? Remember also that after childbirth all women are out of > balance with vata more than anything else, and this must be addressed. > Simplicty, quiet, gentleness, oiliness, warmth, moisture, REPETITION, > are some of the keywords. > > The reason quiet repetition is so important is when air and space > elements are dominant, ungroundedness is part of the experience, to > some degree or another. Disconnectedness also. Between repetitive, > warm and oilyness alone, we support the remembering of the mothers' > body to come back to Earth, perhaps literally. > > The Native Americans' have a saying, I'm told, that when a mother > brings a soul into the planet, her senses have gone way out into the > universe to guide all the best pieces in for this little one through > her. What Mom needs help with, they say, is grounding: Earth, Water, > and Fire elements, and that means also tending to the waist and down > parts of the physical body and energy systems. All the rest falls > into place naturally from that, because a mother's heart is wide open, > bonded in love with her baby, and that guides her physiology to > restructure in direction of greatest ability to serve. > > I'd also like to share the experience of a woman I did 5 week's care > for in Chicago with her first baby, and who had two of my graduates > care for her 5 weeks and then another 2 weeks after her second, 2 > years later. ACtually, note the last two weeks was with a woman who > has not completed all her training, although she has assisted me with > a number of clients and knows the massage well. The other AyurDoula > has been practicing for a number of years on and off, and also > maintains her massage practice with many other clients. She has not > come back for any refresher, but we are discussing her becoming a > trainer also and it will be required. > > This client reported to me at the end about the student's work and in > the process, shared she enjoyed her massage much more than with the > more experienced AyurDoula (with her second baby). Not that she > didin't enjoy the massage, it was very professional, very good > massage, not too deep, etc. But the client had experienced this > sandwiched between two of us doing the " official " type postpartum > ayurvedic massage, and described her experience as missing certain > elements of calming, soothing repetition, careful attentance to > warmth, simplicity, and basically, results. The primary AyurDoula > recieved kudos for her ayurvedic cooking skills and did well with the > baby and other little one, by the way. But the difference was > distinctive enough to this client that when she referred her to > another expectant friend, she carefully explained the difference and > exhorted her to define her job around such factors also. > > B - it feels stressful for my body as well as somewhat tedious. > > M - Beeara, it means the massage is not being done correctly, either > in terms of your body management of it, and in terms of the > mindset/purpose/understanding of the significance of the simplicity. > It can structure for you an effortless rhythmic and soothing > experience, including a time for " letting go " and not having to think > about much at all once the massage is learned. THis is also part of > the supportive vibration/transfer valued by not only postpartum, but > elders, chemo patients, and others in a fragile state. THis massage > is excellent for many. > > B - I have played with it a bit with a postpartum mom and encorporated > much into my own form but honestly, I'm not sure whether I would be > willing to stay true to the form as presented. > > M - Perhaps with a better preparation, it will become more natural for > you. The value of doing it just as learned, as I said, is more about > learning the NATURE of the fine points and the needed care, AND > creating a service people can count on with the term, AyurDoula. > Everyone has their own something they bring to it, but personality or > variety is not part of what is needed here except in your personal > nurturing ways for loving appropriate touch, " bedside manner " etc. > > B - Then, I am struggling to get a postpartum doula practice going in > this small city that is so void of postpartum doulas much less > ayervedic doulas. After having trained with DONA, I'm thinking it > might be easier to be simpler about what I offer at least to get going > with my practice. > > M - Each of us has to find who we work best with, and generate a word > of mouth referral network especially, based upon how much moms like > your work. It will be easier to connect with the midwives, CBEs, > Docs, etc from that point of practice, particularly until you have > completed the AyurDoula practice you should not call yourself an > AyurDoula or represent Ayurveda except as a student; that is what > certification is about, in addition to demonstrated proficiencies. > Remember that massage therapists are required to practice out of class > on 50 clients for free as part of their practicum for a 600 hour > training; we have to have some requirements too! > > B - But, DONA presents an obstacle as well. According to their > bylaws, doulas are not supposed to make dietary recommendations since > we aren't nutritionists and doing so isn't part of the job > description. If I want to certifiy with DONA it seems I would have my > hands tied trying to present Ayervedic principles. > > M - As a certified DONA pp doula, this is the case, but once you have > taken advanced certification as an AyurDoula, we have different job > descriptions. As a student of Ayurveda/doula care, you must make that > clear with a client and get their permission to practice with them > your skills. WHen you begin this, you must be in timely communication > by phone with your internship preceptor about what the client said, > what you said, and then learn what we would say and relay that to the > client. Even if you think you knew the answer and it was a simple > one, you call and communicate with me about what you are doing. So, > we have, like other trainings, a registration fee, lots of > documentation on both sides, lots