children with coughs and cold wet weather?

[Guest guest]

Dear Rebecca;

So sorry I didn't check in before .... and I'm going to be mostly

offline from 19 - 12 Jan taking care of my own mother. For your

family, hopefully symptoms are easing anyway. But great results using

the Thieves blend on children, yes. Just for just in case sake, I

have to recommend always dilute with maybe 2 drops

carrier/massage/veggie oil to 1 drop of the essential oil when it is a

strong one like that. Babies - newborns you can often just take a

drop in your palm, rub together till absorbed, then hold your hands

next to aby's skin and it radiates/gets absorbed. But your baby is

older than that.

 

With chronic reinfection I'd be using this blend for primary support,

4X daily on feet, and maybe the melaleuca or a eucalyptus/blend on

chest. Alternate applications chest and feet with which oil I use

where, but 4X daily when we are in the thick of it, for a couple days

after all symptoms are gone or minimum 5 - 7 days. Just like with

allopathic antibiotics,

 

Diffusing next to bedside is good, and in the house to combat the

airborne transfer. But for really fighting it off, topical or

internal (adult, children can take mixed in honey) with appropriate

dosage and regularity, like any herb or other medicinal support.

 

The oils I'd favor with wet cough something helpful as an expectorant

like the eucalyptuses, ginger, or sage; these are also drying, like

the Thieves. The thieves blend, ginger, and by some accounts sage oil,

are all warming, something else you need now as you say. Yes of

course melaleuca is good but not respiratory or phlegm specific; its

virtues are antimicrobial; All eoils, topical use only if organic.

Please see www.sacredwindow.com/EO-basics.html for other

caveats/safety factors.

 

Of course, these Thieves blend plant sources are also the herbal forms

used by mothers and grandmothers around the world for similar

purposes; the essential oils are more potent, not having deyhdrated

off in the drying process of herb preparation.

 

Ayurveda also offers things like sitopoladi churna, containg soothing

to irritated mucosa marshmallow root alongside pippali which is

expectorant, cardamom gently so as well as pranic support, licorice

which liquifies phlegm but cools and possibly other ingredients;

commonly taken mixed in honey after meals for gentle expectorant/cold

support for children especially.

 

AT this stage for my children before I had eoils and even still I'll

recommend either turmeric/cardamom in honey paste, or more warming and

agni/expectorant in action, some version of the also well known

ayurvedic formula trikatu. Turmeric is not so heating, both bitter

and pungent tastes, some astringent. It is very ddrying and

immunomodulating.

 

Trikatu is more respiratory specific as well as the below factors.

Children's version of trikatu is equal parts cinnamon, cardamom and

ginger. Adult version is equal parts pippali, black pepper or clove

and ginger, something like that, three strong pungents. Mix some in

enough honey for paste, take by teaspoonful for adult or much less for

the little ones.

 

After meals more for digestion/less ama/phlegm, before meals 15 - 30

minutes more for good agni/appetite. Take before meals for lower half

of the body, after for upper. So you can add licorice, or whatever

else you have/feel is appropriate to balance the energetics and target

area/function.

 

I'm surprised your son LIKES the extreme bitters of mahasudarshan! He

must feel strongly the need for the strong bitters which are dring but

very cold here; most likely as they are cooling, he will do better

with added clove/ginger - you are giving in honey linctus? Just

cardamom/ginger tea helps with phlegm, warmth and nausea. Added honey

at serving temp similarly. Honey of course - not only reduces phlegm

(and weight, like these strong bitters and pungents also) usually, but

acts like alchohol or other quick digested substances as a carrier to

deliver the herbs deeper more quickly; it is not just the spoonful of

sugar to make the medicine go down, as Mary Poppins described it!

 

If it were me, I'd be taking thieves in capsules internally, about 6 -

10 drops at a time, with meals until I know I'm handling it fine.

Most stomachs are well prepared for much stronger things than this,

just doin't take it in water without a cap or a honey linctus to get

it down to stomach. For other readers,the blend consists of warming

-pungent and drying highly tested antimicrobial broad spectrum effects

from cinnamon, clove, rosemary, lemon, and other plants. for some of

the research, see www.secretofthieves.com, but maybe you could

consider ordering thru Rebecca here.)

 

First thing is get rid of the invading organism, then you can give

more attention to the other balancing influences, but gift of Ayurveda

and Ma Nature's abundance of herbal choices is the ability often to

some of this at the same time. Your children will certainly be

craving more nutrion and rebuild after this experience. And yes, you

can use garlic milk if you feel the need to offer

soothing/emollient/nutrition at the same time. Good for sleep too.

Good for breast and lung cancer too, this recipe, ladies and

gentlemen, according to Dr. Vasant Lad and my own experience.

