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Hi Sonya;

Sometimes the green can be sign of infection of some sort, and

certainly you all should be on the alert for signs of fever, cough,

diarrhea, etc. Watery stool is in that direction. It does sound like

you are doing well with her on the foods, and those spices are very

appropriate usually.

 

But if her prakriti and/or vikruti are high on pitta also, sometimes

even the spinach and roasted garlic can increase. Perhaps favor just

the hing and fresh ginger, unless her she seems strongly in need of

the grounding and other benefits of the garlic. Her milk production

is good? We certainly have many tools for that in addition to the

garlic. Please report about your observations of her doshas including

personality. I would look to these things before reducing the extra

oleation, which we know from Ayurveda postpartum has special value and

function. But how much olive oil are you using, and are you cooking

with it? Best not to cook with it per Dr. Mercola/Sally Fallon.

Remember also that if she likes butter, it may suit as more familiar,

and it is even more cooling to pitta than ghee.

 

This is when I sometimes with a client call out Dr. Mein's body typing

as a cross check for key no no foods which are in Ayurveda go figure

items. I've seen some folks recommended to avoid asparagus, olive

oil, or zucchini, et all more than once a month. I've seen beets give

not only myself but clients and their babies runny stool, though that

is rare also. My attention went to the eggplant as a nightshade in

her case, but I have no explanation but intuition here. And, look

more closely each day it happens to what mom ate the last few meals,

along with her transit time. This is when the careful records of

daily assessment and results really show help to us figureing these

things out.

 

How many days postpartum is the baby?

 

Babies with strong pitta and vata in their constitution or vikruti by

my experience are more likely to be more easily over stimulated and

divited within themselves, not listening in, not nursing at a

comfortable pace, ingesting more air as well as ingesting more

nervousness and excitability in their tummy and rest of their

psychophysiology. Hence the nursing privately with mom's full quiet

attention recommendation first.

 

Let us know if these things help?

Love,

Martha

 

Martha Oakes

Wednesday, September 21, 2005 10:54 PM

Sonya

 

PItta, - most likely. Often refux self corrects when mom cools her

jets and also when she nurses in a private/quiet setting. Also press

against the breast when milk first lets down (briefly take baby off

breast) to slow the milk release and minimize air which can then come

bursting under the milk pushing it out with. Please share my comments

on the perinatal ayurveda, along with your assessment of how pitta may

be out of balance? Loose motions, remember, also are sign often of

pitta. Even lots of leafy greens in mom's diet can cause, possibly

also high fats of the postpartum diet (which ones using?) here at

juncture end pitta season when it is accumulated. Can you lean the

diet to still pacify vata but less on the pitta side? Beets, carrots,

spices, etc all are suspect for her.

 

MarthaSonya

'Martha Oakes'

Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:08 AM

RE: green stool and reflux

 

I have been using mostly ghee and olive oil. Maybe I am using too

much? She has been eating asparagus green beans spinach very little

beets and carrots, zucchini some eggplant. I started her on some

fresh cheeses and have been cooking with some coconut milk she loves

yams. I've, been using mostly cumin coriander ginger and some roasted

garlic. I was also thinking pitta provocation but feeling like I was

I was doing pretty well with the cooking part.

 

Sonya

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Sonya, if you would like my .02 cents worth: It doesn't matter at what color

the baby's stool is. A green stool now and then is no cause for worry in a

breastfed baby. Though sometimes if it is frequent, it can mean that the

baby is getting too much foremilk with the sugar, etc. and not enough

hindmilk which has the fat and calories. So make sure the baby stays at the

breast long enough on the first side before switching to the other side.

green poop usually a passing thing.

Re: reflux, it has become a catch word. But a good thing is keeping the

baby's head up and the back straight when burping and for half an hour after

the feeding. Don't let the baby sleep curled up in the car seat in the home.

This way, when the baby burps the milk doesn't come up with it. Burp her 5

minutes into the feeding and again between breasts. Vicky

 

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" Sonya " <sonya

<ayurveda >

Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:11 PM

RE: Digest Number 160

 

 

> Thank you Martha and Rebecca for your responses.

> My client is vata/pitta close to equal maybe a little more pitta. She is

> very even tempered. She has three other children in the house below 8. 1

> is in school every day. So I think that the baby gets lots of

stimulation.

>

> I don't doubt it may play a part in the reflux. She has plenty of milk,

> we just dealt with clogged ducts past week and now they are gone. When

the

> milk comes out I notice that the baby chokes and probably gets too much

air

> I did tell her to press across the breast to slow the flow. She is very

> religious about her herbs and drinks the fennel fenn tea daily close to

11/2

> to 2 qts. Maybe she should slow down on that? I was thinking would be

good

> for baby tummy. I am using olive oil very little but have used it mostly

to

> coat veggies or add to sauces. I am using ghee way more.

>

> I think it could be spinach as the culprit because the green poop happened

> one other time in the beginning I had made it. Baby is almost 3 weeks old

> now.

