welcome to preconception discussion

[Guest guest]

WE have two new members, and I'd like to warmly invite them to

introduce themselves and their interests. We have not yet talked

about preconception ayurvedic advice, but there is lots of it! #1

advice for fertility, and for best quality semen and ovum is 2 or

three seasons of panchakarma. If cost is prohibitive, there is a very

valuable home panchakarma protocol one of us can guide you through.

Warmly,

Martha

[Guest guest]

I'm not one of the new members you're inviting to introduce themselves, but

I'm interested in knowing more about preconception advice, as well as the

home panchakarma protocol. I'm also curious about what ayurveda would say

about Michel Odent's 'accordion method' to attempt to rid the body of excess

heavy metals and chemicals stored in the body's fatty tissues. He

recommends that women and their partners do this in the preconception period

as well. The accordion method consists of doing the lemonade fast (lemon

juice & maple syrup diluted with spring water and a pinch of cayenne) for

one weekend a month (Fri-Sun), adding a regimen of psyllium husks during the

fast to cleanse the intestines, and using steam rooms, saunas and moderately

heavy exercise throughout the fast to mobilize the fatty tissues and sweat

out the toxins. Any weight that is lost throughout the weekend should be

regained within the next three weeks before the next fasting weekend is

done, thus the " accordion " . The cycle is repeated for a total of six

months. He has done just a tiny bit of research on this and does not yet

have conclusive evidence on which to base his recommendations, so this isn't

something I'd be recommending to every client at this point, but I *am*

interested in how this might fit (or not) with ayurvedic principles.

 

Does panchakarma profess to cleanse the body of heavy metals and accumulated

toxic chemicals as well?

 

Curious and grateful,

Wendy

 

 

ayurveda

[ayurveda ] On Behalf Of Martha Oakes

Tuesday, November 29, 2005 7:39 PM

ayurveda

welcome to preconception discussion

 

 

WE have two new members, and I'd like to warmly invite them to

introduce themselves and their interests. We have not yet talked

about preconception ayurvedic advice, but there is lots of it! #1

advice for fertility, and for best quality semen and ovum is 2 or

three seasons of panchakarma. If cost is prohibitive, there is a very

valuable home panchakarma protocol one of us can guide you through.

Warmly,

Martha

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Wendy;

Forgive the delay ... and now it is rather late for good response,

I'll see what I can do at this hour while I drink my ayurvedic herb

tea .

 

Preconception ... let's take that discussion in pieces and by your

specific questions - re cleansing before conception now. Again,

Ayurveda recommends 2 - 3 seasons of panchakarma for best quality

semen and ovum before concieving. Dr. Odent's 6 month time period

sounds very wise, but I'd lean more on the PK, I'd make sure there

was a parasite check from a really good lab such as the Smokey

Mountain Lab or there are a few others/need physician or ARNP to

request. And then an gentle but minimum 6 week parasite cleanse if

needed, followed by further ayurvedic procedures because even with a

parasite cleanse such as Dr. Young's, very gentle as they go, they

increase vata quite a bit and deplete. Parasite herbs I have seen

are all strong bitter and strong pungents; that means strong on air

element, very drying and depleting/burning up toxins and creating

dieoff wastes as well. Much easier to do before pregnancy or once

you have a baby to deal with, and more safe as well than during those

4 trimesters.

 

Although I have not heard vaidyas speak of the " master cleanse "

lemonaide fast, I have a healthy respect for it. This accoridan

method makes some sense, but as so many of the toxins we want to

eliminate are stored in the fat tissue, the oleation aspect combined

witht massage, modified diet, steam and other heat, rectal

administrations and herbal teas all work together very gently and

deeply to cleanse any petrochemical based pollutants,

from " conventional " antideprssant and many other medications, to

shampoo/lotion/dishsoap/household cleaners and bug repellants to the

better known sources in pesticides. Panchakarma I beleive is more

valuable for that.