 

You have the recipe? 1/4 cup water, 1 clove chopped garlic, boil the

water mostly off, add 1 cup skim milk, 1/4 - 1/2 in this case tsp

turmeric, and a couple pinches cardamom. Bring back to boil and take

warm. Dr. Mishra I've just learned advises to bring milk to boil as a

general rule 3 times. Doing it I notice it does not climb the pot the

third time, and there is less " skin at the top " .

 

Yes on soups, and for the kapha growing time of life and winter

conditions as more concentrated nutrition is needed, I'd favor warm

thinned nut butters especially tahini in non-dairy milks, sauces, etc,

more warm/dry grains like quinoa, millet, corn, buckwheat (nix on the

gluten ones for now, including cooling oats and barley) with soothing

amounts of sesame oil instead of butter and ample seasonings, garlic,

lemon (sour) and some salt (loosen phlegm also). Crackers, potatoes,

dry things perhaps. Stewed apples. If htey like it, pink grapefruit

with honey is great also for phlegm. I once got really sick while

nursing my crawling baby and was well advised to fast on tahini milk -

big tablespoon in cup hot water with honey, cardamom, ginger, nutmeg

maybe, optional tsp lecithin. Worked great, kept my milk supply and

energy up. The maple-syrup lemonaide (fresh lemon, cayenne, maple

syrup, lemon peel, water) has its place but not for growing youngsters

or nursing moms as a solo item. Note the limon and cayenne are

warming, maple some cooling influence but overall warm and phlegm

reducing.

 

REbecca dear, I hope this comes in time to be of use.

Love,

Martha

[Guest guest]

Martha,

I meant to thank you for this info. it came at the tail end of everything but

nonetheless, I tried the childrens trikatu, had an interesting response.......

My 3 yr old was running around like a nut all morning, then I gave him a 1/4

tsp of the trikatu and he sat down and didn't say a peep for almost an hour! I

gave it to him before he had really eaten much that morning....anyway it was

interesting, I thought I'd remember that for a rainy day, lol.

Anyway thanks again, I printed it and highlighted every thing, great reminders

and info.

Love

Rebecca

 

Martha Oakes <martha wrote:

Dear Rebecca;

So sorry I didn't check in before .... and I'm going to be mostly

offline from 19 - 12 Jan taking care of my own mother. For your

family, hopefully symptoms are easing anyway. But great results using

the Thieves blend on children, yes. Just for just in case sake, I

have to recommend always dilute with maybe 2 drops

carrier/massage/veggie oil to 1 drop of the essential oil when it is a

strong one like that. Babies - newborns you can often just take a

drop in your palm, rub together till absorbed, then hold your hands

next to aby's skin and it radiates/gets absorbed. But your baby is

older than that.

 

With chronic reinfection I'd be using this blend for primary support,

4X daily on feet, and maybe the melaleuca or a eucalyptus/blend on

chest. Alternate applications chest and feet with which oil I use

where, but 4X daily when we are in the thick of it, for a couple days

after all symptoms are gone or minimum 5 - 7 days. Just like with

allopathic antibiotics,

 

Diffusing next to bedside is good, and in the house to combat the

airborne transfer. But for really fighting it off, topical or

internal (adult, children can take mixed in honey) with appropriate

dosage and regularity, like any herb or other medicinal support.

 

The oils I'd favor with wet cough something helpful as an expectorant

like the eucalyptuses, ginger, or sage; these are also drying, like

the Thieves. The thieves blend, ginger, and by some accounts sage oil,

are all warming, something else you need now as you say. Yes of

course melaleuca is good but not respiratory or phlegm specific; its

virtues are antimicrobial; All eoils, topical use only if organic.

Please see www.sacredwindow.com/EO-basics.html for other

caveats/safety factors.

 

Of course, these Thieves blend plant sources are also the herbal forms

used by mothers and grandmothers around the world for similar

purposes; the essential oils are more potent, not having deyhdrated

off in the drying process of herb preparation.

 

Ayurveda also offers things like sitopoladi churna, containg soothing

to irritated mucosa marshmallow root alongside pippali which is

expectorant, cardamom gently so as well as pranic support, licorice

which liquifies phlegm but cools and possibly other ingredients;

commonly taken mixed in honey after meals for gentle expectorant/cold

support for children especially.

 

AT this stage for my children before I had eoils and even still I'll

recommend either turmeric/cardamom in honey paste, or more warming and

agni/expectorant in action, some version of the also well known

ayurvedic formula trikatu. Turmeric is not so heating, both bitter

and pungent tastes, some astringent. It is very ddrying and

immunomodulating.

 

Trikatu is more respiratory specific as well as the below factors.

Children's version of trikatu is equal parts cinnamon, cardamom and

ginger. Adult version is equal parts pippali, black pepper or clove

and ginger, something like that, three strong pungents. Mix some in

enough honey for paste, take by teaspoonful for adult or much less for

the little ones.

 

After meals more for digestion/less ama/phlegm, before meals 15 - 30

minutes more for good agni/appetite. Take before meals for lower half

of the body, after for upper. So you can add licorice, or whatever

else you have/feel is appropriate to balance the energetics and target

area/function.