>

> Baby is pitta gets really worked up around 6 pm sleeps well at night and

> will go for about 4 hour stretch in the beginning. He was very big

> 9lbs13ozs. Mom is teeny 5'4 " very small bones. I don't know how she got

him

> out but she did-she is very determined. I am definitely going to use the

> recommendation of nursing in a quiet place. Maybe have the others do quiet

> activity while mom nurses. I am not there all day so I cant help her with

> watching other kids.

>

>

> Thanks again! Cant wait to see you!

> Sonya

>

> Sonya Bastow

> MettaDoula

> sonya

> 303.619.5326 cell

> 303.516.0959 home

>

>

> ayurveda

> [ayurveda ]

> Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:23 AM

> ayurveda

> Digest Number 160

>

>

> There are 3 messages in this issue.

>

> Topics in this digest:

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> 1.

> " Sonya " <sonya

> 2. green poops and reflux

> " Martha Oakes " <martha

> 3. Re:

> Rebecca Vann <star_seed111

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> ______________________

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> Message: 1

> Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:35:54 -0600

> " Sonya " <sonya

> Subject:

>

> Martha, or any one who would like to respond,

> Are green poops from a baby something to worry about? They are not

meconium

> poops for sure they are more watery. Also what can be done for reflux in

> baby? My client is following diet very well and is adhering to the

program.

> I told to hold baby at 45 degrees and not to lay baby down after feeding

and

> to make sure baby has at least 2 hours between feedings.

> Thanks Sonya

> Sonya Bastow

> MettaDoula

> sonya

> 303.619.5326 cell

> 303.516.0959 home

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Vicki;

This is of course such good practical advice. I didn't know about the

imbalance of fore/hind milk intake factors. If mom is continuing to

be overabundant, she may be switching breasts to relieve pressure

before Baby gets the hindmilk. And the link between pitta momma milk

(which would show up more in teh foremilk) and the green poop would be

more apparent too then.

 

With the AyurDoula approach, we do give attention to seemingly little

things like this, as it allows us to nip many problems in the bud

often. THis particular incidence, and occasional green poop in

general, may as you said, be not worth taking concern over. But then

it can also be sign of hidden things like mastitis or brewing

infection elsewhere, diarrhea et al. And the doshic balance of a

mother and baby already pitta is important to support, for best

comfort and developmental beginnings in both short and long run.

Warm REgards;

Martha

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Martha, I so treasure knowing you and having the benefit of ayurvedic ways,

you broaden my horizons when looking at my clients problems, though I don't

know enough about to it to apply it usually. But just knowing there is more

to consider.

I have noticed that babies get green poops once or twice in the first weeks,

and then, whatever it is, it is history. Unless she has an oversupply, like

you said, and continues giving the baby only foremilk. But that usually

results in a baby that gets lots of volume of milk but isn't gaining weight,

one who wants to drink a lot more often. That mom might want to look at what

she is doing tocreate the oversupply. Some have mistaken ideas about pumping

and create this problem. So much to consider and such interesting stuff, eh?

Vicky

 

 

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" Martha Oakes " <martha

<ayurveda >

Friday, September 23, 2005 9:39 AM

Re: green poops and reflux

 

 

> Hi Vicki;

> This is of course such good practical advice. I didn't know about the

> imbalance of fore/hind milk intake factors. If mom is continuing to

> be overabundant, she may be switching breasts to relieve pressure

> before Baby gets the hindmilk. And the link between pitta momma milk

> (which would show up more in teh foremilk) and the green poop would be

> more apparent too then.

>

> With the AyurDoula approach, we do give attention to seemingly little

> things like this, as it allows us to nip many problems in the bud

> often. THis particular incidence, and occasional green poop in

> general, may as you said, be not worth taking concern over. But then

> it can also be sign of hidden things like mastitis or brewing

> infection elsewhere, diarrhea et al. And the doshic balance of a

> mother and baby already pitta is important to support, for best

> comfort and developmental beginnings in both short and long run.

> Warm REgards;

> Martha

 

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-Yes! Thank you for being there and always ready to share. Your

experience is priceless; I hope the universe rewards you.

Love

 

Martha

 

So much to consider and such interesting stuff, eh?

> Vicky

>

>

> -

> " Martha Oakes " <martha@s...>

> <ayurveda >

> Friday, September 23, 2005 9:39 AM

> Re: green poops and reflux

>

>

> > Hi Vicki;

> > This is of course such good practical advice. I didn't know about the

> > imbalance of fore/hind milk intake factors. If mom is continuing to

> > be overabundant, she may be switching breasts to relieve pressure

> > before Baby gets the hindmilk. And the link between pitta momma milk

> > (which would show up more in teh foremilk) and the green poop would be

> > more apparent too then.

> >

> > With the AyurDoula approach, we do give attention to seemingly little

> > things like this, as it allows us to nip many problems in the bud

> > often. THis particular incidence, and occasional green poop in

> > general, may as you said, be not worth taking concern over. But then

> > it can also be sign of hidden things like mastitis or brewing

> > infection elsewhere, diarrhea et al. And the doshic balance of a

> > mother and baby already pitta is important to support, for best

> > comfort and developmental beginnings in both short and long run.

> > Warm REgards;

> > Martha

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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