 

Dr. Odent's realization of need for deep cleansing taking months is

quite valid. Consider that from food to deepest tissue that's the

reproductive), our normal healthy digestive sequence takes 28 - 32

days. So quite a discussion can come of this concept alone, right?

I won't go there now.

 

For heavy metals - I would do a hair sample test for them first. I'm

not sure best (hydrous or lipid) cleansing method; I know that

mercury can be excreted in the urine. Does anyone have more heavy

metal usual elimination pathways/channels discussion?

 

Let's go to some version of chelation, such as 2 tsp cilantro juice

daily. Again, the ayurvedic approach to how the cilantro will be

used refines it by season and agni (digestive fire/enzyme strength)

and body type. Such as - cilantro is known to help chelate heavy

metals from the body, and is also very cooling (as can be effect of

mobilizing some of the heavy metals to come out into the blood

stream) thereby increasing vata. So, warm it up in a fresh

chutney/salsa, with fresh ginger and/or garlic, maybe some toasted

mustard seed and cumin, definitely some salt, a bit of honey goes

well, and lime or lemon juice. Lemon being warming and lime cooling,

honey warming light sugar cooling, like that we create our recipe

according to cold/warm weather, cold body type or warm.

 

Dr. Gary Young, aromatherapy master formulator and researcher, uses

both helichrysum oil and a blend he callse Juva cleanse (both very

expensive, but cheaper than chelation) in capsules internally. Using

the Juvacleanse alone 2 -3 capsules daily (I'd have to listen to my

cd on it again) and no other protocols on a small initial research

group he found urinary output dramatically increased over several

days and then leveling off. His assessment was that some tissues

including liver, lymph, blood and kidneys were being cleansed in this

step, and proposed another increase would show in several days as the

oil cleansed the (known levels of) mercury in these clients from

deeper tissues in a second phase. I have not followed up on that

study to tell the confirmation or not. But the results in mercury

level change tested was significant. This would be my course of

cleansing along with cilantro for metals.

 

I'm sure this " lemonaide " cleanse helps to some extent, and the

gentleness of Dr. Odent's accordian process makes some good sense.

Ayurveda does recommend a healthy regimen for all to the extent their

body type dictates - of skipping a meal a week or fasting a day a

week according to what works as a fast for you. Might be fresh

fruits, might be veg juice and broths, might be just milk or just

buttermilk lassi that day or meal, or for a few, it might be teas and

water fasting. So the lemonaide fast fits into that general

discussion ayurvedically, and if the faster is not too fragile, it

would be very healthy practice for anyone.

 

The home PK protocol - when my eyes aren't drooping I'll find it and

post it up int the files section tomorrow. Can also be found in Dr.

Vasant Lad's " Complete Book of Ayurvedic Home REmedies " wtih good

discussion, but it is wise to undertake only under some hand holding,

from a distance if nothing else.

 

The master cleanse ( " lemonade " ) recommends a salt water intake as

part of the longer version fast, and I know from personal experience

leaving it out messed up my body's ability to properly eliminate the

mobilized toxins (particularly, mucous in the colon is secreted and

holds toxins; the salw water loosens it). If the psyllium works to

keep the bowels moving it out, this is good, but for vata types, the

salt water might be wiser. Anything drying/which sucks moisture from

the body for vata types can be couterproductive.

 

One of those " new group members " has probably sent everyone an

advertisement about his homeopathic sales and the approach is not ok

with me. HOpefully the other will share her experessed concerns and

join us. Thank you Wendy for your questions, I hope this begins to

answer?

Namaste;

Martha

[Guest guest]

Martha, thank you so much for this thoughtful answer! I have read it over a

couple times and will probably have more questions for you when I can dig

into it even further. I just wanted to say THANK YOU for now!

 

:-)

Wendy

 

 

ayurveda

[ayurveda ] On Behalf Of Martha Oakes

Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:40 PM

ayurveda

Re: welcome to preconception discussion

 

 

Hi Wendy;

Forgive the delay ... and now it is rather late for good response,

I'll see what I can do at this hour while I drink my ayurvedic herb

tea .