 

I'm surprised your son LIKES the extreme bitters of mahasudarshan! He

must feel strongly the need for the strong bitters which are dring but

very cold here; most likely as they are cooling, he will do better

with added clove/ginger - you are giving in honey linctus? Just

cardamom/ginger tea helps with phlegm, warmth and nausea. Added honey

at serving temp similarly. Honey of course - not only reduces phlegm

(and weight, like these strong bitters and pungents also) usually, but

acts like alchohol or other quick digested substances as a carrier to

deliver the herbs deeper more quickly; it is not just the spoonful of

sugar to make the medicine go down, as Mary Poppins described it!

 

If it were me, I'd be taking thieves in capsules internally, about 6 -

10 drops at a time, with meals until I know I'm handling it fine.

Most stomachs are well prepared for much stronger things than this,

just doin't take it in water without a cap or a honey linctus to get

it down to stomach. For other readers,the blend consists of warming

-pungent and drying highly tested antimicrobial broad spectrum effects

from cinnamon, clove, rosemary, lemon, and other plants. for some of

the research, see www.secretofthieves.com, but maybe you could

consider ordering thru Rebecca here.)

 

First thing is get rid of the invading organism, then you can give

more attention to the other balancing influences, but gift of Ayurveda

and Ma Nature's abundance of herbal choices is the ability often to

some of this at the same time. Your children will certainly be

craving more nutrion and rebuild after this experience. And yes, you

can use garlic milk if you feel the need to offer

soothing/emollient/nutrition at the same time. Good for sleep too.

Good for breast and lung cancer too, this recipe, ladies and

gentlemen, according to Dr. Vasant Lad and my own experience.

 

You have the recipe? 1/4 cup water, 1 clove chopped garlic, boil the

water mostly off, add 1 cup skim milk, 1/4 - 1/2 in this case tsp

turmeric, and a couple pinches cardamom. Bring back to boil and take

warm. Dr. Mishra I've just learned advises to bring milk to boil as a

general rule 3 times. Doing it I notice it does not climb the pot the

third time, and there is less " skin at the top " .

 

Yes on soups, and for the kapha growing time of life and winter

conditions as more concentrated nutrition is needed, I'd favor warm

thinned nut butters especially tahini in non-dairy milks, sauces, etc,

more warm/dry grains like quinoa, millet, corn, buckwheat (nix on the

gluten ones for now, including cooling oats and barley) with soothing

amounts of sesame oil instead of butter and ample seasonings, garlic,

lemon (sour) and some salt (loosen phlegm also). Crackers, potatoes,

dry things perhaps. Stewed apples. If htey like it, pink grapefruit

with honey is great also for phlegm. I once got really sick while

nursing my crawling baby and was well advised to fast on tahini milk -

big tablespoon in cup hot water with honey, cardamom, ginger, nutmeg

maybe, optional tsp lecithin. Worked great, kept my milk supply and

energy up. The maple-syrup lemonaide (fresh lemon, cayenne, maple

syrup, lemon peel, water) has its place but not for growing youngsters

or nursing moms as a solo item. Note the limon and cayenne are

warming, maple some cooling influence but overall warm and phlegm

reducing.

 

REbecca dear, I hope this comes in time to be of use.

Love,

Martha

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear REbecca;

Glad you had some good response at least, and undoubtedly such

things will come up again! Aiden's (sp?) response is actually an

interesting analysis, because Trikatu is not sedative. So my

thoughts in understanding here go this way:

 

1. This combination of herbs is very agni increasing; ie, it

really sharply increases the digestive and energetic fires, taking

the awareness very quickly inward not in a calming way, but for him,

in a very integrating way.

 

2. It energizes the internal processes, in a way we can often

perceive cleaning up the phlegm sticky clogged feeling/process. Ie,

making us feel more at home inside.

 

3. The internalization must have been fascinating for him - kinda

yummy tasting in the honey paste, the pippali makes the tongue and

cells tingle and ignites agni (enzymes) on cellular as well as liver

and stomach level.

 

4. And obviuosly he no longer felt dominated by outer sensory, nor

by possible need to move around to distract himself from what was

uncomfortable inside, and perhaps also not needing to move a lot to

keep the circulation stimulated both for warmth and in the same way

exercise can help us to pump sluggish or clogged channels and feel

healthy faster.

 

5. Taking this before his breakfast made his experience more keen

and distinct, just like meditating, or yoga or prayer before eating

does.

 

Hope this helps to understand more how to use it! Your sharing

offers insights into its use which won't be offered in an ayurvedic

herbal class!

 

Most welcome!

Love, Martha

 

PS, best to delete most of the attached previous messge - we can all

look up to see what we may have forgotten.

 

> My 3 yr old was running around like a nut all morning, then I

gave him a 1/4 tsp of the trikatu and he sat down and didn't say a

peep for almost an hour!