of faculty as well as student time > engaged in the learning process, tests, homework between classes(much > of which in this case doubles as some of the internship > requirements)and other requirements. > > B - I am also feeling a bit in a void around the Ayurvedic > perspective.Thanks so much for the website that keeps me with at least > a toe in the water, > > M - not sure how much of this concern is about understanding the > ayurvedic perspecitive, but it seems to me it is a big part based on > your other questions it indicates insufficient foudational > understanding. You do not have the AFNMICC unit, do you? > > B - but I'm feeling the challenge of not having herbs at easy access > and practitioners to consult with. > > M - Herbs are easily available most all now certified organic > ayurvedic herbs from www.banyanbotanicals.com with practitioner > discount for AyurDoulas, other ayurvedic practitioners, possibly LMTs > also. Before you know how to use these yourself, the consulting > practitioners are very important. See > www.sacredwindow.com/resources.html for a listing of many, by no means > comprehensive. Phone consults have been very useful to me for clients > beyond my skill/training level, and to practicing ayurvedeic > physicians, this is not a problem. > > The level 2 postpartum consulting unit is packed with some of the info > you seek, I'm sure, also. > > B - So, I'm hoping this doesn't sound complainy. My intent in sharing > with you is two-fold. One, I believe you are deserving of the respect > of being updated since we have proceeded at least a bit together. Two, > perhaps you have some perspective that you'd be willing to share that > would help me to clarify how to proceed. Now, I know you are quite > busy and already have been pouring out much wisdom to many deserving > women. If it takes you time to get to this, I perfectly understand. > > M - Again, thank you for taking the time to outline clearly your > concerns and respect the work enough to stop and ask. > > I do know this. That I still believe that the Ayurvedic approach has > great merits to offer perinatal women. I know it would be something > that would fortify my practice. Perhaps it's more a matter of when I > go on with its study not whether. > > M - I look forward to hearing your response. Certainly I would not > have taken this time otherwise, but I expect others will benefit also, > and I hope this has answered your questions in a way that brings more > clarity and of course, renewed interest. > > Thank you for your time, > > Beeara > > Namaste! > Martha > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Martha, Ysha and Vicki, Thanks for responding in such depth. I've been digesting your words for some days and you know, you did reinspire me. I look forward to continuing my study with the Ayurdoula training and will contact you directly to reengage the conversation around specifics. I do know that if you are teaching a training in Boulder in May at this point I won't be able to make it because I have a doula client. That's a good thing though certainly I'd like to study with you sooner than later. And I actually signed up another client for mid summer. I'm seeing that Vicky's advice is also true -- word of mouth will probably be the strongest advertisement. Right now, I've been putting out a lot of energy around marketing -- more in the planning stages than much real implementation -- but things are already beginning to roll. Makes me gain more faith in the power of intention. To answer a couple of your questions, my training with Sonya was over the course of a couple of days, but not full days. I received a session and then I observed a session and then I gave a session. Certainly it wasn't as extensive as what you said you usually require of people. My intention based on our conversation was that I would be supplementing that with your video. Hopefully that will provide me with some of what is missing around body mechanics so that the process is more comfortable for me. You may have already revised the requirements since my sharing what I have. You do not have the AFNMICC unit, do you? I'm not sure that I do -- not sure what those initials stand for. All that I have at this point is the Foundational Ayurveda 1a & b. I've also done a fair amount of self study and have done a good deal of ayurvedic cooking. I wasn't quite sure what you ment about the phone consults -- see what you wrote below. Could you just explain that a bit more. See > www.sacredwindow.com/resources.html for a listing of many, by no means > comprehensive. Phone consults have been very useful to me for clients > beyond my skill/training level, and to practicing ayurvedeic > physicians, this is not a problem. > The level 2 postpartum consulting unit is packed with some of the info > you seek, I'm sure, also. I'm realizing in hearing your response that it would indeed be helpful info that I look forward to learning. Hopefully I will be able to do that sooner than later. And Vicky, your words were helpful in this process as well. Thanks so much for sharing. I look forward to meeting you, Beeara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Dear Beeara; We will find a way, eh? Vicki wants me to teach in Eugene ... August is a possibility if you all make it easy as I'll be coming up there to be with my mother again. So glad to hear your positive response! THe video is not yet redone, still on a high priority stack. Thanks for reminding me of our plan - we will see from your feedback how useful it is. > > You do not have the AFNMICC unit, do you? So we will talk again soon how you want to do it. > > I wasn't quite sure what you ment about the phone consults -- see what you wrote below. Could you just explain that a bit more. > > www.sacredwindow.com/resources.html for a listing of many, Much can be assessed and accomplished effectively with a phone consult with an experience practicing ayurvedic physician. > Yes, Vicky's words are a great gift to us all! Warm Regards; Martha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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